tent-setup-msg - 9/30/08 ਀ഊHints for setting up tents and pavilions. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: tent-ps-msg, tent-care-msg, tent-floors-msg, pavilions-msg, p-tents-msg, p-tents-art, tent-making-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: Keradwc at cris.com (Kevin Connery) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Tent/Pavilion questions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀ 䴀愀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㜀㨀㌀㐀㨀㐀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䴀搀洀䴀愀氀椀挀攀㄀ 㰀洀搀洀洀愀氀椀挀攀㄀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>SThomas728 wrote: ਀㸀㸀䤀 愀洀 挀甀爀椀漀甀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 瀀愀瘀椀氀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀昀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 渀愀琀甀爀攀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀ഊ>>all my research and already know who I will buy from IF AND WHEN I DO. ਀㸀㸀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 爀甀戀⸀ഊ>>I need to know if it is worth it. ਀㸀ഊ>[snip] ਀㸀ഊ>Another consideration to take into account is just WHO will be putting up ਀㸀琀栀椀猀 瀀愀瘀椀氀椀漀渀 椀昀 礀漀甀 搀漀 搀攀挀椀搀攀 琀漀 瀀甀爀挀栀愀猀攀⼀洀愀欀攀 漀渀攀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀ഊ>yearned for one myself, however as I'm not with a household and frequently ਀㸀挀愀洀瀀 愀氀漀渀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 洀攀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 愀 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀 洀礀猀攀氀昀⸀  䈀甀琀ഊ>put it up by myself on the same night I arrived at site and stay sane? I ਀㸀搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀⸀ഊ ਀㐀㔀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀愀爀欀Ⰰ 琀漀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 愀 ㄀㔀⬀ 昀漀漀琀ഊround pavilion; 6' at the sides, 13' in the center. The first time. ਀ഊThat's without any of the tricks I recommend, because I hadn't finished ਀戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀⸀ 䤀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀㼀 ⠀䤀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 椀琀✀猀 搀漀眀渀 琀漀 氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 ㌀　ഊminutes now.) ਀ഊYou see, I've camped alone for about 10 of my 19 SCA years. ਀ഊKEY tricks: ਀ഊ Portable holes. Stakes which are pounded into the ground with a slot, hole, ਀     漀爀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 漀昀 愀琀琀愀挀栀椀渀最 愀渀 甀瀀爀椀最栀琀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 ഊ pole(s), you're free to set that up first. ਀  䴀攀愀猀甀爀椀渀最 爀漀瀀攀⸀ 䄀 爀漀瀀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀猀 欀渀漀琀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 昀爀漀洀 ഊ Center pole to side poles ਀    䌀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀 琀漀 最甀礀爀漀瀀攀 猀琀愀欀攀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀猀 ⠀漀爀 猀椀搀攀瀀漀氀攀 琀漀 最甀礀爀漀瀀攀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀ഊ that requires the side poles to be in place before the stakes are ਀       瀀氀愀渀琀攀搀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 眀漀爀欀⸀ഊ Side-pole to side-pole distance ਀  伀倀吀䤀伀一䄀䰀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 瘀攀爀礀 栀愀渀搀礀㨀 最爀漀甀渀搀 挀氀漀琀栀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 甀瀀爀椀最栀琀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀猀 洀愀爀欀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀圀椀琀栀 愀 昀攀眀 瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 栀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀甀挀栀 愀 洀攀愀猀甀爀椀渀最 搀攀瘀椀挀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀ഊto set up just about any *round* pavilion in 30 minutes or less, if you ਀愀爀攀 猀琀爀漀渀最 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 氀椀昀琀 琀栀攀 爀漀漀昀⸀ഊ ਀㄀⸀ 䌀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀 栀漀氀攀猀 猀攀琀 甀瀀⸀ 䤀昀 椀琀✀猀 愀 洀甀氀琀椀ⴀ瀀椀攀挀攀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 漀渀氀礀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊ 5-8' worth of it, and do the final roof-raising last. ਀㈀⸀ 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀 漀甀琀 猀椀搀攀 瀀漀氀攀 栀漀氀搀攀爀猀 ⠀椀昀 愀渀礀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀愀欀攀猀⸀ 瀀漀甀渀搀 猀琀愀欀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ put guyrope near each one. ਀㌀⸀ 倀甀琀 甀瀀 愀 猀椀搀攀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀琀琀愀挀栀 椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 最甀礀爀漀瀀攀⸀ 䐀漀渀✀琀 猀渀甀最 琀栀攀 爀漀瀀攀ഊ too tightly. ਀㐀⸀ 刀攀瀀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀椀搀攀猀⸀ ⠀䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 最漀 挀攀渀琀攀爀ⴀ氀攀昀琀ⴀ爀椀最栀琀ⴀ昀愀爀 氀攀昀琀ⴀ昀愀爀 爀椀最栀琀Ⰰഊ etc, alternating sides, as that seems to work well.) ਀㔀⸀ 䘀椀渀椀猀栀 氀椀昀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀搀樀甀猀琀 爀漀瀀攀猀 愀猀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀⸀ഊ6. Stake down the sides of the pavilion, or attach sides and stake them ਀   搀漀眀渀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀䈀礀 