tent-making-msg - 4/13/99 ਀ഊUseful ideas when making tents. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: p-tents-msg, pavilions-msg, tent-care-msg, tent-fabrics-msg, tent-painting-msg, tent-ps-msg, tent-sources-msg, sewng-machnes-msg, sewing-tables-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: dpeters at panix.com (D. Peters) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Tent/Pavilion questions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀　 䴀愀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㤀㨀㈀㌀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊ ਀匀吀栀漀洀愀猀㜀㈀㠀 㰀猀琀栀漀洀愀猀㜀㈀㠀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>I toyed with the idea of making my own tent, but I live in a small ਀㸀愀瀀愀爀琀洀攀渀琀 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 氀愀礀 昀愀戀爀椀挀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 眀愀猀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀ഊ ਀䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 琀愀氀欀 礀漀甀 椀渀琀漀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 琀攀渀琀ⴀⴀ栀漀渀攀猀琀℀ⴀⴀ戀甀琀 䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀ഊto point out that we built our (approx.) 12' x 16' oval pavilion in a 1 ਀㄀⼀㈀ 戀攀搀爀漀漀洀 一夀䌀 愀瀀愀爀琀洀攀渀琀⸀  吀漀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀氀愀琀椀渀最ഊtent-building, it *can* be done in a less-than-lavish space. (Although we ਀⨀搀椀搀⨀ 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 椀琀 琀漀 愀 瀀愀爀欀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 䤀猀氀愀渀搀 琀漀 琀攀猀琀 猀攀琀ⴀ甀瀀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀ഊtime) ਀ഊ>also, my sewing machine would not ba able to handle the layers of thick ਀㸀昀愀戀爀椀挀⸀  ഊ ਀䴀甀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀攀眀椀渀最 漀渀 漀甀爀 琀攀渀琀 眀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 漀渀 愀渀 攀氀搀攀爀氀礀 猀攀眀椀渀最 洀愀挀栀椀渀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊmy spouse had picked up at a garage sale for $10.00. We did have to break ਀搀漀眀渀 愀渀搀 戀甀礀 愀 猀攀眀椀渀最 洀愀挀栀椀渀攀 昀爀漀洀 匀攀愀爀猀 刀漀攀戀甀挀欀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 最攀爀椀愀琀爀椀挀ഊmachine wouldn't do buttonholes.... ਀ഊOnce again, I'm not trying to brow-beat you into building your own tent, ਀戀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 昀漀氀欀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀栀漀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 戀甀椀氀搀 愀 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀愀瘀攀ഊsimilar reservations. ਀ഊCheers, ਀䐀⸀倀攀琀攀爀猀ഊlooking forward to using the pavilion at a camping event in Brooklyn (!) ਀琀栀椀猀 猀甀洀洀攀爀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: odlin at reed.edu (Iain Odlin) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Tent/Pavilion questions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㄀ 䴀愀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㠀㨀㔀㠀㨀㄀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀  䤀昀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 猀瀀愀挀攀 琀漀 氀愀礀 漀甀琀 氀愀爀最攀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀 ⠀椀攀㨀 猀攀眀椀渀最 愀 琀攀渀琀⤀Ⰰഊ try making contact with local community or high school theatres. A stage ਀  甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 栀愀猀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 搀攀愀氀 漀昀 猀瀀愀挀攀 琀漀 瀀氀愀礀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 眀椀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀 琀栀攀愀琀爀攀ഊ generally has a 'dormant' period (some have winter, others summer). If you ਀  挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 搀漀 ⠀愀渀搀 ⨀挀氀攀愀渀 甀瀀 愀昀琀攀爀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀⨀⤀Ⰰഊ you just might find all the space you need (and, sometimes, more help than ਀  礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 甀猀攀⤀⸀ഊ ਀  ⴀ䤀愀椀渀 伀搀氀椀渀Ⰰ 吀攀挀栀渀椀挀愀氀 䐀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀戀爀漀漀欀 䠀椀最栀 匀挀栀漀漀氀 䐀爀愀洀愀 䐀攀瀀琀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 甀猀攀猀ഊ his stage to dry out his tent after camping events. Hang it from the ਀   氀椀最栀琀椀渀最 戀愀琀琀攀渀猀 愀渀搀 琀甀爀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀最攀 氀椀最栀琀猀⸀  䐀爀礀 椀渀 渀漀 琀椀洀攀℀ഊ ਀ഊFrom hairyhoof at aol.com Tue May 13 12:38:26 1997 ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㠀㨀㄀㌀㨀　㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊFrom: Hairy Hoof ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀 愀琀 洀挀⸀氀挀猀⸀洀椀琀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Pavilion designs ਀ഊHere in Calontir where we own more pavilions per capita then I have ever ਀猀攀攀渀 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀 攀氀猀攀 ⠀ 礀攀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 攀氀猀攀 眀栀攀爀攀⤀ 洀愀渀礀 洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 猀攀眀ഊthere own tents. My wife has two, I have sewn five. In my Barony alone ਀㐀　⬀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 琀攀渀琀猀 琀栀攀礀 漀爀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 栀攀爀攀 猀攀眀攀搀⸀ 䄀氀氀 戀甀琀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀ഊpeople used basic household models to do the job. Some go over those big ਀洀甀氀琀椀瀀氀攀 氀愀礀攀爀 