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Medieval Spain. Information sources.

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From: kellogg at rohan.sdsu.edu (C. Kevin Kellogg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Please help with sources on Spanish Knights circa 1100 AD
Date: 29 Sep 1997 19:48:01 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University

Lcraven (Lcraven at ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: I have just recently joined the SCA and would like to model my persona as
: a Spanish knight circa 1100 AD.  Can anyone help point me in some
: directions for armor photos and history of names?  I have checked the
: search engines, but they proved to be more frustrating than anything else. 
: Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks

        There are some medieval Spanish texts available at <URL: http://
www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1.html#spain1>.  A list of given names from
the court of King Alfonso VI of Leon-Castilla, dating between 1050 and 1109
can be found at <URL: http://www.us.itd.umich.edu/~ximenez/s.gabriel/docs/
spanish11m.html>.  The Osprey Men-at-Arms book _El Cid and the Reconquista_
can be ordered at <URL: http://www.erinet.com/grandio/book_osm.html>.
The Lay of the Cid is available at <URL: http://sunsite.berkley.edu/
OMACL/Cid>.  An interesting text titled Conspiracy in Sotonera, written in
1058, about a war between Aragon and Zaragoza, can be read at <URL: http://
english-www.hss.cmu.edu/history/conspiracy-in-sotonera.txt>.  An article
on Aragonese historiography in the 11th and 12th centuries can be found
at <URL: http://english-www.hss.cmu.edu/history/aragonese-historiography.txt>.

        These links will, hopefully, get you started.

Avenel Kellough 


From: randallg at brodnet.com (randall)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Please help with sources on Spanish Knights circa 1100 AD
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:15:13 GMT

On 28 Sep 1997 14:04:39 GMT, "Lcraven" <Lcraven at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>  I have just recently joined the SCA and would like to model my persona as
>a Spanish knight circa 1100 AD.  Can anyone help point me in some
>directions for armor photos and history of names?  I have checked the
>search engines, but they proved to be more frustrating than anything else. 
>Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks
>
>L. Cancio
>lcraven at ix.netcom.com

Why not post the message on a MedHistory list, and see what comes up?
A list (including one dealing in medieval Iberia) of lists is listed
at:

http://www.towson.edu/~duncan/acalists.html

One list to which you may want to subscribeis 

MEDIBER, whose list server is : liststar at humnet.ucla.edu

Or check out:  http://ebbs.english.vt.edu/medieval/medieval.ebbs.html
for some interesting links.  For Iberia itself, there is the American
Academy of Research Historians of Medieval Spain, with a web site at
http://kuhttp.cc.ukans.edu/kansas/aarhms/mainpage.html.

Ramons lo Montalbanes


From: clevin at ripco.com (Craig Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Please help with sources on Spanish Knights circa 1100 AD
Date: 1 Oct 1997 00:31:27 GMT
Organization: Ripco Internet, Chicago

Lcraven <Lcraven at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I have just recently joined the SCA and would like to model my persona as
>a Spanish knight circa 1100 AD.  Can anyone help point me in some
>directions for armor photos and history of names?  I have checked the
>search engines, but they proved to be more frustrating than anything else. 
>Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks

You are indeed fortunate, as you've chosen a persona who's
roughly contemporary to Ruy Diaz de Bivar, El Cid Campeador. The
Cantar de Mio Cid is in translation with a facing Spanish text.
It's available at Border's, for I saw it there today. The poem is
roughly historical-all of the individuals existed, though the
events weren't necessarily as the poet described them. Also, there's
a discussion of Spanish chivalrous literature in Prestage's
Chivalry, though that's hard to find, save at large libraries.
It's got a few photos of mediaeval illuminations of Spanish
warriors.

Unless you go to the Orb (http://www.orb.rhodes.edu) or the
Labyrinth (http://www.georgetown.edu/labyrinth), there's very
little out there that's reliable that's not at Arval's site or
the SCA site. Books are still your best source, and will be for
some time to come.

Dom Pedro de Alcazar
Barony of Storvik, Atlantia
Pursuivant and Junior Minion
--
http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~clevin/index.html 
clevin at ripco.com
Craig Levin


Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: bq676 at torfree.net (Kristine E. Maitland)
Subject: Re: Need help for Spanish military personna born 1564:resources?
Organization: Toronto Free-Net
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:59:58 GMT

Bona dies, tutti!

Late sixteenth century Spanish adventurer, eh?  Ever think of heading for 
the Philippines?...For an interesting perspective on Spanish history, you 
might want to check this book out (sorry, library humour):

William Henry Scott. _Slavery in the Spanish Philippines_. Manilla:
        De La Salle Press, 1991.

I happened on this book while working on my black history bibliography.  
It's an AMAZING read, a must for anyone doing late period Spanish 
adventurer or for anyone interested in South Asian history (in period).

