disabilities-msg - 9/7/09 ਀ഊDisabilities in the SCA and period, hiding wheelchairs, SCA sign language. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: SCA-SL-art, eyeglasses-msg, sign-lang-msg, 15C-Eyeglsses-art, carts-msg, Dog-Carts-art, SCA-transport-msg, sedan-chairs-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀眀琀 愀琀 戀挀愀爀栀㄀㄀愀⸀戀渀爀⸀挀愀 ⠀䠀攀渀爀礀 吀爀漀甀瀀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Period wheelchairs ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䈀攀氀氀ⴀ一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 刀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 䰀琀搀⸀Ⰰ 伀琀琀愀眀愀Ⰰ 䌀愀渀愀搀愀ഊDate: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 12:28:55 GMT ਀ഊI remember that Graf Sir Shadan, sometime Marshall of the Society, spent one Pennsic being wheeled around in a wheelbarrow... ਀ⴀⴀ ഊHenry Troup - H.Troup at BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: tbarnes at silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 圀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀℀ 䠀漀眀㼀ഊOrganization: Indiana University ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㜀 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㜀㨀㐀㄀㨀㐀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀ऀ䄀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䜀眀礀渀渀椀猀 䴀漀漀渀挀愀琀 搀椀猀最甀椀猀攀搀 栀攀爀 倀䴀嘀ഊas a yak, by hanging lots and lots of yarn, bells and other Mongolian ਀搀愀渀最氀椀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 椀琀⸀  ഊ I personally see no particular need for period looking ਀眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀 ⠀攀猀瀀⸀ 猀椀渀挀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀 琀攀渀搀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 戀甀氀欀礀⤀⸀ഊIf we can selectively ignore glasses, orthodontia and othopedic braces, ਀眀攀 挀愀渀 氀攀愀爀渀 琀漀 猀攀氀攀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 椀最渀漀爀攀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀甀挀栀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀猀⸀ഊTo do otherwise sounds to me like a form of prejudice because most foot ਀洀漀戀椀氀攀 昀漀氀欀猀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 眀椀琀栀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䰀漀琀栀愀爀 尀簀⼀ഊ 0 ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 圀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀℀ 䠀漀眀㼀ഊDate: 27 Aug 1993 18:42:15 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀琀栀漀洀愀猀 眀爀攀渀琀洀漀爀攀 戀愀爀渀攀猀 㰀琀戀愀爀渀攀猀 愀琀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀⸀甀挀猀⸀椀渀搀椀愀渀愀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> A couple of years ago Mistress Gwynnis Mooncat disguised her PMV ਀㸀愀猀 愀 礀愀欀Ⰰ 戀礀 栀愀渀最椀渀最 氀漀琀猀 愀渀搀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 礀愀爀渀Ⰰ 戀攀氀氀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 䴀漀渀最漀氀椀愀渀ഊ>danglies from it. ਀㸀ऀ䤀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 猀攀攀 渀漀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 渀攀攀搀 昀漀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最ഊ>wheelchairs .... ਀㸀䤀昀 眀攀 挀愀渀 猀攀氀攀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 椀最渀漀爀攀 最氀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀琀栀漀搀漀渀琀椀愀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀漀瀀攀搀椀挀 戀爀愀挀攀猀Ⰰഊ>we can learn to selectively ignore wheelchairs and other such devices. ਀ഊSeems to me an acceptable middle ground would be, not to try to disguise ਀礀漀甀爀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 愀猀 愀 笀礀愀欀Ⰰ栀漀爀猀攀Ⰰ搀漀渀欀攀礀Ⰰ瀀甀猀栀挀愀爀琀紀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀漀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀攀 椀琀ഊas you would your period {yak,horse,donkey,pushcart}. Yarn and bells ਀愀渀搀 䴀漀渀最漀氀椀愀渀 搀愀渀最氀椀攀猀 猀漀甀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 最爀攀愀琀 琀漀 洀攀ⴀⴀ愀氀眀愀礀猀 愀猀猀甀洀椀渀最 椀琀✀猀ഊMongolian that you want to be. Otherwise, I suggest--with the vision ਀椀渀 洀礀 洀椀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀Ⰰ 攀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀攀氀礀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀攀搀 猀氀椀瀀挀漀瘀攀爀猀 昀漀爀ഊdirectors' chairs that I've seen sometimes in the West-- ਀ഊwait for it, wait for it... ਀ഊWHEELCHAIR BARDING. Research the barding, horseblankets, etc. appropriate ਀琀漀 礀漀甀爀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀搀愀瀀琀 愀猀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 琀漀 昀椀琀 琀栀攀 瀀栀礀猀椀焀甀攀 漀昀ഊyour steed. ਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt ਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 圀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀℀ 䠀漀眀㼀ഊDate: 2 Sep 1993 19:30:28 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀䄀一䤀堀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀渀搀 唀渀椀砀Ⰰ 一夀䌀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀䌀䌀䘀䤀䠀渀⸀㄀䰀礀 愀琀 甀猀攀渀攀琀⸀甀挀猀⸀椀渀搀椀愀渀愀⸀攀搀甀㸀Ⰰഊ> I personally see no particular need for period looking ਀㸀眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀 ⠀攀猀瀀⸀ 猀椀渀挀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀 琀攀渀搀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 戀甀氀欀礀⤀⸀ഊ>If we can selectively ignore glasses, orthodontia and othopedic braces, ਀㸀眀攀 挀愀渀 氀攀愀爀渀 琀漀 猀攀氀攀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 椀最渀漀爀攀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀甀挀栀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀猀⸀ഊ>To do otherwise sounds to me like a form of prejudice because most foot ਀㸀洀漀戀椀氀攀 昀漀氀欀猀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 眀椀琀栀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ圀攀氀氀 渀漀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 ⨀渀攀攀搀⨀ 昀漀爀 椀琀 愀渀礀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 昀漀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊglasses on the part of everyone else. However the occupant of the chair ਀洀椀最栀琀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 戀攀 愀渀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀椀琀礀 洀愀瘀攀渀 愀渀搀 眀椀猀栀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ഊaccoutrements. I have seen pictures of Italian Renn wheeled invalid chairs. ਀吀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 眀栀攀攀氀猀 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 漀渀氀礀 最漀漀搀 昀漀爀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀甀猀栀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 漀渀 愀 ഊsmooth surface, but it's somewhere to start. ਀ഊ-Liz ਀ⴀⴀ ഊLiz Stokes | Ilaine's E-Z Garb Workshop ... Okay, now take the fabric ਀䤀氀愀椀渀攀 搀攀 䌀愀洀攀爀漀渀  簀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 氀漀漀洀 ⠀漀爀 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀琀攀渀猀⤀⸀ 䤀琀 渀攀攀搀猀 琀漀 戀攀ഊ | finished. Just find some fullers' earth, a convenient ਀椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀   簀 猀琀爀攀愀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 栀甀猀欀礀 瀀攀愀猀愀渀琀猀 琀漀 瀀漀甀渀搀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 爀漀挀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ck290 at cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chandra L. Morgan-Henley) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Rickshaws and golf carts ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀　 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㈀㄀㨀㔀㄀㨀㐀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) ਀ഊOk, I did some checking around. ਀ഊFor those who, like myself, have difficulty walking, 3-wheeled ਀攀氀攀挀琀爀椀挀 ∀猀挀漀漀琀攀爀猀∀ ⠀氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 猀琀愀爀琀椀渀最 琀漀ഊsee in your neighborhood supermarket/Kmart/WalMart) can be ਀爀攀渀琀攀搀 昀漀爀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ␀㈀　　⼀洀漀渀琀栀 ⠀琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 愀 眀攀攀欀氀礀ഊbasis). ਀ഊI own one, and it's a wonderful thing to have -- I'm really ਀氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀眀愀爀搀 琀漀 甀猀椀渀最 椀琀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀℀  㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀猀㨀ഊ - you always have a place to sit ਀ऀⴀ 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 猀琀爀甀最最氀攀 开漀渀攀开洀漀爀攀开猀琀攀瀀开 甀瀀 琀栀攀 栀椀氀氀ഊ - they are electric (no gas or diesel fumes) ਀ऀⴀ 琀栀攀礀 最漀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀猀 昀愀猀琀 愀猀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀愀氀欀椀渀最 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 搀爀愀眀戀愀挀欀猀㨀ഊ - they have to be recharged every night ਀ऀⴀ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 愀猀 昀愀猀琀 愀猀 最漀氀昀 挀愀爀琀猀ഊ - they only hold 1 person at a time ਀ऀⴀ 挀漀猀琀 ⠀漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀⤀ഊ ਀䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 爀攀渀琀椀渀最 漀渀攀 昀漀爀 甀猀攀 愀琀 瀀攀渀渀猀椀挀Ⰰ 攀ⴀ洀愀椀氀ഊme and we'll correspond. ਀ഊChandra (Cara knows nothing about scooters) ਀ഊ-- ਀䌀栀愀渀搀爀愀 䰀⸀ 䴀漀爀最愀渀ⴀ䠀攀渀氀攀礀ഊck290 at Cleveland.Freenet.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 最爀愀礀 愀琀 挀猀⸀甀洀愀猀猀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䰀礀氀攀 䜀爀愀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀椀最栀琀椀渀最 漀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀ഊDate: 13 Dec 93 13:47:43 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䐀攀瀀琀 漀昀 䌀漀洀瀀 愀渀搀 䤀渀昀漀 匀挀椀Ⰰ 唀渀椀瘀 漀昀 䴀愀猀猀 ⠀䄀洀栀攀爀猀琀⤀ഊ ਀㸀㸀㸀㸀㸀 伀渀 ㄀㈀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㈀㌀㨀㐀　㨀　㠀 䜀䴀吀Ⰰ 最愀开琀攀眀攀猀 愀琀 瀀漀猀琀漀昀昀椀挀攀⸀甀琀愀猀⸀攀搀甀⸀愀甀 ⠀䄀氀攀砀 吀攀眀攀猀⤀ 猀愀椀搀㨀ഊ>> NNTP-Posting-Host: tasuniunio96h43.tuu.utas.edu.au ਀ഊ>> Greetings All! ਀㸀㸀 吀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 椀猀 昀漀爀眀愀爀搀攀搀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀㨀ഊ ਀ഊ>> *******msg starts******* ਀㸀㸀 䘀爀漀洀㨀 一䤀䌀䠀伀䰀䄀匀䴀 愀琀 唀渀搀攀爀搀愀氀攀⸀唀渀椀匀䄀⸀攀搀甀⸀愀甀ഊ>> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 09:57:49 +0930 ਀㸀㸀 匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䘀椀最栀琀椀渀最 椀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀 挀栀愀椀爀ഊ>> To: sca-lochac at dialix.oz.au ਀ഊ>> Greetings to the Known World from Ingerith Ryzka ਀ഊ>> Lord James Ericsson sends warmest greetings to all and requests the ਀㸀㸀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 ഊ>> information: ਀ഊ>> Does anyone know of any heavy fighter who fights or who has fought from a ਀㸀㸀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀㼀ഊ ਀㸀㸀 䴀愀礀 䤀 愀猀欀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 ⠀瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 匀椀氀昀爀攀渀⤀ 琀漀 昀漀爀眀愀爀搀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀 匀挀愀ⴀ圀攀猀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊ>> Rialto ਀㸀㸀 愀猀 洀礀 洀愀椀氀 琀漀 匀挀愀ⴀ圀攀猀琀 椀猀 戀漀甀渀挀椀渀最 愀琀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀挀挀攀猀猀 琀漀ഊ>> the Rialto. ਀ഊ>> Many thanks in advance, ਀ഊ>> Regards ਀ഊ>> Ingerith Ryzka ਀㸀㸀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䤀渀渀椀氀最愀爀搀ഊ>> Principality of Lochac ਀㸀㸀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀ഊ ਀㸀㸀 ⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀洀猀最 攀渀搀猀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊ ਀䤀 栀攀愀爀搀 琀攀氀氀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀椀猀 瀀愀猀琀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 吀甀挀栀甀砀 眀栀漀ഊfought in the field battle one year while in a wheelchair. His bodyguard was ਀漀瘀攀爀爀甀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀渀攀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀瀀瀀漀猀椀渀最 昀漀爀挀攀猀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀昀甀氀氀礀 搀漀瘀攀 漀渀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 栀椀洀ഊto protect him when his wheelchair was accidentally dumped over in the press. ਀ഊSingle combat, I can see it. ਀ഊLyle FitzWilliam ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊLyle H. Gray Internet (personal): gray at cs.umass.edu ਀儀甀漀搀愀琀愀 䌀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀            倀栀漀渀攀㨀 ⠀㈀　㌀⤀ 㜀㈀㠀ⴀ㘀㜀㜀㜀Ⰰ 䘀䄀堀㨀 ⠀㈀　㌀⤀ ㈀㐀㜀ⴀ　㈀㐀㤀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀欀氀漀猀欀礀 愀琀 渀椀琀爀漀⸀洀椀渀攀猀⸀挀漀氀漀爀愀搀漀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Fighting on a wheelchair ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㌀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㤀㨀㈀　㨀㄀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀最愀开琀攀眀攀猀 愀琀 瀀漀猀琀漀昀昀椀挀攀⸀甀琀愀猀⸀攀搀甀⸀愀甀 ⠀䄀氀攀砀 吀攀眀攀猀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ8< snipped question on fighting from a wheelchair ਀ഊSomeone in Storvik help me out; I seem to recall stories of one of the ਀䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀渀 最爀攀愀琀猀 ⠀挀漀甀氀搀 椀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 匀琀爀礀欀攀爀㼀⤀ 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 愀 挀栀愀椀爀 愀琀 ഊa Tourney of the Tower many many years ago due to having some problem with ਀栀椀猀 氀攀最猀㼀 伀爀 椀猀 琀栀椀猀 愀 洀礀琀栀㼀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 匀椀爀 䬀椀攀昀 椀渀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 昀椀最栀琀 昀爀漀洀 愀 挀栀愀椀爀Ⰰ ഊbut from crutches (and his single sword is deadly!). ਀ഊbranwynn ottersby ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀猀挀㄀㤀甀琀 愀琀 洀攀渀甀搀漀⸀甀栀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䔀⸀ 搀✀夀瘀攀爀搀漀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀椀最栀琀椀渀最 漀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀ഊDate: 13 Dec 1993 16:20:19 -0600 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䠀漀甀猀琀漀渀ഊ ਀眀欀氀漀猀欀礀 愀琀 渀椀琀爀漀⸀洀椀渀攀猀⸀挀漀氀漀爀愀搀漀⸀攀搀甀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 匀椀爀 䬀椀攀昀 椀渀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 昀椀最栀琀 昀爀漀洀 愀 ഊ>chair, but from crutches (and his single sword is deadly!). ਀㸀ഊ>branwynn ottersby ਀ഊFor those who don't know Kief, he has only one leg. Quite often he doesn't ਀甀猀攀 栀椀猀 ∀眀愀爀 挀爀甀琀挀栀∀ 椀渀 戀愀琀琀氀攀⸀ 䘀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 眀愀爀渀攀搀 攀愀爀氀礀 漀渀ഊnot to take Kief's leg, because he is one of the dealiest fighters from ਀琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀䔀琀椀攀渀渀攀 搀✀夀瘀攀爀搀漀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Elwyn.Halfmoon at f555.n387.z1.fidonet.org (Elwyn Halfmoon) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Fighting on a wheelchair ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㌀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㄀㨀㐀㔀㨀　　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊ ਀ 㸀 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 栀攀愀瘀礀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 眀栀漀 昀椀最栀琀猀 漀爀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀 昀漀甀最栀琀 昀爀漀洀ഊ > a wheelchair? ਀ഊNo, but here in Ansteorra, Baron Sir Keif, who has only one leg, does pretty ਀搀愀洀渀 最漀漀搀 眀椀琀栀 猀椀渀最氀攀 猀眀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 挀爀甀琀挀栀⸀  夀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 猀攀攀 眀栀愀琀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 洀漀戀椀氀椀琀礀 栀攀ഊhas with that crutch. I've personally seen him get to the semi-finals of Crown ਀吀漀甀爀渀攀礀⸀  䤀 愀氀猀漀 栀攀愀爀 栀攀 昀椀最栀琀猀 搀漀甀戀氀攀 猀眀漀爀搀 甀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 猀眀漀爀搀 愀猀 愀 挀爀甀琀挀栀ഊuntil he's into the melee. ਀ഊ ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀攀渀渀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊDate: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 17:43:53 EST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 吀栀攀爀椀漀渀 㰀䠀娀匀 愀琀 瀀猀甀瘀洀⸀瀀猀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀椀最栀琀椀渀最 漀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀䜀刀䄀夀⸀㤀㌀䐀攀挀㄀㌀㄀㌀㐀㜀㐀㌀ 愀琀 椀戀椀猀⸀挀猀⸀甀洀愀猀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀Ⰰ 最爀愀礀 愀琀 挀猀⸀甀洀愀猀猀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䰀礀氀攀 䜀爀愀礀⤀ഊsays: ਀ഊ>I heard tell just this past weekend that there was a member of the Tuchux who ਀㸀昀漀甀最栀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 戀愀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀 礀攀愀爀 眀栀椀氀攀 椀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀⸀  䠀椀猀 戀漀搀礀最甀愀爀搀 眀愀猀ഊ>overrun, and one member of the opposing forces purposefully dove on top of him ਀㸀琀漀 瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀 栀椀洀 眀栀攀渀 栀椀猀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 眀愀猀 愀挀挀椀搀攀渀琀愀氀氀礀 搀甀洀瀀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀娀攀渀漀渀Ⰰ 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀攀愀爀 䌀氀愀渀⸀ 䠀攀 眀愀猀 愀 昀甀氀氀礀 洀漀戀椀氀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 昀漀爀 礀攀愀爀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀ഊflipping his pickup truck one Halloween night, 3 or 4 years ago. He still ਀愀琀琀攀渀搀猀 吀甀挀栀甀砀 愀渀搀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀椀最栀琀猀 猀攀洀椀ⴀ爀攀最甀氀愀爀氀礀⸀ഊ Therion ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀洀攀琀栀礀猀琀愀 愀琀 攀爀椀挀⸀猀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀⸀漀爀最 ⠀䄀洀攀琀栀礀猀琀愀 漀昀 䬀攀渀猀椀渀最琀漀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀䄀 匀椀最渀 䰀愀渀最甀愀最攀ഊDate: Sun, 06 Feb 94 13:24:54 EST ਀ഊKaren Larsdatter writes: ਀ഊ> Greetings, ye Rialto-Cruisers! ਀㸀 ഊ> Does anyone out there have a copy of a booklet/pamphlet distributed around ਀㸀 琀栀攀 攀愀猀琀攀爀渀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀渀漀眀渀 圀漀爀氀搀 ⠀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 䔀愀猀琀爀攀愀氀洀Ⰰ 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀Ⰰ 攀琀 愀氀⤀ഊ> with the "official" signs for oft-used SCA words? I'm going to be doing ਀㸀 猀漀洀攀 猀椀最渀ⴀ氀愀渀最甀愀最攀 椀渀琀攀爀瀀 眀漀爀欀 愀琀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀 圀愀爀 愀渀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ> to "fudge" some last-minute signs for things like "Herald," "Laurel," ਀㸀 ∀䴀愀猀琀攀爀⼀䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ∀ ∀䰀漀爀搀⼀䰀愀搀礀Ⰰ∀ ∀䌀愀椀搀Ⰰ∀ ∀伀甀琀氀愀渀搀猀Ⰰ∀ 愀渀搀 ⠀甀最栀℀⤀ ∀䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀∀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀氀氀漀℀ഊ Any one interested in SCA sign language should contact the ਀昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 瀀攀爀猀漀渀㨀ഊ ਀䰀愀搀礀 䌀攀搀愀爀ഊP.O. Box 5904 ਀倀愀爀猀椀瀀瀀瀀愀渀礀Ⰰ 一䨀ഊ07054-6904 ਀吀攀氀⸀ ⠀㈀　㄀⤀ⴀ㠀㠀㜀ⴀ㄀㜀㜀㤀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀礀 琀栀愀琀 搀椀搀 琀栀攀 猀椀最渀椀渀最 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 琀栀椀猀 礀攀愀爀 昀漀爀 䜀爀攀愀琀 ഊCourt, as well as many other places. I believe she also does classes on ਀琀栀椀猀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀ഊ ਀䄀洀攀琀栀礀猀琀愀 漀昀 䬀攀渀猀椀渀最琀漀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: haslock at oleum.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period citation for color-blindness? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㐀 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㈀㈀㨀㔀㠀㨀㐀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation ਀ഊGreetings from Fiacha, ਀ഊAs someone who with deficient color vision, I find this report not at all ਀猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀　　㤀㜀䄀　　䈀㈀㈀䘀㔀㘀㄀㈀　⸀㈀　㈀㈀䐀䘀㠀㐀 愀琀 瘀渀甀渀攀琀⸀唀唀䌀倀㸀Ⰰ 愀猀愀洀瀀氀愀猀欀椀 愀琀 瘀渀甀渀攀琀⸀唀唀䌀倀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀簀㸀 䤀 樀甀猀琀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀 瀀椀挀欀攀搀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 ㈀搀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 䬀甀栀渀✀猀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀愀琀甀爀攀ഊ|> of scientific revolutions, and while thumbing through it came across a note ਀簀㸀 眀栀攀爀攀 栀攀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 琀栀愀琀 ∀挀漀氀漀爀ⴀ戀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 渀漀琀椀挀攀搀 甀渀琀椀氀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 䐀愀氀琀漀渀ഊ|> described it in 1794." ਀ഊ|> -Vlad the Purple, Myrkfaelinn ਀ഊMy deficiency was noted in school when I demanded a purple crayon instead of ਀琀栀攀 戀氀甀攀 漀渀攀 䤀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 最椀瘀攀渀⸀ 圀椀琀栀漀甀琀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀椀猀攀搀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 愀渀搀 愀 琀攀愀挀栀攀爀ഊwho intrigued enough to push the issue, the deficiency would have been merely ਀愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 眀椀攀爀搀渀攀猀猀 琀漀 戀攀 洀漀挀欀攀搀 漀爀 漀瘀攀爀氀漀漀欀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀倀愀椀渀琀攀爀猀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀椀挀攀搀 挀愀猀攀猀 愀洀漀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 愀瀀瀀爀攀渀琀椀挀攀猀 戀甀琀 眀椀攀爀搀 挀漀氀漀爀 挀栀漀椀挀攀猀ഊwould fail to win them patrons. Dyers are about the only other trade where ਀瀀爀攀挀椀猀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 瘀椀猀椀漀渀 椀猀 爀攀氀攀瘀愀渀琀⸀ 刀攀搀⼀最爀攀攀渀 琀礀瀀攀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀 搀漀 戀愀搀氀礀 愀猀 猀洀椀琀栀猀ഊbecause of the significance of the red rediation from hot iron. ਀ഊIn general though, color coding would not seem to be significant to the ਀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀⸀ 䴀礀 漀眀渀 搀攀昀椀挀椀攀渀挀礀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 猀攀攀 挀漀氀漀爀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀攀愀渀猀ഊthat that some shades are less distinct for me that they are for others. I also ਀洀攀愀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 搀攀挀爀椀戀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 戀礀 挀漀氀漀爀Ⰰ 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀猀 愀 氀愀猀琀 爀攀猀漀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䘀椀愀挀栀愀Ⰰ 䄀渀吀椀爀ഊ haslock at zso.dec.com ਀ഊp.s. The deal with purple is that I can see purple with a large red component, ਀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀搀 椀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀椀最栀琀攀爀 猀栀愀搀攀猀⸀ 唀猀攀 愀 搀愀爀欀 爀攀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 猀攀攀ഊa blue grey of some description. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀氀攀砀　　　㠀 愀琀 最漀氀搀⸀琀挀⸀甀洀渀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀刀攀搀渀愀砀攀氀愀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䌀漀氀漀爀 䈀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀ഊDate: 15 Feb 1994 09:49:44 -0500 ਀ഊGood m'lord Vladisloc the Purple, and those attending his converse, ਀䰀漀爀搀 刀攀搀渀愀砀攀氀愀 猀攀渀搀猀 甀渀琀漀 琀栀攀攀 最爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀 ഊhumility which is his stock in trade, beg leave to offer his own ਀漀戀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀猀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀Ⰰഊ ਀夀漀甀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 挀漀氀漀爀戀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀 椀猀 洀漀猀琀 椀渀琀爀攀最甀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 ഊsource of great intellectual amusement. I commend thee. ਀ഊAmongst my friends are artists of the most severe colorblindness, their ਀氀愀挀欀 漀昀 挀漀氀漀爀 猀攀渀猀攀 最漀攀猀 戀攀礀漀渀搀 琀栀攀 椀渀愀戀氀椀琀礀 琀漀 搀椀猀琀椀渀焀甀椀猀栀 漀爀愀渀最攀 昀爀漀洀 ഊpurple, they do not see in colors at all, lacking the cones (rods? my ਀戀椀漀氀漀最礀 椀猀 愀最攀搀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀 昀攀愀爀⤀ 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀礀攀 愀氀琀漀最愀琀栀攀爀⸀  䄀渀搀 礀攀琀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀爀琀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ ഊtheir ability to distinguish shades of grey is so intense that, as long as ਀琀栀攀礀 甀猀攀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 ⠀愀渀搀 渀漀琀 洀椀砀攀搀 瀀愀椀渀琀 瀀愀氀攀琀猀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀 愀猀 ഊperfect an imitation of nature as you please, and with training they learn ਀琀漀 搀甀瀀氀椀挀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 栀甀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀椀砀攀搀 瀀愀氀攀琀猀Ⰰ 戀礀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 ഊsensitivity to the greys. ਀ഊThis phenomenon would interfere with the detection of color-blindness, ਀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀渀 愀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 愀昀昀氀椀挀琀椀漀渀猀 眀攀爀攀 昀爀漀眀渀攀搀 甀瀀漀渀⸀  吀栀甀猀Ⰰ 挀漀氀漀爀 ഊblindness might simply have been thought of as a "local" phenomenon, no ਀洀漀爀攀 爀攀洀愀爀欀愀戀氀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 甀渀甀猀甀愀氀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 漀渀 䘀愀爀洀攀爀 吀栀攀漀搀漀爀椀挀欀✀猀 挀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀圀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀 䤀 挀氀漀猀攀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 戀攀愀爀 洀礀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最猀 漀昀 最漀漀搀 眀椀氀氀 琀漀 琀栀攀 最漀漀搀氀礀 猀漀甀氀猀 ഊof Myrkfaelinn whom might remember me. ਀ഊ- Rednaxela ਀ഊMichael S. Alexander ਀⠀䄀⸀䬀⸀䄀⸀⤀ 刀攀搀渀愀砀攀氀愀ഊ(612) 296-2304 (Work) ਀⠀㘀㄀㈀⤀ 㘀㐀㐀ⴀ㐀㠀㄀㜀 ⠀䠀漀洀攀⤀ഊalex0008 at gold.tc.umn.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀爀氀椀猀猀 愀琀 栀愀氀⸀倀䠀礀猀椀挀猀⸀眀愀礀渀攀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䨀⸀ 䌀漀爀氀椀猀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䌀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀ഊDate: 14 Feb 1994 23:14:15 -0500 ਀ഊFiacha, from An Tir, writes on color-blindness: ਀ഊ > My own deficiency does not mean that I can not see colors, it means that ਀ 㸀 猀漀洀攀 猀栀愀搀攀猀 愀爀攀 氀攀猀猀 搀椀猀琀椀渀挀琀 ⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀琀栀愀渀 漀琀栀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀䔀愀爀氀椀攀爀Ⰰ 栀攀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀ 㸀 刀攀搀⼀最爀攀攀渀 琀礀瀀攀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀 搀漀 戀愀搀氀礀 愀猀 猀洀椀琀栀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀椀最渀椀昀椀挀愀渀挀攀ഊ > of the red radiation from hot iron. ਀ഊBut smiths are not in the business of distinguishing red iron from blue or ਀最爀攀攀渀 漀爀 瀀甀爀瀀氀攀 椀爀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 洀愀猀琀攀爀 眀椀氀氀 猀愀礀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀攀渀琀椀挀攀㨀 ∀圀栀攀渀 椀琀 氀漀漀欀猀ഊlike this (holding up glowing metal), then do this (wielding a hammer). The ਀昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 瘀愀氀甀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀猀琀攀爀 搀椀昀昀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瘀愀氀甀攀 椀渀ഊthe brain of the apprentice does not invalidate this lesson. As you yourself ਀瀀漀椀渀琀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 猀洀椀琀栀 眀椀琀栀 愀 搀攀昀椀挀椀攀渀挀礀 挀愀渀 猀琀椀氀氀 猀攀攀 挀漀氀漀爀⸀ 吀栀甀猀Ⰰ 栀攀 挀愀渀 ഊfunction as a smith. ਀ഊAll this is from logical construction, not experience: I can forge weld but ਀䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀⸀ 䄀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀礀 挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀 猀洀椀琀栀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀栀漀 挀愀渀ഊconfirm this deduction? ਀ഊ Beorthwine ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 最栀攀猀洀椀稀 愀琀 戀愀挀栀⸀甀搀攀氀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䴀愀挀挀栀椀漀渀攀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀ഊDate: 16 Feb 1994 16:41:33 -0500 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䐀攀氀愀眀愀爀攀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䨀⸀ 䌀漀爀氀椀猀猀 㰀挀漀爀氀椀猀猀 愀琀 栀愀氀⸀倀䠀礀猀椀挀猀⸀眀愀礀渀攀⸀䔀䐀唀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Fiacha, from An Tir, writes on color-blindness: ਀㸀 㸀 䴀礀 漀眀渀 搀攀昀椀挀椀攀渀挀礀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 洀攀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 渀漀琀 猀攀攀 挀漀氀漀爀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> > some shades are less distinct .....than others. ਀㸀䔀愀爀氀椀攀爀Ⰰ 栀攀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> > Red/green types would also do badly as smiths because of the significance ਀㸀 㸀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀搀 爀愀搀椀愀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 栀漀琀 椀爀漀渀⸀ഊ>But smiths are not in the business of distinguishing red iron from blue or ਀㸀最爀攀攀渀 漀爀 瀀甀爀瀀氀攀 椀爀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 洀愀猀琀攀爀 眀椀氀氀 猀愀礀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀攀渀琀椀挀攀㨀 ∀圀栀攀渀 椀琀 氀漀漀欀猀ഊ>like this (holding up glowing metal), then do this (wielding a hammer). The ਀㸀昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 瘀愀氀甀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀猀琀攀爀 搀椀昀昀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瘀愀氀甀攀 椀渀ഊ>the brain of the apprentice does not invalidate this lesson. As you yourself ਀㸀瀀漀椀渀琀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 猀洀椀琀栀 眀椀琀栀 愀 搀攀昀椀挀椀攀渀挀礀 挀愀渀 猀琀椀氀氀 猀攀攀 挀漀氀漀爀⸀ 吀栀甀猀Ⰰ 栀攀 挀愀渀 ഊ>function as a smith. ਀㸀ഊ>All this is from logical construction, not experience: I can forge weld but ਀㸀䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀⸀ 䄀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀礀 挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀 猀洀椀琀栀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀栀漀 挀愀渀ഊ>confirm this deduction? ਀ഊIt may be logical, but it may not be correct. Now I am not a smith so I ਀挀愀渀✀琀 栀攀氀瀀 礀漀甀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀洀 挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀⸀  䰀椀欀攀 䘀椀愀挀栀愀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 爀攀搀⼀最爀攀攀渀ഊcolor blind. This does not mean that red = green, only that I can have ਀琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 猀攀攀椀渀最 猀栀愀搀攀猀 漀昀 爀攀搀 愀渀搀 最爀攀攀渀⸀  䘀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 漀昀琀攀渀 氀漀漀欀攀搀ഊat two objects which to me look the same color but to someone else look ਀琀眀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 挀漀氀漀爀猀⸀  䄀渀搀 瘀椀挀攀 瘀攀爀猀愀℀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 愀琀 琀眀漀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 眀栀椀挀栀ഊlook radically different to me which other "normal" people say are ਀瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀⸀  䴀礀 洀愀椀渀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 椀猀 猀攀攀椀渀最 挀漀氀漀爀猀 樀甀猀琀 漀昀昀 昀爀漀洀ഊgray, like light greens, light pinks, off whites, etc. I have a tunic ਀琀栀愀琀 䤀 猀眀攀愀爀 椀猀 最爀愀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀氀氀 漀昀 洀礀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 猀愀礀 椀猀 猀攀愀 洀椀猀琀 最爀攀攀渀⸀ഊ ਀一漀眀 琀漀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 猀愀礀 愀戀漀瘀攀Ⰰ 椀昀 䤀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 琀眀椀挀攀 䤀ഊenvision it as the same color. Thus if I see iron glowing at a particular ਀琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀 ⠀猀愀礀 㠀　　 䘀 笀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 愀 爀攀愀氀椀猀琀椀挀 琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀ഊbe, nor does it matter}), I should recognize the color. But that same ਀瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 椀爀漀渀 洀愀礀 氀漀漀欀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀漀 洀攀 愀琀 㘀　　䘀 漀爀 ㄀　　　䘀 漀爀ഊpossibly at every temperature in between. If I had to rely on color to ਀搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 洀攀琀愀氀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀ഊwould do it at the wrong time. I did have this problem doing titrations ਀椀渀 愀 䌀栀攀洀椀猀琀爀礀 挀氀愀猀猀 椀渀 挀漀氀氀攀最攀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 猀琀漀瀀 琀椀琀爀愀琀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀ഊthe solution reached a particular color, (just off pink towards amber) and ਀䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 最攀琀 椀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 琀椀洀攀⸀  䤀琀 搀爀漀瘀攀 洀礀 瀀爀漀昀攀猀猀漀爀 渀甀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀椀琀礀Ⰰ 洀礀 攀礀攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 琀栀愀琀 戀愀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 爀愀渀最攀 漀昀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀攀琀愀氀猀ഊtend to glow, but most people who are color blind will have different ਀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 洀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ ਀䬀愀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀欀氀漀猀欀礀ഊSubject: Re: Color blindness ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㄀㨀　㔀㨀　㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: rec.org.sca ਀ഊIn article <9402150413.AA05261 at hal.physics.wayne.edu> corliss at hal.PHysics.wayne.EDU (David J. Corliss) writes: ਀㸀䘀椀愀挀栀愀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 䄀渀 吀椀爀Ⰰ 眀爀椀琀攀猀 漀渀 挀漀氀漀爀ⴀ戀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀 㸀 䴀礀 漀眀渀 搀攀昀椀挀椀攀渀挀礀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 洀攀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 渀漀琀 猀攀攀 挀漀氀漀爀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> > some shades are less distinct .....than others. ਀㸀ഊ>Earlier, he writes: ਀㸀ഊ> > Red/green types would also do badly as smiths because of the significance ਀㸀 㸀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀搀 爀愀搀椀愀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 栀漀琀 椀爀漀渀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䈀甀琀 猀洀椀琀栀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀甀猀椀渀攀猀猀 漀昀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀椀渀最 爀攀搀 椀爀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 戀氀甀攀 漀爀 ഊ>green or purple iron. The master will say to the apprentice: "When it looks ਀㸀氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀猀 ⠀栀漀氀搀椀渀最 甀瀀 最氀漀眀椀渀最 洀攀琀愀氀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀 ⠀眀椀攀氀搀椀渀最 愀 栀愀洀洀攀爀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀 ഊ>fact that the color value in the brain of the master differs from the value in ਀㸀琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀攀渀琀椀挀攀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 椀渀瘀愀氀椀搀愀琀攀 琀栀椀猀 氀攀猀猀漀渀⸀ 䄀猀 礀漀甀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀ഊ>point out, the smith with a deficiency can still see color. Thus, he can ਀㸀昀甀渀挀琀椀漀渀 愀猀 愀 猀洀椀琀栀⸀ ഊ> ਀㸀䄀氀氀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 氀漀最椀挀愀氀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀㨀 䤀 挀愀渀 昀漀爀最攀 眀攀氀搀 戀甀琀ഊ>I am not color blind. Are there any color blind smiths out there who can ਀㸀挀漀渀昀椀爀洀 琀栀椀猀 搀攀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀                                              䈀攀漀爀琀栀眀椀渀攀                ഊ ਀ⴀⴀऀऀऀऀऀऀ     ഊMy lord is as color blind as you get, but he does fine in the smithy. ਀吀栀攀爀攀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 琀漀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 琀攀氀氀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀琀愀氀 椀猀ഊred-hot. I think a significant point here also is radiation; hot iron ਀爀愀搀椀愀琀攀猀 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 氀椀最栀琀 ⠀愀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀 瀀甀爀攀 爀攀搀Ⰰ 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀⤀ 戀甀琀 愀氀猀漀ഊa significant amount of heat, eh? :) ਀ഊHis main difficulties come when driving at night in a streetlight- and ਀猀琀漀瀀氀椀最栀琀ⴀ椀渀昀攀猀琀攀搀 挀椀琀礀⸀ ⠀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 伀䬀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 漀瘀攀爀氀漀漀欀 琀栀攀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀ഊodd-clothing combination as not being a difficulty -- after all, he's ਀渀漀琀 漀甀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀 漀昀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 洀愀最愀稀椀渀攀猀⸀⸀⸀⤀ 吀栀攀 最爀攀攀渀 氀椀最栀琀猀 氀漀漀欀ഊlike white streetlights, and are hard to see. ਀ഊbranwynn ottersby ਀挀愀攀爀 最愀氀攀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 漀甀琀氀愀渀搀猀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: jeffs at math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: color blindness ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㜀 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㐀㨀㈀　㨀㈀　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: The Internet ਀ഊ>I just yesterday picked up the 2d edition of Thomas Kuhn's book on ਀㸀琀栀攀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 猀挀椀攀渀琀椀昀椀挀 爀攀瘀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀甀洀戀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 椀琀ഊ>came across a note where he claims that "color-blindness was not ਀㸀渀漀琀椀挀攀搀 甀渀琀椀氀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 䐀愀氀琀漀渀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 椀琀 椀渀 ㄀㜀㤀㐀⸀∀ 䤀✀洀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 戀椀琀ഊ>of trouble swallowing this; surely SOMEONE would have noted the ਀㸀攀砀椀猀琀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 椀琀 搀漀眀渀ഊ ਀伀栀 戀漀礀℀  䄀 渀漀渀ⴀ䈀漀䐀 琀漀瀀椀挀 䤀 挀愀渀 琀愀氀欀 愀戀漀甀琀℀ഊ ਀吀栀漀洀愀猀 䐀愀氀琀漀渀 猀甀昀昀攀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 䌀伀䴀倀䰀䔀吀䔀 挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀Ⰰ 愀⸀欀⸀愀⸀ 䐀愀氀琀漀渀椀猀洀ഊ(because he was the first person to describe it scientifically). This ਀眀漀爀欀攀搀 琀漀 栀椀猀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀㬀 漀渀攀 搀愀礀 栀攀 栀愀搀 琀漀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀 愀渀 栀漀渀漀爀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊKing, which entailed wearing a purple baldric. Dalton was a Quaker, ਀琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀甀爀瀀氀攀 戀愀氀搀爀椀挀 眀愀猀 挀氀愀猀猀椀昀椀攀搀 愀猀 昀爀椀瀀瀀攀爀礀 愀渀搀 琀栀甀猀ഊforbidden unto him. No problem; Dalton claimed to the Church Elders ਀琀栀愀琀 开栀攀开 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 琀栀攀 戀愀氀搀爀椀挀 眀愀猀 最爀愀礀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀爀漀琀攀 椀琀 搀漀眀渀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䐀愀氀琀漀渀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 漀渀攀ഊof the Arabs (they wrote quote a bit on ophthalmological anomalies), ਀戀甀琀 渀漀 漀渀攀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 洀椀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 氀攀琀✀猀 琀栀椀渀欀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀ഊthere's Daltonism. The basic color blind cannot distinguish between, ਀猀愀礀Ⰰ 戀氀甀攀 愀渀搀 最爀攀攀渀 ⠀洀礀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⤀ 漀爀 爀攀搀 愀渀搀 最爀攀攀渀 ⠀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⤀⸀ഊThis does not mean, contrary to common notion, they see things as gray ਀⠀䜀漀搀 欀渀漀眀猀 栀漀眀 洀愀渀礀 琀椀洀攀猀 䤀✀瘀攀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 愀猀欀 洀攀ഊabout it). What it means is that if you show me a piece of paper that ਀椀猀 氀椀最栀琀 戀氀甀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 氀椀最栀琀 最爀攀攀渀Ⰰ 愀戀漀甀琀 栀愀氀昀ഊthe time I can't tell the difference between them. ਀ഊWhat about the other half? Ah, here's the catch: even though I might ਀瀀攀爀挀攀椀瘀攀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 愀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀甀攀猀Ⰰഊbrightness being but one of many. (For example, if you're red green ਀挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 氀椀最栀琀 漀昀 愀 琀爀愀昀昀椀挀 氀椀最栀琀 椀猀 漀渀Ⰰഊyou know it's green, even though you can't tell the color of that ਀氀椀最栀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 氀椀最栀琀⤀ 匀漀 椀渀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 爀愀琀栀攀爀ഊmore difficult to tell if someone is color blind. There are _modern_ ਀琀攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀 椀琀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀ഊbeyond the 19th century. ਀ഊAlso, color is cultural. I recently read that one group of American ਀䤀渀搀椀愀渀猀 ⠀一愀瘀愀樀漀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⤀ 搀漀 渀漀琀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 礀攀氀氀漀眀 愀渀搀 最爀攀攀渀⸀ഊIt may be that Medievals paid less attention to color distinctions ਀琀栀愀渀 眀攀 搀漀⸀  ഊ ਀吀椀漀 搀攀氀氀✀愀戀愀挀漀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 琀戀愀爀渀攀猀 愀琀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀⸀甀挀猀⸀椀渀搀椀愀渀愀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀琀栀漀洀愀猀 眀爀攀渀琀洀漀爀攀 戀愀爀渀攀猀⤀ഊSubject: Re: color blindness ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀愀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊDate: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:39:10 GMT ਀ഊIn article <9402171918.AA09545 at math.bu.edu> jeffs at math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) writes: ਀㸀ഊ>What about the other half? Ah, here's the catch: even though I might ਀㸀瀀攀爀挀攀椀瘀攀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 愀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀甀攀猀Ⰰഊ>brightness being but one of many. (For example, if you're red green ਀㸀挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 氀椀最栀琀 漀昀 愀 琀爀愀昀昀椀挀 氀椀最栀琀 椀猀 漀渀Ⰰഊ>you know it's green, even though you can't tell the color of that ਀㸀氀椀最栀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 氀椀最栀琀⤀ 匀漀 椀渀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 爀愀琀栀攀爀ഊ>more difficult to tell if someone is color blind. There are _modern_ ਀㸀琀攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀 椀琀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀ഊ>beyond the 19th century. ਀㸀ഊ Greetings from Lothar, ਀ഊ Hmmm. I'm allegedly pretty color blind, because I can't ਀椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀 琀栀攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀猀 栀椀搀搀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䤀猀栀椀栀愀爀愀 挀漀氀漀爀ⴀ戀氀椀渀搀渀攀猀猀ഊtest. However, I CAN trace the numbers slowly with my finger. I can also ਀搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 瘀攀爀礀 氀椀最栀琀 猀栀愀搀攀猀 漀昀 最爀攀攀渀 愀渀搀 爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 攀愀挀栀 漀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 甀渀氀攀猀猀ഊthe light is very low or has a strong non-white component to it (like ਀氀漀琀猀 漀昀 礀攀氀氀漀眀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀 椀渀挀愀渀搀攀猀挀攀渀琀 戀甀氀戀⤀⸀ 䤀✀洀 愀氀氀攀最攀搀氀礀 洀椀氀搀氀礀ഊred-green color blind, but I don't buy it. I mostly seem to be ਀椀渀猀攀渀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀渀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 爀攀搀猀 愀渀搀 最爀攀攀渀猀⸀ ഊ ਀㸀䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 挀漀氀漀爀 椀猀 挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀⸀  䤀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀愀琀 漀渀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 漀昀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀ഊ>Indians (Navajo, I think) do not distinguish between yellow and green. ਀㸀䤀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 琀栀愀琀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀猀 瀀愀椀搀 氀攀猀猀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 挀漀氀漀爀 搀椀猀琀椀渀挀琀椀漀渀猀ഊ>than we do. ਀㸀ഊ ਀ऀ䐀攀昀椀渀愀琀攀氀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 猀栀愀搀攀猀ഊof grey, and certain shades of light blue. Hence the Irish "blue" horse. ਀吀栀攀 渀漀爀猀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 猀栀愀搀攀猀 漀昀 搀愀爀欀 戀氀甀攀ഊand black. Hence, Harald "Blue Tooth". How people divide up colors is ਀瘀攀爀礀 搀攀昀椀渀愀琀攀氀礀 愀 挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀 琀栀椀渀最⸀ 䐀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀 刀伀夀䜀䈀䤀嘀ഊsplit of the visible spectrum is universal throughout human culture. ਀ഊ Lothar ਀㸀吀椀漀 搀攀氀氀✀愀戀愀挀漀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: hrjones at uclink.berkeley.edu (Heather Rose Jones) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: color blindness ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㠀 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㜀㨀㄀㈀㨀㈀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley ਀ഊIn article , ਀琀栀漀洀愀猀 眀爀攀渀琀洀漀爀攀 戀愀爀渀攀猀 㰀琀戀愀爀渀攀猀 愀琀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀⸀甀挀猀⸀椀渀搀椀愀渀愀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>In article <9402171918.AA09545 at math.bu.edu> jeffs at math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) writes: ਀㸀㸀ഊ>>Also, color is cultural. I recently read that one group of American ਀㸀㸀䤀渀搀椀愀渀猀 ⠀一愀瘀愀樀漀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⤀ 搀漀 渀漀琀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 礀攀氀氀漀眀 愀渀搀 最爀攀攀渀⸀ഊ>>It may be that Medievals paid less attention to color distinctions ਀㸀㸀琀栀愀渀 眀攀 搀漀⸀  ഊ> ਀㸀ऀ䐀攀昀椀渀愀琀攀氀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 猀栀愀搀攀猀ഊ>of grey, and certain shades of light blue. Hence the Irish "blue" horse. ਀㸀吀栀攀 渀漀爀猀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 猀栀愀搀攀猀 漀昀 搀愀爀欀 戀氀甀攀ഊ>and black. Hence, Harald "Blue Tooth". How people divide up colors is ਀㸀瘀攀爀礀 搀攀昀椀渀愀琀攀氀礀 愀 挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀 琀栀椀渀最⸀ 䐀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀 刀伀夀䜀䈀䤀嘀ഊ>split of the visible spectrum is universal throughout human culture. ਀ഊLet's make a clear distinction between two different things being discussed ਀栀攀爀攀㨀 琀栀攀 愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 琀漀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀椀渀最ഊdifferent names for those colors. This subject provided some very important ਀攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ⠀昀愀椀爀氀礀 昀氀攀搀最攀氀椀渀最⤀ 昀椀攀氀搀 漀昀 挀漀最渀椀琀椀瘀攀 猀挀椀攀渀挀攀 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀Ⰰ 栀漀眀ഊthe human mind works) as reported in papers such as "Basic Color Terms" by ਀䈀爀攀渀琀 䈀攀爀氀椀渀 愀渀搀 倀愀甀氀 䬀愀礀 ⠀㄀㤀㘀㤀⤀⸀ 䠀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 戀爀椀攀昀 猀礀渀漀瀀猀椀猀㨀ഊ ਀䐀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀猀 最爀漀甀瀀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀氀礀 愀渀搀 搀爀愀眀 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀猀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀ഊthose groups in different places. Within any given "color" (as culturally ਀搀攀昀椀渀攀搀⤀ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 