Low-Countries-msg - 11/23/99 ਀ഊMedieval Netherlands and Belgium. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: France-msg, Gaul-art, Europe-msg, Anglo-Saxons-msg, fd-Lw-Cntries-msg, p-Dutch-food-bib. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊSubject: bits and pieces for florilegium ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㈀ 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀　㨀　㈀㨀㈀㤀 䌀䔀匀吀ഊFrom: "Christina van Tets" ਀吀漀㨀 猀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 琀攀砀愀猀⸀渀攀琀ഊ ਀䠀椀 匀琀攀昀愀渀Ⰰഊ Ian here (using Christina's e-mail). I've produced a few new bits of ਀猀挀爀椀戀戀氀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 甀猀攀昀甀氀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ഊ ਀吀椀洀攀氀椀渀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀ഊ ਀㘀　　ⴀ㠀　　䄀䐀 愀爀攀愀 椀猀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀氀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 洀攀爀漀瘀椀渀最椀愀渀 昀爀愀渀欀猀ഊ ਀㠀　　ⴀ㄀　　　䄀䐀 愀爀攀愀 椀猀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀氀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀漀氀椀渀最椀愀渀 昀爀愀渀欀猀ഊ ਀㄀　　　ⴀ㄀㌀㔀　䄀䐀 猀攀瀀攀爀愀琀攀 瀀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀猀 搀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 琀栀椀渀最ഊ ਀ⴀ 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀猀 愀爀攀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀氀搀 昀爀愀渀欀椀猀栀 挀漀甀渀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 搀甀挀栀椀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊbishoprics. some are linked to the Holy Roman Empire, some are linked to ਀䔀渀最氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 琀漀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 愀爀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 椀渀搀攀瀀攀渀搀愀渀琀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 愀 爀攀愀氀ഊmess. In the 1200s Luxembourg was easily the most powerful province (three ਀猀甀挀挀攀猀猀椀瘀攀 搀甀欀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 䠀漀氀礀 刀漀洀愀渀 䔀洀瀀攀爀漀爀猀⤀ഊ ਀㄀㌀㔀　ⴀ㄀㐀㔀　 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀 礀攀愀爀猀 眀愀爀 栀攀氀瀀猀 琀椀搀礀 琀栀椀渀最猀 甀瀀⸀  䈀礀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀爀 琀栀攀ഊdukes of Burgundy had snaffled almost all of the low countries. ਀ഊ1450-1550 Burgundian and Netherlandic history are effectively synonymous. ਀䈀甀爀最甀渀搀椀愀渀 挀漀甀爀琀 椀猀 戀愀猀攀搀 椀渀 䴀攀挀栀攀氀攀渀 ⠀渀漀爀琀栀 漀昀 䈀爀甀猀猀攀氀猀 椀渀 䈀爀愀戀愀渀琀 愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀ഊthe early 16th century, Burgundy hits its peak when a Flemish-born ਀䈀甀爀最甀渀搀椀愀渀 搀甀欀攀 琀漀漀欀 琀栀攀 椀洀瀀攀爀椀愀氀 琀栀爀漀渀攀 愀猀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀 嘀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 琀栀爀漀渀攀ഊas Charles I) Glory days of the southern provinces - especially Brabant and ਀䘀氀愀渀搀攀爀猀ഊ ਀㄀㔀㔀　ⴀ㄀㘀　　 䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀 愀戀搀椀挀愀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 氀漀眀 挀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 愀爀攀 氀椀渀欀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 匀瀀愀椀渀ⰀഊItaly and the americas under Philip II (Charles' brother Maximillian got the ਀攀洀瀀椀爀攀 洀椀渀甀猀 䤀琀愀氀礀⸀ 䰀甀砀攀洀戀漀甀爀最 愀渀搀 䰀椀攀最攀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 猀琀愀礀攀搀 椀洀瀀攀爀椀愀氀 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀ഊnot sure) The ridiculous religious policies of Philip II alienated many of ਀栀椀猀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 一攀琀栀攀爀氀愀渀搀猀 