Did I mention that you can read the whole thing in a hour?  Definitely a 
two thumbs up from this researcher.[Hey, I didn't know that blacks were 
being shipped to the Philippines in the period.  Learn something new 
every day]

sinceremente
Inez
-- 
Inez Rosanera                           Kristine Maitland
cortigiana,cantana, pariole             branch assistant, lyricist, critic
Barony of Septentria                    Toronto, Ontario
Principality ofEaldormere               Canada


From: Stephen Bloch <sbloch at adl15.adelphi.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:36:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SC - 1.) Authenticity/Documentation   2.) Spain

Joan Garner wrote:
> 	As I have been increasingly entranced lately by medieval Spanish
> 	music (I sing & play harp), I would like to learn more about
> 	the related food.  Can anyone suggest a book, website or other
> 	source of recipes?  Although a beginner to period cookery, I have
> 	worked professionally as a cook, so it doesn't have to be TOO
> 	simple-minded.

One place to look is Cariadoc's _Miscellany_, which contains a lot of
recipes from Arabo-Andalusian sources (as well as those from English,
French, German, and Persian sources).  Volume II of Cariadoc's
_Collection of Medieval and Renaissance Cookbooks_ contains a complete
translation of the 13th-century Arabo-Andalusian cookbook.  I wrote a
T.I. article about meatless dishes from this cookbook several years ago;
it's on the Web at "http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/articles/veggie.html".  

If you're more interested in Christian Spain, probably the best sources
are Catalan rather than "Spanish" proper: the 14th-century _Libre de
Sent Sovi_ and the late-15th or early-16th c. _Libre del Coch_.  We did
a feast in February mostly from these two sources; see the Web page
"http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/cooking/st.val.feast.html" for menu
and example recipes.
					mar-Joshua ibn-Eleazar ha-Shalib
                                                 Stephen Bloch
                                           sbloch at panther.adelphi.edu
					 http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/
                                        Math/CS Dept, Adelphi University


From: David Korup <drumfest at bellsouth.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
To: lesterw at mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Islamic Spain
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:13:28 GMT

Lester Williams wrote:
> I am looking for illuminations from islamic spain.  Does anyone know
> of  sources from that region?  I have many fine Persian, Turkish and
> Indian illuminations, but only three from Spain.
>
> Blodwen

Shalom Alechem from Daveed Shumel ben Rachon...I wish to direct your
attention to two web sites that may prove helpful. The first is
www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8636/This is Chaiya bat Avraham
Toledano's site. She is a Spanish Jewess whose site has links to other
wonderful places. Her site is also equally wonderful and informative.
She sets a standard that is well focuses and thought provoking. The
other site is the Internet Medieval Sourcebook:
www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1.html

Alechem Shalom


From: Elaine Ragland <er37 at columbia.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Islamic Spain
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:09:09 -0400
Organization: Columbia University

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Lester Williams wrote:
> I am looking for illuminations from islamic spain.  Does anyone know
> of  sources from that region?  I have many fine Persian, Turkish and
> Indian illuminations, but only three from Spain.  Any suggestions will
> be appreciated!
> 
> Blodwen

The Metropolitan Museum did a large show several years ago called "Al
Andalus."  There should be illustrations in the catalog.  I don't know if
the catalog is still in print (although I think it is), but any good
university library with an art history program should have a copy.

I remember going to the exhibit.  The Islamic wing did a sister show with
Islamic Spanish books, but unfortunately there was no catalog.  Beautiful
illustrations, but the light was so dim that it took a great deal of study
(and eye damage) to see details.

Elaine Ragland
aka Melanie de la Tour 


From: mromero106 at aol.com (MRomero106)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Islamic Spain
Date: 01 May 1998 06:30:15 GMT

The art showing mentioned was also placed into a book that includes some of the
history of the cities and artwork that came from them.  It is titled
AL-ANDALUS:The art of Islamic Spain.  Unfortunately it is now out of print but
I have found it in at least two libraries and it is a source of illuminations
as well as many other items created in Moorish Spain.

Naquiib Zaid


Subject: ANST - Fw: LAS CANTIGAS DE SANTA MARIA 13th Century Spain
Date: Wed, 06 May 98 09:27:47 MST
From: "Cadwynn MacDonald" <mac-tire at nts-online.net>
To: "ansteorra  at  Ansteorra.ORG" <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>

Thought I would pass this along for anyone interested in 13th Century
Spain, or for the archives.  I have no personal knowledge of this tape
or the Company....

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From: DUENDEPIX <DUENDEPIX at aol.com>
To: mac-tire at nts-online.net <mac-tire at nts-online.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 2:31 AM
Subject: LAS CANTIGAS DE SANTA MARIA

>LAS CANTIGAS DE SANTA MARIA
>An Historical Mirror from 13th Century Spain
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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>
>
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>
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:29:16 -0600
From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
Subject: RE: SC - European vs. Middle Eastern-addendum to OT

> From:         Shari Burnham[SMTP:pndarvis at execpc.com]
>
> My younger sister would
> like a Spanish persona, more of an earlier period between 1000-1200, but have
> a hard time finding reading materials on Spain in that time period that would
> not go over her head (she is 15) because of the PhD work behind them.  Can
> anyone recommend books, articles, etc, especially on living, that she could
> use.  i have heard some discussion on cookbooks that actually cross reference
> customs on this list, and since remembering that Spain was partially
> islamic, wondered about where to take a look?

