Moghul-India-msg - 11/6/08 ਀ഊThe culture and food of Moghul India. The Moghuls (or Mogols) were a dynasty that ruled Northern India from 1526 into the 18th Century. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: Mongols-msg, Scythians-msg, spices-msg, Islamic-bib, Islam-msg, silk-road-msg, turbans-msg, cotton-art, silk-msg, textiles-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:53:08 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀 愀琀 猀椀琀欀愀⸀攀渀最椀渀⸀甀洀椀挀栀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Moghul Food ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䌀爀愀椀最 䨀漀渀攀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Was talking with a wonderful chap in my Barony just now over dinner and he ਀㸀 攀砀瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 愀 搀攀猀椀爀攀 琀漀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 猀琀礀氀攀⸀ഊ> I vaguely remember someone mentioning a book that was recently published. ਀㸀 䄀渀礀漀渀攀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 眀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 焀甀愀氀椀琀礀⼀愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀椀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䐀爀愀欀攀礀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀ⴀⴀഊThe NI'Matnama Manuscript of the Sultans of Mandu: The Sultan's Book of Delights ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀洀愀稀漀渀⸀挀漀⸀甀欀⼀攀砀攀挀⼀漀戀椀搀漀猀⼀猀攀愀爀挀栀ⴀ栀愀渀搀氀攀ⴀ甀爀氀⼀椀渀搀攀砀㴀戀漀漀欀猀ⴀ ഊuk&field-author=Titley%2C%20Norah%20M./203-8301489-2310345> ਀戀礀 一漀爀愀栀 䴀 吀椀琀氀攀礀ഊhttp://www.routledge-ny.com/shopping_cart/products/product_detail.asp? ਀猀欀甀㴀☀椀猀戀渀㴀　㐀㄀㔀㌀㔀　㔀㤀堀☀瀀愀爀攀渀琀开椀搀㴀㄀　㈀☀瀀挀㴀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 瀀爀攀昀愀挀攀 琀栀椀猀 戀礀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 洀礀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀 挀愀洀攀 栀漀洀攀ഊlast December and dropped The Ni'matnama Manuscript of the Sultans of Mandu ਀戀礀 一漀爀愀栀 䴀⸀ 吀椀琀氀攀礀 椀渀琀漀 洀礀 氀愀瀀⸀ 䠀攀 爀攀瘀椀攀眀攀搀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 䌀刀䌀ഊand they sent him two books for free. So he picked up this ਀漀渀攀 昀漀爀 洀攀⸀ 一攀瘀攀爀 漀渀攀 琀漀 瀀愀猀猀 甀瀀 愀 昀爀攀攀戀椀攀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀昀 椀琀✀猀 猀甀戀琀椀琀氀攀搀ഊ"A late fifteenth-century book of recipes written for the Sultan of Mandu, the Ni'matnama." ਀䤀琀✀猀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀⸀ഊLots on oranges in it and sweets. It was a nice early holiday present. ਀䄀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 漀眀渀 椀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀瘀椀攀眀猀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀⸀ഊThere's some good stuff in it. ਀䤀猀 椀琀 眀漀爀琀栀 戀甀礀椀渀最㼀 夀攀猀 愀渀搀 渀漀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 瘀攀爀礀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊis very into that area ਀䤀✀搀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 猀愀礀 渀漀 漀渀 愀 瀀甀爀挀栀愀猀攀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 氀椀猀琀攀搀 愀琀 ␀㄀㈀㔀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀ഊin the USA. It's not turning up cheap on the used book market. ਀䤀✀搀 猀愀礀 琀爀礀 昀漀爀 椀渀琀攀爀氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 氀漀愀渀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀 挀漀瀀礀⸀ഊThe recipe section isn't that large. The plates take up most of the book. I'd say that most folks could do ok with the just a xeroxed recipe section, save the money on the purchase, and be quite happy. ਀ഊJohnnae ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 　㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀　㨀㌀㘀㨀㈀㄀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Katherine Throckmorton" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 䘀漀漀搀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊ Drakey wrote: ਀㸀 䤀 瘀愀最甀攀氀礀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀椀渀最 愀 戀漀漀欀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀⸀ഊ> Anyone remember what it was and the quality/authenticity of the recipes? ਀ഊYou are probably thinking of the Nimatanama of the Sultan of Madu, ਀琀栀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 漀昀 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 戀攀攀渀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀⸀  䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 爀攀氀椀愀戀氀攀  ഊsource for Moghul food is are the recipe-like things in the 'Ain-i- ਀䄀欀戀愀爀椀 眀栀椀挀栀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 栀攀爀攀㨀ഊhttp://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=00702051&ct=49 ਀ഊwhich provide us with a total of thirty dishes. The main limitation ਀椀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 愀爀攀 琀漀氀搀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀栀 椀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 最漀攀猀 椀渀琀漀 椀琀Ⰰ  ഊbut not how it is cooked. ਀ഊThere is also a further discussion of the fruits and other foods ਀愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 愀 氀椀猀琀 眀椀琀栀 瀀爀椀挀攀猀⸀ഊhttp://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=00702051&ct=0 ਀ഊ-Katherine/Asma ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 　㤀㨀㄀㘀㨀　㔀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: David Friedman ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 䘀漀漀搀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊI don't know about any recent books on Moghul cooking. The one source ਀䤀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 椀猀 琀栀攀 开䄀椀渀 椀 䄀欀戀愀爀椀开Ⰰ 愀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀ഊa very long time ago. It has a list of dishes, with ingredients, ਀焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ 䤀琀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀ഊdistilling arrack and making bread. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊDavid/Cariadoc ਀眀眀眀⸀搀愀瘀椀搀搀昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:58:37 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀氀愀椀渀攀 䬀漀漀最氀攀爀 㰀攀欀漀漀最氀攀爀㄀ 愀琀 挀漀洀挀愀猀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Moghul Food ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀挀焀甀椀爀攀搀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 昀漀漀搀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 眀栀椀氀攀ഊback..."The /Ni'matnama /Manuscript of the Sultans of ਀䴀愀渀搀甀∀⸀⸀⸀漀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 琀栀攀 匀甀氀琀愀渀✀猀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䐀攀氀椀最栀琀猀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀ഊfood, but does have a number of recipes in it. It also has paintings ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 洀猀⸀ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 愀洀漀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀猀⸀ഊI have thoroughly enjoyed it. ਀ഊKiri ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㠀㨀㄀㜀㨀㌀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Terry Decker" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 䘀漀漀搀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊ> Duriel said: ਀㸀㸀 一漀琀 ✀䴀漀渀最漀氀✀⸀⸀⸀✀䴀漀最栀甀氀✀⸀  倀攀爀猀椀愀⼀䄀昀最栀愀渀椀猀琀愀渀⼀䤀渀搀椀愀⸀  䰀漀琀猀 漀昀ഊ>> cookbooks from there. ਀㸀ഊ> When was this culture? Did it really cover Persia/Afghanistan, and I ਀㸀 愀猀猀甀洀攀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀猀 漀昀 渀漀爀琀栀眀攀猀琀攀爀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀㼀 圀栀愀琀 攀昀昀攀挀琀猀 搀椀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 甀瀀漀渀ഊ> medieval Europe? Other than sitting astride some trade routes, so ਀㸀 琀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 攀渀栀愀渀挀椀渀最 漀昀 椀渀栀椀戀椀琀椀渀最 琀爀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 匀琀攀昀愀渀ഊ ਀䴀漀最栀甀氀 ⠀漀爀 䴀漀最漀氀⤀ 椀猀 愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 搀礀渀愀猀琀礀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀氀攀搀 一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀ഊIndia from 1526 into the 18th Century. The dynasty continued its existence ਀椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㤀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀猀 愀 䈀爀椀琀椀猀栀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀氀攀搀 洀漀渀愀爀挀栀礀⸀  䈀愀戀甀爀 眀栀漀 昀漀甀渀搀攀搀ഊthe dynasty was a Persian of Mongol descent from Genghis Khan on his ਀洀漀琀栀攀爀✀猀 猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 吀愀洀攀爀氀愀渀攀 漀渀 栀椀猀 昀愀琀栀攀爀✀猀⸀  䠀攀 昀愀椀氀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀 琀漀ഊretake and hold the ancestral empire (Tamerlane's) based in Samakand losing ਀䄀昀最愀渀椀猀琀愀渀Ⰰ 唀稀戀攀欀椀猀琀愀渀 愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 爀攀愀氀 攀猀琀愀琀攀⸀  䠀攀 氀攀搀 栀椀猀ഊmen into Northern India. ਀ഊBabur had no particular effect on Europe as his conquests come after the ਀䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀猀 戀攀最愀渀 猀愀椀氀椀渀最 琀漀 䤀渀搀椀愀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀⸀  吀愀洀攀爀氀愀渀攀 眀愀猀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀ഊstory, first fighting a war and then controlling a large stretch of the Silk ਀刀漀愀搀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 昀愀氀氀 漀昀 䈀礀稀愀渀琀椀甀洀⸀  䄀戀漀甀琀 ㄀　　 礀攀愀爀猀 氀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 唀椀最栀甀爀猀 戀攀最愀渀ഊa continuous conflict with the Chinese effectively closed off the Chinese ਀攀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀椀氀欀 刀漀愀搀 愀渀搀 最椀瘀椀渀最 