castles-msg - 9/22/09 ਀ഊMedieval castles and fortifications. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: castles-lnks, buildings-msg, cities-msg, siege-engines-msg, bridges-msg, furniture-msg, lamps-msg, decor-sources-msg, beds-msg, p-kitchens-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: haslock at rust.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㐀 䄀甀最 㤀㄀ ㈀㈀㨀㌀㄀㨀㌀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: DECwest, Digital Equipment Corp., Bellevue WA ਀ഊFrom article <1991Aug13.212948.25017 at agora.uucp>, by trifid at agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks): ਀㸀 䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀椀琀礀 愀渀搀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 眀愀氀氀猀ഊ> we saw in the British Isles were not all that high... 2 meters is a good ਀㸀 攀渀漀甀最栀 愀瀀爀漀砀椀洀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀漀眀攀爀ⴀ栀漀甀猀攀猀 栀愀搀 眀愀氀氀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀眀椀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀猀 搀椀搀ഊ> some inner curtain walls in large castles. ਀ഊI took the opportunity, while at Clinton, to listen to Baron Gerhard expound ਀漀渀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀漀爀礀 愀渀搀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀猀攀 漀昀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀 ⠀琀栀攀 琀愀氀欀 眀愀猀 椀渀琀攀渀搀攀搀 昀漀爀 猀攀爀最攀愀渀琀ഊand yeoman candidates for some obscure reason). ਀ഊGerhard pointed out that the major constraints on the hight of a curtain wall ਀眀攀爀攀 ㄀⤀ 挀愀猀栀 愀渀搀 ㈀⤀ 昀漀甀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ 䌀愀猀栀 氀椀洀椀琀猀 琀栀攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 氀愀戀漀甀爀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊamount of stone available to build the silly thing. Foundations limit the ਀愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 眀攀椀最栀琀 漀渀攀 挀愀渀 戀甀椀氀搀 椀渀琀漀 愀 眀愀氀氀⸀ 吀栀攀漀爀礀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀漀眀攀爀猀 洀甀猀琀ഊoverlook the curtain walls and so must be taller. Thus it is the foundations of ਀琀栀攀 琀漀眀攀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀洀椀琀 琀栀攀 栀攀椀最栀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀甀爀琀愀椀渀 眀愀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 昀愀挀琀漀爀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀 琀漀眀渀 眀愀氀氀 挀愀渀 戀攀 搀攀昀攀渀搀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 挀椀琀椀稀攀渀猀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 洀攀愀渀猀ഊthat the designer can trade height of wall for manpower, on the principle that ਀愀 栀椀最栀 眀愀氀氀 渀攀攀搀猀 愀 昀攀眀 最漀漀搀 洀攀渀 琀漀 搀攀昀攀渀搀 椀琀 眀栀椀氀攀 愀 氀漀眀攀爀 眀愀氀氀 渀攀攀搀猀 愀 氀漀琀ഊof defenders. ਀ഊIt is also possible that since they built on roman foundations, the foundations ਀爀攀愀氀氀礀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀愀搀攀焀甀愀琀攀 昀漀爀 愀 氀愀爀最攀爀 眀愀氀氀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 甀渀氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 爀漀洀愀渀猀ഊforesaw the need of the Normans to heavily defend York and so ਀漀瘀攀爀ⴀ攀渀最椀渀攀攀爀攀搀 琀栀攀 昀漀甀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 眀愀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀匀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 攀渀最氀椀猀栀 挀椀琀椀攀猀 昀椀氀氀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 搀攀琀爀椀琀甀猀Ⰰ 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀氀礀 愀昀昀攀挀琀椀渀最ഊthe ground level are extremely suspect. For example, I know of no English ਀栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最猀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 搀漀漀爀 猀琀攀瀀 椀猀 戀攀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 氀攀瘀攀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀甀爀爀漀甀渀搀椀渀最ഊground. I will accept that the batters (if they ever existed) are now ਀戀甀爀椀攀搀 甀渀搀攀爀 愀 氀愀礀攀爀 漀昀 琀甀爀昀⸀ 吀栀攀 戀愀琀琀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀渀攀 昀愀挀攀搀 猀氀漀瀀攀搀 戀椀琀ഊat the foot of the wall (he says, proudly displaying an item of trivia learned ਀昀爀漀洀 䜀攀爀栀愀爀搀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 洀漀爀愀氀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 䈀愀爀漀渀 䜀攀爀栀愀爀搀⸀ 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 昀漀爀琀椀昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀ഊbuilders built 2 meter high curtain walls because they were adequate for ਀琀栀攀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 漀渀 猀琀愀椀爀挀愀猀攀猀ഊFrom: maryann_butterfield at microlinkbbs.com (Maryann Butterfield) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 䨀甀氀 㤀㔀 　㜀㨀㐀㌀㨀　　 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊOrganization: MicroLink BBS 619-371-4452 5+ Gigs ਀ഊGreetings All, ਀  圀栀椀氀攀 椀渀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 氀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀搀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀 琀漀 眀愀氀欀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 搀漀眀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀ഊstaircases. Some (in round towers) were spiral, others (in square ਀琀漀眀攀爀猀⤀ 眀攀爀攀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀渀攀爀猀⸀  吀栀攀礀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊright as you ascended. They were about 27" wide (just big enough to ਀琀愀欀攀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀爀最攀 猀挀甀琀甀洀猀 甀猀攀搀 戀礀 漀甀爀 氀漀挀愀氀 ⴀ栀攀愀瘀礀ⴀ 猀栀椀攀氀搀 眀愀氀氀ഊ(called the Gravity Well). ਀  䈀攀椀渀最 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 ⠀挀漀洀洀愀渀搀攀爀⤀ 洀礀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀猀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀氀礀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 琀漀ഊdefensibility. Big shield backed by poleaxe would be ideal. There ਀眀愀猀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 爀漀漀洀 漀瘀攀爀栀攀愀搀 昀漀爀 猀琀爀椀欀椀渀最 搀漀眀渀眀愀爀搀⸀ഊ Yours in the Dream, ਀                           匀栀愀搀漀眀眀漀氀昀ഊmaryann_butterfield at microlinkbbs.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀甀稀攀⸀䠀愀洀洀漀渀搀 愀琀 栀甀戀攀爀琀⸀爀愀椀渀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀匀甀稀攀 䠀愀洀洀漀渀搀⤀ഊDate: 10 Oct 96 19:59:01 ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Modern Castle building for the Complete Idiot ਀ഊ Ga> From: Gareth.Bull at cc.monash.edu.au (Gareth Bull) ਀ഊ[...] ਀ഊ Ga> Well, here in the burg where I make my abode, I've discovered a number ਀ 䜀愀㸀 漀昀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 猀漀 甀渀甀猀甀愀氀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 搀攀猀椀最渀Ⰰ 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 漀渀氀礀 愀 瘀攀爀礀ഊ Ga> slight step of the imagination to believe that they are indeed castles ਀ 䜀愀㸀 ⠀愀瀀愀爀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀漀氀漀甀爀Ⰰ 爀攀搀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀氀氀ഊ Ga> seem to be of around the same period (approx 100 years old), with ਀ 䜀愀㸀 爀漀漀洀猀 漀渀 洀愀渀礀 猀攀瀀攀爀愀琀攀 氀攀瘀攀氀猀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 戀爀椀挀欀 愀渀搀 挀爀漀眀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀ഊ Ga> slate roofs. One of these is a few minutes travel from my home and ਀ 䜀愀㸀 昀愀挀攀猀 愀 爀愀椀氀 氀椀渀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 䤀 甀猀攀 漀昀琀攀渀⸀ 倀甀琀琀椀渀最 愀 爀漀甀最栀 栀攀眀渀 