愀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 昀漀挀愀氀 猀栀愀搀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 琀栀攀ഊ"best example" of that color, and this "focal color" will be extremely ਀挀漀渀猀椀猀琀愀渀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀⸀ 䌀漀洀瀀愀爀椀渀最 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 昀椀渀搀ഊthat "focal colors" (as defined by wavelength or a standard set of color chips) ਀愀爀攀 挀爀漀猀猀ⴀ挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀Ⰰ 椀⸀攀⸀Ⰰ 椀昀 愀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 栀愀猀 愀 眀漀爀搀⼀挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀 昀漀爀 ∀爀攀搀∀Ⰰ 琀栀攀椀爀ഊ"focal red" will be the same as that of other cultures that have a "red". ਀吀栀攀猀攀 ∀昀漀挀愀氀∀ 挀漀氀漀爀猀 挀漀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀 琀漀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 眀愀瘀攀氀攀渀最琀栀猀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊphysiology of human vision, which helps explain their cross-cultural ਀甀渀椀瘀攀爀猀愀氀椀琀礀⸀ഊ ਀一漀眀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 ⴀⴀ 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀猀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀ഊin the above study has only two color words/concepts: "black" and "white". ਀䔀瘀攀爀礀 栀甀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀愀椀渀戀漀眀 椀猀 挀氀愀猀猀椀昀椀攀搀 愀猀 漀渀攀 漀爀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀⸀ 䈀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀ഊmean that the people in that culture don't _see_ colors as we do, just that ਀琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 开渀愀洀攀开 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 眀愀礀⸀ 䤀渀猀甀氀愀爀 䌀攀氀琀椀挀 氀愀渀最甀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 眀漀爀搀ഊ"glas" that covers what in English would be called blue, green, grey and certain ਀琀礀瀀攀猀 漀昀 戀爀漀眀渀⸀ 䈀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 洀攀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀ഊIrishman and showed him a "blue" object and a "green" object that he wouldn't ਀戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀椀猀 漀昀 挀漀氀漀爀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊcall them by the same color name. Similarly, most people would identify as ਀∀最爀攀攀渀∀ 愀渀 漀戀樀攀挀琀 漀昀 愀 搀愀爀欀 ∀猀瀀爀甀挀攀 最爀攀攀渀∀ 愀渀搀 愀氀猀漀 愀 ∀挀栀愀爀琀爀攀甀猀攀∀ 漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊthat doesn't mean that we see no difference between them! ਀ഊThis is a very different question than that of color-blindness, in which ਀琀眀漀 漀戀樀攀挀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀漀 ∀渀漀爀洀愀氀∀ 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 搀椀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀愀戀氀攀 戀礀 挀漀氀漀爀 愀爀攀ഊ_seen_ as indistinguishable on that basis. ਀ഊTangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (who tries very hard no to giggle when ਀氀椀猀琀攀渀椀渀最 琀漀 栀攀爀 琀眀漀 爀攀搀ⴀ最爀攀攀渀 挀漀氀漀爀 戀氀椀渀搀 戀爀漀琀栀攀爀猀 琀爀礀 琀漀 戀氀愀稀漀渀 栀攀爀愀氀搀爀礀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: meg at tinhat.stonemarche.org (meg) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Sites and Autocrats ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䴀愀爀 㤀㐀 　㌀㨀　㄀㨀　㈀ 䔀匀吀ഊOrganization: Stonemarche Network Co-op ਀ഊpjb4288 at ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay) writes: ਀ഊ> Greetings gentles... ਀㸀 ഊ> Even though I reside in the East, I wish to make a request of all Autocrats ਀㸀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀渀攀昀椀琀 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 戀甀琀 漀琀栀攀爀 匀䌀䄀搀椀愀渀猀 䤀 愀洀 猀甀爀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀猀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 搀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 氀漀渀最 愀渀搀 栀愀爀搀 昀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> are accessible to my magical steed. It is not easy but I have been able to ਀㸀 愀琀琀攀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 圀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 䄀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀猀 戀攀最椀渀 琀栀攀 琀愀猀欀 漀昀 猀攀琀琀椀渀最 甀瀀 猀椀琀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> electronic steeds don't climb stairs and try to take that into mind. ਀㸀  ഊ> Thank you ever so kindly... ਀㸀 ഊ> In service... ਀㸀 ഊ> Lorin Francis Renaud ਀㸀 吀栀攀猀挀漀爀爀攀ഊ> -- ਀㸀 倀攀琀攀爀 䨀⸀ 䈀漀甀氀愀礀 ⴀⴀ㄀㜀 匀瀀氀椀琀 刀漀挀欀 刀漀愀搀ⴀ倀椀琀琀猀昀漀爀搀Ⰰ 一夀 ㄀㐀㔀㌀㐀ⴀ吀栀攀 吀漀漀渀䄀搀搀椀挀琀℀ഊ> Email should be sent only to PJB4288 at ritvax.isc.rit.edu ਀ഊMilord, here in the Barony of Stonemarche, we try to have all our events ਀椀渀 愀挀挀攀猀猀愀戀氀攀 猀椀琀攀猀⸀ 䄀渀搀 眀栀攀爀攀 猀琀愀椀爀猀 栀椀渀搀攀爀Ⰰ 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 愀猀猀椀猀琀⸀  圀攀 挀愀渀 ഊalso appoint a volunteer PCA who can act the part of a period attendant ਀琀漀 攀渀栀愀渀挀攀 礀漀甀爀 昀甀渀⸀ 圀攀 挀愀渀 愀氀猀漀 漀昀昀攀爀 猀椀最渀 氀愀渀最甀愀最攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䴀愀渀礀 漀昀 ഊour subjects work at a local rehab center, so we have professional ਀攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀⸀ ഊBTW, I have Muscular Dystrophy, as do 3 others in this Barony. It hasn't ਀猀琀漀瀀瀀攀搀 洀攀 昀爀漀洀 戀攀椀渀最 愀挀琀椀瘀攀⸀ 吀栀愀渀欀猀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 瀀漀猀琀⸀ 䴀甀挀栀 渀攀攀搀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䴀攀最愀渀 ഊ ਀洀礀 䌀漀洀瀀愀渀椀漀渀 䐀漀最 眀愀猀 最椀瘀攀渀 愀渀 䄀眀愀爀搀 漀昀 倀愀眀猀 椀渀 刀漀礀愀氀 䌀漀甀爀琀⸀  匀栀攀 椀猀 ഊdipicted on my badge: checky argent and gules, a Talbot hound sable ਀栀愀爀渀攀猀猀攀搀 愀稀甀爀攀 猀攀樀攀愀渀琀⸀ ഊ(for the heraldically challenged, it's a black retriever in a blue ਀栀愀爀渀攀猀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 愀 倀甀爀椀渀愀 搀漀最 昀漀漀搀 戀愀最⸀ 夀攀愀栀℀ഊ ਀㴀㴀 ഊIn 1994: Linda Anfuso ਀䤀渀 琀栀攀 䌀甀爀爀攀渀琀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀㨀 䴀攀最愀渀 渀椀 䰀愀椀渀攀 搀攀 䈀攀氀氀攀 刀椀瘀攀  ഊIn the SCA, Inc: sustaining member # 33644 ਀ഊ YYY YYY ਀洀攀最 愀琀 琀椀渀栀愀琀⸀猀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀⸀漀爀最      簀  夀夀夀夀夀  簀ഊ |____n____| ਀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: In chairs (was Re: Pennsic on Discovery) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㜀 一漀瘀 㤀㐀 ㄀㌀㨀　㐀㨀㌀㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208 ਀ഊGuiliam (Zach) writes: ਀㸀⠀䰀攀眀椀猀 吀愀渀稀漀猀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>>(Suze Hammond) writes: ਀ഊ>>>(Who is the valiant fellow who fights from a chair? Intrepid!) ਀ഊ>I saw that at the War. After which about 4 of us were doing our best ਀㸀琀漀 䌀漀渀瘀椀渀挀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀攀猀猀 䴀攀最愀渀 漀昀 匀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀 琀栀愀琀 昀漀爀 栀攀爀 琀漀 琀爀礀 椀琀ഊ>would be a *bad* idea. (Archery Yes, Fighting no) ਀ഊIf you're talking about the Tuchux, I've been in a field battle against ਀栀椀洀 漀渀挀攀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 漀戀樀攀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 栀椀洀 戀攀椀渀最 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀ഊpreferred some foreknowledge that he was there, rather than breaking ਀琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀椀爀 爀愀渀欀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀洀椀渀最 愀挀爀漀猀猀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 漀昀 昀氀椀瀀瀀椀渀最ഊover. ਀ഊArchery *is* possible from a wheelchair. Ioseph Pecheur (Joseph Archer) ਀眀漀渀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀 漀昀 䈀愀爀漀渀椀愀氀 䄀爀挀栀攀爀 氀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀Ⰰ 栀攀✀猀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 猀椀渀挀攀ഊhe was 17. He's also a member of the Order of the Golden Alce (AEthelmearc ਀洀愀爀琀椀愀氀 愀眀愀爀搀 昀漀爀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 昀攀渀挀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀爀挀栀攀爀礀⤀⸀  圀栀攀渀 栀攀 眀愀猀 椀渀搀甀挀琀攀搀Ⰰഊthe gorilla sized fighters lifted him into the air wheelchair and all and ਀挀愀爀爀椀攀搀 栀椀洀 漀甀琀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀℀ 㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ - Dagonell ਀ഊSCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr ਀䠀愀戀椀琀愀琀ऀ    㨀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 䄀䔀琀栀攀氀洀攀愀爀挀 倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀Ⰰ 刀栀礀搀搀攀爀椀挀栀 䠀愀攀氀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀ഊInternet : salley at niktow.cs.canisius.edu ਀唀匀渀愀椀氀ⴀ渀攀琀  㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 倀⸀ 匀愀氀氀攀礀Ⰰ ㄀㌀㘀 匀栀攀瀀愀爀搀 匀琀爀攀攀琀Ⰰ 䈀甀昀昀愀氀漀Ⰰ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀 ㄀㐀㈀㄀㈀ⴀ㈀　㈀㤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: UDSD073 at DSIBM.OKLADOT.STATE.OK.US (Mike Andrews) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Golf-Carts ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 　㈀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀　㨀　㌀ഊOrganization: The University of Oklahoma (USA) ਀ഊIn article <9411301557.aa25783 at mc.lcs.mit.edu>, ਀圀䤀匀䠀 愀琀 甀爀椀愀挀挀⸀甀爀椀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀倀攀琀攀爀 刀漀猀攀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀㸀∀䜀漀氀昀 挀愀爀琀猀 搀漀渀✀琀 氀攀愀瘀攀 猀洀攀氀氀礀 瀀椀氀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 眀愀欀攀⸀ 䴀愀礀戀攀 眀攀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊ>>dress the golf carts up like dragons?" (Alison) ਀㸀㸀ഊ>>But medieval people did not have dragons wandering around their camp ਀㸀㸀猀椀琀攀猀⸀ ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ>> ਀㸀  䴀愀礀戀攀 眀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 搀爀攀猀猀 琀栀攀 最漀氀昀ⴀ挀愀爀琀猀 甀瀀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 洀甀氀攀ⴀ琀攀愀洀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 漀砀攀渀㼀ഊ ਀䘀甀渀渀礀 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 洀攀渀琀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀℀  䘀爀愀琀攀爀 唀爀猀甀猀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 䘀漀甀渀搀椀渀最ഊBaron (once known as Master Bjo:rn), has begun using an electric ਀㌀ⴀ眀栀攀攀氀攀爀 昀漀爀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀Ⰰ 漀眀椀渀最 琀漀 猀漀洀攀 洀攀搀椀挀愀氀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀⸀ 䰀愀搀礀ഊAlix Tiberga put a papier-mache' mule's head on it for Namron ਀倀爀漀琀攀挀琀漀爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 瘀攀爀礀 昀椀琀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀഊudsd007 at ibm.okladot.state.ok.us (192.149.244.136) ਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䘀攀渀眀椀挀欀 漀昀 䘀漀琀栀攀爀椀渀最栀愀礀Ⰰ 伀⸀䰀⸀ ⠀䴀椀欀攀 䄀渀搀爀攀眀猀⤀  一愀洀爀漀渀Ⰰ 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 漀渀攀 攀礀攀搀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最ഊFrom: trelaine at beacon.sci.org (Larry McCoy) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䐀攀挀 㤀㐀 ㄀㌀㨀㌀㠀㨀㌀㈀ 倀匀吀ഊOrganization: Beacon BBS ਀ഊI also am blind in one eye, but I've been that way since I was eight years ਀漀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 栀漀眀 琀漀 挀漀洀瀀攀渀猀愀琀攀⸀ 䴀漀猀琀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 欀渀漀眀 洀攀 愀爀攀 ഊsurprised to learn that this is so. I've been fighting for over 15 years, ਀愀渀搀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀 愀 昀攀眀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀猀 栀愀瘀攀 䤀 戀攀攀渀 ∀戀氀椀渀搀猀椀搀攀搀∀ 漀爀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 昀椀最甀爀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 ഊif I'd had both eyes I mighta seen that shot coming.., course there have been ਀琀椀洀攀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀眀漀 攀礀攀猀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀渀 椀洀瀀愀椀爀洀攀渀琀ⰀⰀ 氀椀欀攀 搀攀瀀攀渀搀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀洀 ഊfor the perifreal(sp) (I can read , but not spell,,) vision rather than ਀欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀 漀挀甀氀愀爀椀攀猀 洀漀瘀椀渀最 愀琀 栀椀最栀 猀瀀攀攀搀 椀渀 愀 洀攀氀攀攀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀ⰀⰀഊ ਀                                䴀愀猀琀攀爀 匀椀爀 䄀渀氀甀愀渀 吀爀攀氀愀椀渀攀ഊ West/Mists/Wolfscairn ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀甀稀攀⸀䠀愀洀洀漀渀搀 愀琀 昀㔀㘀⸀渀㄀　㔀⸀稀㄀⸀昀椀搀漀渀攀琀⸀漀爀最 ⠀匀甀稀攀 䠀愀洀洀漀渀搀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 20:34:00 -0800 ਀ഊ MM> From: michael.mccollum at dazed.charleston.sc.us (Katie) ਀ ഊ Ti> The comment that a wheelchair bound individual should ਀ 吀椀㸀 ∀猀琀愀礀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀∀Ⰰഊ ਀ 䴀䴀㸀 䐀漀攀猀渀✀琀 搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 愀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀 椀猀 甀琀琀攀爀氀礀 愀猀猀椀渀椀渀攀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀ഊ MM> another bigot who's prejudices are showing. I hope this individual ਀ 䴀䴀㸀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 栀漀氀搀 愀渀礀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 愀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 氀漀眀 昀漀爀洀ഊ MM> of organism. ਀ 䴀䴀㸀 䬀愀琀椀攀 ⠀渀漀琀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀⤀ഊ MM> aka Arianne ਀ഊ MM> A lady with a disease that may someday require that she show up at an ਀ 䴀䴀㸀 攀瘀攀渀琀 椀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 漀昀 栀攀爀 漀眀渀℀  䄀渀搀 圀䤀䰀䰀℀℀℀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 爀攀洀椀渀搀猀 洀攀 漀昀 琀眀漀 琀栀椀渀最猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䘀椀爀猀琀Ⰰ 搀椀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀 匀椀渀挀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 最漀琀ഊlimbs lopped off all the time, they must have had to be moved sometime, ਀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 猀椀渀挀攀 猀漀洀攀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀猀 洀漀瘀攀搀 椀渀 愀 挀椀爀挀甀椀琀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 栀漀甀猀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 椀渀 漀甀爀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 愀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 眀栀漀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀ഊchair, and I have seen him tear down his tent, booth, and entire camp ਀挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 戀礀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 攀渀樀漀礀 搀漀椀渀最 椀琀⸀ ⠀䤀 愀猀欀攀搀 椀昀 栀攀 渀攀攀搀攀搀ഊanything and he said "oh no, I like doing it myself!" and proceeded to ਀爀漀氀氀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 搀甀猀琀礀 最爀漀甀渀搀 ⠀䤀 洀攀愀渀 猀愀渀猀 挀栀愀椀爀⤀ 瀀椀氀椀渀最 琀栀椀渀最猀 椀渀琀漀ഊloads for his van, pulling down the tent, rolling up the carpet, etc., ਀琀栀攀渀 栀椀欀攀搀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 琀漀 最攀琀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 瘀愀渀 琀漀 洀漀瘀攀 椀琀 椀渀琀漀ഊplace and to reach the van floor and load up. Truly a wonder to behold! ਀⠀䄀渀搀 昀愀猀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 甀猀 ∀漀爀搀椀渀愀爀椀氀礀ⴀ愀戀氀攀搀∀ 昀漀氀欀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䠀攀 眀愀猀 猀漀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀椀瘀攀 䤀✀搀 栀愀瘀攀 挀栀攀攀爀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 攀洀戀愀爀爀愀猀猀攀搀 栀椀洀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀⸀⸀⸀ 䴀漀爀攀愀挀栀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: lmartin at utic (Lee Martindale) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: wheelchairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㈀ 䴀愀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 　㔀㨀㔀㜀㨀㈀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: UniComp Technologies International Corp -- Internet Service ਀ഊBECKUM (beckum at aol.com) wrote: ਀㨀 吀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 愀爀攀 椀渀 眀栀攀攀氀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 椀猀ഊ: censorship and I would rather not see the SCA get into that. ਀ഊWith respect, m'lady....trying to keep people who are in wheelchairs away ਀昀爀漀洀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 椀猀 䤀䴀倀伀匀匀䤀䈀䰀䔀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 漀昀 甀猀 椀渀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀Ⰰ 洀礀猀攀氀昀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 眀漀甀氀搀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀ഊwas need, *crawl* up whatever obstacles stood in our way, and then ਀爀攀洀愀爀欀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀攀搀 椀渀 瀀漀攀洀Ⰰ 琀甀渀攀 漀爀 琀愀氀攀⸀  ⠀䠀攀氀氀 栀愀琀栀 渀漀 昀甀爀礀 氀椀欀攀 愀ഊticked-off bard.) ਀ഊI didn't see the original post that started this, but the tone of the ਀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀猀 瀀甀琀猀 洀攀 椀渀 洀椀渀搀 漀昀 洀礀 昀椀爀猀琀 漀甀琀搀漀漀爀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀 ⴀ 匀琀攀瀀瀀攀猀ഊWarlord XIX. I was making my way to the showerhouse on my magical ਀猀攀搀愀渀 挀栀愀椀爀 眀栀攀渀 愀 氀愀搀礀 ⠀眀栀漀洀 䤀 栀愀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 猀攀攀渀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 猀攀攀渀ഊsince), put herself in my way and proceeded to lecture me on how ਀甀渀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀攀 愀昀漀爀攀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 洀漀搀攀 漀昀 洀漀戀椀氀椀琀礀 眀愀猀 愀渀搀 栀漀眀 䤀 栀愀搀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀ഊ*destroyed* her sense of ambiance. I listened as patiently as my ਀戀氀愀搀搀攀爀 眀漀甀氀搀 瀀攀爀洀椀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀愀渀欀攀搀 栀攀爀 昀漀爀 栀攀爀 挀漀甀渀猀攀氀⸀  䤀 瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀搀ഊto abandon my unseemly form of conveyance the very minute she could ਀猀攀挀甀爀攀 昀漀爀 洀攀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀攀搀愀渀 挀栀愀椀爀 愀渀搀 㘀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 氀愀搀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀琀 洀礀 戀攀挀欀ഊand call to carry. (6 in that I am a lady of generous proportions). ਀匀栀攀 眀愀猀 愀最栀愀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 眀漀爀猀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀 琀栀攀渀 攀砀挀甀猀攀搀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 愀渀搀 洀愀搀攀ഊa necessarily hasty exit - right over her toes. ਀ഊUnseemly tho that woman may have found it, my sedan chair has "earned ਀椀琀猀 欀攀攀瀀∀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 猀椀渀挀攀⸀  䰀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 圀愀爀氀漀爀搀 猀椀琀攀 氀愀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊpath of a tornadic storm, with a swift, camp-wide warning essential. ਀䤀琀 眀愀猀 洀攀 琀漀 眀栀漀洀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀猀 挀愀洀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀愀琀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 爀漀甀渀搀 ⴀഊat 5.5 miles per hour. ਀ഊAnd this year I have the honor to be co-autocrating Steppes Warlord ਀堀堀䤀䤀 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀⸀ഊ ਀䬀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀 ∀眀栀攀攀氀椀攀猀∀ 愀眀愀礀㼀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 渀漀琀℀  䄀渀搀 椀琀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀猀 洀攀 琀漀 爀攀愀搀ഊthat others think it ridiculous as well. Thank you.... ਀ഊLy. Llereth ਀  ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀攀昀昀猀 愀琀 洀愀琀栀⸀戀甀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䨀攀昀昀 匀甀稀甀欀椀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: 28 Mar 1995 14:09:05 -0500 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀ഊ ਀䴀漀爀攀愀挀栀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀䘀椀爀猀琀Ⰰ 搀椀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀 匀椀渀挀攀ഊ>people got limbs lopped off all the time, they must have had to be ਀㸀洀漀瘀攀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 猀椀渀挀攀 猀漀洀攀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀猀 洀漀瘀攀搀 椀渀 愀 挀椀爀挀甀椀琀ഊ>between several houses. ਀ഊThere's a painting by...Breughel? That shows a bunch of beggars ਀眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 氀椀洀戀猀⸀  吀栀攀礀✀爀攀 甀猀椀渀最 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀猀 ⠀挀爀甀琀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 礀攀猀Ⰰഊbut artificial legs as well) to get around. IMSC, one of them was on ਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 瘀攀爀礀 洀甀挀栀 氀椀欀攀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 ∀刀愀搀椀漀 䘀氀礀攀爀∀ഊwagons, using crutches to propel himself. ਀ഊAny good book on medical history will talk about the history of ਀瀀爀漀猀琀栀攀琀椀挀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀猀⸀  ⠀唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀 愀爀攀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 挀漀愀猀琀⤀ഊ ਀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 琀栀攀 䄀氀挀栀礀洀椀猀琀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀㨀 愀洀 䤀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 爀椀最栀琀㼀ഊFrom: nancy.frankel at canrem.com (Nancy Frankel) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 䴀愀礀 㤀㔀 ㄀㄀㨀㈀㠀㨀　　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) ਀ഊAt the risk of having someone land on my head with both feet (or at ਀氀攀愀猀琀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 眀栀攀攀氀猀℀⤀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀 琀漀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀ഊpeople who seem a bit perplexed as to why wheelchairs are disallowed ਀昀爀漀洀 洀攀氀攀攀 挀漀洀戀愀琀⸀  䤀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 洀礀 攀渀琀椀爀攀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀ഊlast year, as well as the people fighting with them, that a certain ਀瀀攀爀猀漀渀 椀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 眀愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 愀 栀甀洀愀渀 戀愀琀琀攀爀椀渀最 爀愀洀Ⰰ 挀愀甀猀椀渀最ഊa fair bit of unwarranted physical injury (in illegal areas- below ਀琀栀攀 欀渀攀攀 攀琀挀⤀ 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀攀 眀愀猀 猀洀愀猀栀攀搀 椀渀琀漀⸀  吀栀攀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀猀 搀漀 渀漀琀ഊend there (with the people being hit by him). Questions were also ਀爀愀椀猀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 攀砀琀攀渀琀 漀昀 椀渀樀甀爀椀攀猀 栀攀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 挀漀甀氀搀 昀愀挀攀 戀礀 戀攀椀渀最ഊtoppled over & trod upon. Whereas that is an eventuality that all melee ਀昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 昀愀挀攀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 昀甀氀氀 昀甀渀挀琀椀漀渀椀渀最 愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊlegs can pull them selves up under their shields (turtling up) to avoid ਀昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 椀渀樀甀爀礀⸀ 䤀昀 愀 最攀渀琀氀攀 椀猀 椀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀猀甀洀愀戀氀礀 栀攀 漀爀 猀栀攀 椀猀ഊnot capable of using their legs either at all or somewhat, and in this ਀挀愀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 最攀琀 愀眀愀礀 琀漀 猀愀昀攀琀礀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀漀漀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 挀栀愀氀氀攀渀最攀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀漀渀 琀栀攀 戀攀氀琀 漀爀ഊbaldric through fighting prowess ... no-one in charge of the War rules ਀琀栀椀猀 礀攀愀爀 挀愀渀 最愀椀渀猀愀礀 琀栀攀椀爀 爀椀最栀琀猀 漀爀 愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀 琀漀 瀀氀愀礀 椀渀ഊsingle/tournament combat. However, in a mass melee situation, it is ਀挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 愀渀 甀渀渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 爀椀猀欀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 椀琀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 愀 挀愀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀ഊone guy whose group used him as a siege engine ruining the opportunity ਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 愀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊFurthermore, lest anyone out there think that this is a prejudicial ਀猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 氀攀琀 愀氀氀 眀栀漀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀椀猀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 爀甀氀攀搀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀刀攀愀氀洀ഊmany (many) years ago, the person I chose as my Champion only had one ਀氀攀最⸀ 䠀椀猀 攀渀琀栀甀猀椀愀猀洀 昀漀爀 愀渀搀 攀渀樀漀礀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀瀀漀爀琀Ⰰ 搀攀猀瀀椀琀攀 栀椀猀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀ഊchallenges were the attributes which made him an augmentation to my ਀挀漀甀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀   䤀昀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀愀椀搀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 栀攀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 戀攀 洀椀猀挀漀渀猀琀爀甀攀搀 愀猀ഊan insult, please believe that I have no intention of doing so. I just ਀搀椀搀 渀漀琀 眀愀渀琀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最猀 ☀ 儀甀攀攀渀猀 眀栀漀 猀攀琀ഊup the War rules this year had any prejudices or biases or bad feelings ਀琀漀眀愀爀搀猀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 挀栀愀氀氀攀渀最攀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀ 吀栀攀礀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀氀氀 眀椀猀攀 ☀ 瀀甀爀攀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最ഊindividuals, are merely concerned for the safety of all. ਀ഊThank you for listening ਀䌀漀甀渀琀攀猀猀 䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䌀愀椀琀氀椀渀 匀琀甀愀爀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: alysk at ix.netcom.com (Elise Fleming ) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: YKYITSDAW ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㜀㨀　㘀㨀㈀㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Netcom ਀ഊIn <3uojv9$pt at ns.mcs.kent.edu> jhusvar at nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (John ਀䠀甀猀瘀愀爀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀 ഊ ਀㸀吀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 昀椀最甀爀攀 漀甀琀 愀 眀愀礀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 猀攀攀洀 氀攀猀猀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 椀猀 愀ഊ>real puzzlement. ਀ഊ>The chair will just have to take its chances with whatever "Period ਀㸀倀漀氀椀挀攀∀ 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀 琀漀 昀愀氀氀 甀瀀漀渀 椀琀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀甀猀栀攀猀⸀ 㨀⤀ഊ ਀䠀洀ⴀ洀ⴀ洀⸀  䠀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 洀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 椀渀琀漀 愀 䌀栀愀椀爀 漀昀 䔀猀琀愀琀攀㼀  䌀愀渀 礀漀甀ഊaffix some rods to the back sides and rig up a lovely brocade fabric to ਀洀愀欀攀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀愀椀爀 椀渀琀漀 漀渀攀 昀漀爀 愀 䠀椀最栀 䰀漀爀搀㼀  䤀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀 愀 猀甀渀ഊshade. I'm not sure how better to describe it than being similar to a ਀挀愀渀漀瀀礀 戀攀搀⸀⸀⸀礀漀甀✀爀攀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 愀 挀愀渀漀瀀礀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀⸀  夀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 瀀甀琀 愀ഊlittle of the fabric down from the arms, fastening it to avoid getting ਀椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 眀栀攀攀氀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀礀猀 䬀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: rudi3964 at utdallas.edu ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: YKYITSDAW ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㔀㨀　㄀㨀㔀㤀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: The University of Texas at Dallas ਀ഊNo problem -- people usually ignore wheelchairs as much as they do ਀攀礀攀最氀愀猀猀攀猀 愀渀搀 搀甀挀琀 琀愀瀀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 琀椀洀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀 琀愀欀攀渀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 渀漀琀椀挀攀 漀昀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀ⴀ挀栀愀椀爀 眀愀猀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 ഊwas drawn in a fencing list against Baron Lyelf the Lame, who fights from ਀栀椀猀 挀栀愀椀爀⸀  䤀 琀漀漀欀 洀礀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀 挀栀愀椀爀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀搀 洀攀琀 栀椀洀 椀渀 攀焀甀愀氀 挀漀洀戀愀琀⸀ഊ ਀刀漀戀椀渀 漀昀 䜀椀氀眀攀氀氀⼀䨀愀礀 刀甀搀椀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: corun at access4.digex.net (Corun MacAnndra) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: SCA in whellchairs. Was Re: YKYITSDAW ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㌀㨀㌀㄀㨀㈀㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA ਀ഊIn article <3uojv9$pt at ns.mcs.kent.edu>, ਀䨀漀栀渀 䠀甀猀瘀愀爀 㰀樀栀甀猀瘀愀爀 愀琀 渀椀洀椀琀稀⸀洀挀猀⸀欀攀渀琀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>In article <3umq93$g5v at metroux.metrobbs.com> nutmeg at clubmet.metrobbs.com writes: ਀㸀㸀夀漀甀 琀爀礀 琀漀 挀漀瘀攀爀 礀漀甀爀 攀砀挀攀猀猀椀瘀攀氀礀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 戀愀挀欀瀀愀挀欀 眀椀琀栀 愀 ഊ>>length of Buchanan tartan. Then you are quietly taken aside by a good gentle ਀㸀㸀眀栀漀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀猀 愀琀 氀攀渀最琀栀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀愀爀琀愀渀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 漀戀琀爀甀猀椀瘀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 ഊ>>original luggage. ਀㸀ഊ>And No Kidding There I Am, too! ਀㸀ഊ>Trying to figure out a way to make a wheelchair seem less mundane is a ਀㸀爀攀愀氀 瀀甀稀稀氀攀洀攀渀琀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䠀攀爀攀 椀琀 戀攀 愀 昀攀眀 眀攀攀欀猀 昀爀漀洀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 愀渀搀 䤀Ⰰ 琀漀漀Ⰰ 挀愀渀✀琀 焀甀椀琀攀 搀攀挀椀搀攀 眀栀愀琀 ഊ>to do with this thing. ਀㸀ഊ>I'm at the point where I'm ready to just bite the blade and let the thing ਀㸀栀愀渀最 漀甀琀 椀渀 愀氀氀 椀琀✀猀 爀愀搀椀愀渀琀 最氀漀爀礀 愀渀搀 挀漀渀挀攀渀琀爀愀琀攀 漀渀 洀愀欀椀渀最 开洀攀开 愀猀 ഊ>un-mundane as possible. ਀㸀ഊ>The chair will just have to take its chances with whatever "Period ਀㸀倀漀氀椀挀攀∀ 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀 琀漀 昀愀氀氀 甀瀀漀渀 椀琀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀甀猀栀攀猀⸀ 㨀⤀ഊ ਀䴀椀氀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 䴀椀氀愀搀礀Ⰰഊ ਀吀眀漀 琀栀椀渀最猀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 愀搀搀氀攀搀 栀攀愀搀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀倀爀椀洀甀猀㨀 吀栀攀 攀愀猀椀攀猀琀 愀渀搀 洀漀猀琀 挀漀渀瘀攀渀椀攀渀琀 琀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 礀漀甀 椀猀 琀漀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀 氀攀愀瘀攀ഊthe chairs alone. People should just adopt the same concept the Japanese ਀栀愀瘀攀 愀搀漀瀀琀攀搀 眀爀琀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 椀渀 栀漀甀猀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 眀愀氀氀猀⸀ 夀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 漀爀 栀攀愀爀ഊwhat you aren't supposed to see or hear. At this point, the chair simply ਀挀攀愀猀攀猀 琀漀 攀砀椀猀琀⸀ 夀漀甀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 琀爀攀愀琀攀搀 愀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 搀椀最渀椀琀礀ഊand honour you deserve. This is something that chairless people can then ਀氀攀愀爀渀 琀漀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀ഊ ਀匀攀挀甀渀搀甀猀㨀 夀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀琀琀愀挀栀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 瘀攀爀礀 氀椀欀攀 愀 栀漀爀猀攀 漀爀 愀 瀀漀爀琀椀漀渀 漀昀ഊa horse to the front of your chair, and voila, you're in a horse drawn ਀挀愀爀琀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 昀攀氀氀漀眀 眀栀漀 爀椀搀攀猀 愀 戀椀挀礀挀氀攀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀ഊfront and hind quarters attache to the bike, disguising it as much as ਀瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀ 䤀 漀渀挀攀 愀琀琀攀渀搀攀搀 愀 刀攀渀 䘀愀椀爀攀 琀漀 戀愀戀礀猀椀琀 琀栀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 戀漀礀 漀昀 愀 搀攀愀爀ഊfriend of mine while she worked one of the booths. She had decorated his ਀猀琀爀漀氀氀攀爀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀琀椀渀最 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀椀渀最 愀 唀渀椀挀漀爀渀⸀ 㰀猀椀搀攀 渀漀琀攀 琀漀 愀氀氀 猀椀渀最氀攀ഊmen: walking around a Ren Faire with a baby boy in a stroller disguised ਀愀猀 愀 甀渀椀挀漀爀渀 椀猀 愀 戀椀最 栀椀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀椀攀猀㸀ഊ ਀一漀眀 琀栀椀猀 氀愀琀琀攀爀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 挀甀琀攀Ⰰ 洀愀礀 戀攀 椀渀挀漀渀瘀攀渀椀攀渀琀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀 椀昀 琀栀攀ഊhorse (or yak or camel or whatever) has to be removed expiditously, say ਀眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 攀甀瀀栀攀洀椀猀洀⸀ 䈀甀琀 愀 挀氀攀瘀攀爀 挀爀愀昀琀猀瀀攀爀猀漀渀 挀漀甀氀搀 攀愀猀椀氀礀ഊfix it so it snaps into place with a few easily manipulated buckles or ਀猀漀洀攀 猀甀挀栀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀搀 椀昀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 栀漀爀猀攀 椀搀攀愀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀爀礀 琀栀攀 嘀椀欀椀渀最 氀漀渀最挀栀愀椀爀ഊdisguise. There is nothing so terrifying as the sight of a fierce Viking ਀愀琀琀愀挀欀椀渀最 椀渀 栀椀猀 漀爀 栀攀爀 氀漀渀最挀栀愀椀爀⸀ ⠀䠀攀礀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 戀甀猀 愀渀搀 䴀漀爀最愀渀愀✀猀ഊgolf cart) ਀ഊThese are just some ideas. Take them for what they are worth to you. ਀ഊIn service, ਀䌀漀爀甀渀 ⠀琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀愀琀爀攀Ⰰ 琀漀漀 氀漀渀最 椀渀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀⤀ഊ=============================================================================== ਀   䌀漀爀甀渀 䴀愀挀䄀渀渀搀爀愀   簀 ऀऀ吀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 爀甀氀攀 漀昀 椀渀琀攀氀氀椀最攀渀琀 琀椀渀欀攀爀椀渀最ഊ Dark Horde by birth | is to save all the pieces. ਀   䴀漀爀椀琀甀 戀礀 挀栀漀椀挀攀  簀 ऀऀऀ       ऀऀऀ  䄀⸀ 䰀攀漀瀀漀氀搀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: cjcannon at ucdavis.EDU (Carol Cannon) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: RE: Wheelchairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㜀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㤀㨀㈀㜀㨀㄀㐀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: The Internet ਀ഊI know it's a little out of period, but I found an illustration of ਀✀䰀漀甀椀猀 堀䤀嘀 瘀攀椀氀氀椀猀猀愀渀琀 瀀爀漀洀攀渀攀 搀愀渀猀 氀攀 瀀愀爀挀 搀攀 嘀攀爀猀愀椀氀氀攀猀✀ 漀渀 瀀⸀ 㐀㄀ 漀昀 ഊ"Montesquieu" / Jean Starobinski. Paris : Seuil, 1994. ਀ഊIt shows the king seated on what looks like the floorboard of a chariot ਀嬀椀⸀攀⸀ 昀氀愀琀 愀渀搀 甀ⴀ猀栀愀瀀攀搀 椀渀 昀爀漀渀琀崀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀氀漀漀爀戀漀愀爀搀 戀攀椀渀最 洀漀甀渀琀攀搀 漀渀 ㄀ ഊsmall wheel, which is turned by the passenger's moving a steering lever ਀氀椀欀攀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀渀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 栀愀渀搀ⴀ猀挀漀漀琀攀爀⸀  吀栀攀 琀眀漀 戀愀挀欀 眀栀攀攀氀猀 愀爀攀 洀甀挀栀 ഊlarger. The king's throne/chair is royally upholstered, of course. The ਀挀漀渀琀爀愀瀀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀甀猀栀攀搀 戀礀 渀漀琀 氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀爀攀攀 最漀漀搀ⴀ猀椀稀攀搀 昀漀漀琀洀攀渀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀漀猀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 眀椀猀栀 琀漀 琀爀愀搀攀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊperhaps they could be 'guised by the use of a little lightweight plyboard ਀漀爀 㼀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 洀漀爀攀 氀椀欀攀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最 眀愀猀 甀猀椀渀最Ⰰ 攀猀瀀⸀ 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 ✀栀椀爀攀✀ ഊyourself some good healthy-looking footmen and put them in your livery. ਀ഊGood luck, in any case. -- Grannia ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀氀氀攀礀 愀琀 渀椀欀琀漀眀⸀挀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀愀氀氀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀䠀䔀䔀䰀䌀䠀䄀䤀刀匀 䄀一䐀ഊSummary: Disabled Guild ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㈀ 䄀瀀爀 㤀㔀 ㄀　㨀　㔀㨀㄀　 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208 ਀ഊMaureen S. O'Brien writes: ਀㸀 䤀渀 愀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀Ⰰ 爀攀戀攀氀 愀琀 栀漀爀搀攀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䴀愀爀欀 刀⸀ 䬀椀攀氀⤀ 猀愀礀猀㨀ഊ> >Great, now do something about it. The SCA prides itself on being a volunteer ਀㸀 㸀漀爀最椀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 猀漀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 ✀栀愀渀搀椀挀愀瀀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀✀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 圀栀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 眀攀 开愀氀氀开 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 昀漀爀 椀琀㼀  㨀⤀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 瀀爀漀瀀漀猀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 愀 最甀椀氀搀 漀昀 猀漀爀琀猀⸀  圀栀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀攀搀 匀挀愀搀椀愀渀猀 氀椀欀攀ഊ> ourselves, including the disabled ones whom life forces to be concerned, ਀㸀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 漀甀爀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀猀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 漀瘀攀爀 猀椀琀攀猀 昀漀爀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀ഊ> and do something to correct them? Perhaps one could also provide training ਀㸀 昀漀爀 昀漀氀欀猀 漀渀 眀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 戀攀 搀椀猀愀戀氀攀搀 愀渀搀 栀漀眀 漀渀攀 挀愀渀 搀漀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 ഊ> things that make the event more liveable for everyone. ਀ഊSaid guild has already formed! Contact the guildmaster(s) at: ਀ऀ䜀甀椀氀氀椀愀洀攀 愀渀搀 䬀礀氀愀爀愀 搀甀 䈀氀甀洀漀渀琀ഊ c/o Randall and Kathy Gradl ਀ऀ㄀㄀㘀㈀㐀 䈀漀氀琀漀渀 刀漀愀搀ഊ Springville, NY 14141 ਀䈀吀圀Ⰰ 刀愀渀搀愀氀氀 椀猀 戀氀椀渀搀 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 漀甀爀 猀椀琀攀 猀攀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 挀爀攀眀⸀ഊIt may be mean, but it's fun watching site owners realize that they're ਀∀搀椀猀愀戀氀攀搀 愀挀挀攀猀猀愀戀氀攀 猀椀琀攀∀ 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀 ⨀䤀匀⨀ 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 瀀甀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀攀猀琀⸀ 㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 猀椀琀攀 挀栀攀挀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀攀 最甀椀氀搀 搀漀攀猀 瀀氀愀渀 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 搀椀猀愀戀氀攀搀 愀眀愀爀攀渀攀猀猀ഊat upcoming A&S workshops. Currently, they're working with teaching ਀搀椀猀愀戀氀攀搀 渀攀眀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 琀栀攀 甀渀椀焀甀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀  倀愀爀渀攀氀氀Ⰰ 刀愀渀搀愀氀氀✀猀ഊdog, who's been taught to keep Randall from harm, would pull him away from ਀愀 氀椀猀琀 昀椀攀氀搀 愀猀 猀漀漀渀 愀猀 栀攀 栀攀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀栀椀渀最 猀琀愀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䐀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 椀最渀漀爀攀搀 漀爀 搀攀猀瀀椀猀攀搀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㬀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀ഊ> were disabled were as much a contributing part of their world as they ਀㸀 愀爀攀 漀昀 漀甀爀猀⸀  䌀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 伀搀椀渀✀猀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 瀀爀漀瘀攀爀戀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀氀搀攀爀 䔀搀搀愀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀漀眀ഊ> even the blind and the lame were useful to the community. If the Norse, ਀㸀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 栀愀爀猀栀 眀漀爀氀搀Ⰰ 挀漀甀氀搀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 眀愀礀猀 琀漀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀愀戀氀攀搀ഊ> participate as equals, surely it would be uncourteous, unchivalrous, ਀㸀 愀渀搀 搀漀眀渀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀甀瀀椀搀 昀漀爀 甀猀 渀漀琀 琀漀 搀漀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀䔀瘀攀爀 琀愀欀攀 愀 栀愀渀搀ⴀ猀瀀椀渀渀椀渀最 氀攀猀猀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 戀氀椀渀搀㼀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀⸀  䠀攀爀 昀椀渀最攀爀猀ഊwere so deft and sure and fast, it was hard to believe she couldn't see ਀眀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 搀漀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀㸀 嬀䤀昀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 渀愀洀攀 椀琀 愀昀琀攀爀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀Ⰰ 䤀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 挀愀氀氀 椀琀 愀昀琀攀爀ഊ> Margaret of Castello, who though born with blindness, dwarfism, lameness, ਀㸀 愀渀搀 愀 栀甀渀挀栀戀愀挀欀 琀漀 挀漀渀琀攀渀搀 眀椀琀栀Ⰰ 洀椀渀椀猀琀攀爀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀漀爀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀漀洀 猀栀攀 氀椀瘀攀搀⸀ഊ> Or St. Germain. Or Tyr. Whoever we like.] ਀ഊThe guild is still in it's early stages of forming. I don't know if they've ਀瀀椀挀欀攀搀 愀 渀愀洀攀 礀攀琀⸀  匀甀最最攀猀琀 椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀椀渀最猀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 搀漀Ⰰ 䤀 猀甀最最攀猀琀ഊ> they contact Samanda Jeude (I've got her address;e-mail me for it), one ਀㸀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀漀甀渀搀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀挀椀攀渀挀攀 昀椀挀琀椀漀渀 昀愀渀搀漀洀 栀愀渀搀椀挀愀瀀瀀攀搀 愀挀挀攀猀猀 最爀漀甀瀀Ⰰ ഊ> Electrical Eggs. She'd be used to issues like weird clothes and you ਀㸀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 眀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀 眀栀漀 眀攀 愀爀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䜀椀瘀攀 洀攀 栀攀爀 唀匀渀愀椀氀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀 愀渀搀 䤀✀氀氀 瀀愀猀猀 椀琀 漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀⸀  吀栀攀礀✀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀ഊlove to her from her. ਀ ഊ> Maureen S. O'Brien We are like the roses --- ਀㸀 愀搀㐀㔀㄀ 愀琀 搀愀礀琀漀渀⸀眀爀椀最栀琀⸀攀搀甀ऀऀ圀攀 愀爀攀 昀漀爀挀攀搀 琀漀 最爀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀                                                       ⴀ 䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀ഊ ਀匀䌀䄀 倀攀爀猀漀渀愀 㨀 䰀漀爀搀 䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀 䌀漀氀氀椀渀最眀漀漀搀 漀昀 䔀洀攀爀愀氀搀 䰀愀欀攀Ⰰ 䌀匀䌀Ⰰ 䌀䬀Ⰰ 䌀吀爀ഊHabitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony ਀䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀    㨀 猀愀氀氀攀礀 愀琀 挀猀⸀挀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀⸀攀搀甀  ⠀倀氀攀愀猀攀 甀猀攀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 爀攀瀀氀礀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 眀漀爀欀⸀⤀ഊUSnail-net : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029 ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀甀猀琀 䬀愀琀攀 㰀攀稀　㄀　㈀㘀㌀ 愀琀 瀀攀猀攀琀愀⸀甀挀搀愀瘀椀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䔀瀀椀氀攀瀀猀礀 愀渀搀 䘀椀最栀琀椀渀最ഊDate: 3 Jan 1996 09:43:51 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䐀愀瘀椀猀ഊ ਀挀攀爀漀猀攀渀戀攀爀最 愀琀 甀猀愀⸀瀀椀瀀攀氀椀渀攀⸀挀漀洀⠀䌀愀爀氀 刀漀猀攀渀戀攀爀最⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊrefore, this ਀㸀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 攀瀀椀氀攀瀀猀礀 挀愀渀 愀瘀漀椀搀 琀栀椀猀 甀渀渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 洀攀搀椀挀愀氀 椀渀琀攀爀瘀攀渀琀椀漀渀 戀礀ഊ> letting others know of his condition. A medical bracelet is insufficient ਀㸀 愀猀 椀琀 椀猀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀漀 戀攀 氀漀猀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀漀爀⸀ ഊ> Carl Rosenberg ਀ഊI have to agree that a medic alert can be overlooked, as Carl ਀渀漀琀攀搀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 愀 戀愀搀 椀搀攀愀 琀漀 眀愀爀渀 昀漀氀欀猀 漀昀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 爀攀最愀爀搀氀攀猀猀ഊ(like the marshal and/or chirurgeon and/or someone you trust). ਀䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 琀攀氀氀椀渀最 愀 琀漀琀愀氀 猀琀爀愀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰഊthe paticulars of my medical make-up; so I have a medic alert ਀愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 琀漀 洀礀 戀爀攀愀猀琀瀀氀愀琀攀 椀渀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀瘀攀猀 ഊpermanently around my neck. A friend of mine put two spaced ਀栀漀氀攀猀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀 爀椀洀 漀昀 栀椀猀 栀攀氀洀 昀漀爀 栀椀猀 猀瀀愀爀攀 洀攀搀椀挀 愀氀攀爀琀ഊ(I originally stole the idea from him). Both places are up ਀昀爀漀渀琀 椀渀 渀漀琀椀挀愀戀氀攀 猀瀀漀琀猀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 愀 戀愀搀 眀愀礀 琀漀 愀瀀瀀爀漀愀挀栀 琀栀攀ഊproblem. ਀ഊttfn, Twcs ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 欀攀氀氀漀最最 愀琀 爀漀栀愀渀⸀猀搀猀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䌀⸀ 䬀攀瘀椀渀 䬀攀氀氀漀最最⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 樀漀椀渀㬀 䈀唀吀ഊDate: 20 Feb 1996 18:49:23 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀愀渀 䐀椀攀最漀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊ ਀䈀爀椀吀栀礀氀愀 ⠀戀爀椀琀栀礀氀愀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: As many have said, don't allow your disability to stop you. At Pennsic, ਀㨀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 礀漀甀渀最 洀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 昀椀最栀琀猀 椀渀 愀爀洀漀爀 昀爀漀洀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀 挀栀愀椀爀⸀ 䠀椀猀ഊ: friends lashed wooden poles to the sides and one of them pushes him around ਀㨀 琀栀攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀昀椀攀氀搀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 挀愀渀 昀椀最栀琀 琀漀漀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䤀 洀椀猀猀攀搀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 眀栀椀氀攀 愀琀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 氀攀琀 洀攀 愀搀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊmany encouraging words already spoken. I have the marvelous privilege ਀漀昀 戀攀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 愀猀 琀眀漀 昀椀渀攀 最攀渀琀氀攀洀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 樀甀猀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀ഊto be in wheel chairs. Baron Talaque reigned as Baron of Calafia from ਀栀椀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 愀渀搀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 椀渀ഊhis retirement. He serves as Faculty Advisor for the College of ਀匀琀⸀ 䤀猀椀猀搀漀爀攀⸀  䰀漀爀搀 䴀愀爀欀 搀攀 䈀甀攀愀甀洀攀渀漀椀爀攀 ⠀猀漀爀爀礀Ⰰ 䴀愀爀欀Ⰰ 䤀 欀渀漀眀 䤀 戀甀琀挀栀攀爀攀搀ഊthe spelling) has served as the communications officer at the last several ਀倀漀琀爀攀爀漀 眀愀爀猀Ⰰ 洀漀渀椀琀漀爀椀渀最 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 䌀䈀✀猀Ⰰ 䠀愀洀 爀愀搀椀漀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀攀氀氀 瀀栀漀渀攀猀Ⰰഊas well as generally keeping Autocrat's Camp organized. He also edited ਀琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 䌀愀氀愀昀椀愀渀 