Sicily-msg – 3/22/14 Period Sicily. References. NOTE: See also the files: Normans-msg, Italy-msg, pirates-msg, Middle-East-msg, Moors-msg, fd-Italy-msg, blacks-msg, fish-msg, fd-Sicily-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:38:00 -0500 From: "Decker, Terry D." Subject: RE: SC - Rice in period? > I love that great Muslim/Sicilian connection! And the rulers of that > kingdom were ostensibly Norman, weren't they? What a wonderful > concatenation of cultures! Can anyone recommend a resource (books are fine) > with info on this period? It would be fun to have a bunch of Italian, > Norman, Muslim, etc. personae (such as some people i know in real life) > who can relate to each other in one period. > > Anahita The Normans took the island from the Arabs in 1091 and lost it to the French in 1194. The French lost it to Aragon in a rebellion that began with the Sicilian Vespers on the evening of March 31, 1282. I would recommend reading Pomp and Sustenance, a cookbook of Sicilian cooking. Bear Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:13:22 -0400 From: "Daniel Phelps" Subject: SC - Re: Was Rice in period? Now Norman is that You? Was Written: >I love that great Muslim/Sicilian connection! And the rulers of that >kingdom were ostensibly Norman, weren't they? What a wonderful >concatenation of cultures! Can anyone recommend a resource (books are fine) >with info on this period? Try "The Norman Fate, 1100-1154" David C. Douglas, U of California Press, 1976, ISBN: 0-520-03027-3, Library of Congress Cat. Card 75-13155 and his follow on volume "The Normal Achievment". Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:48:42 EDT From: DianaFiona at aol.com Subject: Re: SC - Rice in period? TerryD at Health.State.OK.US writes: << I would recommend reading Pomp and Sustenance, a cookbook of Sicilian cooking. Bear >> Ah, *that's* the name! I was blanking entirely. Lovely book, with lots of interesting info--but no really well documented period recipes. Closest I remember is an eggplant dish purported to be from the 1500s (?), with the eggplant sliced in half, removed from the skin, cooked and mashed, seasoned, and replaced in the (Sautéed) shells, and drizzled with honey before serving. Made the dish a time or two, but it's been a while, so I may have forgotten a lot of details........... ;-) Ldy Diana Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:45:46 -0500 From: "Decker, Terry D." Subject: RE: SC - Rice in period? > Ah, *that's* the name! I was blanking entirely. Lovely book, with lots of > interesting info--but no really well documented period recipes. Closest I > remember is an eggplant dish purported to be from the 1500s (?), with the > eggplant sliced in half, removed from the skin, cooked and mashed, seasoned, > and replaced in the (Sautéed) shells, and drizzled with honey before serving. > Made the dish a time or two, but it's been a while, so I may have > forgotten a lot of details........... ;-) > > Ldy Diana There are a few historical recipes among the quotes and the author is completely honest about her modern sources. She's definitely not trying to recreate medieval cooking. I happened to find the historical commentary and the quotations more interesting than the recipes. Bear Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:46:31 -0500 From: "Decker, Terry D." Subject: SC - OOP - Sicilian eggplant dishes (long) > TerryD at Health.State.OK.US writes: > << > I would recommend reading Pomp and Sustenance, a cookbook of Sicilian > cooking. > > Bear >> > Ah, *that's* the name! I was blanking entirely. Lovely book, with lots of > interesting info--but no really well documented period recipes. Closest I > remember is an eggplant dish purported to be from the 1500s (?), with the > eggplant sliced in half, removed from the skin, cooked and mashed, seasoned, > and replaced in the (Sautéed) shells, and drizzled with honey before serving. > Made the dish a time or two, but it's been a while, so I may have > forgotten a lot of details........... ;-) > > Ldy Diana Actually, I think you are mixing two dishes, caponata and tabacchiere di melanzane. Neither has any date attached to them, however, they are preceded by some recipes originally attributed Mohammed ibn Itmnah, Emir of Catania with notes on the derivation of her more modern versions. I'm not overly fond of eggplant, but these look tasty. Bear Caponata (Sweet and Sour Eggplant) serves 6 2 medium large eggplants (about 2 1/2 pounds) salt 1 1/2 cup olive oil 1 medium onion sliced 6 ribs celery, cut into 1 inch lengths and blanced for 1 minute in boiling water 1 cup pitted green olives 1/2 cup capers 1 1/2 cups plain tomato sauce 1/2 cup white wine vinegar 2 tablespoons of sugar 2 tablespoons unsweetened cocoa (optional) 3/4 cup toasted almonds Wash the eggplants, cut off the stems, and cut the eggplants into 3/4 inch cubes. Sprinkle with abundant salt and allow to drain for an hour. Rinse well, dry, and fry in 1 cup olive oil until golden brown on all sides. Drain on absorbent paper. Saute the onion in 1/2 cup olive oil until it begins to color. Add the blanched celery and cook a minute longer, then add the olives, capers, tomato sauce, vinegar, sugar, and the cocoa if you like. Simmer for 5 minutes. Stir in the eggplant and simmer for 10 minutes. Correct the salt, the refrigerate for 24 hours. Serve the caponata, sprinkled with toasted alomonds, either cold or at room teperature. Note: The addition of cocoa, a very baroque, Spanish touch, renders the caponata richer in color and in consistency. Since my own personal