最爀愀渀椀琀攀ഊ Ga> veneer over the brick would complete the transformation. ਀ഊ Ga> Gareth Bull ਀ഊWhy bother? Castles were built of brick, especially later in Period. If ਀琀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 漀昀 愀 吀甀搀漀爀 猀琀礀氀攀 ⠀爀愀琀栀攀爀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 愀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀最漀⤀ 琀栀攀礀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀ഊauthentic as they'll ever get just as they are. ਀ഊ(Well, add a portculis, etc...) ਀ഊAnd if you must have stone, sandstone is also perfectly acceptable (and ਀愀戀猀漀爀戀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀栀漀挀欀 漀昀 挀愀渀渀漀渀戀愀氀氀猀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀 戀爀椀琀琀氀攀 琀礀瀀攀猀⤀⸀ഊMany of the castles of Scotland are made of this stone, often using one of ਀琀栀攀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 漀渀攀猀 ⠀礀攀氀氀漀眀 漀爀 爀攀搀⤀ 愀猀 挀漀爀渀攀爀Ⰰ 搀漀漀爀 愀渀搀 眀椀渀搀漀眀 ∀洀漀氀搀椀渀最∀ 椀渀 愀ഊmost attractive way. Sandstone is easier to "dress" (shape) and cheaper. ਀ഊ... Moreach ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀砀礀洀渀渀欀椀氀琀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀匀砀礀䴀渀一䬀椀氀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䴀漀搀攀爀渀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䌀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 䤀搀椀漀琀ഊDate: 11 Oct 1996 21:56:22 -0400 ਀ഊIn article <53icmj$i8j at harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, ਀䜀愀爀攀琀栀⸀䈀甀氀氀 愀琀 挀挀⸀洀漀渀愀猀栀⸀攀搀甀⸀愀甀 ⠀䜀愀爀攀琀栀 䈀甀氀氀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀ഊ>of buildings that are so unusual in their design, it takes only a very ਀㸀猀氀椀最栀琀 猀琀攀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀洀愀最椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 椀渀搀攀攀搀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀ഊ>(apart from their colour, red). These buildings that I know of all ਀㸀猀攀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀 漀昀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⠀愀瀀瀀爀漀砀 ㄀　　 礀攀愀爀猀 漀氀搀⤀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀ഊ>rooms on many seperate levels. They are made of brick and crowned with ਀㸀猀氀愀琀攀 爀漀漀昀猀⸀ഊ ਀    䤀 氀椀瘀攀搀 椀渀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀 昀漀爀 ㌀ 礀攀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀 栀漀瀀瀀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀猀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ(Poland, Czech Rep., Germany, Holland, England and Belgium.) There are ਀䴀䄀一夀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 爀攀搀 戀爀椀挀欀 椀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀Ⰰ 䤀渀 䔀愀猀琀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 漀渀攀ഊ(16th C.) that was being torn down to make room for gardens. I kept a ਀戀爀椀挀欀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀 愀洀愀稀攀搀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 攀愀挀栀 眀愀猀 洀愀爀欀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀 戀氀愀稀漀渀℀ 䴀椀渀搀 礀漀甀 䤀ഊwould not have taken one if I did not know it was going to be taken to a ਀氀愀渀搀 昀椀氀氀⸀ 匀愀洀攀 愀猀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 吀栀攀 圀愀氀氀℀ഊ ਀一椀愀氀氀ⴀഊ Who wishes his soon to be Ex-wife would give him back the dirty rocks! ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 欀攀氀氀漀最最 愀琀 爀漀栀愀渀⸀猀搀猀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀欀攀氀氀漀最最⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀猀ഊDate: 14 Nov 1996 17:25:08 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀愀渀 䐀椀攀最漀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀椀渀最 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䬀攀渀琀 ⠀搀最欀攀渀琀 愀琀 搀攀愀欀椀渀⸀攀搀甀⸀愀甀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: I am after information, specifically drawings, technical information and ਀㨀 琀栀攀 氀椀欀攀 ⠀愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最℀⤀Ⰰ 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最㨀ഊ ਀㨀       ⴀ䬀爀愀欀 搀攀猀 䌀栀攀瘀愀氀椀攀爀猀ഊ: -Assasin Castles in Iran (Alamut, etc.) ਀ഊ Haven't found anything on those two particular castles. ਀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 挀栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀 吀栀攀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀猀 漀昀ഊWales at . A very well ਀氀愀椀搀 漀甀琀 猀椀琀攀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最猀 猀栀漀眀椀渀最 琀栀攀 攀瘀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 洀愀渀礀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀⸀ഊThe views of Chepstow, for example, are very nice. ਀ഊ Try Castles on the Web at I'll tell you this, friend: I've spent the last seven years ਀㸀 搀攀猀椀最渀椀渀最 洀礀 栀漀洀攀 ⠀礀攀琀 琀漀 戀攀 戀甀椀氀琀Ⰰ 䤀 洀椀最栀琀 愀搀搀⤀⸀  䤀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 ഊ> Neuschwanstein, as a general model, and found that detailed drawings ਀㸀 漀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 眀漀爀欀猀 漀昀 愀爀琀 椀猀 攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 甀渀愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀一漀琀 攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 琀爀甀攀⸀  䄀氀洀漀猀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 漀瀀攀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 栀愀猀ഊfloor plans published in tour guides for the site. There is also a ਀挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 琀栀愀琀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀猀 愀 猀攀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 瀀愀洀瀀栀氀攀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 洀愀瀀猀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀ഊcastles. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the file that has this ਀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀 ⠀栀愀爀搀 搀爀椀瘀攀 挀爀愀猀栀攀搀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀⤀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀ഊnumerous scholarly books on architecture that contains the information you ਀猀攀攀欀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 䤀 眀爀椀琀攀 䤀 愀洀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀琀 愀 猀挀愀氀攀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀礀漀甀琀 漀昀 䬀爀愀欀 搀攀猀ഊChevaliers published in Kelly DeVries' "Medieval Military Technology" ਀⠀瀀⸀㈀㌀㄀⤀⸀  吀栀椀猀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 戀漀漀欀 栀愀猀 氀愀礀漀甀琀 昀漀爀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 昀攀眀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䜀漀琀琀昀爀椀攀搀ഊ+--------------------------------+----------------------------------+ ਀簀 䨀攀昀昀 䠀攀椀渀攀渀                    簀  ∀一攀挀挀攀猀猀椀琀愀猀 渀漀渀 栀愀戀攀琀 氀攀最攀洀⸀∀  簀ഊ| jheinen at mcl.ucsb.edu | -St. Augustine | ਀簀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀愀氀瀀漀氀礀⸀攀搀甀⼀縀樀栀攀椀渀攀渀簀                                  簀ഊ|================================+==================================| ਀簀 䐀攀瀀愀爀琀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀          簀      匀攀渀椀漀爀 䌀漀渀猀甀氀琀愀渀琀           簀ഊ| University of California | Microcomputer Lab | ਀簀 匀愀渀琀愀 䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀                  簀      唀䌀匀䈀                        簀ഊ+--------------------------------+----------------------------------+ ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㄀㨀㄀㔀㨀　㠀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: VEARLEY at aol.