I would start with Cariadoc's Miscellany, accessible at:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/miscellany.html

In Search of the Cid by S. Cissold is available for about $8 from Barnes and
Noble.  It has some interesting historical background.

Other books you might look for are R. Fletcher, The Quest for El Cid, and D.
Nicolle, El Cid and the Reconquest, 1050 - 1492.

The following I would try to get through the library due to expense.  These
are more scholarly and may prove boring to the younger reader, another
reason for letting the library find them.

Thomas F. Glick,  From Muslim Fortress to Christian Castle

Joseph F. O'Callaghan, A History of Medieval Spain

Simon Barton, Aristocracy in 12th Century Leon and Castile

Bernard F. Reilly, The Medieval Spains

Bear


From:           Simone89 at aol.com
Date sent:      Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:14:37 EST
Subject:        Fwd: Muslim-Crusader Treaties
To:             atlantia at atlantia.sca.org

I thought this was pretty fascinating.
Simone

>  LOS ANGELES, Nov. 16 (AScribe News) -- Two UCLA medieval
>scholars working in the Royal Archives in Barcelona have
>identified two unique Muslim-Crusader treaties dating from
>the wars between Islam and Christendom.
>
>   The two tattered, blotted documents -- one parchment, the
>other paper, written in black ink that has oxidized to brown
>-- are the only Christian-Islamic surrender treaties from
>the crusader period to survive in their original interlinear
>bilingual form.
>
>   "The discovery of the treaties represents one of the most
>important archival finds of the century for students of the
>Middle Ages," said Robert I. Burns, a senior history
>professor at UCLA who reconstructed the documents with
>historian Paul E. Chevedden.  "All three cultures of
>medieval Spain -- Muslim, Christian and Jewish -- played a
>part in the drafting of these international agreements, and
>their ratification signaled a new stage in the evolution of
>Spain's multicultural society that would have dramatic
>effects both in Europe and in the Americas."
>
>   "The Arabic texts of these documents are extremely
>important," said Chevedden.  "Other than these two texts,
>there is little documentation in Arabic for crusader-era
>Muslim society or for Muslim-Christian interaction in Spain
>in its original artifact form."
>
>   Burns and Chevedden have published a full-length study of
>the documents in their new book, "Negotiating Cultures:
>Bilingual Surrender Treaties in Muslim-Crusader Spain Under
>James the Conqueror" (E.J. Brill).
>
>   The full meaning of these battered and deteriorated
>documents emerged only from a minute reconstruction of the
>bilingual texts by Burns and Chevedden.  Both treaties were
>part of an epic struggle to subdue Eastern Islamic Spain by
>King James the First, "The Conqueror" (1213-1276), ruler of
>federated Aragon and Catalonia.
>
>   Of the many surrender agreements negotiated by James
>during 50 crusading years (1225-1276), only the two studied
>by Burns and Chevedden survive in their original bilingual
>form.
>
>   "These treaties not only depict how peace emerged from
>war, but how a major multicultural society developed in the
>Kingdom of Valencia," said Burns.  "This region formed a
>crucible for the convergence of cultures in the medieval
>Mediterranean world," Burns noted, "and the mingling of
>Muslim, Christian and Jewish cultures would define Spain and
>would color Spain's actions and institutions in the New
>World."
>
>   Though representing different political-military episodes
>in the same long crusade, the treaties were separated from
>each other by less than a year during the mid-1240s.
>
>   "A kaleidoscope of contexts affected each of the
>treaties," said Burns, "and provides enough drama for a
>Hollywood epic.  The exhilarating backdrop to these
>documents comprises the dizzying changes that issued from
>the collapse of Islamic Spain; the bitter rivalry of Castile
>and Aragon; the struggle for southern France involving
>marriage maneuvers and the attempted abduction of the
>heiress of Provence; papal embassies to the Mongols; a
>crusade to the Holy Land that King James aborted for the
>love of a lady; a queen shunned in the royal chambers but
>esteemed at the negotiating table; the daring ambush of the
>king by his Muslim nemesis; and the final end of the great
>crusader of Christendom and the legendary champion of
>Islamic Spain in the same year."
>
>   The first treaty -- the surrender of the city of Jativa
>to King James in 1244 -- had mysteriously disappeared during
>the Middle Ages.  In 1991, archivist Alberto Torra recovered
>it in the archives of the realms of Aragon-Catalonia in
>Barcelona among "problem" manuscripts that had not been
>deciphered.  The director of the Royal Archives, Rafael
>Conde y Delgado de Molina, alerted Burns and Chevedden about
>its discovery, and the UCLA scholars edited the text and
>minutely reconstructed its context.
>
>   The second treaty -- the surrender of a Muslim
>warrior-ruler called al-Azraq to King James and his son in
>1245 -- was known mostly to local historians and as an
>isolated oddity, until Burns and Chevedden recently created
>a critical edition of it with commentary.
>
>   In research on both treaties, Burns investigated the
>historical context of the documents and analyzed the
>Latinate texts of the treaties.  Chevedden, an Arabist and
>Middle Eastern historian at UCLA's Center for Near Eastern
>Studies, edited and interpreted the Arabic texts.
>
>   The Arabic text of the Jativa treaty alternates with
>lines of a Latin text, and the Arabic of the al-Azraq
>document is interwoven among lines in Romance text.
>Curiously, however, the Arabic and the Latinate texts of the
>treaties are not direct translations of each other.  The
>Arabic texts of the two agreements selected the elements of
>each accord that were most crucial to the Muslims, while the
>Latinate texts similarly emphasized those points basic to
>the Christians' interest.
>
>   "The Arabic texts of the treaties approach the two
>agreements in quite a different spirit than do the Latinate
>texts," said Chevedden.  "The interlinear arrangement of the
>documents allows a view of the opposing political
>psychologies of the two adversaries and reveals two very
>different understandings of their shared agreement."
>
>   The confluence of cultures in Spain can also be seen in
>the treaties.  As Chevedden pointed out, "The Arabic
>secretariat of the Christian chancery, which was staffed by
>Jews, drafted the Arabic texts of both treaties, so that
>these documents embody the convergence of the three cultures
>of medieval Spain: Muslim, Christian and Jewish."
>
>   Both treaties exhibit unusual terms.  Unlike a
>conventional surrender agreement in which a victor dictates
>to an enfeebled enemy, the "defeated" parties of these
>treaties were bargaining from a position of strength and
>retained substantial negotiating assets.
>
>   "In 1244, Jativa surrendered on a qualified basis and
>salvaged considerable powers of autonomy," said Chevedden.
>"The thirty-three surviving provisions of the Jativa treaty
>reveal that King James was in no position to dictate terms,
>but was compelled to offer incentives to entice the Jativans
>to surrender."
>
>   "The exemptions, privileges and rights that were
>safeguarded by the treaty attest to the capacity of the
>Jativans to preserve their identity and institutions even as
>the integrity of their society was threatened by political
>domination," said Chevedden.  "The treaty maintained the
>city's ruling family in power and left its population, its
>defenses and its army all intact."
>
>   The al-Azraq treaty demonstrates that a surrender
>agreement can also mask covert action.
>
>   "In 1245, al-Azraq cunningly played at surrender with
>King James in order to gain necessary time to launch an
>Islamic counter-crusade," said Burns.  "The 'great war' that
>erupted two years after al-Azraq's 'capitulation' drew the
>attention of wider Christendom and required a full-fledged
>papal crusade and a ten-year campaign before the king was
>able to achieve victory."
>
>   A faculty research grant from UCLA and grants from the
>Institute of Medieval Mediterranean Spain at Los Angeles and
>from Iberia Airlines enabled the authors to examine the
>treaties in the crown archives at Barcelona.  The
>Spectronics Corporation of Westbury, N.Y., contributed two
>Spectroline magnifying ultraviolet lamps to assist tracking
>trace amounts of fluorescence in the badly ruined Jativa
>treaty.  The Program for Cultural Cooperation between
>Spain's Ministry of Education and Culture and United States
>Universities provided financial assistance for the
>publication of "Negotiating Cultures."
>
>   "For the history of both Islamic and Christian Spain, the
>recovery of these treaties is a major event," said Burns.
>"This discovery may have special significance for our own
>day, when some twelve million Muslims now reside within
>Europe, with more arriving daily, so that the Muslim
>presence and multiculturalism as in King James' day is once
>again, over seven centuries later, deeply marking today's
>Europe."