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 琀爀愀搀攀 昀氀攀攀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:17:08 +0200 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 嘀漀氀欀攀爀 䈀愀挀栀 㰀挀愀爀氀琀漀渀开戀愀挀栀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀搀攀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Moghul Food ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䄀洀 䐀漀渀渀攀爀猀琀愀最Ⰰ 㠀⸀ 䨀甀渀椀 ㈀　　㘀 　　㨀㈀㜀 猀挀栀爀椀攀戀 匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀㨀ഊ> When was this culture? Did it really cover Persia/Afghanistan, and I ਀㸀 愀猀猀甀洀攀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀猀 漀昀 渀漀爀琀栀眀攀猀琀攀爀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀㼀 圀栀愀琀 攀昀昀攀挀琀猀 搀椀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 甀瀀漀渀ഊ> medieval Europe? Other than sitting astride some trade routes, so ਀㸀 琀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 攀渀栀愀渀挀椀渀最 漀昀 椀渀栀椀戀椀琀椀渀最 琀爀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀㼀ഊ ਀䈀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䴀甀最栀愀氀 攀洀瀀漀攀爀漀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䤀渀搀椀愀ഊ'myth' of omnipotent tyrants living in untold luxury, dispensing largesse ਀眀椀琀栀 愀渀 漀瀀攀渀 栀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 椀渀搀甀氀最椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 攀瘀攀爀礀 眀栀椀洀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀猀 爀攀愀挀栀攀搀ഊIndia in larger numbers by sea, they were just in time to meet their empire ਀愀琀 椀琀猀 栀攀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 猀瀀攀挀琀愀挀氀攀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 焀甀椀琀攀ഊunderstand the political role of conspicuous consumption, but they certainly ਀眀攀爀攀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 䴀甀最栀愀氀猀 眀攀爀攀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 琀漀 琀爀愀搀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀礀 愀渀搀 氀愀爀最攀ഊdisinterested in matters maritime, so it was a match made in heaven. ਀ഊThe Mughals were also instrumental to integrating much of northern India into ਀琀栀攀 洀攀渀琀愀氀 猀瀀栀攀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀猀 椀琀猀攀氀昀 ✀䤀渀搀椀愀✀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀愀琀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀ഊget completed until the Raj, they created the role models for generations of ਀䤀渀搀椀愀渀 瀀爀椀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 氀愀爀最攀氀礀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 挀爀甀猀栀椀渀最 瀀漀氀椀琀椀挀愀氀ഊHinduism (leading some influential Hindus to cast their lot with the ਀䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 挀愀洀攀⤀Ⰰ 洀椀氀椀琀愀爀椀猀椀渀最 匀椀欀栀椀猀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀 洀漀搀甀猀ഊvivendi between the religions that to this day obtains in the parts of India ਀眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀爀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀䰀愀猀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 氀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 最愀瘀攀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 椀琀猀 眀漀爀搀 昀漀爀 挀栀攀愀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 攀⸀最⸀ 愀琀 最愀洀攀猀 漀昀ഊchance - 'mogeln' - derived from an Indian technique of cutting very thin ਀猀攀洀椀瀀爀攀挀椀漀甀猀 猀琀漀渀攀 猀氀椀挀攀猀 琀漀 挀爀攀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 氀愀爀最攀 最攀洀猀⸀ഊ ਀䜀椀愀渀漀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:05:11 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䬀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀 吀栀爀漀挀欀洀漀爀琀漀渀∀ 㰀欀琀栀爀漀挀欀洀漀爀琀漀渀 愀琀 氀礀挀漀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Moghul Food ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㸀 圀栀攀渀 眀愀猀 琀栀椀猀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀㼀ഊ ਀䐀攀瀀攀渀搀猀 漀渀 ⨀眀栀攀爀攀⨀ 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀⸀  䤀渀 䌀攀渀琀爀愀氀 䄀猀椀愀 ⠀洀漀搀攀爀渀  ഊUzbekistan and Tajikistan) Moghul culture, which is in many ways a ਀洀攀搀氀礀 漀昀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 ⠀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 愀琀 漀渀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀⤀ 愀渀搀  ഊMongol culture starts in the 14th century. If one is speaking about ਀琀栀攀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 䔀洀瀀椀爀攀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 猀琀愀爀琀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 愀昀琀攀爀 䈀愀戀甀爀  ഊconquers parts of what is now Afganistan, Pakistan and India. ਀唀猀甀愀氀氀礀 眀栀攀渀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 ∀琀栀攀 䴀漀最栀甀氀猀∀ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最  ഊabout the 16th century and later. ਀ഊ> Did it really cover Persia/Afghanistan, and I ਀㸀 愀猀猀甀洀攀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀猀 漀昀 渀漀爀琀栀眀攀猀琀攀爀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀㼀ഊ ਀䤀琀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀 倀攀爀猀椀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀爀琀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 栀愀搀 愀 猀琀爀漀渀最 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀  ഊinfluence. The precise boundaries of Mughal territory shifted around ਀愀 昀愀椀爀 愀洀漀甀渀琀Ⰰ 戀漀琀栀 搀甀爀椀渀最 愀渀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䄀 搀攀挀攀渀琀 猀甀洀洀愀爀礀  ഊof the territory involved is, Afganistan, and ever-increasing chunks ਀漀昀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 倀愀欀椀猀琀愀渀Ⰰ 䤀渀搀椀愀 愀渀搀 䈀愀渀最愀氀愀搀攀猀栀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 琀眀漀 洀愀瀀猀 洀愀礀 瀀爀漀瘀攀  ഊuseful. ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀椀渀搀椀愀ⴀ栀椀猀琀漀爀礀⸀挀漀洀⼀洀攀搀椀瘀愀氀ⴀ椀渀搀椀愀⼀洀甀最栀愀氀ⴀ攀洀瀀椀爀攀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.india-history.com/medival-india/mughal-empire.html ਀ഊ> What effects did they have upon ਀㸀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀㼀 伀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 猀椀琀琀椀渀最 愀猀琀爀椀搀攀 猀漀洀攀 琀爀愀搀攀 爀漀甀琀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀ഊ> therefor either enhancing of inhibiting trade from the East? ਀ഊMainly trade and trade goods, which is no little thing considering ਀琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀愀琀漀爀礀 瘀漀礀愀最攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀 愀渀搀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀  ഊwere aimed at finding a direct route to India. India was an ਀椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 氀椀渀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀 琀爀愀搀攀⸀  䤀渀搀椀愀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀  ഊgem and pearl trade, the Bay of Bengal was (and is) a important ਀猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀昀 瀀攀愀爀氀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀椀愀洀漀渀搀猀 挀愀洀攀  ഊfrom India. India was also a major supplier of cotton fabric. ਀䐀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀栀攀 䴀漀最栀甀氀猀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 瀀氀愀礀攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀  ഊtrade, they had competition from the Deccani Sultanates and the ਀嘀椀樀愀礀愀渀愀最愀爀愀 䔀洀瀀椀爀攀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀 洀愀渀愀最攀 琀漀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 椀琀⸀ഊA number of Europeans came to trade and to "convert the heathen", in ਀琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 猀甀戀猀琀愀渀琀椀愀氀 倀漀爀琀甀最攀猀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀挀攀 椀渀 䜀漀愀  ഊand environs. There were also several Europeans who took service in ਀䄀欀戀愀爀✀猀 挀漀甀爀琀 椀渀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀愀瀀愀挀椀琀椀琀攀猀⸀ഊFinally, there is the fact that the SCA actually does a much better ਀樀漀戀 漀昀 椀洀椀琀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀漀挀椀愀氀 猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 挀漀甀爀琀 琀栀愀渀 愀渀礀  ഊEuropean model ;) ਀ഊKatherine/Asma ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀　㨀　㐀㨀㔀㄀ ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Huette von Ahrens ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 䘀漀漀搀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊYour Grace! ਀ഊYou really need to purchase a copy of the Ni'matnama Manuscript. It is a 15th Century manuscript and even though it isn't as big as one would wish, it is a ਀吀爀攀愀猀甀爀攀 爀漀漀洀 漀昀 昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 琀漀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀栀椀瀀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 愀氀ⴀ䈀愀最栀搀愀搀椀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀猀猀 漀瘀攀爀 昀漀漀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 欀渀漀眀 眀攀 琀愀氀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 匀愀洀漀猀愀猀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 氀椀猀琀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀  ഊrecipes in this manuscript for them. ਀ഊYou would do well to purchase a copy. ਀ഊJust my 2 pfennig. ਀ഊHuette ਀ഊ--- David Friedman wrote: ਀㸀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀渀礀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最⸀ 吀栀攀 漀渀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀ഊ> I know of is the _Ain i Akbari_, a translation of which was published ਀㸀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 氀漀渀最 琀椀洀攀 愀最漀⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 愀 氀椀猀琀 漀昀 搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀Ⰰഊ> quantities, and no instructions. It also has instructions for ਀㸀 搀椀猀琀椀氀氀椀渀最 愀爀爀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 洀愀欀椀渀最 戀爀攀愀搀⸀ഊ> -- ਀㸀 䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ> www.daviddfriedman.com ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀㌀㨀㔀㜀㨀㔀㌀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 䘀漀漀搀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀ഊDuriel wrote: ਀㸀 一漀琀 ✀䴀漀渀最漀氀✀⸀⸀⸀✀䴀漀最栀甀氀✀⸀  倀攀爀猀椀愀⼀䄀昀最栀愀渀椀猀琀愀渀⼀䤀渀搀椀愀⸀  䰀漀琀猀 漀昀ഊ> cookbooks from there. ਀ഊThere are no SCA-period Afghan cookbooks that i know of, and only a ਀挀漀甀瀀氀攀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 漀渀攀猀⸀ 伀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 一椀✀洀愀琀渀愀洀愀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀猀 戀漀琀栀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀ഊand Indian qualities, i've heard rumors of a surviving Persian ਀挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀昀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 栀愀猀渀✀琀 戀攀攀渀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 愀渀礀ഊWestern European language to the best of my knowledge. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊUrtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM) ਀琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀 昀漀爀洀攀爀氀礀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 䄀渀愀栀椀琀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:29:40 -0700 (PDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 㰀琀漀洀⸀瘀椀渀挀攀渀琀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Moghul Food ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 猀椀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 猀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 爀攀氀攀瘀愀渀琀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀⸀ഊhttp://home.earthlink.net/~lilinah/links-ME-cuisine.html ਀ഊand another for Indian research ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀猀漀渀漀洀愀⸀攀搀甀⼀爀瀀搀挀⼀渀戀椀猀瀀⼀椀渀搀椀愀⼀椀爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀䐀甀爀椀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:07:31 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Moghul Food ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䐀甀爀椀攀氀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>> Not 'Mongol'...'Moghul'. Persia/Afghanistan/India. Lots of ਀㸀㸀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀搀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀攀搀㨀ഊ> There are no SCA-period Afghan cookbooks that i know of, and only a ਀㸀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 漀渀攀猀⸀ 伀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 一椀✀洀愀琀渀愀洀愀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀猀 戀漀琀栀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀ഊ> and Indian qualities, i've heard rumors of a surviving Persian ਀㸀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀昀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 栀愀猀渀✀琀 戀攀攀渀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 愀渀礀ഊ> Western European language to the best of my knowledge. ਀ഊDuriel then answered: ਀㸀 䠀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 猀椀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 猀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 爀攀氀攀瘀愀渀琀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀⸀ഊ> http://home.earthlink.net/~lilinah/links-ME-cuisine.html ਀ഊThere's actually very little relevant content on this page. ਀ഊThere are no links on this page (which happens to be mine :-) to ਀匀䌀䄀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 䄀昀最栀愀渀 漀爀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀氀攀瘀愀渀琀 氀椀渀欀 琀漀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 昀漀漀搀 椀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀ഊrecipes Duke Cariadoc worked out from the work Ain-i-Akbari, already ਀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 琀栀爀攀愀搀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 昀漀爀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀ഊ> http://www.sonoma.edu/rpdc/nbisp/india/iresources.html ਀ഊI don't [have] much of anything about pre-17th century Moghul cooking on ਀琀栀椀猀 瀀愀最攀⸀ഊ-- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊthe persona formerly known as Anahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 　㠀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㐀㨀㌀㤀㨀㔀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius" ਀ऀ㰀愀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀⸀洀愀最椀猀琀攀爀 愀琀 瘀攀爀椀稀漀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Moghul Food ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀伀渀 䨀甀渀 㠀Ⰰ ㈀　　㘀Ⰰ 愀琀 ㄀㨀　㜀 倀䴀Ⰰ 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> They would need to be scholars of food history from before 1601, and ਀㸀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 爀愀爀攀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 洀漀猀琀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀猀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 洀漀猀琀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀 愀渀搀ഊ> Europeans, don't know much about food from over 400 years ago. ਀㸀ഊ> It seems to me that you continue to suggest we look at modern ਀㸀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀氀攀瘀愀渀琀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀ഊ> SCA-period historical cooking. I've got plenty of Persian, Afghan, ਀㸀 愀渀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 洀礀 猀栀攀氀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀猀琀 愀爀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀ഊ> relevant to the topic. ਀ഊI was recently told about some controversy in my Kingdom in which a ਀䰀愀甀爀攀氀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀搀 昀漀爀 栀攀爀 眀漀爀欀 椀渀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 猀琀甀搀椀攀猀 愀渀渀漀甀渀挀攀搀 椀渀ഊconnection with some local cook's modern Middle Eastern cooking that ਀洀漀搀攀爀渀 䴀䔀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 椀猀 昀椀渀攀 昀漀爀 匀䌀䄀 甀猀攀 猀椀渀挀攀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 栀愀猀 渀漀琀ഊchanged materially for 1000 years, and her correspondents in modern ਀䤀爀愀渀 挀漀渀昀椀爀洀 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 最甀礀 眀栀漀 琀漀氀搀 洀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀ഊextensively studied the Persian culture in our period, but hasn't ਀搀漀渀攀 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 愀 猀琀甀搀礀 漀渀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀攀爀攀氀礀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 挀氀愀椀洀ഊwas utter sheepdip, without any hard evidence of same. ਀ഊI got out a modern Persian cookbook and showed him an approximate ਀瀀攀爀挀攀渀琀愀最攀 漀昀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 瀀爀漀洀椀渀攀渀琀氀礀 昀攀愀琀甀爀椀渀最 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀 琀栀攀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀猀ഊalmost certainly could not have had access to 1000 years ago. I ਀瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 戀攀 猀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀砀琀攀渀琀 琀漀 眀栀椀挀栀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最ഊmethods and styles had changed, but that the likelihood was that some ਀愀渀挀椀攀渀琀Ⰰ 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 栀愀搀 猀甀爀瘀椀瘀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 栀愀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀ഊchanged per the same cultural and social forces that caused available ਀昀漀漀搀猀琀甀昀昀猀 琀漀 挀栀愀渀最攀⸀ 䰀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀琀 䬀椀琀愀戀 愀氀ⴀ吀愀戀椀欀栀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀ഊcompletely identifiable with the Persian cookery of its time, but ਀眀栀椀挀栀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀ⴀ椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀搀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 眀攀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀ഊsignificant differences in techniques and styles. ਀ഊAdamantius ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㠀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㌀㨀㈀㈀㨀㐀㜀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䴀漀最栀甀氀 䘀漀漀搀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀ഊG. Tacitus Adamantius wrote: ਀㸀 䤀 眀愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 琀漀氀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 猀漀洀攀 挀漀渀琀爀漀瘀攀爀猀礀 椀渀 洀礀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀ഊ> Laurel recognized for her work in Persian studies announced in ਀㸀 挀漀渀渀攀挀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀 氀漀挀愀氀 挀漀漀欀✀猀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀ഊ> modern ME cooking is fine for SCA use since Persian cooking has not ਀㸀 挀栀愀渀最攀搀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀氀礀 昀漀爀 ㄀　　　 礀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀攀爀 挀漀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀攀渀琀猀 椀渀 洀漀搀攀爀渀ഊ> Iran confirm this. ਀ഊAargh! Aargh! Aargh! (sound of hair being torn out). ਀ഊI'm on quite a few Near and Middle Eastern oriented SCA e-lists. This ਀眀愀猀 琀栀攀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最 椀 栀攀愀爀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 