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䌀漀渀挀爀攀琀攀ⴀ伀昀昀 琀漀瀀椀挀ഊ ਀䤀 瘀椀猀椀琀攀搀 愀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 椀渀 䌀漀氀挀栀攀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀 挀栀椀氀搀⸀  圀攀 眀攀爀攀 猀栀漀眀渀 琀栀攀ഊlevels of buildings underneath it. One of the layers was Roman, and the ਀最甀椀搀攀 氀攀琀 甀猀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 刀漀洀愀渀 ✀挀漀渀挀爀攀琀攀✀⸀  䠀攀 猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊRomans made was not the same as our modern concrete. It is much stronger and ਀栀愀猀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 挀漀洀瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀⸀  䄀琀 琀栀愀琀 瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 渀漀琀 昀椀最甀爀攀搀 漀甀琀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀ഊwhat is was, although I'm sure they have by now. I believe Roman-built roads ਀愀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 爀甀爀愀氀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀⸀ ഊ ਀                         嘀攀爀攀渀愀ഊ vearley at aol.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀椀猀攀 愀渀搀 䴀愀爀瘀椀渀 䠀甀氀氀 㰀挀愀猀琀氀攀猀甀 愀琀 栀愀爀戀漀爀猀椀搀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀ഊDate: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:45:39 -0700 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀猀 唀渀氀椀洀椀琀攀搀ഊ ਀䌀圀攀戀戀㄀㄀㐀㔀㠀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀 愀洀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 椀渀昀漀 漀渀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀⸀ 愀渀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 椀渀昀漀 漀渀 挀愀猀琀氀攀ഊ> names and floor plans (please send to my e-mail CWebb11458 at aol.com.) ਀㸀                                 吀栀愀渀砀ⴀഊ> Emily ਀ഊCheck out my website, Castles of Britain, at ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀愀猀琀氀攀猀ⴀ漀昀ⴀ戀爀椀琀愀椀渀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊWe have floorplans etc. in the school projects section. While this ਀猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀渀搀攀搀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀 椀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 愀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 ഊavailable to adults. contact me directly for more info. ਀ഊLise Hull ਀䌀愀猀琀氀攀猀 唀渀氀椀洀椀琀攀搀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:18:18 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀氀攀砀 圀漀氀氀愀渀最欀 㰀漀爀椀漀渀 愀琀 洀愀椀氀戀愀最⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: RE: SC -cooling Creme' Bastarde ਀ഊHmmm.... ਀ഊI'm looking at the CADW (Welsh Historic Monuments) booklet on Caernarfon ਀愀渀搀 搀漀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀攀猀 愀 挀漀漀氀椀渀最 爀漀漀洀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 礀漀甀 ഊdescribed... ਀ഊIn fact, the entire excerpt about the kitchens is as follows: ਀ഊ "To the west (right) of the King's Gate lies the lower ward. Note the ਀昀漀甀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀爀漀愀搀 眀愀氀氀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 椀渀琀攀渀搀攀搀 琀漀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 眀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ ഊand of the buildings which formerly occupied the ward, concealing the lower ਀瀀愀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀渀挀氀漀猀椀渀最 挀甀爀琀愀椀渀 眀愀氀氀猀⸀  䄀猀 礀漀甀 眀愀氀欀 搀漀眀渀 琀漀眀愀爀搀猀 琀栀攀 䔀愀最氀攀 ഊTower you will come first, on your right, to the site of the castle ਀欀椀琀挀栀攀渀猀Ⰰ 氀礀椀渀最 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 最愀琀攀栀漀甀猀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 圀攀氀氀 吀漀眀攀爀⸀  吀栀攀 猀瀀爀椀渀最攀爀 漀昀 ഊa great arch and bonding for a cross partition, both built as part of the ਀挀甀爀琀愀椀渀 眀愀氀氀Ⰰ 猀栀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀琀攀渀搀攀搀 琀漀 戀甀椀氀搀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 椀渀 猀琀漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊthe slight foundation walls on the courtyard side suggest that, as built, ਀琀栀攀猀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀猀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 昀氀椀洀猀礀 猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀攀猀⸀ഊ To the lift of the range of three rooms are the remains of seatings for ਀琀眀漀 挀漀瀀瀀攀爀 挀愀甀氀搀爀漀渀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 昀椀爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀猀 戀攀氀漀眀 琀栀攀洀⸀  䈀攀栀椀渀搀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 ഊthickness of the tower wall, is a cavity which may have been used for ਀猀洀漀欀椀渀最 洀攀愀琀⸀  䄀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀 漀渀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀ⴀ栀愀渀搀 猀椀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 ഊcavity is a small hole marking the end of a water channel running from a ਀琀愀渀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 圀攀氀氀 吀漀眀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀攀氀漀眀 椀琀 椀猀 愀 搀爀愀椀渀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 漀昀昀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀攀昀琀⸀ ഊ In the window openings at the back of the range there is the line of a ਀猀攀挀漀渀搀 挀栀愀渀渀攀氀Ⰰ 猀琀椀氀氀 戀攀愀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 漀昀 椀琀猀 氀攀愀搀 瀀椀瀀椀渀最Ⰰ 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 ഊthe tower to a stone sink, now much weathered, mounted in a recess in the ਀眀愀氀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀愀渀最攀⸀  䤀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀 戀攀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀 猀琀漀渀攀 ഊspringer, on the right, is the small opening for a rubbish disposal shaft ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀 琀栀椀挀欀渀攀猀猀⸀  吀栀攀 愀挀挀漀洀漀搀愀琀椀漀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀ⴀ栀愀渀搀 攀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 ഊapartments was of two storeys; a doorway in the curtain wall opens onto a ਀猀琀愀椀爀 眀栀椀挀栀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 琀栀攀 甀瀀瀀攀爀 爀漀漀洀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 最愀琀攀栀漀甀猀攀⸀∀ഊ ਀戀礀 䄀爀渀漀氀搀 吀愀礀氀漀爀 䌀䈀䔀Ⰰ 䐀䰀椀琀琀Ⰰ 䘀䈀䄀ഊ(c) Cadw: Welsh Historic Monuments ਀䈀爀甀渀攀氀 䠀漀甀猀攀Ⰰ ㈀ 䘀椀琀稀愀氀愀渀 刀漀愀搀Ⰰ 䌀䄀刀䐀䤀䘀䘀Ⰰ 䌀䘀㈀ ㄀唀夀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀猀漀 琀愀氀欀攀搀 琀漀 愀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀搀 琀漀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 ഊof other castles in north wales including Beaumaris, and he doesn't ਀爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀氀猀漀 挀栀攀挀欀攀搀 琀栀攀 䌀愀搀眀 眀攀戀 猀椀琀攀 椀渀 挀愀猀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 ഊsince Jack was there and thus before the booklet he brought back was ਀瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 ⠀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀愀猀琀氀攀眀愀氀攀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀栀漀洀攀⸀栀琀洀氀⤀ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 昀椀渀搀 ഊanything there either. ਀ഊI would be interested to know exactly where you are getting this ਀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀攀砀 圀漀氀氀愀渀最欀ഊ(Bran MacDavid would know nothing of this kind of research... Though he ਀洀愀礀 瘀攀爀礀 眀攀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀渀愀爀昀漀渀⸀⸀⸀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:07:50 EDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀愀搀礀倀䐀䌀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: SC -cooling Creme' Bastarde ਀ഊorion at mailbag.com writes: ਀㸀 䤀 愀氀猀漀 挀栀攀挀欀攀搀 琀栀攀 䌀愀搀眀 眀攀戀 猀椀琀攀 椀渀 挀愀猀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 ഊ> since Jack was there and thus before the booklet he brought back was ਀㸀  瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 ⠀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀愀猀琀氀攀眀愀氀攀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀栀漀洀攀⸀栀琀洀氀⤀ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 昀椀渀搀 ഊ> anything there either. ਀㸀  ഊ> I would be interested to know exactly where you are getting this ਀㸀  椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀  䄀氀攀砀 圀漀氀氀愀渀最欀ഊ> (Bran MacDavid would know nothing of this kind of research... Though he ਀㸀  洀愀礀 瘀攀爀礀 眀攀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀渀愀爀昀漀渀⸀⸀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䤀爀漀渀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 眀攀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 椀渀 洀甀挀栀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀 ⸀⸀⸀ 琀栀愀琀 戀攀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ഊcastlewales.com page. Wonderful site that. ਀ഊIn my case, I had originally wanted to make my pastry castle subtlety ਀爀攀猀攀洀戀氀攀 愀渀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 愀猀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 搀漀渀攀 椀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀椀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  䤀 ഊchose the Caernarfon Castle because it was the site of the investiture of the ਀昀椀爀猀琀 ∀倀爀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 圀愀氀攀猀∀ 愀渀搀 洀愀渀礀 猀椀渀挀攀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀洀椀猀攀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ ഊeven though the castle was not completed at the time of that investiture, the ਀挀漀漀欀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 最爀愀渀搀 猀甀戀琀氀攀琀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 ഊmight want to produce a castle as it would one day be completed. ਀ഊFor that reason, I contacted by email the CADW and the CSG as well as each of ਀琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀爀椀戀甀琀漀爀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀 漀昀 圀愀氀攀猀 眀攀戀猀椀琀攀 琀漀 愀猀欀 琀栀攀洀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 ഊsend me any information on the castle structure and design both what was done ਀愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 瀀氀愀渀渀攀搀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 渀攀瘀攀爀 栀甀爀琀猀 琀漀 愀猀欀 ഊfor information as the worst you can get is a rejection. ਀ഊSeveral responded, but one was a very nice lady who sent me a package of ਀挀漀瀀椀攀搀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 愀渀搀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 渀椀挀攀 氀攀琀琀攀爀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 眀漀爀欀猀 眀椀琀栀 ഊ"sobtelties" as well and wanted to give me as much information as possible. ਀吀愀氀欀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀瘀攀爀氀漀愀搀⸀  吀栀攀 瀀愀挀欀愀最攀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀搀 ⠀戀攀猀椀搀攀猀 瀀愀洀瀀栀氀攀琀猀 ഊand booklets) copies of architectural studies done at the castle for possible ਀爀攀戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最Ⰰ 挀漀瀀椀攀猀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 搀攀猀椀最渀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀瀀椀攀猀 漀昀 猀琀甀搀椀攀猀 搀漀渀攀 ഊon various components of the castle. Many of the notes and drawings are ਀栀愀渀搀眀爀椀琀琀攀渀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 椀渀 漀氀搀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 愀渀搀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 漀渀攀 椀渀 愀 昀漀爀攀椀最渀 氀愀渀最甀愀最攀 眀椀琀栀 ഊa translation. ਀ഊThe section on the cold room caught in my memory as much for the ਀椀渀挀漀渀猀椀猀琀攀渀挀椀攀猀 愀猀 昀漀爀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 攀氀猀攀 ⠀䘀愀栀爀攀渀栀攀椀琀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 䌀攀氀猀椀甀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ഊmention of the temp measurements being done with the room closed for 48 ਀栀漀甀爀猀⤀ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀氀礀 戀漀甀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀 琀栀攀 攀砀愀挀琀 焀甀漀琀攀猀 爀椀最栀琀 渀漀眀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 洀礀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 ഊworking on a castle reconstruction project and has taken the box on the road ਀眀椀琀栀 栀椀洀 ⠀伀吀刀 琀爀甀挀欀 搀爀椀瘀攀爀⤀ 琀漀 猀琀甀搀礀⸀  圀椀氀氀 戀攀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀 ഊwhen he returns. ਀ഊHowever, I can think of several possible reasons that your book and your ਀昀爀椀攀渀搀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 爀攀猀甀氀琀猀 琀栀愀渀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀㨀ഊ ਀㄀⸀  䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 愀 瀀漀爀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 瀀氀愀渀渀攀搀 戀甀琀 渀攀瘀攀爀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀㈀⸀  䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 愀 瀀漀爀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀搀 戀甀琀 搀攀猀琀爀漀礀攀搀 椀渀 ഊthe sacking in 1646. ਀ഊ3. It might be a portion of the castle which is in an unsafe or unrestored ਀愀爀攀愀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀攀 渀漀琀 漀瀀攀渀 漀爀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀⸀ഊ ਀㐀⸀  䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 氀愀搀礀 猀琀甀挀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀挀欀攀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀爀漀渀最 ഊcastle or which was written up by unregulated sources. I admit I only gave ਀椀琀 愀 焀甀椀挀欀 最氀愀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 洀椀猀爀攀愀搀 漀爀 洀椀猀甀渀搀攀爀猀琀漀漀搀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 琀栀愀琀 ഊ(I am certainly not a professional researcher and the thing has footnotes all ਀漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀⤀ഊ ਀䄀渀礀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 椀猀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 洀愀渀礀 洀漀爀攀 戀攀猀椀搀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 䤀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 䤀 眀椀氀氀 氀漀漀欀 椀渀琀漀 椀琀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀砀 爀攀琀甀爀渀猀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀渀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 ഊinto cooling methods used in period. I will be happy to let you all know ਀眀栀愀琀 䤀 昀椀渀搀 漀渀挀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 瘀攀爀椀昀椀攀搀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䈀甀琀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 戀攀 ഊpatient as besides doing the odd A&S thingie, I also hold down 2 full time ਀瀀氀甀猀 樀漀戀猀 愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀洀愀氀氀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀⸀   吀栀椀猀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 昀椀琀猀 椀渀琀漀 ഊmy small amount of "fun" time and I intend that it remain exactly that ... ਀昀甀渀⸀ഊ ਀䌀漀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀 搀攀 䰀愀刀漀猀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:50:22 CEST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀渀愀 瘀愀渀 吀攀琀猀∀ 㰀挀樀瘀琀 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - period ovens ਀ഊA couple of weeks ago I was at a krak (crusader castle) which still had the ਀欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 洀甀挀栀 椀渀琀愀挀琀⸀  圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 爀漀漀昀氀攀猀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 ഊwere 3 beehive/igloo ovens all in a row, about 3 feet across, and maybe ਀愀戀漀甀琀 ㈀ ㄀⼀㈀ 昀攀攀琀 栀椀最栀Ⰰ 瀀氀甀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 昀椀爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀 渀攀砀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 ഊone about 2' square. They were all built into the same wall, and ਀挀漀渀猀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 猀栀愀爀攀搀 漀渀攀 瘀攀爀礀 眀椀搀攀 挀栀椀洀渀攀礀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 爀漀漀洀 眀栀椀挀栀 ഊheld the mouths of the ovens, and a small room maybe 8' across which held ਀琀栀攀 栀椀瘀攀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀瀀攀渀 昀椀爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀 愀渀搀Ⰰ 䤀䤀刀䌀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 ഊbench arrangement. Leaving aside the bench bit (oh dear, I'll just have to ਀最漀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 挀栀攀挀欀⸀⸀⸀⤀Ⰰ 眀栀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀Ⰰ 瘀攀爀礀 栀漀琀 爀漀漀洀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 ഊopen fire? What might it have been used for? The other was specifically ਀猀琀愀琀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀⸀ഊ ਀䴀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀爀愀欀 愀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㌀ 昀攀攀琀 琀栀椀挀欀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最猀 愀爀攀 ഊvery cool inside, but I still wouldn't want to be in that tiny room in ਀猀甀洀洀攀爀⸀  圀椀渀琀攀爀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀⸀  䴀愀礀戀攀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 甀猀攀 椀琀 愀猀 愀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 ഊyeast-culture room in winter (i.e. beer as well as bread). There are ਀昀椀爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀猀 漀爀 猀洀漀欀攀栀漀氀攀猀 椀渀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 猀漀挀椀愀氀 爀漀漀洀 椀渀 攀愀挀栀 欀爀愀欀 眀攀✀瘀攀 ഊvisited. This place gets cold in winter (well, not like Europe, but it ਀猀渀漀眀猀⤀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 椀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 猀琀漀爀礀 ⠀眀攀✀爀攀 渀漀琀 攀瘀攀渀 椀渀琀漀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 ഊyet, and averaging 40 deg C at present). ਀ഊCairistiona ਀ഊP.S. The castle also boasts a stone bath - huge - you could fit 2 in it ਀焀甀椀琀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀⸀  吀栀漀猀攀 挀爀甀猀愀搀攀爀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀倀⸀倀⸀匀⸀  䄀氀猀漀 猀漀洀攀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 漀昀 愀 猀洀椀琀栀礀⸀  一漀琀 洀甀挀栀Ⰰ 愀瀀愀爀琀 昀爀漀洀 愀 琀攀洀瀀攀爀椀渀最 ഊbath. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㤀 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　　 　　㨀㄀㐀㨀㈀㈀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Sally Burnell" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: Michael Crichton and the 14th Century ਀ഊ> Michael Crichton's new book, "Timeline", is partially set in the 14th ਀㸀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀  伀渀 瀀愀最攀 ㈀㌀㘀Ⰰ 栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀猀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 愀洀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 栀攀ഊ> is speaking from fact or fancy. ਀㸀ഊ> "It was a peculiarity of medieval scholarship in the twentieth century that ਀㸀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 愀 猀椀渀最氀攀 挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀礀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀漀眀攀搀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀 漀昀ഊ> a fourteenth-century castle looked like. Not a painting, or an illuminated ਀㸀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 椀洀愀最攀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀 渀漀琀攀戀漀漀欀 猀欀攀琀挀栀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 愀琀 愀氀氀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> time. The earliest images of fourteenth-century life had actually been made ਀㸀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀猀 ⴀⴀ 愀渀搀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀猀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀礀ഊ> portrayed were correct for the fifteenth century, not the fourteenth. ਀ഊWell, now, I would kind of have to take issue with that statement. I read ਀琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 挀漀洀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀愀琀 瀀愀爀琀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀渀搀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最Ⰰ ∀䜀攀攀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀ഊwhat the heck does he mean by that? Things could not have changed THAT much ਀戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 愀渀搀 ㄀㔀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀 ㄀㔀琀栀 挀⸀ 椀洀愀最攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 吀䠀䄀吀 昀愀爀ഊoff from a 14th c. image, could it?" ਀ഊIn Folio 2 of "Le Cueur d'Amours Espris" there is a scene in a bedchamber ਀琀栀愀琀 漀渀攀 愀猀猀甀洀攀猀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 愀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 猀漀爀琀⸀ 䜀爀愀渀琀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀ഊis a 15th c. French MS. and not a 14th c. one, but still, it does give one ਀愀渀 椀搀攀愀 栀漀眀 愀 䴀攀搀椀愀攀瘀愀氀 爀漀漀洀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀瀀瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 戀攀搀挀栀愀洀戀攀爀 猀栀漀眀渀ഊin the MS. image is that of King RenÈ of France, so one assumes this is ਀椀渀猀椀搀攀 愀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 猀漀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀 椀昀 䤀 搀甀最 搀攀攀瀀攀爀 椀渀琀漀 洀漀爀攀 漀昀 洀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 䤀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 䴀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀猀Ⰰ 䤀ഊcould find other examples. ਀ഊSo on that count, Crichton is wrong. Even though I did love his book. ਀ഊ~Saradwen ਀  䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:21:21 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 圀愀爀爀攀渀 ☀ 䴀攀爀攀搀椀琀栀 䠀愀爀洀漀渀 㰀猀椀氀瘀攀爀漀愀欀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䌀爀椀挀栀琀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 椀琀✀猀 昀爀漀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 挀栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀 瀀椀挀猀 漀昀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀✀猀 䔀氀琀稀ഊCastle. I