Bryan S. McDaniel      SCA aka Kestrel of Wales
http://kestrel.hawk.org        http://kestrelw.webjump.com


Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:20:17 -0400
From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <rcmann4 at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Online facsimiles (mostly in Spanish)
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Someone on the Medieval Spain list shared some links to online sources of
historic documents.  One of these is the BIBLIOTECA VIRTUAL
DIOSCORIDES, which comtains hundreds of facsimile documents, mostly in
Spanish, though there are a handful in other languages. They are pre-1900
books related to medicine and health, but there are quite a few of interest to
us cooks.  In Spanish, there are herbals and pharmaceutical manuals,
there's a facsimile of Alonso de Hererra's 1513 agricultural manual, and a
1572 health manual, which I think is about to become my new translation
project.

For the Italophiles, there's a facsimile of Scappi's Opera
http://cisne.sim.ucm.es/search*spi/g?SEARCH=DIOSCORIDES

Brighid ni Chiarain *** mka Robin Carroll-Mann
Barony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom


Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:43:59 -0700
From: Greg Lindahl <lindahl at pbm.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Online facsimiles (mostly in Spanish)
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 02:20:17AM -0400, Robin Carroll-Mann wrote:
> Someone on the Medieval Spain list shared some links to online sources 
> of historic documents.  One of these is the BIBLIOTECA VIRTUAL
> DIOSCORIDES,

Majorly spiffy. If you look at:

http://aands.org/onlinebooks.html

I have a link to a list sorted by date -- it's labeled "Books at the
Universidad Complutense, Madrid".  It turns out that there are 1,157
pre-1600 texts! Wow. I'd love to hear about ones of particular interest.