最愀爀戀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀愀爀欀 愀最攀猀 眀栀攀渀 椀ഊjoined up (7 years ago :-) People complained that it was too ਀搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 愀渀搀 琀漀漀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 一攀愀爀⼀䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 最愀爀戀⸀ഊAnd besides, things hadn't changed (insert Carl Sagan voice) in ਀⨀琀栀漀甀猀愀渀搀猀⨀ 漀昀 礀攀愀爀猀 ⠀攀渀搀 䌀愀爀氀 匀愀最愀渀 瘀漀椀挀攀⤀⸀ഊ ਀⠀愀渀搀 椀 昀漀甀渀搀 栀椀猀 椀渀琀漀渀愀琀椀漀渀 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 愀渀渀漀礀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀 椀 眀愀猀 椀渀 氀愀戀漀爀ഊin the maternity ward and he was on TV. I switched to the World ਀匀攀爀椀攀猀⸀ 䴀甀挀栀 戀攀琀琀攀爀⤀ഊ ਀㸀 吀栀攀 最甀礀 眀栀漀 琀漀氀搀 洀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀ഊ> extensively studied the Persian culture in our period, but hasn't ਀㸀 搀漀渀攀 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 愀 猀琀甀搀礀 漀渀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀攀爀攀氀礀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 挀氀愀椀洀ഊ> was utter sheepdip, without any hard evidence of same. ਀ഊWow! Someone else who says "sheepdip" instead of a shorter word! ਀ഊWell, this guy is absolutely correct. Yeah, yeah, i don't know of an ਀匀䌀䄀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 ∀瀀攀爀椀漀搀∀ 䄀渀搀愀氀甀猀椀ⰀഊEgyptian, 'Abbasid, and Ottoman cookbooks and comparing the cuisine ਀琀漀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀 猀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 猀椀最渀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀⸀ഊHow'd this female get a Laurel?!? (don't answer. I know, i'm not ਀搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 ∀瀀攀攀爀 氀椀欀攀 焀甀愀氀椀琀椀攀猀∀⤀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 最漀琀 漀甀琀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀 愀渀搀 猀栀漀眀攀搀 栀椀洀 愀渀 愀瀀瀀爀漀砀椀洀愀琀攀ഊ> percentage of dishes prominently featuring ingredients the Persians ਀㸀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 栀愀搀 愀挀挀攀猀猀 琀漀 ㄀　　　 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⸀ 䤀ഊ> pointed out that I couldn't be sure of the extent to which cooking ਀㸀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 愀渀搀 猀琀礀氀攀猀 栀愀搀 挀栀愀渀最攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 氀椀欀攀氀椀栀漀漀搀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀洀攀ഊ> ancient, traditional methods had survived, and some had probably ਀㸀 挀栀愀渀最攀搀 瀀攀爀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀 愀渀搀 猀漀挀椀愀氀 昀漀爀挀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀甀猀攀搀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀ഊ> foodstuffs to change. Looking at Kitab al-Tabikh, which may not be ਀㸀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀椀愀戀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀攀爀礀 漀昀 椀琀猀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊ> which appears to be Persian-influenced, at least, we find some pretty ਀㸀 猀椀最渀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 椀渀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀琀礀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀伀栀Ⰰ 礀攀愀栀⸀ 匀漀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 栀愀瘀攀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀搀 渀愀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀ഊsupposedly based on Persian recipes. This is also true of that ਀栀愀渀搀昀甀氀 漀昀 ㄀㔀琀栀 䌀⸀ 伀琀琀漀洀愀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 ⴀ 氀漀琀猀 漀昀ഊPersian influence. ਀ഊRelated, but tangential... when Ibn Battuta visited with Turkic ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 攀猀挀栀攀眀攀搀 猀眀攀攀琀 搀椀猀栀攀猀⸀ 䈀礀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀ഊcentury, with the rise to power of the Ottomans, the Turks in ਀䤀猀琀愀渀戀甀氀 栀愀搀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 愀渀 攀渀漀爀洀漀甀猀 猀眀攀攀琀 琀漀漀琀栀⸀ 䄀渀搀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 椀渀 氀攀猀猀ഊthan 200 years! ਀ഊAccording to Yerasimos who translated those 15th c. Ottoman recipes, ਀琀栀攀 伀琀琀漀洀愀渀猀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 愀搀漀瀀琀 琀漀洀愀琀漀攀猀 愀渀搀 戀攀氀氀 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀琀栀ഊcentury, and yet they are such an integral part of modern Turkish ਀挀甀椀猀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀 栀漀眀 挀漀甀氀搀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 挀甀椀猀椀渀攀 猀琀愀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 ㈀㄀猀琀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰഊespecially when there were in the midst of so many trade routes and ਀愀渀搀 猀漀 洀愀渀礀 眀愀爀猀㼀ഊ----- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊthe persona formerly known as Anahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀㄀㨀㐀㈀㨀㐀㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: ranvaig at columbus.rr.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀愀欀椀猀琀愀渀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊThe Nimatnama Manuscript Of The Sultans Of Mandu Book By Norah M ਀吀椀琀氀攀礀 䤀匀䈀一 　㐀㄀㔀㌀㔀　㔀㤀堀⸀ഊ ਀   䤀琀✀猀 愀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 椀琀 栀愀猀 愀 昀愀挀椀洀愀氀礀 漀昀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 椀渀 䈀☀圀 愀琀 琀栀攀ഊback (reading from the back like the original), many wonderful ਀椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀猀 椀渀 挀漀氀漀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀ഊsection is around 100 pages, and It costs over $100, so you might ਀眀愀渀琀 琀漀 䤀䰀䰀 椀琀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 䤀 搀椀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 愀眀愀爀攀 漀昀 愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 匀䌀䄀 䤀渀搀椀愀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀 愀琀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀⼀最爀漀甀瀀⼀ ഊSCA_India/ ਀ഊRanvaig ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㘀 　㈀㨀㄀　㨀㄀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Katherine Throckmorton" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀愀欀椀猀琀愀渀ഊTo: hlaislinn at earthlink.net, "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ऀ㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䄀椀猀氀椀渀渀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Are there any medieval manuscripts for her area [India and Pakistan] of the ਀㸀 眀漀爀氀搀 䤀 挀愀渀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀 栀攀爀 琀漀㼀ഊ ਀伀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 开一椀洀椀琀愀渀愀洀愀开 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 䤀✀洀 愀眀愀爀攀 漀昀Ⰰ 愀爀攀 琀栀攀  ഊrecipie-like things in the 'Ain-i-Akbari. I call them recipie like ਀琀栀椀渀最猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 挀漀洀瀀椀氀攀搀 戀礀 愀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀漀欀 愀渀搀 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀礀  ഊgive a complete list of ingredients it dosen't tell you how to cook ਀琀栀攀 搀椀猀栀⸀  夀漀甀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 挀愀渀 瀀爀漀戀漀戀氀礀 洀愀欀攀 猀漀洀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 最漀漀搀 最甀攀猀猀攀猀  ഊabout how to put the ingredients together. ਀吀栀攀 ✀䄀椀渀ⴀ椀ⴀ䄀欀戀愀爀椀 椀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀攀戀 栀攀爀攀㨀ഊhttp://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=00702051&ct=0 ਀✀䄀椀渀猀 ㈀㌀ⴀ㈀㤀 爀攀氀愀琀攀 琀漀 昀漀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䬀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:43:01 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䬀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀 吀栀爀漀挀欀洀漀爀琀漀渀∀ 㰀欀琀栀爀漀挀欀洀漀爀琀漀渀 愀琀 氀礀挀漀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Pakistan ਀吀漀㨀 栀氀愀椀猀氀椀渀渀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀Ⰰऀ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ഊ ਀ഊAislinn wrote: ਀㸀 吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 愀 昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀⸀ഊ ਀夀漀甀 愀爀攀 洀漀猀琀 眀攀氀挀漀洀攀℀  䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 攀渀樀漀礀 椀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀爀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀渀最氀礀  ഊvague in places but it is still a wonderful resource. I mean, where ਀攀氀猀攀 挀愀渀 礀漀甀 昀椀渀搀 漀甀琀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 愀渀渀甀愀氀 猀愀氀愀爀礀 漀昀 愀渀 愀猀猀椀猀琀愀渀琀 挀栀攀攀琀愀栀  ഊkeeper was in 16th century Delhi? :) ਀ഊOne thing that really excites/annoys me is that there origionally the ਀✀䄀椀渀ⴀ椀ⴀ䄀欀戀愀爀椀 眀愀猀 ⨀椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀攀搀⨀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 渀漀 昀愀挀猀椀洀椀氀攀  ഊcopy has been published or is in the works. I've seen a few plates ਀爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䬀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:56:46 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Partial Mughal Cookbook ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䄀琀 ㄀㄀㨀　㌀ 䄀䴀 ⴀ　㔀　　 ㈀㌀⼀　㘀⼀　㘀Ⰰ 漀渀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 氀椀猀琀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀 最椀爀氀ഊnamed Sue wrote: ਀㸀 䠀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 戀漀漀欀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 昀漀爀 猀愀氀攀 戀甀琀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 戀漀甀最栀琀 礀攀琀 ⴀഊ> "Nuskha-e-Shahjahani : Pulaos from the Royal Kitchen of Shah Jahan" ਀㸀 戀礀 匀愀氀洀愀 䠀甀猀愀椀渀⸀  匀栀愀栀 䨀愀栀愀渀 