瀀氀愀渀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀琀愀欀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 瀀氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 猀琀攀瀀猀 ㌀Ⰰ㐀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 㔀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 攀愀猀礀Ⰰഊand can be done at your convenience, without having to have someone hold a ਀猀椀搀攀ⴀ瀀漀氀攀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀漀甀渀搀攀搀 椀渀⸀ 䈀礀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 猀琀甀爀搀礀 挀攀渀琀攀爀瀀漀氀攀ഊportable hole, you avoid having to anchor it temporarily with guyropes ਀⠀眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀搀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀椀洀攀⤀ 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 甀瀀⸀ 倀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 栀漀氀攀猀ഊfor side poles are merely a convenience, and can be skipped for most ਀搀攀猀椀最渀猀⸀ഊ ਀一漀琀攀㨀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 瀀爀攀猀甀洀攀猀 愀 猀礀洀洀攀琀爀椀挀 瀀愀瘀椀氀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 甀瀀爀椀最栀琀 猀椀搀攀猀⸀ഊInternal suspension designs are a different matter. ਀ഊNote also that more people DO make this work more easily, but aren't ਀最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 渀攀攀搀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀 戀攀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀椀渀愀氀 氀椀昀琀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀ഊpole and roof, IF the pavilion is large, the cover is heavy material, ਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 椀琀 甀瀀 椀猀渀✀琀 瘀攀爀礀 猀琀爀漀渀最⸀ 䈀甀琀 戀漀爀爀漀眀椀渀最 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀ഊfor 1-2 minutes isn't usually a problem. ਀ഊKeradwc ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀䰀䈀䄀一 愀琀 搀攀氀瀀栀椀⸀䌀伀䴀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 甀瀀 ⠀眀椀琀栀⤀ 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀ഊDate: 26 Jul 1997 02:17:32 -0400 ਀ഊSaewynn Silfrhrafn had said ਀㸀䄀渀礀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀挀漀甀爀琀攀猀礀 琀漀 戀椀琀挀栀 愀戀漀甀琀 洀礀ഊ>encampment not being "period" has just volunteered to design ਀㸀愀渀搀 戀甀椀氀搀 洀攀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 瀀愀瘀椀氀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 戀礀 洀礀猀攀氀昀⸀ഊ ਀⠀䴀愀砀 䠀愀椀最⤀ 爀攀瀀氀椀攀搀ഊ>>I didn't mean to "bitch" but I suppose it could be seen that ਀㸀眀愀礀⸀  䄀琀 愀渀礀 爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 漀欀Ⰰ 礀漀甀✀爀攀 漀渀⸀  吀爀礀 愀渀 愀爀洀椀渀最 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 ഊ>one center pole. Mine is at 14 feet tall, 8 sided and has 4 "high ਀㸀眀椀渀搀∀ 氀椀渀攀猀⸀  䤀 猀琀愀欀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 栀椀最栀 眀椀渀搀 氀椀渀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀猀攀爀琀 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀 ഊ>inside the tent and do a one man version of "The Raising of ਀㸀琀栀攀 䘀氀愀最 愀琀 䤀眀漀 䨀椀洀愀∀⸀  䤀 琀栀攀渀 猀琀愀欀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 㠀 猀椀搀攀 爀漀瀀攀猀 愀渀搀 ഊ>stake down the sides. I am frequently offered help to set it up ਀㸀戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀渀✀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀⸀  䤀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 礀漀甀爀 挀漀渀猀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 ഊ>several friends with "A" frames and they are a challange to set ਀㸀㸀甀瀀⸀  伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀挀椀搀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 䤀 洀愀搀攀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 挀栀漀猀攀 洀礀 琀攀渀琀 ഊ>was that I wanted to be able to set it up myself. ਀ഊ(Greg Lindahl) also replied: ਀㸀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 洀礀 䄀ⴀ昀爀愀洀攀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀 ഊ>raise the whole thing by myself. I usually have a bunch of ਀㸀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 漀昀昀攀爀椀渀最 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀Ⰰ 琀漀漀⸀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 眀栀愀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀Ⰰ 䴀愀砀✀猀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 爀愀椀猀椀渀最 愀 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀 ഊare the same for whatever type you're trying to put up. If it's a ਀漀渀攀ⴀ挀攀渀琀攀爀ⴀ瀀漀氀攀 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 搀漀 琀栀攀 栀椀最栀 眀椀渀搀 氀椀渀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 ഊpole, and then the side poles. ਀ഊIf it's a two-center-pole , with or without ridge pole, it's the high ਀眀椀渀搀 氀椀渀攀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀 ഊpoles. ਀ഊIf it's a Viking A-frame, it's the high wind lines, one end of the ਀䄀ⴀ昀爀愀洀攀 甀瀀爀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 攀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 猀琀愀欀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 ഊelse down. ਀ഊ(In essence: high wind lines, main uprights, subsidiary uprights. ਀吀栀攀 栀椀最栀 眀椀渀搀 氀椀渀攀猀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 