-- greg


Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:02:08 -0700
From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at jeffnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Grade school Spanish
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

>>>
Medieval Spain was a wonderful place to live, where Muslims, Christen and Jews debated and created a real multicultural melting pot!

It was muslims architects working over the whole Peninsule, Jewish Maimonides discussing with the Arabic Averroes. At that time Cordoba and Sevilla were the biggest cities in Europe and they had a rich bath culture, very similar to which the Romans had in the Empire. It was a time of exchange, but it was also a time of clashes and encounters between Christen and Muslims. It was the time of El Cid, Spains most renowed Christen hero and of the sultans in Baghdad being jealous of their Spanish bethren.

 Ana
<<<

That really depends on *when*, and *where*, Ana.  Those areas under Muslim
rule, earlier on, yes, were rich in diversity- very like Sicily. But things
changed as the Christian Spaniards pushed the Muslims south. And some of
the pogroms led by Spanish Christians against the Jews compare to those in
Germany and Russia at their height of anti-Semitism. (Isabella threw the
last Jews out of the country in 1492.) Toledo fell to Alfonso in... 1081,
IIRC. By the middle of the 13th century, most of the peninsula was in
Christian hands, and in 1252, all the Muslims held was Granada.

And in Cordova, the Christians BURNT a library of more than a million
volumes, many of them the only copies of Greek and Latin texts. They
destroyed the University, were some of the finest doctors in Europe were
trained. They also sacked a city that had an efficient water and sewer
system, safe, lighted streets, and even hanging plants cared for by the
government.

(Yeah, I can forgive many things, but burning a library is right out.)

'Lainie


Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:05:19 -0400
From: wildecelery at aol.com
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: Spain and Dance
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

>>>>
> 2. Dance, with a focus on the difference
> between the Celtic-influenced
> jota and the Middle-Eastern influenced flamenco
> (Which also has some celtic-like elements)

Middle-Eastern influenced flamenco?  The flamenco
is a modern decendent of the Renaissance dance
called the Canario.  I know of no Middle-Eastern
dances that are stamping related.  Perhaps you
could tell me where you found this information?
<<<<

As a beginning Spanish teacher, I had the priviledge of watching the
Renaldo Rincon dance company perform.  They did several versions of the
Jota...noting that its roots are in the northern regions of Spain
(heavily influenced by the celts and the celtiberos [there may be
another word for this in English, but it's stuck in my head in Spanish
at the moment])

   The also performed several Flamenco pieces.  As the school was in the
immigrant magnate city for the state, I had a particular student in my
class who was of Kurdish, Turkish, and Iraqi descent.  As we discussed
the dance presentation in class, she got very excited, yet quiet.
After class, she came up to talk to me, knowing that I was a beginning
student of Middle Eastern dance at the time... though the "stamp" if
not found in often in Middle Eastern (though it is found in some Gypsy
or Romani dance), some of the hip motions are very similar (for
instance what is called in modern Middle Eastern the Maya{aka make the
Mc Donald's sign with your hips} )  Also...the castanets are very
similar to zils or finger symbols.  {side note, there are some Stamp
-like moves found in Turkish dance...though not used in the purcussive
style found in flamenco}

It's not information that I have written anywhere specific...perhaps
something that I should look into more in depth...

-Ardenia


Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:44:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Spain and Dance
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

When I first joined the SCA in 1974, the Baroness
of Angels was Mistress Ximena Aubel de Cambria.
She and her sister, Viscountess Arabella Lyon de
Rohese had SCA personas from Spain, but,
mundanely, were of Castillian Spanish heritage.
[Their parents fled Spain in the 1930's.]
When they were young ladies, they had been
professional flamenco dancers in Jose Greco's
dance troup.  They were very thoroughly
knowledgeable in the history and lore of
flamanco dancing.  They told me that the
two major roots of flamenco dance were Spanish
court dances, like the Canario, and gypsy or
Rom dancing.  If a move or two has similarities
to a move or two in Middle Eastern dancing, it
is because it may have been picked up in the
many travels of the Rom.  While there is a
thread-like link between the two, I would
not call it a root.  And I definitely would
not call flamenco dancing "Middle-Eastern
influenced".

As for castanets being related to zills or
finger cymbals, again you are not entirely
correct.  Both can be traced to pre-historic
times all over the world. Similar sound makers
can be found in Ancient Egypt, Greece, China,
the Ukraine, and Spain, this does not mean that
they influenced one to the other.  The only
relationship they have is that they are rhythmic
noise makers held with one in each hand.  With
zills, you have a [usually] metal cymbol attached
to a finger and another to the thumb.  With
castanets, you have wooden, stone or shell
clappers attached together with a cord and
held between the fingers and the palm.