樀漀椀渀琀猀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀攀渀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀氀氀 搀漀 琀栀攀ഊjob. Just be careful of a few things: ਀ഊDont pull the fabric faster then the machine will take it ਀ഊBe careful of the tension the tent exerts as you feed it through, the stress ਀漀昀 昀愀戀爀椀挀 眀攀椀最栀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀 漀戀瘀椀漀甀猀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀⸀ 匀漀ഊadjust the pile waiting on your side of the machine frequently to make ਀猀甀爀攀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 琀爀甀渀 椀渀琀漀 栀攀愀瘀礀 猀琀爀攀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀 昀漀氀搀ഊ ਀䈀攀 瀀愀琀椀攀渀琀ഊ ਀䈀攀 瀀愀琀椀攀渀琀ഊ ਀䐀漀渀✀琀 爀甀猀栀 愀渀搀 礀漀甀 眀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 猀琀愀爀琀 戀爀攀愀欀椀渀最 渀攀攀搀氀攀猀 礀漀甀ഊare probably either forcing the fabric or you have that hidden stress ਀猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 最漀 琀栀爀攀眀 猀挀漀爀攀猀 漀昀 渀攀攀搀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 渀攀攀搀 戀椀最ഊrepairs on the machine. Sometimes the strain is just to much and a needle ਀眀椀氀氀 戀爀攀愀欀⸀ 䤀昀 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 ⠀ 氀椀欀攀 琀栀漀猀攀 最椀愀渀琀ഊjoint seams) for the break you probably are doing one of those things I ਀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䜀漀漀搀 氀甀挀欀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 搀漀 椀琀 椀昀 䤀 挀愀渀ഊTiberius, Baron, Forgotten Sea, Calontir ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 　㘀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㐀㨀㌀㐀㨀㄀㄀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: nancy lynch ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Round edges on tent designs. ਀ഊSheron Buchele/Curtis Rowland wrote: ਀㸀 䄀 琀攀渀琀洀愀欀攀爀 栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 唀渀猀攀爀 䠀愀昀攀渀Ⰰ 伀甀琀氀愀渀搀猀Ⰰ 最漀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀愀琀攀搀 昀漀爀 猀甀渀ഊ> and mildew canvas which was very slick and smelled bad. It also ripped ਀㸀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 猀攀眀渀 猀攀愀洀猀 氀椀欀攀 ✀琀攀愀爀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 搀漀琀琀攀搀 氀椀渀攀✀⸀  匀漀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 甀爀最攀ഊ> getting a sample and checking it out! ਀㸀 ഊ> Baroness Leonora ਀ഊYep, that was me! The weight of the pretreated canvas is such that if ਀椀琀 搀漀攀猀 最攀琀 礀愀渀欀攀搀 戀礀 愀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀 眀椀渀搀 愀渀搀 洀椀猀瀀氀愀挀攀搀 最甀礀 爀漀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 ഊtear. especially any flat surfaces. I am not sure why that is. Round ਀琀攀渀琀猀 昀愀爀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀攀渀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 氀愀爀最攀 昀氀愀琀 愀爀攀愀猀 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀  吀栀攀 ഊelements tend to slip around rather than flatten the tent. And ANY tent ਀琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 爀漀瀀攀猀 猀琀愀欀攀搀 椀渀 愀琀 漀搀搀 愀渀最氀攀猀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 愀 搀椀猀猀愀瀀瀀漀椀渀琀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 ഊa big wind. There is a reason for the even distribution of tension and ਀猀琀爀攀猀猀℀㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ ⨀搀漀 渀漀琀⨀ 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 攀砀挀攀猀猀椀瘀攀氀礀 猀琀爀漀渀最 琀栀爀攀愀搀 ⠀氀椀欀攀 漀渀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀攀眀 ഊleather shoes with) is a good idea. Keep in mind that the tent will ਀猀眀愀礀 愀渀搀 戀漀甀渀挀攀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀攀稀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 洀漀瘀攀洀攀渀琀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 戀愀搀 ഊof you use too large or strong a thread or too many stitches close ਀琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀⸀  吀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 愀 猀愀眀 椀渀 愀 栀漀氀攀 洀漀瘀椀渀最 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀琀栀 愀 氀漀琀⸀  唀猀攀 ഊlarger than standard home sewing thread though, or the general weight ਀愀渀搀 猀甀渀猀栀椀渀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀爀攀愀欀 琀栀攀 猀琀椀琀挀栀椀渀最 昀椀戀攀爀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 焀甀椀挀欀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 眀椀渀搀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 刀漀挀欀礀 䴀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀 爀攀最椀漀渀 挀愀渀 戀攀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀洀愀稀椀渀最℀  䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 ഊliving on the East coast for the past year and when they have a 25mph ਀眀椀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 愀氀氀 最攀琀 攀砀挀椀琀攀搀⸀  吀栀愀琀 椀猀 愀 瀀甀渀礀 戀爀攀攀稀攀 眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 氀椀瘀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ഊshadow of the Rocky Mountains! So keep in mind your tension lines and ਀搀椀猀琀爀椀戀甀琀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀攀猀猀 攀瘀攀渀氀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀甀愀氀 吀䔀匀吀℀  夀漀甀 洀愀礀 瘀椀猀椀琀 愀 ഊwindy area and be glad of staking your tent correctly :-) ਀ഊSonas ort! (Irish - "Happiness on you!") ਀䰀甀最栀戀攀挀 渀椀 䔀漀椀渀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris tent-making-msg Page 3 of 4 ਀ഊ ਀ഊ