甀瀀爀椀最栀琀⠀猀⤀ 昀爀漀洀 ഊcoming down on top of you, so stake them with a *bit* of slack, ਀戀甀琀 渀漀琀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀⸀ 夀漀甀 挀愀渀 琀椀最栀琀攀渀 琀栀攀洀 氀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 ഊtoo tight at first is a *Major Pain*.) ਀ഊI've had big tents for merchanting: the first big one was 15x20, ਀琀眀漀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ ㄀㈀㼀 ㄀㐀㼀 眀愀氀氀 瀀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 㤀 昀攀攀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀⸀ 䤀琀 ഊtook a while (oh, about a leisurely hour to an hour and a half), ਀戀甀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀椀搀Ⰰ 搀漀 椀琀 愀氀氀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 栀攀氀瀀⸀ ⠀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 漀渀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 ഊwhy I always arrive at Pennsic well-rested, early in the ਀愀昀琀攀爀渀漀漀渀㨀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀 最漀攀猀 甀瀀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀猀 猀攀琀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀攀搀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 ഊmade (and oh what a bed: queen-sized canopied Viking rope bed, ਀琀眀漀 昀甀琀漀渀猀 愀猀 洀愀琀琀爀攀猀猀攀猀⸀ ⸀ ⸀ ⤀ 眀攀氀氀 椀渀 琀椀洀攀 昀漀爀 愀 氀攀椀猀甀爀攀氀礀 搀椀渀渀攀爀Ⰰ 愀 ഊgrocery run, and enough time in the evening to unpack the ਀琀爀甀挀欀⸀⤀ഊ ਀伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 琀眀漀 漀爀 琀栀爀攀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀猀 䤀✀瘀攀 栀愀搀 栀攀氀瀀 ⠀琀栀愀渀欀猀Ⰰ ഊShauna, wherever you are!) - and I've had suitable bribes ready, ਀琀漀漀⸀ 匀甀最愀爀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀 猀氀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 挀栀漀挀漀氀愀琀攀Ⰰ 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 挀漀漀氀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀渀礀 ഊ"thank yous" will go a long way toward a fast and efficient tent raising. ਀ഊAnd then I can sit and relax in a nice, comfortable, roomy, cool, ਀搀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀攀氀椀最栀琀昀甀氀 琀攀渀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 ㄀㈀ 搀愀礀猀 漀爀 猀漀Ⰰ 甀渀琀椀氀 椀琀 愀氀氀 ഊcomes down. ਀ഊ(But then - Pennsic merchants are really, really urged to have ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀ⴀ氀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀攀渀琀猀㬀 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀渀 椀昀 眀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 琀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ ഊmost of us wouldn't anyway, because we need a hell of a lot ਀洀漀爀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀礀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 最漀漀搀猀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀 挀甀猀琀漀洀攀爀猀⸀ 䤀昀 䤀 ഊwere Just Another Camper, I'd be really tempted to go with the ਀氀愀爀最攀猀琀 琀攀渀琀 昀爀漀洀 匀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 猀琀愀渀搀 甀瀀 椀渀 ⴀ 愀猀 䤀 ഊindeed did my first three Pennsics, before I started merchanting ਀猀攀爀椀漀甀猀氀礀⸀ 䄀渀搀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 琀攀渀琀猀 愀爀攀 愀 洀愀爀瘀攀氀㨀 䤀 愀爀爀椀瘀攀搀 琀栀漀猀攀 ഊPennsics at 10:30 PM, and was completely set up, unpacked and ਀椀渀 戀攀搀 戀礀 ㄀㈀㨀㌀　 䄀䴀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䄀氀戀愀渀Ⰰ 眀栀漀猀攀 漀渀氀礀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀 爀攀洀愀椀渀椀渀最 琀愀猀欀猀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 ഊlinseed-oiling of a bookcase and two poles. (Well, packing, too, ਀戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 搀漀眀渀 琀漀 愀 搀甀氀氀 爀漀甀琀椀渀攀 戀礀 渀漀眀⸀⤀ 䤀✀洀 愀栀攀愀搀 漀昀 猀挀栀攀搀甀氀攀℀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Tigranes of Bezabde ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: putting up (with) pavillions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㌀㨀㌀㜀㨀㈀㜀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊ ਀䄀䰀䈀䄀一 愀琀 搀攀氀瀀栀椀⸀䌀伀䴀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 䘀爀漀洀 眀栀愀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀Ⰰ 䴀愀砀✀猀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 爀愀椀猀椀渀最 愀 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀ഊ> are the same for whatever type you're trying to put up. If it's a ਀㸀 漀渀攀ⴀ挀攀渀琀攀爀ⴀ瀀漀氀攀 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 搀漀 琀栀攀 栀椀最栀 眀椀渀搀 氀椀渀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀ഊ> pole, and then the side poles. ਀㸀 䤀昀 椀琀✀猀 愀 琀眀漀ⴀ挀攀渀琀攀爀ⴀ瀀漀氀攀 Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 漀爀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 爀椀搀最攀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 栀椀最栀ഊ> wind lines, one center pole, the other center pole, then the side ਀㸀 瀀漀氀攀猀⸀ഊ> If it's a Viking A-frame, it's the high wind lines, one end of the ਀㸀 䄀ⴀ昀爀愀洀攀 甀瀀爀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 攀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 猀琀愀欀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最ഊ> else down. ਀ഊIf I could offer a few options for the