爀甀氀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㘀㈀㠀 ⴀ ㄀㘀㔀㠀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀琀 椀猀 漀甀琀ഊ> of period slightly. I think most copies are in India or Britain which ਀㸀 洀攀愀渀猀 栀椀最栀 猀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 挀漀猀琀猀⸀  䈀甀琀 椀琀 猀漀甀渀搀猀 瘀攀爀礀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䤀 昀椀渀愀氀氀礀 眀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 漀爀搀攀爀攀搀 椀琀 漀渀 ㄀㄀ 䨀甀氀礀 愀渀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀 猀栀椀瀀瀀攀搀 漀渀 ㄀㈀ഊJuly. It took less time to get here than i ਀琀栀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 栀攀爀攀 昀爀漀洀 䤀渀搀椀愀 ⴀ 椀琀 樀甀猀琀 愀爀爀椀瘀攀搀 琀漀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀 猀愀礀猀 猀栀攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 椀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀ഊit was written. She also says that the recipes in this book are ਀洀攀爀攀氀礀 愀 猀攀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 愀 氀愀爀最攀爀 戀漀漀欀 ⠀搀愀爀渀Ⰰ 椀 眀愀渀琀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 琀栀椀渀最ഊ:-) ਀ഊAs published, every recipe is set up in two columns. There is a list ਀漀昀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀 漀渀 漀渀攀 猀椀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀愀最攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀ഊand orderly cooking instructions on the other. The author mentions ਀琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 最椀瘀攀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 搀攀琀愀椀氀攀搀⸀ഊThe quantities are given in period measurements, but the directions ਀猀攀攀洀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 洀漀搀攀爀渀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 椀琀✀猀 漀渀氀礀 愀 昀攀眀 漀昀 栀攀爀 眀漀爀搀ഊchoices that make it seem modern (like "saute" and "par-boil"). So i ਀挀愀渀✀琀 琀攀氀氀 椀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀猀 漀爀 洀攀爀攀氀礀 ∀椀渀猀瀀椀爀攀搀ഊby" her translation of them. ਀ഊSigh. So hard to tell... I guess i'll assume that they are accurate ਀愀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀✀猀 挀栀漀椀挀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最 眀漀爀搀猀 栀攀爀攀ഊand there that is giving me doubts. ਀ഊThe recipes do look tasty. And even if the author modernized them a ਀氀椀琀琀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 挀氀漀猀攀爀 琀漀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀栀愀渀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 䴀甀最栀愀氀ഊor Persian cookbook. ਀ഊI just wish i had ALL the recipes from the old cookbook! ਀ⴀⴀⴀഊUrtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM) ਀琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀 昀漀爀洀攀爀氀礀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 䄀渀愀栀椀琀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:01:49 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Partial Mughal Cookbook ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䠀攀礀℀ 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀 爀攀瘀椀攀眀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 戀漀漀欀 椀 樀甀猀琀 最漀琀㨀ഊNuskha-e-Shahjahani: Pulaos from the Royal Kitchen of Shah Jahan ਀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 匀愀氀洀愀 䠀甀猀愀椀渀⸀ഊRupa & Co., New Delhi. ਀倀愀最攀猀 㜀㄀⸀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀琀爀椀戀甀渀攀椀渀搀椀愀⸀挀漀洀⼀㈀　　㐀⼀㈀　　㐀　㘀㈀　⼀猀瀀攀挀琀爀甀洀⼀戀漀漀欀㔀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀瘀椀攀眀攀爀 挀漀洀瀀氀愀椀渀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 漀搀搀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀欀攀琀挀栀礀ഊinstructions. I guess i'm just so used to looking at period recipes ਀琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 琀漀 洀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀搀 椀 最甀攀猀猀 琀栀攀猀攀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 氀漀漀欀 ∀瀀攀爀椀漀搀∀ 琀漀 琀栀攀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 挀漀漀欀 㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ-- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊthe persona formerly known as Anahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 一漀瘀 ㈀　　㘀 　㤀㨀㔀㌀㨀㈀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Elaine Koogler" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䠀椀渀搀甀 刀攀挀椀瀀攀㼀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊA sweet that I ran across researching recipes for my ME feast, though ਀䴀甀最栀愀氀Ⰰ 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 䤀渀搀椀愀 ⠀愀渀搀 䤀䤀刀䌀⤀ 椀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀⸀⸀搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀ഊhere at work. I haven't tried it yet, but it sounds yummy...dried apricots ਀猀琀甀昀昀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 洀愀爀稀椀瀀愀渀⸀  嘀攀爀礀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 瘀攀最攀琀愀爀椀愀渀⸀ഊAlso, there is a vegetarian version of samosas (also period, by the bye) ਀琀栀愀琀✀猀 瘀攀爀礀 琀愀猀琀礀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀椀挀愀琀攀搀 琀漀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊuse the ready-made pie dough (Pillbury makes a very good one). It is a ਀猀愀瘀漀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀漀猀琀 昀漀氀欀猀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 渀漀琀 愀琀 愀氀氀 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀漀甀猀Ⰰ 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 氀椀欀攀 椀琀⸀ഊI don't have the recipe here, but you could "google" samosas and find one ਀漀渀氀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀ഊ ਀伀渀 ㄀㄀⼀㄀㔀⼀　㘀Ⰰ 䌀䰀搀礀爀漀稀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 㰀䌀䰀搀礀爀漀稀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀 圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 猀琀愀爀琀 琀栀攀 䠀漀氀椀搀愀礀 伀昀昀椀挀攀 倀愀爀琀椀攀猀⸀ഊ> My office is doing their Thanksgiving get-together next Tuesday. ਀㸀 圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 渀攀眀 最甀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀昀昀椀挀攀 眀栀漀 椀猀 漀昀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 攀砀琀爀愀挀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀  ഊ> Hindu by faith. ਀㸀 吀栀愀琀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 椀猀 愀 猀琀爀椀挀琀 瘀攀最攀琀愀爀椀愀渀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> does anyone know of a dish or ਀㸀 愀 猀漀甀爀挀攀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 愀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 攀愀猀礀 䠀椀渀搀甀⼀䤀渀搀椀愀渀 搀椀猀栀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀ഊ> work for an ethnically mixed office? Possibly a sweet? (that would go ਀㸀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀 挀爀漀眀搀 琀栀攀渀 愀 挀甀爀爀礀⤀ഊ> ਀㸀 䠀攀氀攀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:27:02 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䔀氀愀椀渀攀 䬀漀漀最氀攀爀∀ 㰀欀椀爀椀搀漀渀漀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Stuffed apricots? ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀 挀氀愀椀洀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 昀漀爀 椀琀⸀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀 戀漀漀欀氀攀琀ഊon a Mughal feast published by the Madrone Cooks' Guild...I'd have to check, ਀戀甀琀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 猀愀眀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀ഊ ਀伀渀 ㄀㄀⼀㄀㘀⼀　㘀Ⰰ 䜀攀漀爀最椀愀 䘀漀猀琀攀爀 㰀樀漀开昀漀猀琀攀爀㠀㄀ 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Marzipan stuffed apricots would be JUST THE THING for our office Goodies ਀㸀 搀愀礀⸀  䔀愀猀礀Ⰰ 攀氀攀最愀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 琀漀漀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀⸀  䴀愀礀 最攀琀 愀 戀漀砀 漀昀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊ> stick a clove in the top of each to dress it up even more. ਀ഊ> Malkin ਀㸀 伀琀栀攀爀栀椀氀氀ഊ> Artemisia ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㜀 　　㨀㐀㘀㨀㔀㄀ ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Huette von Ahrens ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀㼀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ--- ranvaig at columbus.rr.com wrote: ਀ഊ>>> I'm camping with Little India, who are doing their Biyari, period ਀㸀㸀㸀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 漀渀 吀甀攀猀 渀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀 䐀漀 礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 愀爀攀㼀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀 愀爀攀 愀 戀椀琀ഊ>> scarce, although there are, of course, food references in the ਀㸀㸀 氀椀琀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀猀欀攀搀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 猀漀洀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 一椀洀愀琀渀愀洀愀⸀   匀漀洀攀漀渀攀  ഊ> else is doing some research ਀㸀 琀漀漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 猀栀攀 椀猀 甀猀椀渀最⸀  䤀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 挀漀漀欀  ഊ> three years ago, I saw a copy of ਀㸀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 眀栀攀渀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 挀漀瀀礀  ഊ> for myself. The food was very ਀㸀 最漀漀搀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀  ഊ> the source they were. If you ਀㸀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 䤀✀氀氀 猀栀愀爀攀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀礀 眀栀漀 椀猀 挀栀愀爀最攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 刀愀渀瘀愀椀最ഊ ਀䠀椀 刀愀渀瘀愀椀最℀ഊ ਀䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 䠀椀猀 䜀爀愀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀椀最 