preferences run to things simple, I usually leave it out. According to one book the chefs of the aristocracy would also serve caponata "sprinklled with bottarga, tuna roe, hard-boiled egg yolk, all reduced to a powder; crumbled hard-boiled egg whites, tiny octupus boiled and chopped, small shrimps, boned sardines in oil, and all the shellfish you wish." I find the idea appalling and recommend confining oneself to a liberal sprinkling of toasted almond slivers. Tabacchiere di Melanzane (Eggplant snuffboxes) Serves 6 3 smallish eggplants salt 1 medium onion 1/2 cup olive oil 10 anchovy fillets 1 teaspoon olive oil 1/2 cup parsley 3 garlic cloves 1/2 cup capers 1 cup toasted breadcrumbs 1/3 cup finely dice salami (optional) 2 or 3 egg whites, beaten until foamy 2 cups dried bread crumbs vegetable oil for frying Wash the eggplants, remove the stems, cut in half vertically, and hollow out each half, leaving 1/2 inch shells. Put both the shells and the pulp to soak in salted water for 2 hours. Rinse and drain. Blanch the shells in boiling water for about 5 minutes and drain. Mince or grate the onion, then saute it in 1/2 cup olive oil until soft. Roughly chop the pulp of the eggplant and add it to the onion. Saute for about 10 minutes or until soft, stirring frequently to prevent sticking. Cook the anchovies in 1 teaspoon oil over steam until creamy.* Mince the parsley, the garlic and the capers, then add along with the anchovies to the eggplant-and-onion mixture. Stir in the toasted breadcrumbs and salami, if using it. Blend thoroughly, adding a little oil if necessary to make a fairly compact filling. Fill the eggplant shells with the pulp-an-crumb mixture, pressing down to make it as compact as possible. Bind the stuffed shells by dipping both sides in the beaten egg whites and then in the dried bread crumbs. Make sure they are well coated. Fry the eggplant in 1/4 inch hot oil until well browned on each side. Be sure to begin frying with the filling side down, even though this takes careful handling; otherwise escaping air bubbles will crack the crust. Turn and fry the skin side. Drain on absorbent paper and serve at room temperature. *In a seperate pan or double boiler (I always use a small double-handled frying pan that will sit on top of my spaghetti pot), cook the anchovies together with one teaspoon of olive oil, stirring them until they dissolve into a ceam. This must be done over steam and not over the direct flame, lest the anchovies turn bitter. Recipes are taken from: Simeti, Mary Taylor, Pomp an Sustenance, Twenty-five Centuries of Sicilian Food; Knopf, New York, 1989. Currently available from The Ecco Press as a trade paperback, $19.95. ISBN 0-88001-610-8 From: David Friedman Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Dress in Fatimid Sicily-10th century Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:51:02 GMT maridonna at worldnet.att.net wrote: > I am searching for male and female dress in Fatimid Sicily in the 10th > century. I cannot find anything on the net, and have searched the major > costume sites. If you know of any book sources, please let me know. The > costume books I have ignore that part of the world and concentrate on > Byzantine dress. There is a cathedral ceiling in Palermo that shows male dress and can be found in a fair number of books. I'm not sure of the date. -- David/Cariadoc http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Medieval.html Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:04:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Christiane Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Mediterranean food To: Cooks within the SCA -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Troy/ G. Tacitus Adamantius" Didn't the Normans also hold Sicily, or part of it, for a while, before then? That might well have been a factor, as well, if the cuisine of modern Normandy is any indication. Adamantius Yes, indeed, the Normans did hold Sicily for awhile. In researching my own family's history, I found out that Corleone had originally been an Arab village called Qr'lani. When the Arabs were finally expelled from power (although many chose to remain on the island), William II, one of the Sicilian Norman kings and perhaps the best well known, had Corleone resettled with Lombards. I kept wondering why so many damn red heads with hazel blue or green eyes kept popping up in my grandmother's line. Gianotta From: SNSpies at aol.com Date: Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:30:31 PM US/Central To: SCALibrarians at topica.com Subject: [SCALibrarians] looking for another book   I have need of your expertise once again in finding a location for a book that my local librarians have not be able to find.  That, and a journal article, both of which I am in great need of for my research.  If you can help, you have my undying gratitude.   Abbas, Ihsan, ed.  "A Biographical Dictionary of Sicilian Learned Men and Poets."  Beirut, 1994.   Stern, Samuel M.  "A Twelfth-Century Circle of Hebrew Poets in Sicily". In 'Journal of Jewish Studies' 5 (1954).    