above..... ਀ഊ I have had no experience with the marquee pavillions that use no ਀爀椀搀最攀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 爀椀搀最攀 瀀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 洀甀挀栀 ഊeasier to stake out your perimeter poles first, then raise the ridge. ਀吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 瀀愀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 渀攀攀搀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 椀猀 琀栀攀 ഊridge raising. ਀    吀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 椀猀 琀爀甀攀 昀漀爀 洀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 倀愀渀琀栀攀爀 倀爀椀洀椀琀椀瘀攀猀 挀愀氀氀 ഊthe Regents pavillion, and other makers call mitred octagon (mine's a ਀倀愀渀琀栀攀爀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 昀漀甀爀 挀漀爀渀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀猀 最漀 甀瀀 昀椀爀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀⸀  吀栀椀猀 ഊcan be done (and usually is) by one person. ਀     䄀猀 昀漀爀 䄀ⴀ昀爀愀洀攀猀Ⰰ 洀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀攀渀琀 椀猀 愀 眀攀搀最攀Ⰰ 愀氀猀漀 昀爀漀洀 倀愀渀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 ഊsets up in 15 minutes with two uprights and a ridge pole with no ropes. ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 琀攀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀琀猀 椀渀 愀琀 洀愀渀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 栀愀猀 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 ഊroom, isn't terribly expensive, and is easy to set up. ਀     吀栀攀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀 瀀漀猀琀攀爀 眀栀漀 眀愀猀 昀氀愀洀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 ∀戀椀琀挀栀椀渀最∀ 愀戀漀甀琀 ഊmodern tents would do well to check out what's available in more ਀愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀 琀攀渀琀愀最攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 氀愀猀栀椀渀最 漀甀琀 愀琀 昀漀氀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀䈀甀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 樀甀猀琀 洀礀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀吀椀最爀愀渀攀猀 漀昀 䈀攀稀愀戀搀攀ഊEast, AEthelmearc, Endless Hills ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: Dani Eder ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 甀瀀 ⠀眀椀琀栀⤀ 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀ഊOrganization: The Boeing Company ਀ഊTigranes of Bezabde wrote: ਀ഊ> If I could offer a few options for the above..... ਀㸀ഊ> I have had no experience with the marquee pavillions that use no ਀㸀 爀椀搀最攀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 爀椀搀最攀 瀀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 洀甀挀栀ഊ> easier to stake out your perimeter poles first, then raise the ridge. ਀㸀 吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 瀀愀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 渀攀攀搀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 椀猀 琀栀攀ഊ> ridge raising. ਀ഊHaving watched the Grimm's tent rental work crews at Pennsic set up seven ਀琀攀渀琀猀 椀渀 洀礀 挀愀洀瀀 氀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀猀猀甀洀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 昀椀最甀爀攀搀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀ഊefficient way to do this (since they do it for a living), the procedure is as ਀昀漀氀氀漀眀猀 昀漀爀 愀 爀攀挀琀愀渀最甀氀愀爀 琀攀渀琀㨀ഊ ਀㄀⤀ 䰀愀礀 漀甀琀 爀漀漀昀 漀渀 最爀漀甀渀搀 愀琀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀 眀栀攀爀攀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀攀渀琀 琀漀 最漀ഊ2) Hammer in stakes at appropriate distance from edge of roof (about 3 ft or 1/2 of sidewall height. ਀㌀⤀ 椀渀猀攀爀琀 㐀 挀漀爀渀攀爀 猀椀搀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 椀渀琀漀 爀漀漀昀 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀瀀 甀瀀 氀攀愀渀椀渀最 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 漀甀琀眀愀爀搀 愀琀 琀漀瀀⸀ഊ4) attach guy ropes to corners and tie off to stakes. ਀㔀⤀ 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀攀渀 挀漀爀渀攀爀 猀椀搀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀椀氀氀 琀椀最栀琀攀渀 琀栀攀 最甀礀 爀漀瀀攀猀ഊ6) insert center pole(s). There is a rope from hole at peak of tent hanging down, this is tied off to pole to keep tent fabric from rising off [the] pin in [the] pole in strong wind (and pole then falls) ਀㜀⤀ 椀渀猀攀爀琀 爀攀洀愀椀渀椀渀最 猀椀搀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 猀愀洀攀 氀攀愀渀椀渀最 漀甀琀眀愀爀搀Ⰰ 琀椀攀 漀昀昀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀攀渀 爀漀甀琀椀渀攀⸀ഊ8) attach sidewalls ਀ഊOf course the Grimm's company had separate crews for layout, stake hammering ਀⠀眀椀琀栀 愀 樀愀挀欀 栀愀洀洀攀爀⤀Ⰰ 瀀漀氀攀 爀愀椀猀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀椀搀攀眀愀氀氀 愀琀琀愀挀栀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀漀爀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀愀琀攀ഊpersonal tent, the only step that might require more than one person is raising ਀琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀猀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 猀琀爀漀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䐀愀渀椀攀氀 漀昀 刀愀瘀攀渀✀猀 一攀猀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: seaanmcay at aol.com (SeaanMcAy) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: putting up (with) pavillions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㐀 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㌀㨀㄀㄀㨀　㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀   倀甀琀琀椀渀最 甀瀀 愀 琀攀渀琀 戀礀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀 椀猀 漀昀琀攀渀 愀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀ഊthings right. I have a 14' round pavillion (made by Dragonwing, who is ਀昀椀渀愀氀氀礀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀 戀甀猀椀渀攀猀猀⤀⸀  䤀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 猀琀爀甀最最氀攀 愀 戀椀琀 眀栀攀渀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 甀瀀 琀栀攀ഊcenter pole (I would only put in some of the stakes, and then have someone ਀愀搀樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 爀漀瀀攀猀 眀栀椀氀攀 䤀 栀攀氀搀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 甀瀀⤀⸀ഊ ਀   一漀眀 䤀 瀀甀琀 椀渀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀 爀漀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀搀樀甀猀琀攀搀ഊto the correct length (mainly by being careful when I take the paviallion ਀搀漀眀渀 琀漀 氀攀愀瘀攀 椀琀 猀攀琀甀瀀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 琀椀洀攀⤀⸀  吀栀椀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 爀攀搀甀挀攀猀 愀渀礀 渀攀攀搀ഊof assistance when putting up the center pole. ਀ഊ Ion, of Dragonwing, often carries around a few extra tents for ਀搀攀洀漀渀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 猀愀氀攀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀猀⸀  䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 栀椀洀 爀愀椀猀攀 ㈀ 猀甀渀猀栀愀搀攀猀Ⰰ ㈀ഊcircular and 1 "marquee" pavillions by himself in about 2 hours. These ਀琀栀椀渀最猀 最漀 昀愀猀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 搀漀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀渀 愀栀攀愀搀℀ഊ ਀匀攀愀愀渀 䴀挀䄀礀    䌀愀攀爀 䐀愀爀琀栀㬀 䐀愀爀欀眀漀漀搀㬀 䴀椀猀琀猀㬀 圀攀猀琀  ⠀匀愀渀琀愀 䌀爀甀稀Ⰰ 䌀䄀⤀ഊmckay_michael at tandem.com or seaanmcay at aol.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀攀愀愀渀洀挀愀礀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀匀攀愀愀渀䴀挀䄀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 甀瀀 ⠀眀椀琀栀⤀ 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀ഊDate: 4 Aug 1997 23:46:35 GMT ਀ഊI wrote: ਀㸀 一漀眀 䤀 瀀甀琀 椀渀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀 爀漀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀搀樀甀猀琀攀搀ഊ> to the correct length (mainly by being careful when I take the ਀㸀 瀀愀瘀椀愀氀氀椀漀渀 搀漀眀渀 琀漀 氀攀愀瘀攀 椀琀 猀攀琀甀瀀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 琀椀洀攀⤀⸀  ഊ ਀䤀 昀漀爀最漀琀 琀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀挀琀椀漀渀 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀椀猀 眀漀爀欀⸀  夀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀ഊto measure the how far out you put the stakes. A mark (3-4' down) on one ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 椀猀 愀渀 攀愀猀礀 洀攀琀栀漀搀⸀  吀栀椀猀 眀椀氀氀 椀渀猀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀爀 爀漀瀀攀猀 愀爀攀 猀攀琀ഊat an appropriate length, and make setup much quicker (although I do have ਀琀漀 愀搀樀甀猀琀 愀 戀椀琀 眀栀攀渀 䤀✀洀 挀愀洀瀀攀搀 漀渀 愀 猀氀漀瀀攀⤀⸀ഊ ਀匀攀愀愀渀 䴀挀䄀礀    䌀愀攀爀 䐀愀爀琀栀㬀 䐀愀爀欀眀漀漀搀㬀 䴀椀猀琀猀㬀 圀攀猀琀  ⠀匀愀渀琀愀 䌀爀甀稀Ⰰ 䌀䄀⤀ഊmckay_michael at tandem.com or seaanmcay at aol.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀渀渀椀猀 䴀⸀ 伀✀䌀漀渀渀漀爀∀ 㰀搀洀漀挀 愀琀 瀀爀椀洀攀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀 圀愀爀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀 愀渀搀 琀攀渀琀 猀琀愀欀椀渀最ഊDate: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:53:11 -0700 ਀ഊThere ha been no rain in months, or forecast for the next two days, ਀猀漀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 搀爀礀 愀渀搀 搀甀猀琀礀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 挀漀洀椀渀最 漀甀琀 琀漀搀愀礀 漀爀ഊtomorrow, be are that windy conditions are predicted. This means ਀琀栀攀爀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 戀氀漀眀椀渀最 搀甀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀爀 琀攀渀琀 眀椀氀氀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀ഊwell-secured. Given the drought and the wind, fire safety is essential. ਀ഊWhile much of Estrella Mountain Park has rock-hard soils ਀琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀 栀攀愀瘀礀 洀攀琀愀氀 猀琀愀欀攀猀 ⠀猀甀挀栀 愀猀 氀愀渀搀猀挀愀瀀椀渀最ഊspikes with washers), some areas of Estrella have sandy soils ਀琀栀愀琀 搀漀 渀漀琀 栀漀氀搀 猀琀愀欀攀猀 ⠀攀瘀攀渀 倀愀渀琀栀攀爀✀猀 ㄀㠀ⴀ椀渀挀栀 戀愀爀 猀琀漀挀欀 漀渀攀猀⤀ഊat all well. If you don't have good sand stakes (for an example, ਀猀攀攀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀愀戀攀氀愀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀⼀䌀瀀漀搀　　　㌀㜀㠀㤀⸀樀猀瀀⤀ഊthen using 2 or 3 large metal stakes per rope, driven in ਀愀渀 ∀堀∀ 漀爀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀Ⰰ 栀愀猀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 昀漀爀 洀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀⸀Ⰰഊeven on my large Panther pavilions, all though they did ਀渀攀攀搀 洀漀渀椀琀漀爀椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀愀爀⸀ഊ-- ਀䐀攀渀渀椀猀 䴀⸀ 伀✀䌀漀渀渀漀爀    搀洀漀挀 愀琀 瀀爀椀洀攀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Isabelica" ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Period camping for Singles? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀ 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㘀 　　㨀㔀㐀㨀㄀㄀ ⴀ　㠀　　ഊ ਀䤀✀洀 愀 猀椀渀最氀攀 氀愀搀礀 眀栀漀 眀椀猀栀攀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 搀漀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最⸀ 䤀✀洀ഊwondering what exactly other single ladies out there have done, what ਀琀礀瀀攀猀 漀昀 琀攀渀琀猀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀漀 戀攀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 猀甀挀栀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀ഊhaving to stop everyone else from their duties to assist me. I'd ਀愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀 愀渀礀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀猀 漀爀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀℀ 吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀ഊ ਀䤀猀愀戀攀氀椀挀愀ഊBryn Gwlad ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䬀爀椀猀猀礀开氀椀渀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀∀ 㰀䬀爀椀猀猀礀开氀椀渀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 昀漀爀 匀椀渀最氀攀猀㼀ഊDate: 3 Feb 2006 12:02:47 -0800 ਀ഊThe tent I use is a square tent with one center pole. The style is easy ਀昀漀爀 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 琀漀 猀攀琀 甀瀀Ⰰ 椀渀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 眀栀礀 洀礀 氀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 䤀ഊdecided to purchase that particular style. Others have mentioned the ਀猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最 戀甀琀 椀渀 愀 爀漀甀渀搀 猀栀愀瀀攀⸀ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀愀爀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀ഊgives you more internal space without taking up more ground space (yay ਀挀漀爀渀攀爀猀℀⤀ 倀爀攀琀琀礀 洀甀挀栀 愀渀礀 猀琀礀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 漀渀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀 眀椀氀氀 眀漀爀欀 眀椀琀栀ഊonly one person. It's when you have more then one center pole that you ਀渀攀攀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 眀椀琀栀 爀愀椀猀椀渀最 椀琀⸀ ഊ ਀縀䔀洀洀攀氀椀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Steve Hix ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period camping for Singles? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 　㌀ 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㈀㨀㈀㠀㨀㄀　 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊ ਀∀䬀爀椀猀猀礀开氀椀渀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀∀ 㰀䬀爀椀猀猀礀开氀椀渀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> The tent I use is a square tent with one center pole. The style is easy ਀㸀 昀漀爀 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 琀漀 猀攀琀 甀瀀Ⰰ 椀渀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 眀栀礀 洀礀 氀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 䤀ഊ> decided to purchase that particular style. Others have mentioned the ਀㸀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最 戀甀琀 椀渀 愀 爀漀甀渀搀 猀栀愀瀀攀⸀ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀愀爀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀ഊ> gives you more internal space without taking up more ground space (yay ਀㸀 挀漀爀渀攀爀猀℀⤀ 倀爀攀琀琀礀 洀甀挀栀 愀渀礀 猀琀礀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 漀渀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 瀀漀氀攀 眀椀氀氀 眀漀爀欀 眀椀琀栀ഊ> only one person. It's when you have more then one center pole that you ਀㸀 渀攀攀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 眀椀琀栀 爀愀椀猀椀渀最 椀琀⸀ ഊ ਀䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 愀渀 䄀ⴀ昀爀愀洀攀 琀攀渀琀 戀礀 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 ഊdone it regularly with my 7'x7'x9'6" tent. (Two uprights, connected with ਀愀 爀椀搀最攀瀀漀氀攀⸀⤀ഊ ਀匀琀愀欀攀 漀渀攀 猀椀搀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀漀氀搀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀欀攀搀 猀椀搀攀 猀漀 琀栀攀 爀椀搀最攀 氀椀渀攀 椀猀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 ഊlower edge. Place poles in position, the bring the free side back and ਀猀琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 瀀氀愀挀攀 愀 戀椀琀 猀氀愀挀欀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 猀琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀爀攀攀 猀椀搀攀Ⰰ 爀攀瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 猀琀愀欀攀猀 ഊto tension it properly. Takes a bit longer than using two folk, but it's ਀搀漀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: trbrown at uga.edu ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period camping for Singles? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀ 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀　㨀㈀㄀㨀　㘀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊ ਀䴀礀 䰀愀搀礀Ⰰഊ ਀   䤀✀瘀攀 挀愀洀瀀攀搀 椀渀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 愀 嘀椀欀椀渀最 琀攀渀琀 ⠀倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 ㄀ⴀ㔀⤀ 琀漀 愀 ⠀渀漀ഊspoke) 17 ft round (Pennsic 20-25) to a 13x16 oval (Pennsic 26 to ਀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀⤀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀 戀攀氀氀 眀攀搀最攀猀 愀渀搀 㰀最栀愀猀瀀㸀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 琀攀渀琀猀 椀渀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀⸀ഊ(Hey, I was flying from Drachenwald guys!) Frequently not as a single ਀挀愀洀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 攀愀猀攀 漀昀 猀攀琀甀瀀 椀猀 愀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䄀氀氀 漀昀ഊthese pavilions can [technically] be set up by one person, but in no ਀挀愀猀攀 椀猀 椀琀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀攀搀⸀  吀栀攀 嘀椀欀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 戀攀氀氀 眀攀搀最攀猀 挀愀渀ഊeasily be set up by two. The round and ovals are best with four people, ਀戀甀琀 琀栀爀攀攀 漀爀 ⠀椀渀 愀 瀀椀渀挀栀⤀ 琀眀漀 眀椀氀氀 猀甀昀昀椀挀攀⸀  䴀礀 漀瘀愀氀 栀愀猀 愀 㔀ⴀ昀琀 氀漀渀最ഊridge pole, which means that one short person (me) can hold the two ਀甀瀀爀椀最栀琀猀 猀琀攀愀搀礀⸀ ⠀䄀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀✀猀 愀爀洀猀瀀愀渀 椀猀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 愀猀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊheight.) ਀ഊ My personal recommendation for the best period tentage for a single ਀挀愀洀瀀攀爀 ⴀⴀ 愀 戀攀氀氀 眀攀搀最攀 眀椀琀栀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀 猀栀愀搀攀 昀氀礀⸀  吀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 䤀✀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 栀愀搀ഊuprights that broke down to 4 ft lengths and a 3 or 4 ft ridge pole. ਀吀栀攀礀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀 渀漀 爀漀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 爀漀瀀攀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀昀 眀椀渀搀 漀爀 戀愀搀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀 椀猀ഊanticipated. The optional fly does use a couple more poles and some ਀爀漀瀀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀   䄀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 眀椀氀氀 昀椀琀 椀渀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀愀爀Ⰰ 挀愀渀 戀攀 瀀愀挀欀攀搀 愀猀 挀栀攀挀欀ⴀ漀渀ഊbaggage, or sent UPS to some sites like Pennsic. When I flew with ਀洀椀渀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀愀渀瘀愀猀Ⰰ 爀漀瀀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀琀愀欀攀猀 昀椀琀 椀渀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 猀甀椀琀挀愀猀攀 漀爀ഊfootlocker along with my air mattress and tarps, and the poles were ਀瀀愀搀搀攀搀 椀渀 洀礀 爀甀最猀 愀渀搀 猀氀椀瀀瀀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 愀 挀愀渀瘀愀猀 戀愀最 䤀 洀愀搀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 眀椀氀氀ഊwork for UPS, but I put some cardboard on the outside of the bag so ਀琀栀攀椀爀 琀爀愀挀欀椀渀最 氀愀戀攀氀猀 栀愀搀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 愀搀栀攀爀攀 琀漀⸀  匀琀爀愀瀀瀀椀渀最 琀愀瀀攀 椀猀ഊyour friend -- take some with you. Note: if I flew or shipped the ਀琀攀渀琀 琀漀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀Ⰰ 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀栀愀搀攀 昀氀礀⸀  圀栀攀渀 䤀ഊarrived I bought cheap 2x2s and gave them away when I left. Total ਀漀甀琀氀愀礀 眀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 ␀㌀⸀ഊ ਀   䄀 猀椀渀最氀攀 氀愀搀礀 ⴀⴀ 漀爀 最攀渀琀氀攀洀愀渀 ⴀⴀ 猀栀漀甀氀搀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀ഊhelpers to set up the tent. I like offer them chilled bottled water, ਀猀漀搀愀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀 戀攀攀爀 昀漀爀 爀攀昀爀攀猀栀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀✀瘀攀 洀攀琀 猀漀洀攀 瘀攀爀礀 渀椀挀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 戀礀ഊasking them to help with the pavilion. If you get their names and ਀最爀漀甀瀀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 漀瀀瀀漀爀琀甀渀椀琀礀 琀漀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 爀漀礀愀氀琀礀Ⰰ 戀愀爀漀渀愀最攀Ⰰ 栀攀愀搀 漀昀ഊhousehold, captain or chieftain know your appreciation too. ਀ഊ Are you on the Medieval Encampments group? ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀⼀最爀漀甀瀀⼀䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀䔀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀猀⼀ഊ ਀  䈀攀猀琀 漀昀 氀甀挀欀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀愀洀瀀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀ 匀椀最渀礀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Lisa Z. Morgan" ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period camping for Singles? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀ 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀　㨀㈀㌀㨀㔀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊ ਀䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀 椀猀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 愀栀攀愀搀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀 眀椀琀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀椀渀最氀攀 挀愀洀瀀攀爀猀 ഊand trade setup help. This works even with groups--when we travel as three ਀漀爀 昀漀甀爀 猀栀愀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀 砀 ㄀㘀 洀愀爀焀甀椀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 䌀䄀一 瀀甀琀 椀琀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 樀甀猀琀 琀眀漀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊfour or six and it goes up in 10 minutes. Then we do the same for the people ਀眀栀漀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 甀猀⸀ഊ ਀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 䤀 愀搀洀椀爀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 搀漀 渀漀琀 刀䔀䰀夀 漀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀 漀昀 ഊstrangers. Getting and offering help is a grace; expecting it as a matter of ਀瀀氀愀渀渀椀渀最 椀猀 愀渀 椀洀瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀䰀礀漀渀ഊ-- ਀䰀椀猀愀 娀⸀ 䴀漀爀最愀渀ഊlzmorgan at email.uophx.