Huette


Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:51:36 -0400
From: wildecelery at aol.com
Subject: Sca-cooks] Spanish Lessons
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

I did some checking around  and found a few websites with some more
information on the history of flamenco and some discussion of the
Moorish and Gypsy influences.

www.classicalguitarmidi.com
www.flamencodance.com
www.spanish-fiestas.com
www.bbc.co.uk
www.3.telus.net.OScarNieto

-Ardenia


From: clevin at ripco.com (Craig Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: mozarabic references
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:07:38 +0000 (UTC)

Deke <sahdika at gmail.com> wrote:
>  I have started doing some online research on the Mozarabic people of
>Spain in order to provide a backround for my personna.  I have found
>many discussions on the Mozarabic by various groups and numerous web
>sites also, but I want to find book references and any links/books that
>have illustrations and illuminations done by the Mozarabic.
>  In a previous discussion (1998) on the soc.history.medieval group,
>titled "When Did Medieval Warfare End?", a H.D.Miller writes:
>  "The culture did change over time as various groups of immigrants entered the
>   area, but it always retained it's Arab core, with even the non-Muslim
>   minorities adopting Arab customs and names (There was a Bishop of Seville
>   named 'Ubayd Allah ibn Qasim--'Ubayd Allah means "Servant of Allah.""
>
>Does anyone have a reference for this? Also does anyone know of a
>website/book that shows naming practices for this culture?  I would
>greatly appreciate any help.

Although I'm more interested in Renaissance Portugal, please
consider a look at my website of Iberian resources at:
http://pages.ripco.net/~clevin/list.html

For names, I would strongly suggest a look at the Laurel website for names, at:
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names.html

I especially suggest "Andalusian Names: Arabs in Spain", "Jewish
Names in the World of Medieval Islam", and "Jewish Women's Names
in an Arab Context: Names from the Geniza of Cairo".

Pedro 
-- 
http://pages.ripco.net/~clevin/index.html 
clevin at ripco.com
Craig Levin				Librarians Rule: Oook!


Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:28:35 EDT
From: Stanza693 at wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Bread Labor
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

On SCA-Cooks, volume 18, issue 70, Johnnae wrote:
> And certainly on in remote areas, small holdings and in earlier times, it might
> have been common for a family to raise grain, mill it at home and then bake it
> on  bakestone or under the ashes in some fashion (lacking the larger
> bakeovens), but was this practice that generally common by
> the 14th-16th centuries?

I don't know.  I always keep my eyes open for sources about living and
cooking in those time periods since that is when Constanza lived  
(1469-1519) in Castile.  However, ...

The kingdom of Castile was more inclined toward city/town structure from my
understanding.  Teofilo F. Ruiz in his book, "Spanish Society 1400-1600" writes
on page 40-41 that "Inflation (provoked in part by the influx of silver from
America and the increasingly heavier taxes which the Spanish Crown imposed
primarily on Castilian peasants to pay for wars in central Europe and the Low
Countries), droughts and devastating plagues throughout most of the sixteenth
century radically affected those who worked and lived on the land, and drove many fairly propserous farmers into poverty.  This led (again, mostly in Castile) to a large migration from the countryside to city."

Then again, (just to add to my own confusion), Ruiz makes this statement
about the southern portion of Castile where Constanza would have been living
(Modern Huelva is in Andalusia, but medieval Huelva was recaptured much earlier so would have been in Castile):  p.15 "Moreover, after the mid-thirteenth century and the expulsion of the Muslims from western Andalusia (1260s), the  
region became the site for latifundia in Spain.  Large estates dominated the
landscape, and its numerous landless peasants, a true rural proletariat, provided the conditions for social conflict (see Chapter 2)."  So, perhaps, I need to stop reading about town life and concentrate more on estate life.  Either way, finding information on Spain can occasionally prove challenging.

I won't get many details from this source, though.   While this book does
examine the diets of the rich vs. the poor, it does not look at where/how the
foods were obtained.

> I note your source is for 1100-1300. Does this
> source apply to larger households and estates?

I have always understood this source to relate to town dwellers rather than
the larger estates.  Dillard's introduction states:  "Settlements evolved early
to consist of a fortified urban core (the villa, cuerpo de la villa) around a
castle stronghold and a large, sometimes extensive outlying rural landscape
(the alfoz or te'rmino) of common lands, waste and scattered dependent
villages."  A few sentences later he states, "This book is about the pioneering women who migrated to brand-new settlements and their daughters who inhabited the flourishing towns of Leo'n and Castile during the last two centuries of the
medieval Reconquest, roughly between the capture of Toledo in 1085  
and the last quarter of the thirteenth century."

I don't know if that is a fault of mine in the reading of it or not, but
unless he specifically states that he is discussing the castle life, I read his
statements as pertaining to the smaller, individual family groups that would be
found in the urban area.  In the portion of the book I cited yesterday, since
he talks about the grain from the "family plot outside the walls", I assume he
is not talking about a larger estate.

> Certainly manors and estates had divisions of labor and trade statutes
> defined who baked what and at what regulated cost? The Assizes for  
> bread come into existence in England in the 13th century.