Nancy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Nancy Spies Arelate Studio www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:41:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Christiane Subject: Re: [Sca-Cooks] Wikipedia article on Medieval Cuisine To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org > "various European cultures during the Middle Ages, a period roughly > dating from the 5th to the 16th century." > Where was it still the "Middle Ages" in the 1500s? > De The latifondi (feudal estates) of Sicily. Feudal perquisites were not abolished in Sicily until the Napeleonic occupation of Naples and the Bourbon crown's residency in Palermo. Although the workers of the land were technically free tenants, the taxes and rents set by the local barons were so high, they were pretty much bound to their land by default. And their cuisine, such as it was, was decidedly medieval ? the famous dish of maccu was the Sicilian peasant's pease porridge, possibly eaten since Roman times. Gianotta Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:46:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Christiane Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Scapece, samak musakbaj ... just something I came across To: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius" , Cooks within the SCA Adamantius had said: > There's this interesting transposition of consonants we sometimes run > across in foods when translated between different languages, or > sometimes perhaps by scribal error, but for example, you've got cloves > gilofre, cloves girofle, and cloves gillyflower, which sometimes are, > and sometimes are not, the same thing (but they're generally either > the spice clove or the clove pink flower, and usually the former). I > believe I've seen a similar transposition between ascipium and aspic, > although at the moment I couldn't swear to it. Actually, there was free-flowing transposition of words in Norman and Hohenstaufen Sicily in Southern Italy between Arabic, Greek, and Latin. The diwan documents analyzed by Jeremy Johns shows this. For example, there was a special tax imposed by the Muslim conquerors on non-Muslims (dhmimmi) called the jizya. In Norman Sicily, it was the Muslims who became the dhimmi, so to speak, and they had to pay the jizya ? which was transformed into "gesia" in Latin. Another small example: one document refers to a Greek and his vendor wife Setelchousoun (at least that's how the Latin translated her name). In Arabic, it was, "Sitt al Husn," (Mistress of Beauty). She must have been a looker. Other names got transliterated too: Abderrachmen instead of Abd' al Achmen, for example. The scribes did the best that they could do. Frederick's administrators mostly used Latin, but there were some documents still coming out in Arabic. Gianotta Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:46:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Christiane To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Period pasta sauce (was Re: A couple of questions) On Dec 13, 2009, at 1:21 PM, I wrote: <<< The "fresh cheeses dripping with butter and milk on all sides," what kind of cheese do you think he was referring to? It certainly doesn't sound like Parmesan. Taking a look at the Florilegium and the cheese entries there, could Landi have been referring to a mascarpone? >>> Adamantius replied: <<< I would think it's something in a cohesive mass, but barely. Buffalo-milk mozzarella? >>> You know, I think you have something there. Reading about the history of water buffalo in Italy, there are theories that the animal was introduced to the mainland by the Norman Sicilians, where they had been introduced to the island by the Arabs. More about that at http://www.mozzarelladop.it/ Adelisa From: otsisto Date: July 2, 2011 4:55:08 AM CDT To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Sicilian Art Spanish/moorish influenced. For example http://tinyurl.com/6cfvc5x http://tinyurl.com/646tvgl -----Original Message----- I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before with regards to pPillar or column design elements. http://www.thejoyofshards.co.uk/visits/sicily/monreale/columns.shtml ~Melisende From: freckles_36 at HOTMAIL.COM Subject: [CALONTIR] More Sicilian Stuff Date: July 2, 2011 8:07:43 PM CDT To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu Inspiration for Valor XXXII! http://thetextileblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/sicilian-embroidery-of-12th-century.html http://www.fibre2fashion.com/industry-article/34/3369/medieval-sicilian-textiles1.asp http://www.qantara-med.org/qantara4/public/show_document.php?do_id=1160&lang=en ~Melisende Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:00:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Christiane To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org Subject: [Sca-cooks] Chocolate of Modica, chocolate of Alicante Having done some research into the history of Modica, Sicily, there are some indications that this extremely wealthy area - held by the counts of Henriquez-Cabrera, described as a "kingdom within a kingdom" ? had a very early knowledge/production of chocolate, in the manner of Alicante, Spain. The author Anthony DiRenzo writes in his book "Bitter Greens" that the Spanish planted cocoa trees in Sicily, to maximize profits, but admitted to me that he does not know when the first trees were planted. When it comes to the chocolate of Alicante, I think this book was mentioned on the list before, but I am wondering if anyone has read it and whether it is factually credible: Rafael Montal Montesa, "El chocolate: Las semillas de oro." Came out in 1999, published by the government of Aragon. The Wikipedia entry on chocolate cites this book when talking about a delegation from Japan in 1585, "visiting the Emperor Philip II in Alicante, was impressed by the offer of chocolate made by the nearby convent of the Poor Clares of Veronica." Has anyone read this book? Adelisa Edited by Mark S. Harris Sicily-msg Page 9 of 9