䐀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀礀⸀  䈀漀琀栀 洀攀渀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 最漀漀搀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 琀漀ഊour Household, and are valued members of Calafia. ਀ഊ Avenel Kellough ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀氀氀攀礀 愀琀 渀椀欀琀漀眀⸀挀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀愀氀氀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀椀最渀 䰀愀渀最甀愀最攀 椀渀 䌀漀甀爀琀㼀㼀㼀ഊDate: 3 Nov 1996 01:07:00 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䌀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀Ⰰ 䈀甀昀昀愀氀漀Ⰰ 一夀  ㄀㐀㈀　㠀ഊ ਀䐀攀攀圀漀氀昀昀 ⠀搀攀攀眀漀氀昀昀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: I have the privilege of residing in the East, where there is a wonderful ਀㨀 栀攀爀愀氀搀 眀栀漀 猀椀最渀攀搀 樀甀猀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 挀漀甀爀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀琀琀攀渀搀攀搀⸀ 䤀 甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀ഊ: do not know her name, but I sure the current royals do...... ਀ഊShe's Lady Cedar. Pennsic Court was wonderful this year. The herald called ਀⨀栀攀爀⨀ 椀渀琀漀 挀漀甀爀琀 琀漀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀 愀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀眀愀爀搀⸀  匀栀攀 眀愀猀 椀渀 昀甀氀氀 ∀䤀渀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 漀甀琀ഊthe fingers" mode when she suddenly realized she was signing her own name! ਀匀栀攀 猀琀漀瀀瀀攀搀 挀漀氀搀Ⰰ 猀琀愀爀攀搀 愀琀 栀攀爀 栀愀渀搀猀 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 猀攀挀漀渀搀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊherald. The entire court was grinning at her. The applause for her was ਀琀栀甀渀搀攀爀漀甀猀℀ഊ ਀                                                       ⴀ 䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀ഊ ਀匀䌀䄀 倀攀爀猀漀渀愀 㨀 䰀漀爀搀 䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀 䌀漀氀氀椀渀最眀漀漀搀 漀昀 䔀洀攀爀愀氀搀 䰀愀欀攀Ⰰ 䌀匀䌀Ⰰ 䌀䬀Ⰰ 䌀吀爀ഊHabitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony ਀䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀    㨀 猀愀氀氀攀礀 愀琀 挀猀⸀挀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀⸀攀搀甀  ⠀倀氀攀愀猀攀 甀猀攀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 爀攀瀀氀礀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 眀漀爀欀⸀⤀ഊUSnail-net : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, NY 14212-2029 ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀爀愀渀欀椀渀 愀琀 漀瀀⸀渀攀琀 ⠀匀甀猀愀渀 刀愀渀欀椀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䐀椀猀愀戀氀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ഊDate: 15 Sep 1997 15:31:44 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀瀀一攀琀 ⴀⴀ 䜀爀攀愀琀攀爀 倀栀椀氀愀搀攀氀瀀栀椀愀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ഊ ਀唀䐀匀䐀　　㜀 愀琀 䐀匀䤀䈀䴀⸀伀䬀䰀䄀䐀伀吀⸀匀吀䄀吀䔀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀 猀愀礀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ>What would make a site not "accessible" in your view? Is a ਀㸀猀椀琀攀 愀挀挀攀猀猀椀戀氀攀 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 最攀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀漀椀氀攀琀猀 愀渀搀 昀攀愀猀琀ഊ>without help? If, without aid, you can get to over half the ਀㸀愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀攀 椀渀㼀 䤀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 最攀琀 琀漀ഊ>everything? ਀ഊ Speaking as one with visual difficulties... Good things to look for are roomy indoor facilities. Will the room be big enough for everyone coming and still allow for the passage of wheelchairs or persons with various types of canes (Support canes as well as those used by the blind.) Is there a ramp leading into the Feast Hall? Is there at least one handicap toilet facility? Bonuses, though not expected as this can be difficult to find, a flat paved surface near the list field. At past Michaelmas events, we are fortunate enough to have such a setup, but none in wheelchairs have attended. ਀ഊ>In how much detail? What sorts of things would you want in the ਀㸀渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀㼀 圀栀愀琀 椀昀 琀栀攀 攀渀瘀椀爀漀渀洀攀渀琀 挀栀愀渀最攀搀 搀甀攀 琀漀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀ഊ>between the time the announcement was printed (or submitted ਀㸀昀漀爀 瀀爀椀渀琀椀渀最⤀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 搀愀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀㼀ഊ ਀       䠀洀洀洀Ⰰ 琀栀椀渀最猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀⸀⸀⸀ 圀攀氀氀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀 琀栀攀 攀砀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀愀洀瀀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 昀攀愀猀琀 栀愀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 琀漀椀氀攀琀 昀愀挀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 渀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 昀椀攀氀搀 愀爀攀 氀椀欀攀⸀ഊ ਀       匀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 漀甀爀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 挀愀渀 搀漀 愀爀攀㨀 ഊ 1 Ask for the event site phone number (if there is one) from the autocrat and call to ask those in charge of the site itself about facilities, ramps, and the allowance of guide dogs. ਀         ㈀    䄀 昀攀眀 搀愀礀猀 愀栀攀愀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 挀愀氀氀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀攀愀 昀漀爀 愀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀⸀  吀栀椀猀 眀椀氀氀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀 愀 挀氀甀攀 愀猀 琀漀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 氀椀欀攀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 琀愀欀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 瀀爀攀挀愀甀琀椀漀渀猀⸀  椀⸀攀⸀ 倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 戀爀椀渀最椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 猀栀攀攀琀猀 漀昀 眀漀漀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀 瀀愀琀栀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 眀栀攀攀氀 挀栀愀椀爀 琀漀 琀爀愀瘀攀氀 愀渀搀 戀攀 猀攀愀琀攀搀 甀瀀漀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 昀椀攀氀搀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀猀 挀愀渀 攀瘀攀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 漀渀氀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀         吀栀攀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀猀 樀漀戀 椀猀 愀 戀椀最 漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀 渀攀爀瘀攀 眀爀愀挀欀椀渀最 漀渀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀 昀攀眀 琀栀椀渀最猀 眀攀 挀愀渀 搀漀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 愀 戀椀琀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 戀礀 搀漀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 漀甀爀 漀眀渀 挀栀攀挀欀椀渀最⸀  圀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 漀甀琀 愀 渀攀眀 猀椀琀攀 昀漀爀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀洀愀猀 猀漀漀渀 愀渀搀 䤀 椀渀琀攀渀搀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀 愀 氀漀漀欀ⴀ猀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 愀昀漀爀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀猀 椀渀 洀椀渀搀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 眀攀 搀攀挀椀搀攀⸀ഊ ਀          䰀甀琀愀ഊ ਀ഊSubject: Re: ANST - Court Herald Style ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 　㜀 䨀愀渀 㤀㠀 ㈀㄀㨀㌀㔀㨀㔀㜀 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: Lee Martindale ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀ഊ ਀䬀愀琀攀爀礀渀 刀 䠀攀愀琀栀爀礀最攀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Actually, to be heard, one should stand with hips, shoulders and ears in ਀㸀 氀椀渀攀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 愀椀爀 挀漀氀甀洀渀 椀猀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀漀甀爀 昀愀挀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀ഊ> at the audience. ਀ഊIf I may interject a note to potential heralds from the ranks of ਀洀礀 昀攀氀氀漀眀 ∀眀栀攀攀氀椀攀猀∀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 愀昀漀爀攀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 瀀漀猀琀甀爀攀 挀愀渀 戀攀 猀甀挀挀攀猀猀昀甀氀氀礀ഊassumed from a sitting position. ਀ⴀⴀഊLee Martindale / Llereth Wyddffa an Myrddin / The Copper Bard ਀攀洀愀椀氀㨀 氀洀愀爀琀椀渀 愀琀 愀椀爀洀愀椀氀⸀渀攀琀ഊhttp://web2.airmail.net/lmartin ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䰀搀 吀爀椀猀琀愀渀 搀攀 刀漀挀栀攀戀爀甀渀攀∀ 㰀樀爀洀愀瀀攀猀 愀琀 挀欀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䘀眀搀㨀 匀䌀䄀ⴀ䐀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀ഊOrganization: Calontir ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㈀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 　㘀㨀㄀㐀㨀㄀㐀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊ ਀䄀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 攀瀀椀氀攀瀀猀礀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀 椀琀 洀愀礀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀 琀漀 爀攀瀀漀猀琀 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊ ਀䰀搀⸀ 吀爀椀猀琀愀渀ഊCalontir ਀ഊ----- Original Message ----- ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀栀爀椀猀 䐀攀渀渀礀∀ 㰀䬀攀椀搀愀氀攀 愀琀 眀攀戀琀瘀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀攀渀琀㨀 䴀漀渀搀愀礀Ⰰ 䄀甀最甀猀琀 ㌀　Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀㤀 㜀㨀　㄀ 䄀䴀ഊSubject: SCA-Disibilities ਀ഊ ਀ 䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀甀氀愀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀渀漀眀渀 圀漀爀氀搀Ⰰഊ After a debate that took place on the Middlebridge sometime back ਀ 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀椀渀最 欀椀搀猀 愀渀搀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 搀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 愀ഊ mailing list for just that.It is called SCA-Disabilities. There is so ਀ 洀愀渀礀 椀渀 漀甀爀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀 眀栀漀 昀愀氀氀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀椀猀 挀愀琀愀最漀爀礀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀琀 甀瀀ഊ a place where your concerns can be heard. ਀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 栀椀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最漀 琀漀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最Ⰰഊ www.onelist.com/subscribe/SCA-Disabilities ਀ 吀栀漀猀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 猀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀眀愀爀搀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 礀漀甀⸀ഊ Thank you ਀ 䬀攀椀搀愀氀攀ഊ ਀ 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀挀漀洀洀甀渀椀琀礀⸀眀攀戀琀瘀⸀渀攀琀⸀⼀䬀攀椀搀愀氀攀⼀吀栀攀䠀漀甀猀攀漀昀匀攀愀猀漀渀猀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Ted Eisenstein ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Epilepsy, diabetes, and other conditions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㘀㨀㈀㜀㨀㄀㘀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊ ਀吀愀氀愀渀 猀愀椀搀ഊ>>A good friend of mine was a diabetic who was subject to severe ਀栀礀瀀漀最氀礀挀攀洀椀挀 攀瀀椀猀漀搀攀猀 愀渀搀 最爀愀渀搀 洀愀氀 猀攀椀稀甀爀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀椀洀攀 䤀 猀瀀攀渀琀ഊmuch time with her in person she managed to have both in the space of a ਀昀攀眀 栀漀甀爀猀⸀  䄀猀 䤀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 攀椀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊperson available, I was *extremely* grateful for the brief ਀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀⼀椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 猀栀攀攀琀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 挀愀爀爀椀攀搀 瀀爀漀洀椀渀攀渀琀氀礀 椀渀 栀攀爀ഊpurse. She didn't *like* carrying it - I think that she felt that it ਀挀漀洀瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀搀 栀攀爀 椀渀搀攀瀀攀渀搀攀渀挀攀 ⴀ 戀甀琀 猀栀攀 ⠀爀攀氀甀挀琀愀渀琀氀礀℀⤀ 愀搀洀椀琀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀ഊwas the sensible and courteous thing to do.<< ਀ഊand, later in the same post ਀㸀㸀䄀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 椀猀猀甀攀 漀昀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀 猀攀攀 渀漀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀ഊinform your opponent of your condition as long as you've informed ਀⨀猀漀洀攀漀渀攀⨀ 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 愀 猀攀渀椀漀爀 洀愀爀猀栀愀氀 漀爀 琀眀漀 愀渀搀 愀ഊchirurgeon. (I'm assuming here that your doctor approves. If you ਀栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 愀猀欀攀搀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 搀漀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀爀猀琀⸀⤀㰀㰀ഊ ਀吀眀漀 眀漀爀搀猀㨀ഊ ਀䴀攀搀椀挀 䄀氀攀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀礀 欀攀攀瀀 愀 氀椀猀琀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 洀攀搀椀挀愀氀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 ⠀愀氀氀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀ഊdrug allergies to asthma to heart conditions to epilepsy to diabetes to ਀开愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最开 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 漀昀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀 琀漀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 琀爀攀愀琀椀渀最 礀漀甀 漀渀 愀渀ഊemergency basis.) The list is confidential. Medic Alert is a Good Thing ਀琀漀 欀渀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀⸀ഊThey also sell (more or less at cost) a bracelet/neck chain engraved ਀眀椀琀栀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 礀漀甀 愀猀欀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀甀琀 漀渀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀洀攀搀椀挀愀氀攀爀琀⸀漀爀最⼀ഊ ਀漀爀ഊ ਀䴀攀搀椀挀䄀氀攀爀琀 䘀漀甀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ2323 Colorado Avenue ਀吀甀爀氀漀挀欀Ⰰ 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀 㤀㔀㌀㠀㈀ⴀ㈀　㄀㠀ഊTelephone 1-800-IDALERT (1-800-432-5378) ਀䘀愀砀 ㈀　㤀ⴀ㘀㘀㤀ⴀ㈀㐀㤀㔀ഊ ਀䄀氀戀愀渀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 甀瀀搀愀琀攀 栀椀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:54:16 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䨀刀䴀愀瀀攀猀∀ 㰀樀爀洀愀瀀攀猀 愀琀 挀欀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - special needs ਀ഊFrom: "Stefan li Rous" ਀㸀 吀爀椀猀琀愀渀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀攀搀㨀ഊ> > From: "Rovena" ਀㸀 㸀 㸀 夀漀甀 猀琀愀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀椀渀最ഊin ਀㸀 㸀 㸀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最⸀  䤀猀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀愀氀椀猀琀椀挀㼀  䠀漀眀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀  瀀攀爀猀漀渀 昀椀最栀琀ഊin a ਀㸀 㸀 㸀 洀攀氀攀攀㼀ഊ> > ਀㸀 㸀 䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 儀甀椀琀攀 眀攀氀氀 琀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀 㨀ⴀ⤀ 䔀瘀攀渀 眀漀渀 猀漀洀攀 琀漀甀渀爀攀礀✀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 吀栀愀渀欀猀 吀爀椀猀琀愀渀 昀漀爀 最椀瘀椀渀最 甀猀 愀 昀椀爀猀琀ⴀ栀愀渀搀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 昀漀氀欀猀 椀渀ഊ> wheelchairs in SCA battles. Apparently in some situations being in a ਀㸀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 挀愀渀 戀攀 愀渀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀⸀ 䤀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 愀 挀漀洀戀愀琀 爀甀氀攀 昀漀爀ഊ> either Pennsic or Gulf Wars that you were not allowed to use your ਀㸀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 戀漀甀渀搀 挀漀洀爀愀搀攀猀 愀猀 戀愀琀琀攀爀椀渀最 爀愀洀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 礀漀甀爀 漀瀀瀀漀渀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀夀䔀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀  眀愀猀 漀欀 戀礀 洀攀⸀ 䤀 搀椀搀渀琀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀 漀昀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 愀ഊbattering ram lol. Wheelchair fighin has a huge advantage if you are good at ਀猀眀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 戀漀愀爀搀⸀ 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 琀愀爀最攀琀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 栀椀琀 椀猀 ㌀∀ 漀昀 䠀攀氀洀 愀渀搀 猀眀漀爀搀ഊarm when throwing a shot. ਀ഊ> Similarly, down here in Ansteorra, we have Sir Kief. Sir Kief, currently ਀㸀 䔀愀爀氀 䴀愀爀猀栀愀氀 昀漀爀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀Ⰰ 栀愀猀 漀渀攀 氀攀最 愀洀瀀甀琀愀琀攀搀 愀戀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 欀渀攀攀⸀ 䠀攀ഊ> fights in both tournaments and melees. Crutch and sword, anyone? The ਀㸀 氀愀猀琀 琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 䬀椀攀昀 椀猀 琀愀欀攀 栀椀猀 氀攀最⸀ 䠀攀✀猀 愀 琀漀甀最栀ഊ> competitor on one leg. He's much, much worse on the ground. ਀ഊ I owe a lot to Sir Kief. It was the butt chewing i took from him that ਀挀漀渀瘀椀攀渀挀攀搀 洀攀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 愀眀愀礀 洀礀 戀漀眀 愀渀搀 瀀甀氀氀 琀栀攀 氀椀最栀琀 愀爀挀栀攀爀 琀愀瀀攀 洀愀爀欀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀ഊmy helm to return to the melee with a big stik. It wouldnt have been so bad ਀琀栀愀琀 挀栀攀眀椀渀最 漀甀琀 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀琀 一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 刀攀最椀漀渀愀氀 吀爀椀戀甀琀攀 椀渀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀ഊeveyone, hehe. called out in front of royals...hehe try being called down ਀漀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀瀀攀琀 椀渀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀 吀刀䴀✀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀爀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 戀氀攀攀搀椀渀最 渀漀爀琀栀攀爀渀ഊAnst army! ਀ഊYes it was Ansteorra where i relearned to fight from a wheelchair in many of ਀琀栀攀 渀漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 爀攀最椀漀渀 琀漀甀爀渀椀攀猀 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 一刀 圀愀爀氀漀爀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀昀 愀昀琀攀爀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 昀爀漀洀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀ഊ> or professional experience, please feel free to send me a message for ਀㸀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 椀渀挀氀甀猀椀漀渀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀䈀吀圀 䤀 猀攀渀琀 礀漀甀 漀昀昀 氀椀猀琀 愀渀 漀氀搀 攀洀愀椀氀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 搀愀礀猀⸀ 挀愀氀氀攀搀ഊWheelchair Combat: Limits and Precautions. If anyone else would care to get ਀椀琀 樀猀甀琀 最椀瘀攀 洀攀 愀 礀攀氀氀⸀ 椀琀猀 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 猀漀攀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀氀 栀椀渀琀猀 椀ഊlearned along the way of adjusting to fighting in a wheelchair from being a ਀猀琀愀渀搀 甀瀀 欀椀渀搀愀 最甀礀 攀爀 椀 洀攀愀渀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀吀爀椀猀琀愀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:40:12 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀⸀ 䐀攀氀 䈀漀挀挀椀漀∀ 㰀猀攀爀椀愀渀 愀琀 焀眀攀猀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - special needs ਀ഊthere is a list for people with disabilities in SCA called ਀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀搀椀猀愀戀氀攀搀猀Ⰰ 漀渀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀ഊinteresting discussions on a variety of topics regarding SCA ਀愀渀搀 愀挀挀攀猀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀 挀愀洀瀀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀爀挀栀攀爀礀Ⰰഊetc. If any of you are interested in this list but are ਀栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 椀琀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 氀攀琀 洀攀 欀渀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀匀攀爀椀愀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:58:44 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: SC - special needs ਀ഊRovena wrote: ਀㸀伀甀爀 猀栀椀爀攀 戀椀爀琀栀搀愀礀 椀猀 栀攀氀搀 椀渀 愀 栀漀爀猀攀 瀀愀猀琀甀爀攀⸀  吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 琀漀椀氀攀琀猀 愀爀攀 ഊ>portalets. There is no way we could alter the accomodations. ਀ഊOut here we can rent wheel-chair accessible port-a-potties. These are ਀甀猀攀昀甀氀 昀漀爀 愀氀氀 猀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 搀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀Ⰰ 戀攀椀渀最 ഊlower to the ground, having a wide doorway, and hand rails inside, as ਀眀攀氀氀 愀猀 愀 氀漀琀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀 猀瀀愀挀攀⸀ 䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 洀甀猀琀 挀漀猀琀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 ഊa regular single, but if you have other people in your shire with ਀瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 戀攀猀椀搀攀猀 礀漀甀爀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 眀漀爀琀栀 猀攀攀椀渀最 椀昀 ഊthey can fit into a budget. ਀ഊAnahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　㄀ 　㈀㨀㔀㤀㨀　㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "JRMapes" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 渀攀攀搀猀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 㰀䰀爀搀刀愀猀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊ> Ageed. There is no reason to expect the SCA fighters to provide for the ਀㸀 渀攀攀搀猀 漀昀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 戀漀甀渀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀ഊ ਀䤀昀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀 椀 眀漀甀氀搀 昀漀爀 漀渀攀 戀攀 漀昀昀攀渀搀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 搀漀渀琀 洀愀欀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 猀琀甀昀昀 甀瀀 昀漀爀ഊanyone else then why should i be different. If i win a tourney i dont want a ਀戀氀漀漀搀礀 愀猀琀攀爀椀猀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 戀攀猀椀搀攀 洀礀 渀愀洀攀⸀ 䔀椀琀栀攀爀 礀愀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 最椀瘀攀渀 爀甀氀攀猀 漀爀 礀愀 搀漀渀琀⸀ 䈀攀 椀琀 䘀椀最栀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 䄀爀琀猀 愀渀搀 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀 䌀漀洀瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 䄀爀挀栀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䌀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 昀漀爀 渀攀挀攀猀猀椀琀礀 椀昀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀Ⰰ 椀攀 瀀漀爀琀猀ഊjohns, temp ramps, even leaving the mushrooms out of the stew if severe ਀愀氀氀攀爀最椀攀猀 愀戀漀甀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀䌀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 昀漀爀 渀漀渀ⴀ渀攀挀攀猀猀椀琀礀 椀昀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 戀甀琀 椀琀猀ഊnot mandatory nor should it be. The gesture wil be greatly appreciated by ਀愀氀氀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀椀渀最 攀渀搀 椀洀 猀甀爀攀⸀ 䈀甀琀 琀漀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 椀琀 攀愀挀栀 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀椀洀攀ഊis as absurd as thinking just because I'm in a wheelchair. I also have brain ਀搀愀洀愀最攀 愀渀搀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 猀瀀漀欀攀渀 琀漀 瘀攀爀礀 氀漀甀搀 愀渀搀 瘀攀爀礀 猀氀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 洀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀琀猀 洀漀爀攀 爀攀眀愀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 椀 搀椀搀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀ഊexceptions being made because of my four wheels. ਀ഊTristan ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䨀刀䴀愀瀀攀猀∀ 㰀樀爀洀愀瀀攀猀 愀琀 挀欀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 圀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 䌀漀洀戀愀琀㨀 䰀椀洀椀琀猀 愀渀搀 倀爀攀挀愀甀琀椀漀渀猀ഊDate: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:46:44 -0500 ਀ഊHere is a copy of an old email i sent in a chit chat about wheelchair fighting. ਀䘀攀攀氀 昀爀攀攀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 椀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀⸀ 椀琀猀 愀 戀椀琀 漀氀搀 愀猀 椀 猀愀椀搀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀漀爀搀ഊi no longer hold my Auth. for fighting or Marshalling in Ansteorra not my ਀愀甀琀栀⸀ 昀漀爀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 椀渀 䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀爀椀猀琀愀渀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ 伀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀 ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊFrom: "Tristan" ਀匀攀渀琀㨀 圀攀搀渀攀猀搀愀礀Ⰰ ㈀㈀ 䐀攀挀攀洀戀攀爀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㨀㐀㤀 倀䴀ഊSubject: Fighting limits and precautions ਀ഊThe rules that I worked out for combat in Calon were very simple. ਀䘀椀爀猀琀 渀漀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 愀爀洀漀爀 愀渀搀 眀攀愀瀀漀渀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊIf the person like myself fights from a chair they start out as "legged" and ਀挀愀渀渀漀琀 洀漀瘀攀  攀砀挀攀瀀琀 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 昀攀攀琀 愀琀 愀 琀椀洀攀 漀爀 眀椀琀栀 愀猀猀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀⸀ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 爀甀氀攀猀 漀昀 洀漀瘀攀洀攀渀琀 愀昀琀攀爀 戀攀椀渀最 氀攀最最攀搀 椀渀 䌀愀氀漀渀⸀ 䔀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀ഊsince when holding weapons and or a shield and wearing gauntlets it is darn ਀愀栀爀搀 琀漀 洀漀瘀攀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 愀琀 愀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 戀攀最椀渀 眀椀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀氀 猀栀漀琀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀攀最猀 漀爀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 眀愀椀猀琀 搀漀眀渀 挀漀甀渀琀 愀猀 氀攀最 猀栀漀琀猀ഊagainst already taken legs... non-shots. ਀ഊAll shots to the backrest of the chair count as clean shots and a kill. ਀唀渀氀攀猀猀 琀栀攀 眀栀攀攀氀猀 瀀爀漀琀爀甀搀攀 栀椀最栀 愀戀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 猀攀愀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 洀漀猀琀 搀漀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 眀栀攀攀氀 猀栀漀琀ഊis same as leg shot. Therefore a non-shot since you start out legged. ਀ഊFor safety sake, upon death, there is no "falling" out of chair. Sword arm ਀最漀攀猀 漀瘀攀爀 栀攀愀搀 眀椀琀栀 猀眀漀爀搀 琀椀瀀 瀀漀椀渀琀椀渀最 搀漀眀渀 琀漀 最爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀漀甀 ∀礀攀氀氀 氀椀欀攀ഊhell" that you're dead. ਀ഊIts not a perfect system but everyone i have fought and many that has only ਀猀攀攀渀 洀攀 昀椀最栀琀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瘀攀 漀昀 椀琀 椀渀 䌀愀氀漀渀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⠀眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 愀洀 愀氀猀漀ഊa warrented fighter and marshall). ਀ഊMy only limits personnaly are weapon types, for instance Greatsword and ਀䈀愀猀琀愀爀搀 猀眀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 倀漀氀攀愀爀洀 ⠀栀愀氀戀攀爀搀⼀猀瀀攀愀爀⤀ 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀 瀀愀椀渀 搀甀攀 琀漀 戀攀椀渀最ഊthrown off balance when using them. But it varies greatly on the Kingdom ਀昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 猀琀礀氀攀 漀昀 猀甀挀栀 眀攀愀瀀漀渀猀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀 攀昀昀攀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 甀猀攀 䠀愀氀戀攀爀搀 漀爀 猀瀀攀愀爀 椀渀ഊAnst. where movement does not play as large a factor in the style. Unlike ਀䌀愀氀漀渀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀琀 洀漀瘀攀 瘀攀爀礀 昀愀猀琀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 搀椀攀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 甀猀椀渀最 猀甀挀栀 眀攀愀瀀漀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀圀攀愀瀀漀渀 猀礀猀琀攀洀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 䤀 昀攀攀氀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀ഊuse a weapon safely then use it otherwise dont. Like i said above though, this varies depending on the style used to fightthe weapon. ਀ഊMelees are a whole breed unto themselves. I have had mixed reviews on if I ਀猀栀漀甀氀搀 昀椀最栀琀 椀渀 洀攀氀攀攀猀⸀  䈀甀琀 渀漀 漀渀攀 栀愀猀 猀愀椀搀 愀 昀椀渀愀氀 ∀渀漀∀⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 琀漀 搀漀 愀ഊlot with how I was taught to fight long ago. ਀ ㄀⤀䜀椀瘀攀 渀漀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 渀漀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀⸀ഊ 2)The final authority on my personal safety and my opponents safety is me. ਀ഊkind of odd I know but that is how we have always policed ourselves, ਀洀愀爀猀栀愀氀氀✀猀 渀漀琀眀椀琀栀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最⸀ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 琀栀椀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 愀戀甀猀攀搀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀渀 椀琀猀 愀ഊfighters honor thing. ਀ഊSince we do not use a counted blow system in Anst or Calon that I am aware ਀漀昀 䤀 挀愀渀 渀漀琀 猀愀礀 栀漀眀 眀攀氀氀 漀爀 渀漀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 眀漀爀欀 椀渀 洀礀 挀愀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 洀愀樀漀爀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 琀栀愀琀 昀愀挀攀猀 愀 瀀愀爀愀 眀栀攀渀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 䤀匀 栀漀眀 栀漀渀漀爀愀戀氀攀 漀爀ഊdishonarable an oponnent is. It is easy to corkscrew a man on his knees or ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 漀爀 猀攀琀琀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀⸀ 䠀攀渀挀攀 爀甀氀攀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 椀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 昀漀爀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀 猀瀀攀愀爀洀愀渀⼀ 瀀漀氀攀愀爀洀 漀爀 最爀攀愀琀 眀攀愀瀀渀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 挀愀渀 猀琀愀渀搀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 猀渀椀瀀攀Ⰰ 椀琀猀ഊannoying as heck but legal to do. Honarable? IMHO...No. especially in one on one combat. In melees, its part of the game and everyone is vulnarable to a ਀猀瀀攀愀爀洀愀渀 挀漀洀椀渀最 愀琀 礀漀甀  搀漀眀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀 漀渀 愀渀 愀渀最氀攀⸀ഊ ਀䰀甀挀欀椀氀礀 昀漀爀 洀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 最甀礀猀 䤀 昀椀最栀琀 眀椀琀栀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䌀愀氀漀渀 愀渀搀ഊAnst. armies and to a man have never had one just set back and snipe me in ਀㄀ⴀ漀渀ⴀ㄀ 挀漀洀戀愀琀⸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 漀渀氀礀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀甀猀 昀愀爀 琀漀 愀渀礀 爀甀氀攀猀 椀猀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 洀愀渀搀愀琀攀ഊmaximum leg armor such as a 3/4 steel leg harness with extra padding at ਀琀栀椀最栀 昀漀爀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 昀椀最栀琀爀猀 氀攀最猀⸀ 猀椀渀挀攀  琀栀攀 琀栀椀最栀 椀猀 瀀攀爀瀀攀渀搀椀挀甀氀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀 最爀攀愀琀 漀爀 洀愀猀猀 眀攀愀瀀漀渀 挀漀洀椀渀最 搀漀眀渀  猀漀氀椀搀氀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀攀最  栀愀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 漀昀 猀渀愀瀀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀 琀栀椀最栀 戀漀渀攀⸀ 䤀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 愀昀琀攀爀 最漀椀渀最  ㄀ⴀ漀渀ⴀ㐀 椀渀 愀 洀攀氀攀攀  愀琀ഊNorthern Regional Warlord in Anst. , The 4 men I was taking on were all using greatswords. ਀ഊI also have suggested that they mandate shoulder and collar bone protection ਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䰀搀⸀ 吀爀椀猀琀愀渀 搀攀 刀漀挀栀攀戀爀甀渀攀ഊBois d'Arc ਀䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:21:40 EDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䈀爀漀渀眀礀渀洀最渀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: SC - special needs ਀ഊrovena at softdisk.com writes: ਀㸀 夀漀甀 猀琀愀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀椀渀最 椀渀ഊ> everything. Is that realistic? How would a wheelchair person fight in a ਀㸀 洀攀氀攀攀㼀  ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 吀甀挀栀甀欀 眀栀漀 甀猀攀猀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 眀栀漀 昀椀最栀琀猀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 ഊbattle at Pennsic. He has a special "battle chair" which his friends ਀洀愀渀攀甀瘀攀爀 昀漀爀 栀椀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀攀 昀椀最栀琀猀 昀爀漀洀 栀椀猀 欀渀攀攀猀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 昀漀漀琀愀最攀 昀爀漀洀 ഊthe Today show or Amazing America (I forget which) which was shot at Pennsic ਀愀戀漀甀琀 㔀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 栀椀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀 愀渀搀 ഊbeing wheeled into the fray as it starts. At least in the Pennsic rules, and ਀䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀䬀 爀甀氀攀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 渀攀眀 漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 猀琀愀琀攀猀 ഊ"Wheelchairs may not be used as battering rams"... There is also, of course, ਀匀椀爀 䬀攀椀昀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 椀猀 洀椀猀猀椀渀最 愀 氀攀最 愀渀搀 昀椀最栀琀猀 漀渀 琀眀漀 挀爀甀琀挀栀攀猀 愀渀搀 ഊone foot. It is my understanding that he joined the SCA, and was knighted, ਀愀昀琀攀爀 氀漀猀椀渀最 栀椀猀 氀攀最⸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀洀 愀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀 琀栀攀爀愀瀀椀猀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀  夀漀甀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀洀愀稀攀搀 ⠀䤀 ഊconstantly am, even after a dozen years in the field) at the things that ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 搀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀 挀漀渀猀琀愀渀琀氀礀 昀椀最甀爀攀 漀甀琀 眀愀礀猀 琀漀 搀漀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 眀愀礀 琀漀 眀漀爀搀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 琀漀琀愀氀氀礀 攀砀挀氀甀搀攀 琀栀攀 ഊpossibility of someone being able to participate in something just because ਀愀⤀眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 栀攀 挀愀渀 漀爀 戀⤀ 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 爀甀氀攀猀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 愀搀愀瀀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 ഊneeded. We should have open minds and try to think of ways to include as ਀洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 愀渀礀漀渀攀 愀琀 愀 氀攀瘀攀氀 漀昀 甀渀愀挀挀攀瀀琀愀戀氀攀 ഊrisk. It is still likely that some people will not be able to participate in ਀猀漀洀攀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀猀 愀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最愀戀氀攀 猀瀀攀挀琀愀琀漀爀 ⠀愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 渀漀琀 ഊeven then), but at least we will have considered the options instead of ਀搀椀猀洀椀猀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 漀甀琀 漀昀 栀愀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀䈀爀愀渀最眀愀礀渀愀 䴀漀爀最愀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:38:47 +1000 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䜀眀礀渀礀搀搀 漀昀 䌀甀氀氀漀搀攀渀∀ 㰀最眀礀渀礀搀搀开漀昀开挀甀氀氀漀搀攀渀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀⸀愀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - special needs ਀ഊI am reminded of a close friend dancing with his blind girlfriend - it ਀眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀爀 搀愀渀挀攀猀 ⠀漀爀 猀漀 䤀 愀洀 琀漀氀搀 ⴀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 搀愀渀挀攀㬀 洀礀 琀眀漀 ഊleft feet are a major handicap!) and, in the bits where she had to go ਀戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀琀栀Ⰰ 栀攀 挀氀愀瀀瀀攀搀 栀椀猀 栀愀渀搀猀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 昀椀渀搀 栀椀洀 攀愀猀椀氀礀⸀  ഊIt seemed to work well and she enjoyed herself mightily! ਀ഊGwynydd ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　㄀ 　㈀㨀㌀㄀㨀㈀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "JRMapes" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 渀攀攀搀猀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀∀ 㰀猀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 琀攀砀愀猀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊ> Tristan commented: ਀㸀 㸀 一漀眀 椀昀 椀 挀漀甀氀搀 樀甀猀琀 昀椀渀搀 愀 眀愀礀 琀漀 漀瘀攀爀挀漀洀攀 琀栀攀 栀攀椀最栀琀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 挀漀洀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀ഊ> > stoves in many of the kitchens i work in when cooking and helping cook ਀㸀 㸀 昀攀愀猀琀猀 ⠀ 琀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀渀琀 戀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀⤀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 圀栀愀琀 搀漀 礀漀甀 搀漀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀㼀 䤀猀 椀琀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 栀攀椀最栀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀ഊ> problem? Or that you can't reach to pots on the back burners. ਀ഊI have no problems at home (non-commercial at home) the stove sets low ਀攀渀漀甀最栀 椀 挀愀渀 洀愀渀愀最攀 漀欀⸀ഊ ਀䈀甀琀 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 洀漀猀琀 挀漀洀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀 猀琀甀昀昀 椀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㌀ 椀渀挀栀攀猀 琀漀 㐀 椀渀挀栀攀猀 琀愀氀氀攀爀 琀栀愀渀ഊthe average home appliance since there needs to be more floor clearance. ਀ഊ> What about something like the high bar stools? Could something like ਀㸀 琀栀愀琀 戀攀 愀搀愀瀀琀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀㼀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 猀漀洀攀 栀愀瘀攀 眀栀攀攀氀猀 椀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 椀猀ഊ> needing some mobility. And at the ones I've seen without wheels ਀㸀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀愀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀眀椀瘀攀氀⸀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀渀礀 甀猀攀 漀昀 洀礀 氀攀最 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 眀栀攀攀氀猀 戀攀挀漀洀攀猀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 猀椀渀挀攀ഊi have to grab and pull myself around and there is no contro of keeping it ਀猀琀攀愀搀礀⸀ 吀愀氀氀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最猀 漀爀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 爀愀椀猀攀 漀渀 愀 㐀 瀀琀 漀爀 㔀瀀琀 挀愀猀琀攀爀 猀礀猀琀攀洀ഊscare me silly since i have absolutely no control whatsoever of where it ਀最漀攀猀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 椀 最爀愀戀 栀漀氀搀 漀昀  猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最⸀ 䄀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀眀椀瘀攀氀 猀攀愀琀猀 Ⰰ 椀 攀渀搀 甀瀀ഊfighting to keeo them in the corect direction or fighing them to stop when i ਀渀攀攀搀 琀栀攀 爀漀琀愀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 猀琀漀瀀⸀ 椀琀猀 挀漀洀椀挀愀氀 椀洀 猀甀爀攀 猀攀椀渀最 洀攀 椀渀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀ഊchairs. ਀䤀昀 洀礀 昀漀漀琀 椀猀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀 椀洀 昀爀攀攀 琀漀 洀漀瘀攀 漀瀀漀猀椀琀攀 漀昀 眀栀攀爀攀 椀洀 爀攀愀挀栀栀椀渀最ഊor exerting force and if my foot is on the ground if i lean forward the ਀瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 洀礀 昀漀漀琀 攀砀攀爀琀猀 漀渀琀栀攀 昀氀漀漀爀 瀀甀猀栀攀猀 洀攀 愀眀愀礀 氀漀氀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 礀漀甀爀 氀椀洀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀爀 猀欀椀氀氀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 洀愀礀 戀攀 眀愀礀 漀昀昀 戀愀猀攀ഊ> here, but this is what I can think of, right now. ਀ഊIf someone had limited usage of their feet but couldnt stand for any length ਀漀昀 琀椀洀攀 琀栀攀渀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀愀礀 眀漀爀欀 眀攀氀氀⸀ 䈀甀琀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 昀攀攀琀 漀爀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀ഊuse in both or one then its a fight vs forces to be where ya want to be when ਀礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 眀愀猀 椀渀 漀渀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀最 挀漀漀欀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀 猀栀漀爀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 挀愀甀猀攀ഊwhat they had done was install a modified "behind the bar" floor. Basically ਀愀 搀爀愀椀渀 琀栀爀甀 昀氀漀漀爀⸀ഊluckily it was ran from one bank of stoves over about 6 feet to the sinks ਀愀渀搀 挀漀甀渀琀攀爀猀⸀ഊIt stood about an extra 4 inches in height just below the kick boards on the ਀挀愀戀渀攀琀猀 猀漀 琀栀攀 搀漀漀爀猀 眀攀爀攀渀琀 椀渀琀攀爀昀攀爀攀搀 眀椀琀栀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀 猀氀椀最栀琀 瀀愀椀渀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 甀瀀ഊon it and going donw off it but once up there i had perfect access as at ਀栀漀洀攀 琀漀 猀琀漀瘀攀猀 猀椀渀欀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀渀琀攀爀 琀漀瀀猀⸀ഊI priced these overlay floors in a supply catalog i receive and they were no ਀挀栀攀愀瀀 戀礀 愀渀礀 洀攀愀渀猀 愀渀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 攀渀漀甀最栀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 椀 挀漀甀氀搀 洀愀渀甀瘀攀爀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 眀椀琀栀瀀漀甀琀ഊfear of dropping off an edge while turning around or backing up was up into ਀琀栀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀猀 漀昀 搀漀氀氀愀爀猀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 挀漀洀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀挀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀ഊfrom site to site. it would take a pull behind utility wagon on my car to do ਀椀琀 挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 氀椀欀攀 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最 ㄀㈀ⴀ㄀㔀 昀爀攀椀最栀琀 瀀愀氀氀攀琀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀⸀ 一漀琀 瘀攀爀礀ഊconvienient. but it would give me the room to bring all my extra cooking ਀最攀愀爀 椀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀 㨀ⴀ⤀ 倀氀甀猀 椀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀 椀昀 椀 栀愀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 椀ഊwouldnt ever have to worry about wet floors again in my gp small tent with ਀漀爀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 昀氀漀漀爀 琀愀爀瀀 氀漀氀 ⠀愀琀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀ഊin the kitchen facilities). ਀䈀甀琀 椀琀猀 愀 戀椀琀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀渀攀礀 琀漀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀洀攀渀琀⸀ 䤀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀 琀攀洀瀀ഊflooring could be built out of freight pallets but thenyou have the same ਀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 漀昀 栀愀甀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 愀渀搀 洀漀瘀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 愀爀漀甀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀吀爀椀猀琀愀渀ഊ ਀㸀 䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 猀漀洀攀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 漀昀 甀猀攀⼀椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀 琀漀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊ> cooks here who have trouble standing for long periods. ਀㸀 ⴀⴀഊ> THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra ਀㸀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀             䄀甀猀琀椀渀Ⰰ 吀攀砀愀猀         猀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 琀攀砀愀猀⸀渀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Jeff Gedney" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: RE: [Sca-cooks] OT, OOP: Looking for a power source ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㈀ ㄀㄀㨀㈀㈀㨀㐀㐀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ ਀㸀    倀栀椀氀氀椀瀀 ⠀洀礀 匀⸀伀⸀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 眀栀漀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀⤀ 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀ഊ> using a CPAP machine to help him sleep for the past 9 months ਀㸀    漀爀 猀漀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 椀琀 栀愀猀 瀀爀漀瘀攀搀 嘀䔀刀夀 戀攀渀攀昀椀挀椀愀氀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 昀漀爀 栀椀洀ഊ> but for me (he doesn't snore anymore!!!). He would like to be ਀㸀    愀戀氀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 椀琀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀攀攀搀猀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀ഊ> battery pack to plug it in to as we don't have electricity in ਀㸀    漀甀爀 挀愀洀瀀⸀  䄀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀㼀  䤀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 ㄀㄀　嘀 愀渀搀 爀甀渀ഊ> for 8 - 10 hours before needing a recharge. It would also be ਀㸀    栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀 椀昀 椀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 爀攀挀栀愀爀最攀 昀甀氀氀礀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀愀礀⸀⸀⸀眀攀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊ> ask the folks at Chirurgeon's Point to charge it for us. ਀㸀ഊ> If you have any ideas/thoughts, please let me know. ਀ഊThis problem is not that uncommon. ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最 洀礀猀攀氀昀⸀ഊThe main thing you will have to consider is the pressure used... ਀䌀倀䄀匀 洀愀挀栀椀渀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 瘀攀爀礀 氀漀眀 瀀愀爀琀椀愀氀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀猀 氀椀欀攀 㔀 洀洀 栀㈀　 挀愀渀 最漀 琀眀漀 渀椀最栀琀猀ഊon one of those jumpstart battery packs with a built in 115 v plug... ਀䴀礀 眀椀昀攀 栀愀猀 愀 䌀倀䄀倀 琀栀愀琀 甀猀攀猀 猀甀挀栀 愀 氀漀眀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀⸀ 吀栀愀琀 椀猀 栀漀眀 䤀 欀渀漀眀⸀ഊI have a very high pressure (19 mm) and that same pack lasts me no more than ਀㐀ⴀ㔀 栀漀甀爀猀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 昀爀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䄀 氀漀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀椀猀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 甀猀攀 愀 挀愀爀 戀愀琀琀攀爀礀 愀渀搀 愀ഊpower inverter ( you can get an inverter for about 30 dollars from ਀䠀愀爀戀漀爀昀爀攀椀最栀琀⸀挀漀洀 ⤀ 琀漀 琀甀爀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㈀ 瘀漀氀琀 䐀䌀 瀀漀眀攀爀 琀漀 愀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 琀礀瀀攀 ㄀㄀㔀瘀 䄀䌀ഊplug. The Chirurgeons point does have a power supply to charge it up (I don't know about battery chargers but I think they have one... Send a message to the ਀䌀栀椀爀甀爀最攀漀渀 椀渀 挀栀愀爀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀爀⤀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊproblem. But you need to be considerate, as there will be a number of people doing the same thing, and demands for that resource are high. ਀ഊI plan on making a battery pack using three gel-type or agm type (no-spill) ਀洀愀爀椀渀攀 戀愀琀琀攀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀 椀渀瘀攀爀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 瀀氀甀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 洀愀爀椀渀攀ⴀ琀礀瀀攀 琀栀爀攀攀ⴀ氀攀瘀攀氀ഊcharger with charge indicator, all built into a sturdy wooden chest with ਀栀愀渀搀氀攀猀⸀ 䤀琀 眀椀氀氀 挀漀猀琀 洀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 洀漀渀攀礀 愀戀漀甀琀 㔀　　ⴀ㘀　　 搀漀氀氀愀爀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 氀愀猀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀栀 漀昀 甀猀 愀氀氀 圀愀爀⸀ 䤀昀 䤀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀氀礀 洀愀椀渀琀愀椀渀攀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 眀漀爀欀 昀漀爀 洀愀渀礀 挀愀洀瀀漀甀琀猀 琀漀 挀漀洀攀⸀ 䤀 瘀椀攀眀 椀琀 愀猀 愀渀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀洀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀䈀爀愀渀搀甀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Elaine Ragland ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Mobility Assist at Pennsic ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㌀ ㄀㌀㨀㄀㄀㨀㄀㤀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: Columbia University ਀ഊOn Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James Koch wrote: ਀㸀 䤀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 漀昀昀 琀漀瀀椀挀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀欀攀猀 洀攀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 栀漀眀ഊ> people with disabilities got around in the middle ages. I believe I ਀㸀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 愀 眀漀漀搀挀甀琀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 漀昀 愀 洀愀渀 椀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀戀愀爀爀漀眀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ> seen plenty of depictions of people on crutches, but that's about it. ਀㸀 䤀渀 刀漀洀愀渀 琀椀洀攀猀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 琀栀攀 眀攀氀氀 琀漀 搀漀 椀渀瘀愀氀椀搀猀 栀愀搀 氀椀琀琀攀爀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䨀椀洀 䬀漀挀栀 ⠀䜀氀愀搀椀甀猀 吀栀攀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀⤀ഊ ਀䐀漀最 挀愀爀琀 漀爀 最漀愀琀 挀愀爀琀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 洀椀渀搀⸀  吀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 ∀倀漀爀最礀 愀渀搀 䈀攀猀猀∀⸀  倀氀甀猀Ⰰഊthere's nothing to say that they had to "get around." A skilled craftsman ਀挀漀甀氀搀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 氀椀瘀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀昀 栀椀猀 猀栀漀瀀 愀渀搀 猀攀渀搀 栀椀猀 猀攀爀瘀愀渀琀 漀爀ഊapprentice on errands. ਀ഊThe extreme poor were, of course, dependent on charity. I think there's ਀愀渀 愀爀挀栀愀攀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 搀椀最 椀渀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀攀洀攀琀愀爀礀 漀昀 愀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ഊcharity hospital. They've found several skeletons of people who hobbled ਀愀爀漀甀渀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 欀渀攀攀猀 ⠀瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 瘀椀挀琀椀洀猀 漀昀 瀀漀氀椀漀⤀⸀  䈀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀ഊto go far--they were pretty much fixtures at the hospital. ਀ഊElaine Ragland ਀愀欀愀 䰀愀搀礀 䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀 搀攀 氀愀 吀漀甀爀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: clevin at ripco.com (Craig Levin) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Mobility Assist at Pennsic ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㌀ ㄀㜀㨀㔀㤀㨀㐀㄀ ⬀　　　　 ⠀唀吀䌀⤀ഊ ਀䨀愀洀攀猀 䬀漀挀栀 㰀愀氀挀栀攀洀 愀琀 攀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>I realize this is slightly off topic, but this makes me wonder how ਀㸀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 搀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀 最漀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀猀⸀  䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 䤀ഊ>have seen a woodcut somewhere of a man in a wheelbarrow, and I have ਀㸀猀攀攀渀 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 搀攀瀀椀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 漀渀 挀爀甀琀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀⸀ ഊ>In Roman times of course the well to do invalids had litters. ਀ഊBrueghel's Battle Between Lent and Carnival shows various ਀搀椀猀愀戀氀攀搀 最甀礀猀ⴀ漀渀攀 漀渀 挀爀甀琀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 搀爀愀最最椀渀最 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀ഊground by means of things that look like tiny sawhorses that he's ਀最爀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 椀渀 栀椀猀 栀愀渀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀攀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 眀栀漀✀猀 猀琀甀挀欀 漀渀 愀 猀栀攀攀琀⸀ഊIt's at: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀欀昀欀椀⸀栀甀⼀縀愀爀琀栀瀀⼀栀琀洀氀⼀戀⼀戀爀甀攀最攀氀⼀瀀椀攀琀攀爀开礀⼀挀愀爀渀椀瘀愀氀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀倀攀搀爀漀ഊ-- ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀瀀愀最攀猀⸀爀椀瀀挀漀⸀渀攀琀⼀縀挀氀攀瘀椀渀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀 ഊclevin at ripco.com ਀䌀爀愀椀最 䰀攀瘀椀渀ऀऀऀऀ䰀椀戀爀愀爀椀愀渀猀 刀甀氀攀㨀 伀漀漀欀℀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: alchem at en.com (James Koch) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Mobility Assist at Pennsic ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㠀 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㌀ ㈀㄀㨀㈀㌀㨀㄀㐀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊ ਀㸀 䈀爀甀攀最栀攀氀✀猀 䈀愀琀琀氀攀 䈀攀琀眀攀攀渀 䰀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 䌀愀爀渀椀瘀愀氀 猀栀漀眀猀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀ഊ> disabled guys-one on crutches, one dragging himself along the ਀㸀 最爀漀甀渀搀 戀礀 洀攀愀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀 氀椀欀攀 琀椀渀礀 猀愀眀栀漀爀猀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀✀猀ഊ> gripping in his hands, and yet another who's stuck on a sheet. ਀㸀 䤀琀✀猀 愀琀㨀ഊ> http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/b/bruegel/pieter_y/carnival.html ਀㸀 ഊ> Pedro ਀ഊPedro, ਀ഊMany thanks! You actually missed describing the most important detail ਀漀昀 愀氀氀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 愀最愀椀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 挀氀攀愀爀氀礀 猀攀攀 愀 爀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 最漀氀昀 挀愀爀琀ഊ"http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/b/bruegel/pieter_y/carnival.html". So ਀礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀搀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 渀攀愀爀ഊthe well surrounded by fish mongers. Just up and to the right is an ਀攀洀愀挀椀愀琀攀搀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀甀氀氀攀搀 愀氀漀渀最 椀渀 愀 昀漀甀爀 眀栀攀攀氀攀搀 眀漀漀搀攀渀 戀漀砀⸀ഊ ਀䨀椀洀 䬀漀挀栀 ⠀䜀氀愀搀椀甀猀 吀栀攀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Chass Brown ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䨀甀氀礀 ㄀㔀Ⰰ ㈀　　㔀 ㄀㄀㨀㌀㈀㨀㄀㄀ 䄀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 刀攀㨀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 䐀椀最攀猀琀Ⰰ 嘀漀氀 ㈀㘀Ⰰ 䤀猀猀甀攀 㔀　ഊ ਀      匀椀渀挀攀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀氀愀挀攀搀 椀渀 愀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 䤀 愀洀 瘀攀爀礀 瘀漀挀愀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 ഊissue. To point out, I was very vocal with the Event stewards about ਀䜀甀氀昀眀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 栀漀眀 戀愀搀 琀栀愀琀 猀椀琀攀 椀猀 昀漀爀 栀愀渀搀椀挀愀瀀瀀攀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀ 䤀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 ഊbe able to bring my little golfcart, because it recharges alot faster ਀琀栀愀渀 洀礀 瀀漀眀攀爀挀栀愀椀爀 愀渀搀 眀漀渀琀 最攀琀 猀琀甀挀欀 氀椀欀攀 洀礀 瀀漀眀攀爀挀栀愀椀爀⸀ 吀栀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀 ഊfrom them was no, only powercairs, scooters or manual chairs, if I ਀搀椀搀渀琀 氀椀欀攀 椀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 猀琀愀礀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀⸀ 䤀琀 眀攀渀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 䈀伀䐀 琀栀攀礀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 ഊsince their attnys backed up what I said they would blame owners of the ਀瀀爀漀瀀攀爀琀礀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 愀搀洀椀琀琀攀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 䜀爀漀甀瀀猀 䐀攀挀爀攀攀 渀漀琀 ഊthe owners. So I mark Meridies and Gulf off my list. Since the site ਀爀攀渀琀猀 琀漀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 椀琀 愀氀氀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 昀攀搀攀爀愀氀 最甀椀搀攀氀椀渀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 猀椀琀攀 栀愀猀 ഊto meet min requirements. Example designated paths that are raised and ਀渀漀渀 猀氀椀瀀⸀ 䤀 爀攀昀甀猀攀 琀漀 搀漀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 䤀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀甀琀 猀漀洀攀 搀愀礀 ഊsomeone will sue them and win. ਀ഊ Any autocrat wants to know if a site is handicapped accessable. Get ਀愀 攀氀挀栀攀愀瀀漀 眀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀⸀ 匀椀琀 椀渀 椀琀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 愀猀 愀 栀攀愀氀琀栀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 挀愀渀 渀漀琀 ഊwheel yourself around the site and into all the bldgs and etc, then ਀眀栀愀琀 洀愀欀攀猀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 椀猀 搀椀猀愀戀攀氀攀搀 挀愀渀㼀 刀愀洀瀀猀 愀爀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 ഊidea, but make sure they can handle the weight and are wide enough. ਀䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 甀爀欀猀 洀攀⸀ 䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 眀椀猀栀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 搀攀瀀攀渀搀 甀瀀漀渀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 ഊfor assistance. I want to be as independent as I can, telling me I have ਀琀漀 愀猀欀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀漀 瀀甀猀栀 洀攀 漀爀 眀愀椀琀 漀渀 愀 ∀吀愀砀椀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀∀ 琀漀 最攀琀 洀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 洀礀 ഊpowerchair can not. Also most need to know Scooters and powerchairs get ਀猀琀甀挀欀 匀伀伀伀伀伀伀 攀愀猀礀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 氀漀漀猀攀 琀爀愀挀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 愀氀猀漀 琀栀攀 戀愀琀琀攀爀椀攀猀 ഊgo dead quite quickly. It takes over 8 hours to charge the batteries in ਀洀礀 瀀漀眀攀爀挀栀愀椀爀⸀ 圀栀攀爀攀 愀猀 䤀 挀愀渀 挀栀愀爀最攀 愀 最漀氀昀 挀愀爀琀猀 戀愀琀琀攀爀椀攀猀 椀渀 ㈀ 栀漀甀爀猀 ഊand have a backup set of batteries since they use Car Batteries. ਀ഊ I have been... Blackballed over my fight for my rights at gulf ਀眀愀爀猀⸀ 䤀 挀愀爀攀 渀漀琀 椀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀琀攀 洀攀 愀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 䤀 挀愀渀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 愀 琀愀搀 ഊbetter for someone else. ਀ഊIn Service of what the dream is for those in wheelchairs; ਀䌀栀愀猀猀 愀欀愀 䌀栀愀爀椀渀琀栀愀氀椀猀 䐀攀氀 匀愀渀猀ഊMuddeler of Mead ਀ഊ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert and Tara Brinsfield" ਀㰀琀爀戀爀椀渀猀 愀琀 昀甀氀氀渀攀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ਀匀攀渀琀㨀 䘀爀椀搀愀礀Ⰰ 䨀甀氀礀 ㄀㔀Ⰰ ㈀　　㔀 ㄀　㨀㈀㤀 䄀䴀ഊSubject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 50 ਀ഊ> Dearest Baron Bors, ਀㸀ഊ> Thank you so much for reminding our Kingdom populace of what can be done to ਀㸀 愀挀挀漀洀漀搀愀琀攀 䄀䰀䰀 瀀愀琀椀挀椀瀀愀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 愀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 愀 洀漀猀琀 瘀愀氀椀搀ഊ> point. ਀ഊ> As for the ADA legalities. You are so right about all of that. We should ਀㸀 琀愀欀攀 䄀䰀䰀 漀昀 漀甀爀 最氀漀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀栀椀瀀 椀渀琀漀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀䠀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> most of those that are disabled are forgotten about due to no one speaking ਀㸀 甀瀀⸀ 䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀 䤀 眀攀渀琀 琀漀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 最攀渀琀氀攀洀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 戀礀ഊ> means of a motorized scooter. His cabin reservations left him way down at ਀㸀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 漀昀 愀 猀琀攀攀瀀 栀椀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 椀洀瀀愀猀猀椀戀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 栀椀猀 洀漀琀漀爀椀稀攀搀ഊ> scooter. He was in the cabin next to us. He was extremely courteous and very ਀㸀 欀椀渀搀 椀渀 愀氀氀 漀昀 栀椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀愀挀琀椀漀渀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 漀昀 甀猀 昀爀漀洀 漀甀爀 挀愀戀椀渀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀ഊ> shame that better accomodations was not made for him and those that were ਀㸀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀椀琀栀 栀椀洀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 愀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 挀漀甀爀琀攀猀礀⸀ 䤀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀ഊ> concern legality, if we just show one of the three basic traits that I feel ਀㸀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀椀昀礀⸀ 䄀猀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 䄀䰀䰀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀椀昀礀ഊ> Chivalry, Courtesy, and Honor. If we aren't doing that to our full ਀㸀 挀愀瀀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 琀栀攀渀 眀攀 搀攀氀椀渀攀愀琀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 搀爀攀愀洀 琀栀愀琀 漀甀爀 最愀洀攀 椀猀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀昀昀 漀昀⸀ഊ> Courtesy is so important. Not just in the SCA, but in mundane life as well. ਀㸀 䌀漀甀爀琀攀猀礀 椀猀 琀栀攀 欀攀礀 琀漀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀愀氀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 漀渀ഊ> this board of late. A little common courtesy can relieve a multitude of ਀㸀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀愀琀椀挀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 眀攀 愀氀氀 挀漀甀氀搀 搀漀 眀攀氀氀 眀椀琀栀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀椀渀最 ഊ> that, myself included, ocassionally. ਀㸀ഊ> Anyway, that is just my opinion. I figured that since everyone else was ਀㸀 猀栀愀爀椀渀最 漀渀攀Ⰰ 䤀 洀椀最栀琀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 琀漀猀猀 洀礀 琀眀漀 挀攀渀琀猀 椀渀 琀漀漀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䰀愀搀礀 䴀愀爀最攀甀爀椀琀攀 氀攀 䌀栀愀渀瘀爀椀攀爀爀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: MCothren ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀攀戀爀甀愀爀礀 ㈀㠀Ⰰ ㈀　　㘀 㔀㨀㌀㠀㨀㐀㘀 䄀䴀 䌀匀吀ഊTo: undisclosed-recipients: ; ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 匀䌀䄀㨀䴀唀䰀吀䤀䬀䤀一䜀䐀伀䴀㨀 匀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 氀椀猀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 椀氀氀渀攀猀猀攀猀⼀瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀 挀栀愀氀氀攀渀最攀猀 ⼀ 瀀愀椀渀⸀⸀⸀倀氀攀愀猀攀 瀀愀猀猀 愀氀漀渀最 嬀洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 攀瘀攀爀礀 匀䌀䄀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀崀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 匀栀愀爀攀 吀栀椀猀 䤀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 吀栀漀猀攀 椀渀 夀漀甀爀 䄀爀攀愀⸀ 吀栀愀渀欀 夀漀甀℀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 嬀最甀椀氀搀崀 琀栀椀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 爀攀昀攀爀猀 琀漀 椀猀 愀 瀀攀攀爀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 最爀漀甀瀀 昀漀爀 匀䌀䄀ഊfolk worldwide who live with Chronic Physical Illness and Chronic Pain ਀匀礀渀搀爀漀洀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 氀漀瘀攀⼀ 挀愀爀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀⸀ 嬀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 愀渀搀ഊfamily] ਀ഊThere are scores of list members with conditions from A to Z [ illnesses ਀氀椀欀攀 䄀甀琀漀 椀洀洀甀渀攀 ⼀ 䌀漀渀渀攀挀琀椀瘀攀 琀椀猀猀甀攀 搀椀猀漀爀搀攀爀猀⼀ 䘀椀戀爀漀洀礀愀氀最椀愀⼀ 䌀爀漀栀渀✀猀ഊdisease /Rheumatic disorders/ Arthritis [all types]/ Collagen Vascular ਀搀椀猀漀爀搀攀爀猀⼀ 刀匀䐀⼀ 䴀匀⼀ 䌀愀爀瀀愀氀 琀甀渀渀攀氀⼀ 洀椀渀椀洀愀氀 戀爀愀椀渀 椀渀樀甀爀椀攀猀⼀ഊdiabetes/Heart diseases / breathing disorders/blood disorders/ physical ਀椀渀昀椀爀洀椀琀椀攀猀⼀ 攀瀀椀氀攀瀀猀礀 ⼀  愀渀搀 愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 渀漀琀 氀椀猀琀攀搀 栀攀爀攀 崀 䄀最愀椀渀Ⰰ 愀氀氀ഊchronic, intractable physical illnesses / limitations and Chronic Pain ਀匀礀渀搀爀漀洀攀猀 愀爀攀 眀攀氀挀漀洀攀 愀渀搀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 氀椀猀琀  椀猀 愀 瀀氀愀挀攀 琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀 琀椀瀀猀 愀渀搀 琀爀椀挀欀猀 昀漀爀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀ഊday. It's also a place to get support [ hard to come by in the everyday ਀眀漀爀氀搀 愀渀搀Ⰰ 猀愀搀氀礀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 椀渀 漀甀爀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 ∀猀漀挀椀攀琀椀攀猀∀ 琀漀漀⸀崀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 愀ഊplace to learn more about these various conditions from others who live ਀眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀洀 愀渀搀 昀爀漀洀 氀椀渀欀猀 琀漀 渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀猀攀 搀椀猀漀爀搀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀椀氀攀 琀栀椀猀 最爀漀甀瀀 椀猀 栀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀漀爀搀攀爀猀Ⰰ  爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 椀琀 椀猀ഊalso here for the loved ones, friends and family of people with these ਀搀椀猀漀爀搀攀爀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ 䤀渀 洀礀 栀甀洀戀氀攀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 甀猀 猀甀昀昀攀爀ഊless anxiety and frustration with more information... and I wish it to ਀戀攀 愀 瀀氀愀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 愀氀氀漀眀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 戀甀爀搀攀渀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰഊhopefully helping to reduce "caregiver burnout" , and thereby aiding ਀琀栀攀洀 琀漀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀 愀椀搀椀渀最 甀猀 搀漀眀渀 漀甀爀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 爀漀挀欀礀 瀀愀琀栀猀 琀漀 愀 ∀栀愀瀀瀀椀氀礀ഊever after". ਀ഊGroup Page Address: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀栀攀愀氀琀栀⸀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀⼀最爀漀甀瀀⼀䄀䤀开猀⼀㼀礀最甀椀搀㴀㘀　㜀㌀㘀㘀㌀㘀ഊ ਀ 䜀爀漀甀瀀 䔀洀愀椀氀 䄀搀搀爀攀猀猀攀猀ഊPost message:AI_s at yahoogroups.com ਀匀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀㨀 䄀䤀开猀ⴀ猀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀ഊUnsubscribe: AI_s-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ਀䰀椀猀琀 漀眀渀攀爀㨀 䄀䤀开猀ⴀ漀眀渀攀爀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀⨀⨀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀 ∀猀椀猀琀攀爀∀ 最爀漀甀瀀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 渀漀琀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 嬀椀渀ഊcase of "mixed" marriages or family who is not conversant in "knowne ਀眀漀爀氀搀 猀瀀攀愀欀∀崀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀猀琀 椀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀攀搀ഊthrough < owner-AIS at yahoogroups.com > ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　㘀 　㠀㨀㄀㌀㨀㄀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Johnna Holloway ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀渀ⴀ氀椀渀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 倀椀琀礀 倀愀爀琀礀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ> I have to wonder though, if camping as we do it will change significantly ਀㸀 愀猀 漀甀爀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀琀椀漀渀 愀最攀猀⸀ 䤀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 愀 昀攀眀 昀漀氀欀 眀栀漀 眀椀氀氀 最攀琀 愀  ഊ> motel room near site and day-trip from there. ਀㸀ഊ> 'Lainie, who really ought to be packing for Egils... ਀ഊAll it takes is an injury at a relatively young age and ਀洀漀琀攀氀椀渀最 椀琀 戀攀挀漀洀攀猀 愀 渀攀挀攀猀猀椀琀礀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 愀 氀甀砀甀爀礀⸀ഊI can't imagine how many painkillers it would take ਀㈀㐀⼀㜀 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 昀漀爀 洀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 挀愀洀瀀 愀最愀椀渀⸀ 䄀猀 椀琀 椀猀ⰀഊI am the one who needs the handicapped parking spot at the ਀漀甀琀搀漀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀ 䔀瘀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀攀渀搀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 猀琀爀甀最最氀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 洀漀猀琀ഊautocrats never think about handicapped parking at an ਀漀甀琀搀漀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀ 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 椀猀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 昀甀氀氀 挀爀攀眀 搀攀瘀漀琀攀搀ഊto handling such things. ਀ഊJohnnae ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㜀 ㄀㈀㨀㈀　㨀㈀㠀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: chawkswrth at aol.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䨀甀氀攀猀⼀䌀愀琀愀氀椀渀愀✀猀 䈀漀漀欀Ⰰ 最漀漀搀 戀礀攀ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org ਀ഊ> What was the URL for that SCA Autism e-list again? ਀ഊHere you go; ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀⼀最爀漀甀瀀⼀䔀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀匀挀愀搀椀愀渀猀⼀ഊ ਀䤀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 昀漀爀 䄀甀琀椀猀洀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 愀 氀椀猀琀 昀漀爀 昀漀氀欀猀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀  ഊspecial needs, who live with us in these Middle ages. ਀圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 眀栀漀 愀爀攀 猀瀀攀攀挀栀 椀洀瀀愀椀爀攀搀Ⰰ 瘀椀猀甀愀氀氀礀 椀洀瀀愀椀爀攀搀Ⰰ 栀攀愀爀椀渀最  ഊimpaired, as well as with mobility problems. ਀ഊAutism is a diagnosis that has exploded in recent years. In many ਀挀愀猀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 椀渀琀攀氀氀椀最攀渀琀 栀甀洀愀渀 戀攀椀渀最猀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀  ഊfunctioning in and coping with the outside world the way normal ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀漀甀氀搀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀渀猀漀爀礀 漀瘀攀爀氀漀愀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀瀀椀渀最  ഊwith the normal give and take of human life. The level of functioning ਀挀愀渀 最漀 昀爀漀洀 氀椀琀攀爀愀氀氀礀 戀攀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 栀攀愀搀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀Ⰰ 琀漀 琀栀攀  ഊhighest level of functioning, known as Aspberger's, where they are ਀焀甀椀琀攀 挀愀瀀愀戀氀攀 漀昀 栀漀氀搀椀渀最 最漀漀搀 樀漀戀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 栀椀最栀氀礀  ഊstructured. One I know is my age (50s), and a Librarian. She was ਀漀渀氀礀 搀椀愀最渀漀猀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 㔀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀愀椀渀 愀渀搀 愀渀最甀椀猀栀 猀栀攀 眀攀渀琀  ഊthrough.... Many times, they are thought to be several bricks short ਀漀昀 愀 氀漀愀搀Ⰰ 攀砀琀爀愀漀爀搀椀渀愀爀氀礀 猀攀氀昀ⴀ挀攀渀琀攀爀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀  ഊmedication regimen that will help. It is helping her. SHe did think ਀漀昀 氀攀愀瘀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀攀挀甀愀猀攀 漀昀 䌀攀爀琀愀椀渀 倀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀⸀ 䤀琀 眀漀甀氀搀  ഊhave been a shame, for she does AMAZING Byzantine needlework, with ਀搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀氀攀渀ഊSoapbox? What soapbox? ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀甀最 䈀愀椀渀琀攀爀 㰀瀀甀最 愀琀 瀀甀最⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊDate: March 25, 2007 8:41:24 AM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] SCA, the ADA, and all of us ਀ഊI'm gonna try to keep my dander under control again this time. ਀ഊHere is a post I made on this two years ago about this topic, which some try ਀琀漀 最攀琀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 琀栀攀洀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 甀渀搀攀爀 愀 氀愀眀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 氀愀礀洀攀渀 搀漀渀✀琀ഊunderstand. This is followed by the corporate policy from the governing ਀搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀猀 漀渀 愀挀挀攀猀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀漀猀攀 昀爀漀洀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 眀攀爀攀 甀渀爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀ഊrequests for GulfWar 2 years ago. ਀ഊThis policy explicitly sites "while preserving the fundamental nature of the ਀匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀∀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀攀爀攀 琀漀 搀攀渀礀 礀漀甀 愀 最攀渀攀爀愀琀漀爀 眀栀椀氀攀 愀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀猀Ⰰഊthat would be against the ADA, but keeping an isolated environment from the ਀漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 眀漀爀氀搀 琀漀 椀洀洀攀爀猀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ∀洀漀漀搀∀ 椀猀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀⸀ 吀栀椀猀ഊis just like allowing people the use of scooters at GulfWar without allowing ਀琀栀攀洀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 最漀氀昀 挀愀爀琀 愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 椀渀 洀椀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀琀 猀椀琀攀猀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 椀琀攀洀ഊfrom the FAQ: ਀ഊThe ADA is all about reasonable access and not *total* access. For example: ਀ഊ- not all parts of a restaurant have to be accessible ਀ഊ- not all bathrooms/stalls have to be accessible ਀ഊ- not all floors of a building have to be accessible ਀ഊAs well, the section that covers what we are talking about falls under the ਀䄀䐀䄀 䘀䄀儀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 愀琀㨀ഊ ਀圀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 愀挀挀漀洀洀漀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀㼀ഊ ਀䄀⸀ 䄀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 愀挀挀漀洀洀漀搀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 愀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 攀渀琀椀琀礀 琀栀愀琀 漀眀渀猀Ⰰ 漀瀀攀爀愀琀攀猀Ⰰഊ leases, or leases to, a place of public accommodation. Places of public ਀   愀挀挀漀洀洀漀搀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 愀 眀椀搀攀 爀愀渀最攀 漀昀 攀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 爀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀猀Ⰰഊ hotels, theaters, doctors' offices, pharmacies, retail stores, museums, ਀   氀椀戀爀愀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀欀猀Ⰰ 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 猀挀栀漀漀氀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀愀礀 挀愀爀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀猀⸀ 倀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 挀氀甀戀猀ഊ and religious organizations are exempt from the ADA's title III ਀   爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀 昀漀爀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 愀挀挀漀洀洀漀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 渀漀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 愀爀攀愀猀 眀攀 爀攀渀琀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀ഊorganizations, are explicitly exempt. There are restrictions on *new* ਀挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 琀漀 琀爀礀 琀漀 攀渀猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀椀愀渀琀 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 爀攀琀爀漀昀椀琀 漀氀搀 猀椀琀攀猀ഊunless required by law. Some businesses and churches will try to make ਀爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 愀挀挀漀洀洀漀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 䄀䐀䄀 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀漀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀 搀椀瘀攀爀猀攀 攀瘀攀渀ഊwhen they are not required to. ਀ഊAs for events such as Gulf War and Pennsic, there are services provided by ਀琀栀攀 猀琀愀昀昀 琀漀 愀挀挀漀洀洀漀搀愀琀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 渀攀攀搀 愀猀猀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 洀漀戀椀氀椀琀礀ഊservices. The ADA is *not* about making sure that a person can do everything ਀琀栀攀洀猀攀氀昀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀猀 椀渀 瀀氀愀挀攀 ⨀椀昀⨀ 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䄀䐀䄀⸀ 䤀琀ഊis also *not* about giving them the easiest choice but a reasonable choice. ਀ഊXIII. POLICY ON ACCESSIBILITY TO SOCIETY FUNCTIONS ਀ഊThe SCA, Inc. will not discriminate against any member or participant on the ਀戀愀猀椀猀 漀昀 爀愀挀攀Ⰰ 猀攀砀Ⰰ 爀攀氀椀最椀漀渀Ⰰഊ ਀渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 漀爀椀最椀渀Ⰰ 愀最攀 漀爀 搀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀ 眀椀氀氀 挀漀洀瀀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 氀愀眀猀ഊof the nation in which the meeting or ਀ഊevent is held. For any meeting or event held in the United States, the SCA, ਀䤀渀挀⸀ 眀椀氀氀 挀漀洀瀀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊ ਀䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀猀 眀椀琀栀 䐀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀 䄀挀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀ 眀椀氀氀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀ഊaccommodations to qualified ਀ഊindividuals with disabilities to enable all participants to fully enjoy the ਀攀瘀攀渀琀猀 眀栀攀渀攀瘀攀爀 椀琀 椀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀ 眀椀氀氀 愀琀 愀氀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀ഊaccommodations, while preserving the fundamental nature of the SCA event. ਀ഊPug ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀甀最 䈀愀椀渀琀攀爀 㰀瀀甀最 愀琀 瀀甀最⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊDate: March 25, 2007 8:54:20 AM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] SCA, the ADA, and all of us ਀ഊSorry. This got sent a tad early. The section of the FAQ is: ਀ഊQ. Are there any limitations on the ADA's auxiliary aids requirements? ਀ഊA. Yes. The ADA does not require the provision of any auxiliary aid that ਀眀漀甀氀搀 爀攀猀甀氀琀 椀渀 愀渀 甀渀搀甀攀 戀甀爀搀攀渀 漀爀 椀渀 愀 昀甀渀搀愀洀攀渀琀愀氀 愀氀琀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀愀琀甀爀攀ഊof the goods or services provided by a public accommodation. ਀ഊThis means increased financial burden is a very reasonable exclusion to a ਀猀椀琀攀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀攀砀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀ 䄀 猀洀愀氀氀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 猀攀攀洀 氀椀欀攀 洀甀挀栀 琀漀ഊmany people, but we have enough problems getting people to pay the increased ਀猀椀琀攀 挀漀猀琀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀氀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 猀椀琀攀 挀漀猀琀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀 搀漀氀氀愀爀猀ഊa site costs could increase the fee people pay by $1 and lower attendance to ਀琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 洀愀欀攀 洀漀渀攀礀⸀ഊ ਀倀甀最ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Lisa ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀愀爀挀栀 ㈀㔀Ⰰ ㈀　　㜀 㤀㨀㔀㘀㨀㈀　 倀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 氀椀渀欀 琀漀 䄀䐀䄀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀 昀漀爀 倀愀爀欀猀 愀渀搀 刀攀挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 愀爀攀愀猀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 漀昀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀 昀漀爀 挀愀洀瀀最爀漀甀渀搀猀 愀氀猀漀⸀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀挀挀攀猀猀ⴀ戀漀愀爀搀⸀最漀瘀⼀愀搀愀愀最⼀挀栀攀挀欀氀椀猀琀⼀愀㄀㘀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 氀椀渀欀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀猀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 搀漀攀猀 挀漀瘀攀爀 愀渀礀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀ഊbuildings at all sites, including parks and recreation. ਀ഊhttp://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/adastd94.pdf ਀ഊThis second link covers everything regarding ADA accessibility. There is a ਀猀攀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 䤀 戀攀氀攀椀瘀攀 椀渀 吀椀琀氀攀 ㈀ 琀栀愀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀猀 瀀愀爀欀猀 愀渀搀 刀攀挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䤀昀 䤀 昀椀渀搀 愀ഊspecific link, I'll forward it to you. ਀ഊElizabeta of Rundel ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㤀 　㜀㨀㌀㠀㨀㈀　 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: "Anne-Marie Rousseau" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䠀漀眀 眀愀猀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀㼀ഊTo: "'Cooks within the SCA'" ਀ഊOn the runabouts... ਀ഊOne of my campmates got run over by one. No, really. Sounds funnier than it is....it put him out of commission for a bit. ਀ഊIf you use a motorized scooter, PLEASE be careful with it....same as a car. ਀ഊ--Anne-Marie ਀ഊ-----Original Message----- ਀伀渀 䈀攀栀愀氀昀 伀昀 匀甀猀愀渀 䰀椀渀ഊ ਀䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 愀 氀漀琀 洀漀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 ∀爀甀渀愀戀漀甀琀猀∀ 琀栀椀猀 礀攀愀爀 琀栀愀渀 椀渀 瀀愀猀琀ഊand there are places to recharge batteries (right new Outland Royal/Your ਀䤀渀渀攀爀 嘀愀最愀戀漀渀⤀⸀  倀攀漀瀀氀攀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 焀甀椀琀攀 渀椀挀攀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀漀猀攀 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀ഊI didn't see any of them try to go through one of the mud pits. As long as ਀礀漀甀 猀琀愀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 洀愀椀渀 爀漀愀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 眀漀爀欀 愀渀搀 猀栀攀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 戀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 洀攀爀挀礀ഊof the buses or disability services. ਀ഊ-S ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㐀㨀　㤀㨀㈀　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Chass Brown" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 䄀渀椀洀愀氀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊHelena that is not true any establishment or place of public accomidation ਀⠀礀攀猀 琀栀攀 猀挀愀 椀猀 愀 瀀氀愀挀攀 漀昀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 愀挀挀漀洀椀搀愀琀椀漀渀⤀ 愀爀攀 攀渀琀椀琀氀攀搀 琀漀 愀猀欀 ㌀ ഊquestions: ਀ഊ1) Are you disabled (note not able to ask the reason your disabled)? ਀㈀⤀ 䤀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 䄀渀椀洀愀氀㼀ഊ3) What tasks does he perform to mitigate your disability? (also note doesnt ਀最椀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 爀椀最栀琀 琀漀 搀攀挀椀搀攀 椀昀 琀愀猀欀 椀猀 最漀漀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 猀愀洀瀀氀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀猀 最甀椀搀攀 ഊanimal, seizure alert animal, mobility assist, hearing alert animal, but if ਀礀漀甀 栀攀愀爀 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀 栀攀 栀攀氀瀀猀 洀攀 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 搀攀瀀爀攀猀猀椀漀渀 漀爀 栀攀 挀愀氀洀猀 洀攀 搀漀眀渀 ഊthose are emotional support animals and not covered by the ADA which is ਀眀栀攀爀攀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀漀渀攀猀琀氀礀 愀猀欀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 挀愀琀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀琀 栀漀渀攀猀琀 瀀爀漀漀昀 漀昀 ഊservice animals, well over 90% are owner trained. They do not have to have ਀挀攀爀琀椀昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 ⠀椀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 琀栀攀 氀愀眀 琀漀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 愀猀欀 昀漀爀 琀栀愀琀⤀⸀ 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀 ഊare viewed as durable medical equipment. also falsly claiming an animal as a ਀猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 椀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 琀栀攀 氀愀眀 愀渀搀 椀猀 愀 昀椀渀攀愀戀氀攀 漀昀昀攀渀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀䌀栀愀猀猀 眀栀漀 椀猀 圀栀攀攀氀挀栀愀椀爀 戀漀甀渀搀 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 戀漀甀渀搀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 甀瀀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ 伀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀 ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ ഊFrom: "Martha Sieting" ਀㰀㰀㰀 䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 猀攀攀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 爀甀氀攀猀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 ഊhorses are specifically prohibited (Though my memory may be faulty, and I'm ਀猀甀爀攀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀椀氀氀 椀猀猀甀攀 愀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀 椀昀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀⸀⤀ഊ ਀ⴀ䠀攀氀攀渀愀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:20:27 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀吀攀爀爀礀 䐀攀挀欀攀爀∀ 㰀琀⸀搀⸀搀攀挀欀攀爀 愀琀 愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Pensic Mobility Options ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䈀樀漀爀渀 䴀愀最渀甀猀猀漀渀 䔀猀瀀椀渀最Ⰰ 䈀愀爀漀渀 一愀洀爀漀渀Ⰰ 栀愀搀 戀甀爀爀漀✀猀 栀攀愀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀 栀椀猀 ഊmobility scooter. He referred to his iron beast as Donkey Oatey. ਀ഊBear ਀ഊ<<< you will not be alone at Pennsic - I saw a woman with a horse on the front ਀漀昀 栀攀爀 挀栀愀椀爀 琀栀椀猀 礀攀愀爀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀伀渀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 䄀甀最 ㄀㌀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀 愀琀 ㄀㈀㨀㌀㈀ 倀䴀Ⰰ 䌀栀愀猀猀 䈀爀漀眀渀 ഊwrote: ਀ഊI decided I must .... fancy up my powerchair... so I am decking it out to ਀氀漀漀欀 氀椀欀攀 愀 挀栀愀爀椀漀琀⸀⸀ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 栀漀戀戀礀 栀漀爀猀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀⸀ 匀椀渀挀攀 䤀 愀洀 ഊroman by personna lol... ਀ഊChass ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㐀㨀㔀㘀㨀㔀㠀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: Deborah Hammons ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 䄀渀椀洀愀氀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ<<< So how does one prove the claim is false if one is not allowed to ask why ਀琀栀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 椀猀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 漀爀 昀漀爀 瀀爀漀漀昀 漀昀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀㼀ഊ ਀ⴀ䠀攀氀攀渀愀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 漀昀 漀甀爀 甀猀甀愀氀 猀椀琀攀猀 昀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 愀搀洀椀琀猀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀 漀渀氀礀⸀  䤀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 愀渀搀ഊasked how they verify it. Our wonderful site owner said they first look for ਀琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 瘀攀猀琀⸀  吀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 渀漀琀椀挀攀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀 漀眀渀攀爀 椀猀ഊvisibly disabled, and if the animal stays either leashed or close to the ਀漀眀渀攀爀⸀  一漀 瀀甀瀀瀀椀攀猀 漀爀 欀椀琀琀攀渀猀 漀爀 戀椀爀搀猀⸀  吀栀椀猀 椀猀 椀渀搀漀漀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀礀 愀渀搀 氀愀爀最攀ഊthey prefer the service animals not go into the kitchen. ਀ഊAldyth ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㜀㨀㐀㐀㨀㔀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Chass Brown" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 䄀渀椀洀愀氀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊDiabetic alert animals are still not recognized by SCOTUS (Supreme Court of ਀琀栀攀 唀渀椀琀攀搀 匀琀愀琀攀猀⤀ 愀猀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀 礀攀琀 戀甀琀 眀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 最椀瘀椀渀最 甀瀀 㨀⤀⸀ 䤀琀 ഊwas a year and a half ago they finally realized Siezure alert animals should ਀戀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀 戀攀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀 琀爀礀 琀漀 爀攀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 愀 搀漀最⸀⸀⸀ 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀氀愀椀洀 ഊits a service animal and you get challenged and the cops called and it ਀搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 昀椀琀 琀栀攀 挀爀椀琀攀爀椀愀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀攀 琀栀攀 栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀 漀昀 礀漀甀 愀渀搀 搀爀愀最 礀漀甀 ഊbefore court. I am one who thinks ESA (emotional Support animals) should be ਀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䄀䐀䄀 䤀 昀攀攀氀 琀栀攀礀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀 瘀愀氀椀搀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀⸀ 匀挀漀琀甀猀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 礀攀琀 ഊthough. ਀ഊChass ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㜀㨀㔀　㨀㈀　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Chass Brown" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 䄀渀椀洀愀氀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊAnother area you don't have to dress your animal.. I do when he is out ਀眀漀爀欀椀渀最 搀甀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 栀攀 栀愀猀 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 猀琀愀琀攀 氀愀眀⸀ ഊInterfering with a service animal is a major offense. As to how one judges ਀昀爀漀洀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀漀猀琀⸀⸀ 椀琀猀 愀 樀甀搀最洀攀渀琀 挀愀氀氀 琀漀 戀攀 昀爀愀渀欀⸀ 伀渀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 氀漀漀欀 ഊup the proper skills for a service animal... and when in doubt pass the buck ਀甀瀀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 搀攀挀椀搀攀⸀ 圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀愀搀礀 栀攀爀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 䌀栀椀 搀漀最⸀⸀⸀ 琀栀椀猀 ഊdog wears a service dog vest.. and rides on her shoulder everywhere... when ਀礀漀甀 愀猀欀 栀攀爀 眀栀愀琀 栀攀 搀漀攀猀⸀⸀ 栀攀 栀攀氀瀀猀 栀攀爀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 搀攀瀀爀攀猀猀椀漀渀 ⠀渀漀琀攀 琀栀椀猀 ഊdog is a ESA not a service animal) but I have never ever seen her husband ਀愀爀漀甀渀搀 漀爀 栀椀洀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀 搀漀最⸀ 吀椀猀 樀甀猀琀 愀渀 攀砀挀甀猀攀 昀漀爀 栀攀爀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 栀攀爀 瀀攀琀 琀漀 ഊevents. My Pyr is trained to unstick my chair.. go for help.. provide ਀琀爀愀渀猀昀攀爀 愀猀猀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 昀攀眀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀愀猀欀猀⸀ 䰀漀瘀攀 洀礀 戀攀愀爀 搀漀最 㨀⤀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 ഊsomeone submits the answer he helps with depression, or any feeling you know ਀椀琀猀 渀漀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䌀栀愀猀猀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 伀渀攀 漀昀 漀甀爀 甀猀甀愀氀 猀椀琀攀猀 昀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 愀搀洀椀琀猀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀 漀渀氀礀⸀  䤀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 愀渀搀ഊasked how they verify it. Our wonderful site owner said they first look for ਀琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 瘀攀猀琀⸀  吀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 渀漀琀椀挀攀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀 漀眀渀攀爀 椀猀ഊvisibly disabled, and if the animal stays either leashed or close to the ਀漀眀渀攀爀⸀  一漀 瀀甀瀀瀀椀攀猀 漀爀 欀椀琀琀攀渀猀 漀爀 戀椀爀搀猀⸀  吀栀椀猀 椀猀 椀渀搀漀漀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀礀 愀渀搀 氀愀爀最攀ഊthey prefer the service animals not go into the kitchen. ਀䄀氀搀礀琀栀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:42:34 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䰀椀猀愀∀ 㰀氀愀搀礀攀洀瀀 愀琀 猀戀挀最氀漀戀愀氀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Service Animal ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀✀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 匀漀 栀漀眀 搀漀攀猀 漀渀攀 瀀爀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀椀洀 椀猀 昀愀氀猀攀 椀昀 漀渀攀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 琀漀 愀猀欀 眀栀礀ഊthe animal is needed or for proof of service? ਀ഊ-Helena >>> ਀ഊThere's the crux.... Most of it is attributable to common sense, something ਀琀栀愀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 氀愀挀欀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 搀愀礀 愀渀搀 愀最攀 ⨀猀椀最栀⨀  䰀攀最愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ഊanimals do not have to be dressed or otherwise identified as service animals ਀戀礀 愀 瘀攀猀琀 漀爀 瀀愀琀挀栀⸀  䠀愀瘀椀渀最 猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 甀猀攀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀ഊwill typically dress or somehow identify their animal as a service animal to ਀洀椀渀椀洀椀稀攀 挀漀渀昀爀漀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀⸀  唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀愀欀攀猀 愀氀猀漀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 琀漀ഊdress/patch their animals for the same reason. Most times, the disability ਀椀猀 漀戀瘀椀漀甀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀栀攀 最攀愀爀 琀栀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 眀攀愀爀猀 最椀瘀攀猀 椀琀 愀眀愀礀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊharness with a handle used on guide dogs. The best way to identify a ਀猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 椀猀 琀漀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀攀 椀琀 昀漀爀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀⸀  䄀 琀爀甀攀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀ഊwill be observing and attending to their handler and ignoring everything ਀愀爀漀甀渀搀 椀琀Ⰰ 甀渀氀攀猀猀 椀琀✀猀 搀甀琀椀攀猀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀 椀琀 琀漀 戀攀 愀氀攀爀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀渀瘀椀爀漀渀洀攀渀琀ഊaround it (guide dog or hearing dog). Also, a handler of a service animal ਀眀栀漀 欀渀漀眀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 氀攀最愀氀氀礀 攀渀琀椀琀氀攀搀 琀漀 愀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 眀椀氀氀 昀椀最栀琀ഊbeing turned away the majority of the time, a fake who is trying to pass off ਀愀 瀀攀琀 愀猀 愀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 眀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 爀椀猀欀 挀漀渀昀爀漀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 椀昀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 愀眀愀礀Ⰰഊbecause they know that they are not legally entitled to what they are ਀挀氀愀椀洀椀渀最⸀  䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 最漀漀搀 猀椀最渀 漀昀 愀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 椀猀 琀爀愀椀渀椀渀最⸀  䄀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ഊanimal typically has exceptional behavior, and makes itself as unobtrusive ਀愀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 爀愀爀攀 琀漀 猀攀攀 愀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 愀挀琀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 戀愀爀欀 ⠀甀渀氀攀猀猀 椀琀✀猀ഊalerting to something and that's it's trained response) or have an accident ਀椀渀 愀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 瀀氀愀挀攀⸀  䄀渀礀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 琀栀愀琀 最爀漀眀氀猀 漀爀 猀渀愀瀀猀 愀琀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊbe retired by a responsible handler and can be removed from the premises ਀氀攀最愀氀氀礀 搀甀攀 琀漀 愀最最爀攀猀猀椀瘀攀 戀攀栀愀瘀椀漀爀⸀  ഊ ਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀愀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris disabilities-msg Page 43 of 43 ਀ഊ