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 娀攀戀攀攀 䨀漀栀渀猀琀漀渀攀 㰀稀攀戀攀攀樀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 昀漀爀 匀椀渀最氀攀猀㼀ഊDate: 1 Feb 2006 10:06:21 GMT ਀ഊIn rec.org.sca on 1 Feb 2006 00:54:11 -0800 ਀䤀猀愀戀攀氀椀挀愀 㰀猀椀攀爀瘀甀愀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I'm a single lady who wishes to be able to do period camping. I'm ਀㸀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀椀渀最氀攀 氀愀搀椀攀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀ഊ> types of tents they have found to be easy to set up and such without ਀㸀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 猀琀漀瀀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀椀爀 搀甀琀椀攀猀 琀漀 愀猀猀椀猀琀 洀攀⸀ 䤀✀搀ഊ> appreciate any responses or suggestions! Thank you ਀ഊ"lady" covers a lot of ground. ਀ഊI'm 5'2" tall but I'm wide and strong, what I can do might not be what ਀猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 㔀✀㘀∀ 戀甀琀 瘀攀爀礀 猀氀椀最栀琀 挀愀渀 搀漀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 ㄀㈀✀ 搀椀愀洀攀琀攀爀 猀椀渀最氀攀 瀀漀氀攀 爀漀甀渀搀 琀攀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 甀猀攀猀 挀爀漀眀猀昀漀漀琀 最甀礀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 挀愀渀 瀀甀琀 椀琀 甀瀀 戀礀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 愀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 洀攀愀猀甀爀椀渀最 猀琀爀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀攀氀氀猀 洀攀ഊwhere to put the pegs - I peg the guys and then lift the pole up ਀琀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀 爀漀漀昀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 瘀椀欀椀渀最 琀攀渀琀 眀愀猀 洀甀挀栀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀 攀爀攀挀琀 ⴀ 䤀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 氀漀渀最眀愀礀猀 瀀漀氀攀猀 椀渀ഊsleeves, I just fitted the top pole through the front and back two side ਀攀渀搀 戀漀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 氀椀昀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀 甀瀀Ⰰ 眀愀氀欀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 氀椀昀琀攀搀 琀栀攀ഊback up, repeat till it's as high as it needs to be, then fit the bottom ਀瀀漀氀攀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 戀愀猀攀 攀渀搀 戀漀愀爀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 愀 ㄀　 昀漀漀琀 氀漀渀最Ⰰ 㤀 昀漀漀琀 栀椀最栀 愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀欀 琀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀攀 瘀攀爀琀椀挀愀氀 瀀漀氀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 栀愀爀搀ഊwork for one person, I don't know about the tents with inner ring ਀昀爀愀洀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀匀椀氀昀爀攀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: David Friedman ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period camping for Singles? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 　㄀ 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㈀㨀㔀㄀㨀㌀㌀ ⴀ　㠀　　ഊ ਀娀攀戀攀攀 䨀漀栀渀猀琀漀渀攀 㰀稀攀戀攀攀樀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I have a 12' diameter single pole round tent that uses crowsfoot guys. ਀㸀 ഊ> I can put it up by myself as I have a measuring string that tells me ਀㸀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 瀀攀最猀 ⴀ 䤀 瀀攀最 琀栀攀 最甀礀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 氀椀昀琀 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀 甀瀀ഊ> taking the tent roof with it. ਀ഊI used to use a measuring string. My current solution, borrowed from ਀䐀愀昀昀礀搀 ⠀眀栀漀猀攀 琀攀渀琀 搀攀猀椀最渀 䤀✀洀 甀猀椀渀最⤀ 椀猀 愀 最爀漀甀渀搀 挀氀漀琀栀⸀ 倀甀琀 椀琀 搀漀眀渀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 ഊin the tent pegs to fit the ropes attached to its loops, and the problem ਀椀猀 猀漀氀瘀攀搀ⴀⴀ愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 洀攀愀猀甀爀椀渀最 猀琀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀 ഊfine tuning of the peg placement after the tent is up. ਀ഊWe currently use two kinds of tents. We have a Gjeteld built for our two ਀欀椀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀愀渀搀攀搀 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 最漀琀 戀椀最最攀爀⸀ 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 愀渀搀 䤀 甀猀攀 愀 栀甀戀 愀渀搀 ഊspoke round, single pole, about 12' diameter at the shoulder, 18' at the ਀最爀漀甀渀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 氀愀猀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 䤀 戀甀椀氀琀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 漀甀爀 ഊtent--I think about 8' diameter at the shoulder. 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