琀栀椀渀最猀 琀漀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀瀀猀椀挀甀洀 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀猀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 愀爀爀椀瘀攀 椀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀 甀渀琀椀氀 樀甀猀琀 愀昀琀攀爀 ㄀㘀　　⸀  匀漀 愀渀礀 挀甀爀爀礀 礀漀甀 洀愀欀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 氀漀渀最 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 渀愀琀椀瘀攀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 眀椀琀栀 挀愀瀀猀椀挀甀洀 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 栀愀搀 猀甀挀挀攀猀猀 眀椀琀栀㨀ഊ ਀䰀愀洀戀 匀愀洀漀猀愀猀ഊ ਀㸀 䘀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 匀甀氀琀愀渀✀猀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䐀攀氀椀最栀琀猀 ⠀氀愀琀攀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⤀ഊ ਀䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 䜀栀椀礀愀琀栀 匀栀愀栀椀✀猀 猀愀洀漀猀愀猀㨀 琀愀欀攀 昀椀渀攀氀礀 洀椀渀挀攀搀 搀攀攀爀 洀攀愀琀  ഊand flavour ghee with ਀昀攀渀甀最爀攀攀欀 愀渀搀Ⰰ 栀愀瘀椀渀最 洀椀砀攀搀 琀栀攀 洀椀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 猀愀昀昀爀漀渀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 椀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀  ഊghee. Roast salt and cumin ਀琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀⸀  䠀愀瘀椀渀最 愀搀搀攀搀 挀甀洀椀渀Ⰰ 挀氀漀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 挀漀爀椀愀渀搀攀爀 愀渀搀 愀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀 漀昀 愀  ഊratti of musk to the mince, ਀挀漀漀欀 椀琀 眀攀氀氀⸀  倀甀琀 栀愀氀昀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀椀渀挀攀搀 漀渀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 愀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀  ഊminced dry ginger into the ਀洀攀愀琀⸀  圀栀攀渀 椀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 眀攀氀氀ⴀ挀漀漀欀攀搀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 椀渀 爀漀猀攀眀愀琀攀爀⸀  吀愀欀攀 椀琀 漀昀昀  ഊand stuff the samosas. ਀䴀愀欀攀 愀 栀漀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀漀猀愀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀琀椀挀欀 愀渀搀 昀爀礀 椀琀 椀渀 猀眀攀攀琀ⴀ猀洀攀氀氀椀渀最  ഊghee and serve it (when) ਀琀攀渀搀攀爀⸀  䈀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 漀昀 愀渀礀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 洀攀愀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 搀攀猀椀爀攀搀Ⰰ 挀愀渀  ഊbe made. ਀ഊIngredients: ਀ഊFilling: ਀ഊ1 lbs ground lamb ਀㄀ 琀戀猀瀀 最栀攀攀 漀爀 挀氀愀爀椀昀椀攀搀 戀甀琀琀攀爀ഊ1 tsp ground fenugreek ਀㄀⼀㐀 琀猀瀀 猀愀昀昀爀漀渀ഊ1 tsp salt ਀㄀ 琀猀瀀 挀甀洀椀渀ഊ1 tsp cloves ਀㄀ 琀猀瀀 挀漀爀椀愀渀搀攀爀ഊ1 large sweet onion, minced [1 cup approx.] ਀㄀⼀㐀 挀甀瀀 洀椀渀挀攀搀 昀爀攀猀栀 最椀渀最攀爀ഊ1 tbsp rose water ਀ഊPut ghee in a large frying pan and add fenugreek and saffron, ਀猀琀椀爀爀椀渀最 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀⸀  䄀搀搀ഊlamb and start to brown. Add salt, cumin, cloves, coriander onion and ਀最椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 猀琀椀爀爀椀渀最 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀ഊmeat is brown and fragrant. Add rose water and remove from heat. ਀ഊPastry: ਀ഊIngredients: ਀ഊ2 cups unbleached flour ਀㌀⼀㐀 琀猀瀀 猀愀氀琀ഊ1 1/2 tbsp ghee or clarified butter ਀㄀⼀㈀ 琀漀 ㌀⼀㐀 挀甀瀀 眀愀琀攀爀ഊ ਀匀椀昀琀 昀氀漀甀爀 愀渀搀 猀愀氀琀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀⸀ 䴀愀欀攀 愀 眀攀氀氀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀  ഊmixture and quickly pour in ghee ਀愀渀搀 眀愀琀攀爀⸀ 匀琀椀爀 戀爀椀猀欀氀礀 甀渀琀椀氀 挀漀洀戀椀渀攀搀Ⰰ 最爀愀搀甀愀氀氀礀 愀搀搀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 眀愀琀攀爀  ഊif necessary. You should aim ਀昀漀爀 愀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 洀漀椀猀琀 搀漀甀最栀 琀栀愀琀 猀琀椀挀欀猀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀⸀ 伀渀 愀 氀椀最栀琀氀礀 昀氀漀甀爀攀搀  ഊsurface, knead dough for 10 ਀洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 猀洀漀漀琀栀 愀渀搀 攀氀愀猀琀椀挀Ⰰ 挀漀瘀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 搀愀洀瀀 琀漀眀攀氀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀猀攀洀戀氀礀㨀ഊ ਀吀漀 愀猀猀攀洀戀氀攀 猀愀洀漀猀愀Ⰰ 戀爀攀愀欀 漀昀昀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 搀漀甀最栀 ⠀氀攀愀瘀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀✀猀 氀攀昀琀  ഊunder the towel) and shape into ਀戀愀氀氀猀⸀ 刀漀氀氀 攀愀挀栀 戀愀氀氀 椀渀琀漀 愀 挀椀爀挀氀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀⼀㄀　 漀昀 愀渀 椀渀挀栀 琀栀椀挀欀 愀渀搀 㔀  ഊinches across. Cut the ਀挀椀爀挀氀攀 椀渀 栀愀氀昀⸀ 䤀渀 漀渀攀 猀椀搀攀 瀀甀琀 昀椀氀氀椀渀最Ⰰ 昀漀氀搀 栀愀氀昀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀愀氀昀 挀椀爀挀氀攀  ഊover to make a triangle. ਀匀攀愀氀 戀礀 戀爀甀猀栀椀渀最 愀 戀椀琀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 攀搀最攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀椀渀挀栀椀渀最 椀琀  ഊtogether with your finger. Heat 2 ਀椀渀挀栀攀猀 最栀攀攀 椀渀 愀 猀欀椀氀氀攀琀 漀爀 瀀愀渀 琀漀 ㌀㜀㔀 搀攀最爀攀攀猀⸀ 倀甀琀 椀渀 猀愀洀漀猀愀猀 愀渀搀  ഊlet it fry to a golden brown on ਀攀愀挀栀 猀椀搀攀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 搀爀愀椀渀 漀渀 挀氀漀琀栀 漀爀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 琀漀眀攀氀 愀渀搀 攀愀琀⸀ഊ ਀一漀琀攀㨀  䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀洀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 爀漀愀猀琀椀渀最 挀甀洀椀渀 愀渀搀 猀愀氀琀  ഊtogether. But I added both to the ਀昀椀氀氀椀渀最⸀  䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 洀甀猀欀 琀漀 愀搀搀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 愀渀  ഊadequate substitute, so I left it ਀漀甀琀⸀  䤀 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀搀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀爀礀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀  ഊoriginal was so vague. ਀ഊHuette ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㜀 　　㨀　㄀㨀㐀　 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: David Friedman ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀㼀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ>>> I'm camping with Little India, who are doing their Biyari, period ਀㸀㸀㸀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 漀渀 吀甀攀猀 渀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀 䐀漀 礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 愀爀攀㼀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀 愀爀攀 愀 戀椀琀ഊ>> scarce, although there are, of course, food references in the ਀㸀㸀 氀椀琀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀猀欀攀搀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 猀漀洀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 一椀洀愀琀渀愀洀愀⸀   匀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊ> else is doing some research too, and I don't know what sources she ਀㸀 椀猀 甀猀椀渀最⸀  䤀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 挀漀漀欀 琀栀爀攀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 䤀 猀愀眀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ> recipes when we were cooking, but was not able to get a copy for ਀㸀 洀礀猀攀氀昀⸀  吀栀攀 昀漀漀搀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 最漀漀搀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀ഊ> don't know how close to the source they were. If you have any ਀㸀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 䤀✀氀氀 猀栀愀爀攀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀礀 眀栀漀 椀猀 挀栀愀爀最攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 漀渀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 椀猀 琀栀攀 开䄀欀戀愀爀渀愀洀愀开⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀 氀椀猀琀猀ഊfor, I think, thirty dishes--quantities but no instructions, the ਀漀瀀瀀漀猀椀琀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 甀猀甀愀氀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀⸀ 䤀琀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀ഊmaking bread and for distilling arrack. ਀ഊIf they have other primary sources, it would be worth posting ਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 栀攀爀攀⸀ 䄀琀 漀渀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 䤀 眀愀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀椀氀ഊof one but I never managed to locate it, and it was a long time ago. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊDavid/Cariadoc ਀眀眀眀⸀搀愀瘀椀搀搀昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀 瘀漀渀 䄀栀爀攀渀猀 㰀愀栀爀攀渀猀栀愀瘀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Indian dinner at Pennsic? ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䠀椀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀㼀ഊ ਀䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 渀漀琀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 一椀洀愀琀渀愀洀愀㼀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀ⴀ爀攀愀搀 礀漀甀爀 瀀漀猀琀 栀攀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 琀攀氀氀 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 ㄀㔀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䴀甀最栀愀氀  ഊfrom the sultanate of Mandu. If you don't have it, it is well worth the price and has just been published in the last two years. Here is the LC record for it: ਀ഊThe Niʻmatnāma manuscript of the sultans of Mandu : the ਀匀甀氀琀愀渀㼀猀 戀漀漀欀 漀昀 搀攀氀椀最栀琀猀 ⼀ഊtranslated by Norah M. Titley. London ; New York : RoutledgeCurzon, 2005. ਀砀砀Ⰰ ㄀㈀㄀ 瀀⸀Ⰰ 嬀㔀㄀㘀崀 瀀⸀ 漀昀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 㨀 椀氀氀⸀ ⠀猀漀洀攀 挀漀氀⸀⤀ 㬀 ㈀㔀 挀洀⸀ഊISBN: 041535059X (cloth) ਀  一椀☀⌀㘀㤀㤀㬀洀愀琀渀愀☀⌀㜀㜀㈀㬀洀愀栀ⴀ礀椀 一愀☀⌀㜀㜀㈀㬀猀☀⌀㠀　㌀㬀椀爀甀搀搀椀☀⌀㜀㜀㈀㬀渀  ഊShāhī--Illustrations. ਀  䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀ⴀⴀ䤀渀搀椀愀ⴀⴀ䴀愀☀⌀㜀㜀㈀㬀渀搀甀ⴀⴀ䔀愀爀氀礀 眀漀爀欀猀 琀漀 ㄀㠀　　⸀ഊ Sultans in art--Early works to 1800. ਀  䴀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀猀Ⰰ 唀爀搀甀ⴀⴀ䤀渀搀椀愀ⴀⴀ䴀愀☀⌀㜀㜀㈀㬀渀搀甀ⴀⴀ䘀愀挀猀椀洀椀氀攀猀⸀ഊ Illumination of books and manuscripts, Indic--India--Māndu-- ਀䔀愀爀氀礀 眀漀爀欀猀 琀漀 ㄀㠀　　⸀ഊ Māndu (India)--Court and courtiers--Food--Early works to 1800. ਀ഊThank you for mentioning the Akbarnama. I have found a 3 vol. copy ਀椀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 昀漀爀 ␀㐀㔀 ⬀ 琀栀攀 挀漀猀琀ഊof shipping from India. It would be interesting to compare the Akbar ਀氀椀猀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 一椀✀洀愀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀渀礀 挀爀漀猀猀ⴀ漀瘀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ ਀ഊ--- David Friedman wrote: ਀ഊ>>>> I'm camping with Little India, who are doing their Biyari, period ਀㸀㸀㸀㸀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 漀渀 吀甀攀猀 渀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ>>> ਀㸀㸀㸀 䐀漀 礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 愀爀攀㼀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀 愀爀攀 愀 戀椀琀ഊ>>> scarce, although there are, of course, food references in the ਀㸀㸀㸀 氀椀琀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀⸀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀猀欀攀搀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 猀漀洀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 一椀洀愀琀渀愀洀愀⸀   匀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊ>> else is doing some research too, and I don't know what sources she ਀㸀㸀 椀猀 甀猀椀渀最⸀  䤀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 挀漀漀欀 琀栀爀攀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 䤀 猀愀眀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ>> recipes when we were cooking, but was not able to get a copy for ਀㸀㸀 洀礀猀攀氀昀⸀  吀栀攀 昀漀漀搀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 最漀漀搀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀ഊ>> don't know how close to the source they were. If you have any ਀㸀㸀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 䤀✀氀氀 猀栀愀爀攀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀礀 眀栀漀 椀猀 挀栀愀爀最攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 吀栀攀 漀渀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 椀猀 琀栀攀 开䄀欀戀愀爀渀愀洀愀开⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀 氀椀猀琀猀ഊ> for, I think, thirty dishes--quantities but no instructions, the ਀㸀 漀瀀瀀漀猀椀琀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 甀猀甀愀氀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀⸀ 䤀琀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀ഊ> making bread and for distilling arrack. ਀㸀ഊ> If they have other primary sources, it would be worth posting ਀㸀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 栀攀爀攀⸀ 䄀琀 漀渀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 䤀 眀愀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀椀氀ഊ> of one but I never managed to locate it, and it was a long time ago. ਀㸀 ⴀⴀ ഊ> David/Cariadoc ਀㸀 眀眀眀⸀搀愀瘀椀搀搀昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:20:27 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀 㰀爀挀洀愀渀渀㐀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Indian dinner at Pennsic? ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀 瘀漀渀 䄀栀爀攀渀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Thank you for mentioning the Akbarnama. I have found a 3 vol. copy ਀㸀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 昀漀爀 ␀㐀㔀 ⬀ 琀栀攀 挀漀猀琀ഊ> of shipping from India. It would be interesting to compare the ਀㸀 䄀欀戀愀爀 氀椀猀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 一椀✀洀愀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀渀礀 挀爀漀猀猀ⴀ漀瘀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀䈀攀昀漀爀攀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 挀愀爀搀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 琀栀攀 眀攀戀戀攀搀ഊversion here: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀瀀攀爀猀椀愀渀⸀瀀愀挀欀栀甀洀⸀漀爀最⼀瀀攀爀猀椀愀渀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀樀猀瀀㼀猀攀爀瘀㴀瀀昀☀昀椀氀攀㴀　　㜀　㈀　㔀㄀☀挀琀㴀㐀㤀ഊ-- ਀䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀ഊBarony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㜀 　　㨀　㌀㨀　㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: ranvaig at columbus.rr.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀㼀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ>> Hi Cariadoc? ਀㸀㸀ഊ>> Are you not familiar with the Nimatnama? ਀㸀ഊ> Haven't seen it. Sounds interesting. How much of ਀㸀 愀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀 椀猀 椀琀ⴀⴀ椀渀 琀攀爀洀猀 漀昀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀ഊ> and information? ਀㸀ഊ> On Amazon it's very expensive. I'll have to check ਀㸀 椀昀 洀礀 猀挀栀漀漀氀✀猀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 栀愀猀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀　　 瀀愀最攀猀 漀昀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 搀爀椀渀欀Ⰰ  ഊperfume and medicine. There are quite a few redundancies, and some ਀漀洀椀猀猀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀猀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀⸀  䴀礀 漀渀氀礀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 眀椀猀栀  ഊthey gave the untranslated word for some of the dishes and ਀椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀⸀  䐀漀攀猀 椀琀 刀䔀䄀䰀䰀夀 猀愀礀 ∀猀愀洀漀猀愀∀ 漀爀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀㼀   ഊIt includes a reproduction of the original, so one could transcribe ਀椀琀 漀渀攀猀攀氀昀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 戀氀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 眀栀椀琀攀 爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀  ഊbook, and the many illustrations are reproduced in color. It's ਀攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀猀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 戀漀漀欀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 昀爀漀洀 䤀䰀䰀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀  ഊwant to see it before you purchase. ਀ഊhttp://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/1400_1499/ ਀洀愀渀搀甀⼀渀椀洀愀琀渀愀洀愀⼀渀椀洀愀琀渀愀洀愀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀刀愀渀瘀愀椀最ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:31:50 -0700 (PDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀 瘀漀渀 䄀栀爀攀渀猀 㰀愀栀爀攀渀猀栀愀瘀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Indian dinner at Pennsic? ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㸀 吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀 昀漀爀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀 䄀欀戀愀爀渀愀洀愀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ> found a 3 vol. copy in English for $45 + the cost ਀㸀 漀昀 猀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 䤀渀搀椀愀⸀  䤀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最ഊ> to compare the Akbar list with the Ni'mat ਀㸀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀渀礀 挀爀漀猀猀ⴀ漀瘀攀爀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ ਀䤀琀 椀猀渀✀琀 愀 栀甀最攀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀攀爀洀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀  ㄀㈀㄀ 瀀愀最攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 ㄀　 瀀愀最攀猀 漀昀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 最氀漀猀猀愀爀礀⸀  䴀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀  ഊactual book is a facsimile of the original manuscript, in black and white, 516 pages worth. If you could read the script, you would be able to compare the original with the translation. ਀ഊThere is an interesting center section with all of the illustrations grouped together and in color, which gives you interesting kitchen, dining and outdoor ਀猀挀攀渀攀猀 愀渀搀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀最椀漀渀 愀渀搀 攀爀愀⸀  䈀甀琀 挀漀洀瀀愀爀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䄀爀愀戀椀挀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 愀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀洀瀀愀爀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀愀爀礀⸀ ഊ ਀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀Ⰰ 琀漀 洀攀Ⰰ 椀猀 眀漀爀琀栀 琀栀攀 瀀甀爀挀栀愀猀攀 瀀爀椀挀攀⸀  䈀甀琀 夀䴀䴀嘀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:02:23 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀椀氀椀渀愀栀 㰀氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Indian dinner at Pennsic? ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀✀猀 眀栀愀琀 椀✀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 猀漀 昀愀爀 昀漀爀 匀䌀䄀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 椀渀ഊchronological order. Clearly there's more written about food in ਀䤀渀搀椀愀渀 琀攀砀琀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 愀渀 愀爀攀愀 椀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 猀漀 椀ഊhaven't collected a list of sources. ਀ഊ--------------------- ਀ഊ(1.) late 15th-early 16th C. Persian, Moghul, and Indian ਀ഊThe Ni'matna'ma Manuscript of the Sultans of Mandu: The Sultan's Book ਀漀昀 䐀攀氀椀最栀琀猀ഊtranslated by Norah M. Titley ਀刀漀甀琀氀攀搀最攀䌀甀爀稀漀渀ഊAbingdon, Oxon, UK: 2005 ਀䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㐀㄀㔀ⴀ㌀㔀　㔀㤀ⴀ堀ഊ ਀圀攀✀瘀攀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀攀搀 琀栀攀 一椀✀洀愀琀渀愀✀洀愀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 氀椀猀琀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀猀 猀椀渀挀攀ഊthe publication if Titley's translation about 1-1/2 years ago. ਀ഊThe Ni'matna'ma is a late 15th and early 16th C. Moghul recipe and ਀洀攀搀椀挀椀渀愀氀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 椀渀 唀爀搀甀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 椀猀 愀 甀渀椀焀甀攀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 吀刀唀䔀 猀攀渀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 ⴀ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 漀渀氀礀ഊone manuscript and no copies in existence, and it is in the Oriental ਀愀渀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀 伀昀昀椀挀攀 䌀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀爀椀琀椀猀栀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀 ⠀䈀䰀⸀ 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀ഊ149). The book was compiled between 1495 and 1505. It contains ਀爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 戀攀琀攀氀Ⰰ 洀攀搀椀挀椀渀愀氀猀Ⰰ 愀瀀栀爀漀搀椀猀椀愀挀猀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀昀甀洀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊmore, written for Ghiyath Shahi, Sultan of Mandu (now Madhya ਀倀爀愀搀攀猀栀⤀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㐀㘀㤀ⴀ㄀㔀　　Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀搀 戀礀 栀椀猀 猀甀挀挀攀猀猀漀爀Ⰰ 栀椀猀 猀漀渀ഊNasir Shah. It reflects Moghul culture that was highly influenced by ਀倀攀爀猀椀愀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 眀愀猀 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 昀椀昀琀礀 洀椀渀椀愀琀甀爀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 昀攀眀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 椀渀 愀ഊdistinctive Shiraz (Southern Iranian) style by imported Persian ਀愀爀琀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀渀挀爀攀愀猀椀渀最氀礀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀爀 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 猀栀漀眀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀最攀渀漀甀猀ഊstyles of book painting from Central and Western India. ਀ഊTitley's scholarly publication includes a complete translation with ਀渀漀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 戀漀漀欀 椀渀ഊphotographic plates. Because facsimile and the color plates, it costs ਀漀瘀攀爀 ␀㄀　　 唀匀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 䤀䰀䰀✀椀渀最 椀琀Ⰰ 琀漀漀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 昀甀渀 琀漀 爀攀愀搀 ⴀഊalthough most of the aphrodisiacs are for males. ਀ഊI hesitate to bring my copy to Pennsic. Perhaps there's some time in ਀琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 洀漀渀琀栀 愀渀搀 愀 栀愀氀昀 眀栀攀渀 椀 挀漀甀氀搀 猀栀漀眀 礀漀甀 洀礀 挀漀瀀礀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ ਀⠀㈀⸀⤀ 䰀愀琀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 䌀⸀ 倀攀爀猀椀愀渀Ⰰ 䴀漀最栀甀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀ഊ ਀䄀椀渀ⴀ椀 䄀欀戀愀爀椀ഊpart of the Akbarnamah ਀戀礀 匀栀愀椀欀栀 䄀戀甀 愀氀ⴀ䘀愀稀氀 椀戀渀 䴀甀戀愀爀愀欀ഊcirca 1590 ਀ഊAin-i Akbari, the third volume of the Akbarnamah, was written by ਀匀栀愀椀欀栀 䄀戀甀 愀氀ⴀ䘀愀稀氀 椀戀渀 䴀甀戀愀爀愀欀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 眀愀猀 䄀欀戀愀爀✀猀 洀椀渀椀猀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 昀爀椀攀渀搀⸀ഊIt was written in Persian. This volume in particular, is an account ਀漀昀 䴀甀最栀愀氀 䤀渀搀椀愀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 䄀欀戀愀爀✀猀 挀漀甀爀琀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ഊIt contains information regarding Akbar's reign. Apparently it isn't ਀愀氀眀愀礀猀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 愀挀挀甀爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 栀攀氀瀀猀 椀渀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 漀昀 椀琀猀ഊtime. It catalogues facts for which, in modern times, we would turn ਀琀漀 愀搀洀椀渀椀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀猀Ⰰ 猀琀愀琀椀猀琀椀挀愀氀 挀漀洀瀀椀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 最愀稀攀琀琀攀攀爀猀⸀ഊIt is essentially the Administration Report and Statistical Return of ਀栀椀猀 最漀瘀攀爀渀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㔀㤀　 䌀䔀⸀ഊ ਀䈀攀眀猀椀搀攀猀 愀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀渀ഊfoodstuffs, for example listing foods and fresh produce available for ਀猀愀氀攀 椀渀 洀愀爀欀攀琀瀀氀愀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 瀀爀椀挀攀猀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 挀氀攀愀爀 琀栀攀礀ഊwere being eaten, although since some of these foods are not included ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰഊ ਀吀栀攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀琀漀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 戀礀 䠀⸀ 䈀氀漀挀栀洀愀渀渀 ㄀㠀㜀㌀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀搀 戀礀ഊColonel H. S. Jarrett in 1907, has been made available on-line by The ਀倀愀挀欀愀爀搀 䠀甀洀愀渀椀琀椀攀猀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀⸀ 䠀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀攀砀 昀漀爀 嘀漀氀甀洀攀 ㄀ ⠀漀昀 ㌀⤀ 漀昀ഊthe Ain-i Akbari, which has the section with recipes, as well as ਀漀琀栀攀爀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀漀搀 椀渀昀漀⸀⸀⸀ഊhttp://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=00702051&ct=0 ਀ഊ--------------------- ਀ഊ(3.) Early 17th C. Moghul ਀ഊNuskha-e-Shahjahani: Pulaos from the Royal Kitchen of Shah Jahan ਀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 匀愀氀洀愀 䠀甀猀愀椀渀ഊRupa & Co., New Delhi: 2004 ਀䤀匀䈀一 㠀㄀ⴀ㜀㄀㘀㜀ⴀ㤀㠀㤀ⴀ㜀ഊ ਀匀栀愀栀 䨀愀栀愀渀 爀甀氀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㘀㈀㠀ⴀ㄀㘀㔀㠀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 栀椀猀ഊreign, it is somewhat out of period. Unfortunately this modern ਀瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 昀爀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 愀 猀挀栀漀氀愀爀氀礀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀昀 瘀椀攀眀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊauthor's scantily historical intro raises more questions than it ਀愀渀猀眀攀爀猀⸀ 圀栀椀氀攀 䠀甀猀愀椀渀 猀愀礀猀 猀栀攀 栀愀猀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 椀渀琀漀ഊEnglish from the original Persian language manuscript, she never ਀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瘀攀渀愀渀挀攀 漀爀 攀瘀攀渀 搀愀琀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀Ⰰ 渀漀爀ഊdoes she say where this manuscript currently is. Thus one cannot ਀瘀攀爀椀昀礀 栀攀爀 挀氀愀椀洀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀 漀渀氀礀 㜀　 爀椀挀攀ⴀ戀愀猀攀搀 猀愀瘀漀爀礀 愀渀搀 猀眀攀攀琀ഊrecipes, merely a selection from the original cookbook. There are no ਀瀀甀爀攀氀礀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀 漀爀 昀爀甀椀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 瀀甀氀愀漀猀Ⰰ 焀甀戀漀漀氀椀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊkichdis - which are all what we modern folks would consider "main ਀搀椀猀栀攀猀∀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 爀椀挀攀 戀愀猀攀搀 猀眀攀攀琀 搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 眀栀椀挀栀ഊinterestingly show up in late 15th C. and 16th C. Ottoman feasts. ਀ഊThe recipes are fairly detailed, and at first i thought the author ਀栀愀搀 洀漀搀攀爀渀椀稀攀搀 琀栀攀洀⸀ 䈀甀琀 椀 眀愀猀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 戀漀愀爀搀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀琀ഊand it became clear from comments posted there by actual modern ਀䤀渀搀椀愀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 ⴀ 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊmeasurements and some of the cooking methods - and the dishes were ਀甀渀昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 漀爀 焀甀椀琀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀爀漀洀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀猀⸀ 匀漀 椀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 洀漀爀攀ഊcertain that these are not 20th C. recipes, and probably not late ਀㄀㤀琀栀 䌀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 洀椀最栀琀 渀漀琀 戀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀 ㄀㜀琀栀 䌀⸀ 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀ഊhave no way to check this because of the limited information from ਀䠀甀猀愀椀渀⸀ 䄀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀攀搀ഊthem herself and made them seem old. ਀ഊI just wish the book had two things: ਀㄀⸀ 洀漀爀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀㬀ഊ2. more of the original manuscript's recipes (even if they aren't SCA- ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀⤀℀ഊ-- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊthe persona formerly known as Anahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㐀㨀㐀　㨀㌀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Robin Carroll-Mann" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䴀甀猀椀渀最 漀渀 䴀漀渀最漀氀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊOn Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Lilinah wrote: ਀㰀㰀㰀 䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 洀愀欀攀猀 洀攀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 漀昀 ∀昀爀椀渀最攀∀ 昀漀漀搀猀 洀椀最栀琀ഊwork, or one or two "fringe" dishes in each course - both purely Arabic and ਀瀀甀爀攀氀礀 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀礀戀攀 愀 吀甀爀欀椀猀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀 ⴀ 洀椀最栀琀 栀攀氀瀀 搀椀瘀攀爀猀椀昀礀 琀栀攀ഊfood for non-meat eaters. ਀ⴀⴀഊUrtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM) >>> ਀ഊIt's 16th century, but the Ain i Akbari has recipes from Mughal India, ਀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 瘀攀最攀琀愀爀椀愀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀ഊhttp://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=00702051&ct=0 ਀䈀漀漀欀 ㄀Ⰰ 䌀栀愀瀀琀攀爀 ㈀㐀⸀ഊ-- ਀䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀ഊMy NEW email is rcarrollmann at gmail.com ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ䴀漀最栀甀氀ⴀ䤀渀搀椀愀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㈀　 漀昀 ㈀　ഊ ਊ