have a picture of a bedroom in which the walls and ceiling are ਀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 椀渀 愀 瘀椀渀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 渀漀琀 愀 嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀渀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀ഊdon't know when it's from! Of course, the book doesn't say.... ਀ഊTime-Life Books, _What Life Was Like in the Age of Chivalry: Medieval ਀䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 䄀䐀 㠀　　ⴀ㄀㔀　　开Ⰰ 䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㜀㠀㌀㔀ⴀ㔀㐀㔀㄀ⴀ㘀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䌀愀爀漀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:08:09 +0000 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀洀礀 䈀攀琀稀 㰀椀搀栀甀渀渀愀 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: SCA-ARTS at UKANS.EDU ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䌀爀椀挀栀琀漀渀⼀㄀㐀琀栀 挀⸀ 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀猀㼀ഊ ਀㸀㸀㸀䤀渀最瘀愀氀搀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊMichael Crichton's new book, "Timeline", is partially set in the 14th ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀  伀渀 瀀愀最攀 ㈀㌀㘀Ⰰ 栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀猀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 愀洀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 ഊhe is speaking from fact or fancy. ਀ഊ"It was a peculiarity of medieval scholarship in the twentieth century that ਀琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 愀 猀椀渀最氀攀 挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀礀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀漀眀攀搀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀 漀昀ഊa fourteenth-century castle looked like. Not a painting, or an illuminated ਀洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 椀洀愀最攀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀 渀漀琀攀戀漀漀欀 猀欀攀琀挀栀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 愀琀 愀氀氀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀愀琀ഊtime. The earliest images of fourteenth-century life had actually been made ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀猀 ⴀⴀ 愀渀搀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀猀 ⴀⴀ ഊthey protrayed were correct for the fifteenth century, not the fourteenth. ਀ഊAs a result, no modern scholar knew what furniture was used, how walls were ਀搀攀挀漀爀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 漀爀 栀漀眀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 搀爀攀猀猀攀搀 愀渀搀 戀攀栀愀瘀攀搀⸀  吀栀攀 愀戀猀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀ഊso complete that when the apartments of King Edward I were excavated in the ਀吀漀眀攀爀 漀昀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 爀攀挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀攀搀 眀愀氀氀猀 栀愀搀 琀漀 戀攀 氀攀昀琀 愀猀 攀砀瀀漀猀攀搀 瀀氀愀猀琀攀爀Ⰰഊbecause no one could say what decorations might have been there. ਀ഊThis was also why artists' reconstructions of the fourteenth century tended ਀琀漀 猀栀漀眀 戀氀攀愀欀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀猀Ⰰ 爀漀漀洀猀 眀椀琀栀 戀愀爀攀 眀愀氀氀猀 愀渀搀 昀攀眀 昀甀爀渀椀猀栀椀渀最猀 ⴀⴀ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀ഊa chair, or a chest -- but not much else. The very absense of contemporary ਀椀洀愀最攀爀礀 眀愀猀 琀愀欀攀渀 琀漀 椀洀瀀氀礀 愀 猀瀀愀爀猀攀渀攀猀猀 琀漀 氀椀昀攀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀椀洀攀⸀∀ഊ>>> ਀ഊWhether Michael Crichton writes from fantasy or fact, I cannot answer. I ਀栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 搀椀爀攀挀琀 椀洀愀最攀猀 漀昀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀猀 搀攀瀀椀挀琀椀渀最 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 氀椀昀攀⸀  ഊWhat I do have is my all time favorite rare book find called, "Chillon, La ਀䌀愀洀攀爀愀 䐀漀洀椀渀椀Ⰰ 氀愀 挀栀愀洀戀爀攀 搀攀猀 挀漀洀琀攀猀 攀琀 搀攀猀 搀甀挀猀 搀攀 猀愀瘀漀椀攀∀ 戀礀 䄀氀戀攀爀琀 一愀攀昀Ⰰ ഊGeneve(1908). ਀ഊIt goes into great details on the architectural structures and the interiors ਀漀昀 䌀栀椀氀氀漀渀⸀   䌀栀椀氀氀漀渀 眀愀猀 戀甀椀氀琀 椀渀 愀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀椀挀 猀琀礀氀攀 漀渀 愀渀 椀猀氀愀渀搀 漀渀 䰀愀欀攀 ഊGeneva in Switzerland approx. late 10th century. The Duke's tower was ਀愀搀搀攀搀 ㄀㄀琀栀 挀⸀ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀⸀ 伀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 搀攀瀀椀挀琀攀搀 ഊon almost all possible surfaces. Anything that was wood was carved with ਀搀攀挀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀㬀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 椀渀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀攀搀爀漀漀洀 挀栀愀洀戀攀爀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀Ⰰ ഊandirons in the firplace had womens faces cast on their surface and yes, ਀琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 昀爀攀猀挀漀攀猀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 漀渀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀猀Ⰰ 挀攀椀氀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀猀 愀渀搀 ഊfronts of fireplaces. Patterns include checkerboard, chevrons, stripes, ਀搀漀琀猀 漀爀 琀椀渀礀 挀椀爀挀氀攀猀Ⰰ㔀 瀀攀琀愀氀 昀氀漀眀攀爀猀⠀氀椀欀攀 琀栀漀猀攀 戀愀琀栀琀甀戀 搀攀挀愀氀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ഊ1970's),triangles on curves, repeats of tiny fleur de lies and/or ਀挀爀漀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ椀瘀礀ⴀ瘀椀渀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀Ⰰ 爀漀猀攀 瘀椀渀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 眀椀琀栀 漀瀀攀渀 昀氀漀眀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 戀甀搀猀Ⰰ ഊcrusader shields around a door frame(or the flag of Switzerland?), fake ਀搀漀漀爀眀愀礀猀Ⰰ 昀愀欀攀 猀琀漀渀攀眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 搀爀愀瀀攀爀礀昀漀氀搀猀 眀椀琀栀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀Ⰰ 爀攀瀀攀愀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊdesign of ornamental ironwork on doors in a border for a room. Then there ਀愀爀攀 洀愀渀礀 爀漀漀洀 猀椀稀攀 洀甀爀愀氀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 愀 氀攀漀瀀愀爀搀Ⰰ 愀 氀椀漀渀Ⰰ ഊbulls, bears, a camel, antelope, a griffin and a dragon., all possessing at ਀氀攀愀猀琀 漀渀攀 琀爀攀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀⸀  琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀 洀愀渀 漀渀 栀漀爀猀攀戀愀挀欀 ഊkilling what looks to be an anteater(?)surrounded by branches of several ਀琀礀瀀攀猀 漀昀 琀爀攀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀 搀椀愀瀀攀爀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 漀昀 昀氀攀甀爀 搀攀 氀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀欀礀⸀ 䴀愀渀礀 漀昀 ഊthe dates are c. XIII-1346 and some specifically noted additions done in ਀㄀㔀㠀㜀⸀   愀氀愀猀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 椀猀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 椀渀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 猀漀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 戀攀攀渀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 爀攀愀搀 ഊmuch of it, just what I could decipher. ਀吀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 眀愀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 ㄀㤀　㠀 椀渀 戀氀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 眀栀椀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 ഊplates attached to the pages. I guess it would not be considered