I will bow to your superior knowledge on that front.  I have begun to
concentrate solely on Spain in an attempt to further my own persona development. I know very little other than absolute basics about other cultures.

> I suppose the question is Can the person wishing to do the project
> whereby they raise, mill and bake the grain be able to research and  
> prove
> that their persona in that chosen period would have done such a thing?
> Acquiring the heirloom varieties of grain, the land, appropriate
> agricultural implements, the appropriate milling
> stones, learning the techniques, assembling and building the bake  
> oven, etc. might take a number of years. As Olwen used to remind us...
> let's hope they take pictures as they progess...
>
> Johnnae

A sus ordenes,
Constanza Marina de Huelva


Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:36:21 -0600
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Precious stones to ward off evils
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

> Spaniards had Moorish, Muslim, Jewish and Italian contacts but not
> direct contacts with the orient.
>
> Suey

Henry III of Castile sent Ruy Gonzales de Clavijo as an ambassador to the
court of Timur (Tamerlane) in 1403.  While at the court in Samarkand, he
encountered travelers from Cathay.  Clavijo returned to Spain in 1406.

While Spain may not have had many direct contacts with the Orient  
before the 16th Century, absolute non-contact is not the case.

Bear


Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:30:14 -0400
From: Robin Carroll-Mann <rcarrollmann at gmail.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>,
	Medieval_Spain at yahoogroups.com, Order of the Laurel - Restricted
	Access	<sca-laurels at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] A "new" source of 16th century Spanish recipes

Apologies for cross-posting.  Warning: ALL of the links and materials
referenced in this email are in Spanish.

I was following a link and stumbled across mention of a 16th c.
Spanish culinary manuscript that I'd never heard of.  Apparently, the
only copy in the world is in the Austrian National Library, but in
2009, the government of the Spanish region of Navarre published a
limited-edition facsimile.  The book is  "Regalo de la vida humana" by
Juan Valles, who was Treasurer General of the Kingdom of Navarre.
It's one of those Renaissance compendiums of recipes, including
medicines, cosmetics, and perfumes, as well as culinary recipes.  Of
the 7 "books" that compose the manuscript, the last 4 contain culinary
recipes.  Here's a link to a long, detailed article (IN SPANISH) by
the scholar who edited and annotated the facsimile:
http://www.sciencia.cat/biblioteca/documents/Serrano_Regalo.pdf

I've only skimmed the article, but it makes me long for a copy of my
own.  The manuscript has many recipes for sausages, over 30 for
various fritters; there are sauces, meat pies, preserves, escabeches,
pottages, confections... it's a wonder I'm not drooling on my
keyboard!

Many of the recipes are apparently taken from other period sources,
such as de Nola, Granado, Scappi, and Miguel de Baeza, but there
appears to be enough "new" material that I'd really love to see it.  I
found a book dealer who's selling the facsimile for a mere 100 euros.
*sigh*
http://www.marcialpons.es/fichalibro.php?id=100851295

Anyway, it looks very interesting.  And before anyone asks, feel free
to share the information anywhere it might be relevant.

Brighid ni Chiarain


Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:55:56 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] A "new" source of 16th century Spanish
	recipes

On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Robin Carroll-Mann wrote: The book is   
<<< "Regalo de la vida humana" by Juan Valles, who was Treasurer General of the Kingdom of Navarre. >>>

http://www.cfnavarra.es/publicaciones/default.asp?origen=BusquedaG

It's only listed as being at the University of Chicago so far.

Johnna


From: Thomas von Holthausen <tvh.b3r.calontir at GMAIL.COM>
Date: August 31, 2010 1:09:04 PM CDT
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: [CALONTIR] Medieval Spain

Below are books on Medieval Spain recently listed on the Got Medieval web site.

For those who wrote asking for recommendations of books to read to familiarize yourself with medieval Spanish history, here are a few** recommended to me by people who know a lot more about it than I do to tide you over:

For a general survey, see: 

A History of Medieval Spain , by Joseph O'Callaghan
The Medieval Spains (Cambridge Medieval Textbooks) , by Bernard F. Reilly

For a bit of cultural history, either of Maria Rosa Menocal's books will do:

The Ornament of the World: How Muslims, Jews, and Christians Created a Culture of Tolerance in Medieval Spain , or
The Arts of Intimacy: Christians, Jews, and Muslims in the Making of Castilian Culture , written with Jerrilynn D. Dodds and Abigail Krasner Balbale.