a primary ਀猀漀甀爀挀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀⼀㄀㔀琀栀 挀 Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀 最椀瘀攀猀 愀渀 椀渀昀椀渀椀琀攀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 ഊdetails into the art of the time period. ਀ഊIdhunna ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㌀　 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㘀㨀　㌀㨀　㈀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Carol Thomas ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Crichton/14th c. interiors? ਀ഊI asked on the needlework list about wall coverings in the 14th c. Here ਀愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀∀䌀栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀 开䘀椀瘀攀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 吀愀瀀攀猀琀爀礀开Ⰰ 䄀渀渀愀 䜀⸀ 䈀攀渀渀攀琀琀Ⰰ 椀猀戀渀ഊ0-88401-019-8, 1976. This book lists several early tapestries: the ਀䌀氀漀琀栀 漀昀 匀琀⸀ 䜀攀爀攀漀渀 ⠀䌀漀氀漀最渀攀Ⰰ ㄀㄀琀栀 挀⤀Ⰰ 吀栀攀 䈀愀氀搀椀猀栀漀氀 漀昀 一漀爀眀愀礀 ⠀㄀㄀琀栀 琀漀ഊ13th c) and the Halberstadt pieces (12th-13th c). I also believe the ਀∀一椀渀攀 䠀攀爀漀攀猀∀ 琀愀瀀攀猀琀爀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䌀氀漀椀猀琀攀爀猀 椀猀 瀀爀攀ⴀ㄀㔀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀    吀栀攀ഊApocalypse tapestry is also late 14th century. Paris and other towns ਀眀攀爀攀 攀砀琀爀攀洀攀氀礀 戀甀猀礀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀椀渀最 琀愀瀀攀猀琀爀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 渀漀戀椀氀椀琀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀⸀ ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 琀爀礀 开䜀漀琀栀椀挀 倀愀椀渀琀椀渀最开Ⰰ 䐀甀瀀漀渀琀 愀渀搀 䜀渀甀搀椀Ⰰ 椀猀戀渀 　ⴀ㠀㜀㐀㠀ⴀ　㈀㈀㘀ⴀ㐀 ㄀㤀㜀㤀⸀ ഊGiotto's "The Annunciation to St Anne", (Fresco, 1304-1306) clearly ਀猀栀漀眀猀 栀愀渀最椀渀最 瀀愀渀攀氀猀 漀渀 爀漀搀猀Ⰰ 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 漀瘀攀爀 愀 戀攀搀⸀  吀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 琀漀ഊbe embroidered or decorated, merely curtains of white cloth. ਀䰀漀爀攀渀稀攀琀琀椀✀猀 ∀匀漀戀愀挀✀猀 䐀爀攀愀洀∀Ⰰ ⠀倀愀渀攀氀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 倀爀攀搀攀氀氀愀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䌀愀爀洀椀渀攀ഊAltarpiece, 1328-1329) also shows white cloth being used to separate a ਀猀氀攀攀瀀椀渀最 愀爀攀愀 漀昀昀⸀  吀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀 琀栀攀 挀氀漀琀栀 栀愀猀 戀愀渀搀猀 漀昀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊappears to be suspended from a rope stretched between a wall and ਀瀀椀氀氀愀爀⸀  䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 琀攀氀氀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 眀漀瘀攀渀 漀爀ഊembroidered. A similar banded curtain is found in Giovanni da Milano's ਀∀吀栀攀 䈀椀爀琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 嘀椀爀最椀渀∀ ⠀昀爀攀猀挀漀Ⰰ ㄀㌀㘀㔀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 䈀漀漀欀猀 漀昀 䠀漀甀爀猀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 漀昀 搀椀愀瀀攀爀椀渀最 ⠀吀爀攀猀 刀椀挀栀攀猀ഊHeures ~1410, etc. That one's late, but it's the only reproduction I ਀挀愀渀 氀愀礀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀 漀渀 爀椀最栀琀 渀漀眀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 猀栀漀眀 挀氀漀琀栀猀 漀瘀攀爀 戀攀渀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 戀攀栀椀渀搀ഊthrones, making up the backdrop for a dias, over alters and such. I ਀搀漀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 愀渀礀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀猀 椀渀 洀礀 焀甀椀挀欀 氀漀漀欀ⴀ猀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 洀椀洀椀挀 愀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 漀爀ഊthematic tapestry such as the ones found in the Five Centuries book." ਀ഊ"Schuette has multiple examples of embroidered tapestry work before the 14thc. ਀吀漀漀 洀甀氀琀椀瀀氀攀 琀漀 氀椀猀琀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀 愀爀攀 氀椀猀琀攀搀 愀猀 昀爀愀最洀攀渀琀猀⸀  吀眀漀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 愀爀攀ഊpage 24 "ornamental hanging, flight of eagles belonging to Alexander the ਀䜀爀攀愀琀               匀漀甀琀栀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀 ㄀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀∀ 挀漀渀昀氀椀挀琀椀渀最 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀ഊgiven on the next page for the cushion cover of the same to the first half ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 ㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 瀀愀最攀 ㈀㘀 ∀琀栀攀 挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 琀愀瀀攀猀琀爀礀Ⰰ 䌀愀琀愀氀漀渀椀愀Ⰰ ㄀㄀琀栀ⴀ㄀㈀琀栀ഊcentury" more if you look. ਀ഊ"This is just on the cusp of what you want, but don't forget the c.1400 ਀䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀 漀昀 䬀愀礀 匀琀愀渀椀氀愀渀搀✀猀 开䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 ഊCraftsmen: Embroiderers_, which shows two embroiderers at work, inside, on ਀琀眀漀 攀洀戀爀漀椀搀攀爀攀搀 栀愀渀最椀渀最猀⸀  吀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 漀渀 瀀愀最攀 ㈀㜀 漀昀 ഊthe book." ਀ഊCarllein ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 　㌀ 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㄀ 　　㨀㐀㐀㨀㈀㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: rmhowe ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Michael Crichton and the 14th Century ਀ഊJust so we can end the debate on a rather ridiculous statement: ਀ഊI took a look in ਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀 䄀爀琀Ⰰ 䄀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 愀爀琀 椀渀 㤀　　 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀ഊstudies From the Gothic to the Present Day, edited by Ingo F. Walther. ਀䈀愀爀渀攀猀 愀渀搀 一漀戀氀攀 䈀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀Ⰰ ㈀　　　Ⰰ 䤀匀䈀一 　㜀㘀　㜀㈀㈀㤀㐀㌀Ⰰ 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀ഊcopyright 1995 Benedict Taschen Verlag GmbH, Koln. 760pp.. ਀ഊMichael Crichton should take a look. ਀䔀瘀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 氀愀爀最攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀搀洀椀琀琀攀搀氀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 攀渀挀漀洀瀀愀猀猀洀攀渀琀 椀渀ഊstudies, there are several interiors from the 1300's. ਀ഊPietro Lorenzetti's Birth of the Virgin, 1342, from Sienna Cathedral, ਀琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀 漀渀 眀漀漀搀Ⰰ 搀攀瀀椀挀琀猀 琀眀漀 爀漀漀洀猀 漀渀 愀 琀爀礀瀀琀礀挀栀⸀ 䤀渀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀攀爀 爀漀漀洀ഊon the left are seated Joachim and his companion and a boy. ਀ഊIn the center and right panel are Anna lying on a yellow and black ਀瀀氀愀椀搀 戀氀愀渀欀攀琀攀搀 栀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 昀漀漀琀戀漀愀爀搀攀搀 戀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀 眀栀椀琀攀 猀栀攀攀琀 渀攀愀琀氀礀 ഊfolded over at the top, a red embroidered, green tasseled pillow, ਀漀渀 眀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 眀栀椀琀攀 瀀椀氀氀漀眀 眀椀琀栀 最漀氀搀 戀漀爀搀攀爀攀搀ഊembroidery. ਀ഊOn the wall hangs a yellow wall hanging on the left wall and rear. ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀漀瀀瀀攀搀 戀礀 爀攀搀 愀渀搀 戀氀愀挀欀 琀爀椀洀 戀攀渀攀愀琀栀 愀 最漀氀搀 攀洀戀爀漀椀搀攀爀攀搀 攀搀最攀⸀ഊThe ceiling is barrel vaulted with blue field and gold stars, diamond ਀眀椀渀搀漀眀猀 ⠀眀椀琀栀 洀甀渀琀椀渀猀⤀ 愀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瘀愀甀氀琀 攀渀搀猀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 挀栀攀猀琀ഊbelow Anna and she is attended by five women, one of whom may be ਀栀漀氀搀椀渀最 愀 昀愀渀挀礀 昀愀渀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 氀椀欀攀 愀 昀氀愀最Ⰰ 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 琀眀漀 愀爀攀 眀愀猀栀椀渀最 䴀愀爀礀ഊin a hexagonal decorated bowl, one adding water thereto from a ewer, ਀愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 瀀攀眀琀攀爀 攀眀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最 愀ഊdraped pillow. The floor is a multicolor tiled design of green-gray, ਀爀攀搀Ⰰ 戀氀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 氀椀最栀琀 礀攀氀氀漀眀 搀攀猀椀最渀 ⴀ 昀氀漀眀攀爀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 搀椀愀洀漀渀搀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀椀渀ഊsquares, within borders. There appears to be a small throw rug as ਀眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ഊThis was simply the nicest. One is proof of misstatement, right? ;) ਀ഊI haven't even bothered to look at my Italian Renaissance Interiors ਀礀攀琀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀最渀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:35:57 EST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 㰀匀攀琀漀渀㄀㌀㔀㔀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 一䔀圀 䐀伀伀䴀䔀匀䐀䄀夀 䈀伀伀䬀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 樀甀猀琀 挀愀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 洀礀 搀攀猀欀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 愀 眀攀戀猀椀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 漀昀 ഊcalatloging and putting on line all of England's castles etc. ਀倀栀椀氀氀椀瀀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀渀渀⸀挀漀洀⼀㈀　　㄀⼀匀吀夀䰀䔀⼀搀攀猀椀最渀⼀　㄀⼀　㤀⼀挀愀瀀琀甀爀椀渀最⸀栀椀猀琀漀爀礀⸀愀瀀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 23 May 2009 21:44:00 +1000 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 娀攀戀攀攀 䨀漀栀渀猀琀漀渀攀 㰀稀攀戀攀攀樀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: [Lochac] google maps: castles and abbeys! ਀吀漀㨀 ∀吀栀攀 匀栀愀洀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 䰀漀挀栀愀挀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀∀ 㰀氀漀挀栀愀挀 愀琀 猀挀愀⸀漀爀最⸀愀甀㸀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀猀琀攀瘀攀渀琀椀氀氀⸀挀漀洀⼀㈀　　㤀⼀　㔀⼀㄀㔀⼀最漀漀最氀攀ⴀ洀愀瀀猀ⴀ漀昀ⴀ洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ⴀ挀愀猀琀氀攀猀ⴀ挀愀琀栀攀搀爀愀氀猀ⴀ愀渀搀ⴀ愀戀戀攀礀猀⼀ഊ ਀∀吀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 洀愀瀀猀 瀀椀渀瀀漀椀渀琀 琀栀攀 氀漀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀Ⰰഊcathedrals, and abbeys in England. You can zoom in for a satellite ਀瘀椀攀眀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 挀氀椀挀欀 琀漀 爀攀愀搀 洀漀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 攀愀挀栀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 愀渀搀ഊits construction timeline." ਀ഊSilfren ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀ 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㠀㨀㐀㠀㨀㔀㘀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀 椀渀 倀爀漀最爀攀猀猀 椀渀 䈀甀爀最甀渀搀礀Ⰰ 䘀爀愀渀挀攀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀ഊSharon Gordon wrote: ਀㸀 㔀　 挀爀愀昀琀猀洀攀渀 瀀氀甀猀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀猀⸀  吀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 ㄀　 礀攀愀爀猀ഊ> and are about 1/3 finished ਀㸀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀洀礀琀攀氀甀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀琀爀愀瘀攀氀⼀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀⸀搀漀㼀瀀愀最攀䤀䐀㴀栀漀洀攀☀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀䤀䐀㴀㈀㌀㘀㤀㔀㐀㜀☀氀椀搀㴀栀瀀㈀ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀✀洀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 眀椀氀氀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀猀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀 愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ> early rooms and have cooking demos, or cook lunch for the workers on ਀㸀 愀 搀愀椀氀礀 戀愀猀椀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀礀✀瘀攀 最漀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 眀攀戀猀椀琀攀⸀ 䄀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 唀匀 攀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 洀礀 挀漀渀猀漀爀琀ഊwas thinking of leaving the US... i was trying to convince him that ਀䜀甀攀搀攀氀漀渀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀 琀漀 洀漀瘀攀⸀ 䈀甀琀 栀攀 漀渀氀礀 猀瀀攀愀欀猀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀ഊunwilling to take a chance... sigh. ਀ഊhttp://www.guedelon.com/uk/presentation/presentation.php ਀ⴀⴀ ഊUrtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM) ਀琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀 昀漀爀洀攀爀氀礀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 䄀渀愀栀椀琀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:25:00 +1200 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀椀氀愀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀猀 㰀氀椀氀愀爀 愀琀 椀栀甀最⸀挀漀⸀渀稀㸀ഊSubject: [Lochac] [Fwd: [BBC NEWS | UK | England | Kent | King's tower ਀ऀ漀昀 ✀戀氀椀渀最✀ 爀攀挀爀攀愀琀攀搀崀ഊTo: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" ਀ഊhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/8177387.stm ਀ഊGreat Tower interior ਀ഊIn pictures: Dover ਀挀愀猀琀氀攀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 漀瀀甀氀攀渀琀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀猀 漀昀 䬀椀渀最 䠀攀渀爀礀 䤀䤀✀猀 䐀漀瘀攀爀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 ഊrecreated by English Heritage in a ?2.45m project lasting two years. ਀ഊThe Kent castle's Great Tower has been brought back to life with almost ਀瀀猀礀挀栀攀搀攀氀椀挀 挀漀氀漀甀爀 愀渀搀 搀爀愀洀愀Ⰰ 椀琀猀 爀攀猀琀漀爀攀爀猀 猀愀椀搀⸀ 䤀琀 爀攀漀瀀攀渀猀 漀渀 匀愀琀甀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 昀漀氀氀漀眀猀 攀砀琀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 戀礀 愀 琀攀愀洀 漀昀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀渀猀 眀栀漀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 挀氀漀猀攀氀礀 ഊwith artists and craftspeople. ਀ഊEnglish Heritage said the castle had been a palace of "Versace-esque bling". ਀ഊIt is thought that King Henry II built the Great Tower to assert his ਀瀀漀眀攀爀 愀琀 愀 琀椀洀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 猀栀爀椀渀攀 琀漀吀栀漀洀愀猀 䈀攀挀欀攀琀 愀琀 䌀愀渀琀攀爀戀甀爀礀 眀愀猀 ഊbecoming increasingly popular, and Dover had become an important focus ਀昀漀爀 瀀椀氀最爀椀洀愀最攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䄀爀挀栀戀椀猀栀漀瀀 眀愀猀 洀甀爀搀攀爀攀搀 戀礀 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最 椀渀 ㄀㄀㜀　⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 䈀攀挀欀攀琀✀猀 搀攀愀琀栀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 欀椀渀最 䰀漀甀椀猀 嘀䤀䤀 洀愀搀攀 愀 瀀椀氀最爀椀洀愀最攀 琀漀 ഊCanterbury in 1179. ਀ഊSinech. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㤀 　㘀㨀㐀㘀㨀㄀　 ⬀㄀　　　ഊFrom: Zebee Johnstone ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䰀漀挀栀愀挀崀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀ഊTo: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" ਀ഊhttp://www.topcastles.com/ see castles, rate castles..... There's ਀爀愀琀栀攀爀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀戀漀甀琀℀ഊ ਀一甀洀戀攀爀 ㄀ 椀猀 䬀爀愀欀 搀攀猀 䌀栀攀瘀愀氀椀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 ㈀ 椀猀 䌀愀爀挀愀猀漀渀渀攀Ⰰ 渀攀椀琀栀攀爀 漀昀ഊwhich surprise me. I'm still boggled by how *big* they are, look at ਀琀栀攀 愀攀爀椀愀氀 瀀栀漀琀漀 漀昀 䌀愀爀挀愀猀漀渀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀匀椀氀昀爀攀渀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris castles-msg Page 14 of 14 ਀ഊ