For the Arab conquest itself:

The Arab Conquest of Spain: 710-797 (A History of Spain) , by Roger Collins

And for the book most conservative respondents have referenced in emails to me:

Moorish Spain , by Richard Fletcher***
-- 
Herr Thomas von Holthausen
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir


From: Amanda <dakea at KC.RR.COM>
Date: August 31, 2010 8:07:19 PM CDT
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Medieval Spain - La  Reconquista

La Reconquista is the correct term if you are using Spanish. Perhaps in English you can call it the Christian Conquest, but in Spain and Spanish history this period which started just a couple of years after the Muslim invasion of the Iberian Peninsula is correctly called La Reconquista.
Its meaning in English is probably more like the retaking or the taking back of lands you previously owned.
As the Iberian Peninsula was all owned by European folks, the Muslims conquered it which in Spanish would be La Conquista Musulmana de Espana.
From 712 onward starts the struggle of the conquered regions to expel the Muslims from their territories, therefore they are conquering what was once theirs, hence Reconquista.
I also should point out that in Spanish this is not named La Reconquista Cristiana, but only La Reconquista, if you are of the mind that the Visigoths were not all Christians.
 
Amanda.
 
 
From: Historical Recreation in the Kingdom of Calontir [mailto:CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Ackerman
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:25 PM
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Medieval Spain
 
There are a few of us around…  Tho my persona is actually based right around la Conquista Cristiana (I have a hard time with the *re*  part of “reconquista”).  I am also interested in la Convivencia and may play around with her great-great-great-great aunt at some point. 
 
~Alexandra Vazquez de Granada
aka Shandra
 
From: Historical Recreation in the Kingdom of Calontir [mailto:CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of Melisende de la Roche de Lionne
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:15 PM
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Medieval Spain
 
~sigh~
 
I would love to see more medieval Spanish personas, especially during the period of la Convivencia....
 
~Melisende



 
From: Brad Moore <mamluk at YAHOO.COM>
Date: August 31, 2010 9:35:28 PM CDT
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Medieval Spain

I had a grad course in Medieval Spanish Literature last term, and our first book was Ornament of the World; its a fantastic overview, and its a fun read. 
 
The Rise and Fall of Paradise by Elmer Bendiner is also worth looking at. 
 
Another good one, albeit for later period personae:  Hispanic Costume, 1480-1530 by Ruth Anderson is a fantastic resource for costumers, whether portraying Eurocentric or Moorish clothing (which as you will find in this book was a shifting and changing thing).


From: Dorcas or Jean <dorcas_jean at YAHOO.COM>
Date: April 19, 2011 12:01:59 PM CDT
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: [CALONTIR] a book review of especial interest to Jewish personae

Okay, my persona isn't Jewish, and I want this book.

Sacred Trash: The Lost and Found World of the Cairo Geniza
by Adina Hoffman and Peter Cole

http://www.jewishreviewofbooks.com/publications/detail/buried-treasure

Also, this bard wants another book mentioned in the review:  The Dream of the Poem: Hebrew Poetry from Muslim and Christian Spain, 950-1492

Dorcas


From: Anabela de Granada <anabeladg at GMAIL.COM>
Date: September 22, 2011 11:57:53 AM CDT
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: [CALONTIR] Normans vs Al_Andalusians

Here are some articles to help inspire you on the theme of the Crystal Mynes event, Layali al-wuqud (Night of Bonfires).

For those Normans & Anglo-Normans who think they will be left out of Al_Andalus:

http://www.medievalists.net/2008/09/24/norman-and-anglo-norman-participation-in-the-iberian-reconquista-c1018-c1248/

Norman and Anglo-Norman Participation in the Iberian Reconquista c.1018 –
c.1248 - This thesis covers the Norman and Anglo-Norman contribution to the Iberian Reconquista from the early eleventh to the mid-thirteenth centuries. 


From: Mathurin Kerbusso <mathurin at GLADIUSINFRACTUS.COM>
Date: November 15, 2011 3:19:31 PM CST
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] 12th Century Spain

<<< In fact, much of the Arabic influence we see in the middle ages that's
been attributed to the Crusades is thought by some to have originated from
the Muslim conquest of Spain. ~Melisende >>>

In Europe at large, the Crusades probably had a larger effect on lifestyle
-- food, clothing, etc. Muslim Spain had a larger effect on knowledge --
mathematics, medicine, astronomy, philosophy, etc. -- as the Reconquista
brought the vast libraries of Al Andalus to European scholars for the
first time. Europe had Aristotle from Arabic sources.
-- 
Mathurin
"Non nobis solum"


To: Gleann Abhann (mail list) <gleannabhann at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Met book - Art of Medieval Spain - available for download
Posted by: "Brad Moore" mamluk at yahoo.com mamluk
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:44 pm ((PDT))

Reposting from another list:

The Met in NYC has just posted a free downloadable PDF of their out-of-print book "The Art of Medieval Spain". 

http://www.metmuseum.org/research/metpublications/The_Art_of_Medieval_Spain_AD_500_1200
 
Brad Moore


Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 13:23:59 -0400
From: JIMCHEVAL at aol.com
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Fiscal accounts of Catalonia under the early
	count-kings (1151 - 1213)

All kinds of food references here for anyone interested in Catalonia:

Fiscal accounts of Catalonia under the early count-kings (1151 -  1213)
https://books.google.com/books?id=O7djGH01GUMC&lpg=PA425&dq=Arnaldus%20flax&
pg=PA33#v=onepage&q&f=false

Jim  Chevallier

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