眀攀爀攀 搀攀瘀攀猀琀愀琀攀搀 椀渀 愀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀攀 眀愀爀⸀  吀栀攀礀ഊwere briefly united under Prince William of Orange (aka William the silent) ਀戀甀琀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 栀椀猀 愀猀猀愀猀猀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀 昀攀甀搀椀渀最 愀渀搀 爀攀渀攀眀攀搀 眀愀爀昀愀爀攀 猀瀀氀椀琀ഊthe country. ਀ഊ 1600 - the southern provinces (Brabant, Flanders, Hainaut, Namur, etc. - ਀洀漀爀攀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 䈀攀氀最椀甀洀⤀ 愀爀攀 猀攀挀甀爀攀氀礀 甀渀搀攀爀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀ഊalready becoming a backwater. Their trade had died. Bruges harbour has ਀猀椀氀琀攀搀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 渀漀爀琀栀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀猀 琀栀攀 攀渀琀爀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 䄀渀琀眀攀爀瀀⸀ഊ - the northern provinces (Holland, Gelderland, Utrecht, Friesland ਀攀琀挀⸀ ⴀ 洀漀爀攀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀 琀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 一攀琀栀攀爀氀愀渀搀猀⤀ 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀爀洀攀搀 愀渀 椀渀搀攀瀀攀渀搀愀渀琀ഊfederal state: the United Provinces of the Netherlands. The state is ਀搀漀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 䠀漀氀氀愀渀搀 眀栀漀猀攀 栀愀爀戀漀甀爀 挀椀琀椀攀猀 刀漀琀琀攀爀搀愀洀 愀渀搀ഊAmsterdam have become incredibly wealthy through trade and authorised piracy ਀⠀琀栀攀 䐀甀琀挀栀 愀渀搀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 最漀瘀攀爀渀洀攀渀琀猀 愀甀琀栀漀爀椀猀攀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀栀椀瀀猀 琀漀 爀漀戀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 愀渀搀ഊPortuguese treasure ships). ਀ഊIan ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 戀愀爀漀渀昀甀洀 愀琀 渀攀琀愀砀猀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䬀⸀ 匀挀栀爀攀甀爀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 吀栀攀 䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 㼀ഊDate: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 22:56:57 -0500 ਀ഊmvdamme at xs4all.nl (Maarten van Damme) wrote: ਀㸀 䰀愀琀攀氀礀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 洀愀渀礀 匀䌀䄀 眀攀戀猀椀琀攀猀 戀甀琀 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 搀攀愀氀ഊ> with medieval history, weapons, battles, arts etc. in the Low ਀㸀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 愀氀猀漀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 吀栀攀 一攀琀栀攀爀氀愀渀搀猀 ⠀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 搀愀礀 䈀攀氀最椀甀洀 愀渀搀 吀栀攀ഊ> Netherlands). You can find naming practices in Germany, Britain and ਀㸀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 愀最愀椀渀 猀欀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 漀甀爀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀ 䤀 欀渀漀眀 昀漀爀 愀 昀愀挀琀ഊ> that we have had an interesting and varied history between 800 and ਀㸀 ㄀㐀　　⸀ 圀攀 栀愀搀 戀愀琀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 眀攀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 眀攀愀瀀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 漀渀攀猀㼀ഊ> We were dressed but in what? Did we loan from our neighbours or did we ਀㸀 栀愀瘀攀 漀甀爀 漀眀渀 猀琀礀氀攀猀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䴀愀愀爀琀攀渀 瘀愀渀 䐀愀洀洀攀ഊ ਀吀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀攀 ∀䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀∀ 漀昀 䠀漀氀氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䈀爀愀戀愀渀搀琀ഊwere a part of the Holy Roman Empire. They borrowed heavily on the areas ਀漀昀 䰀漀眀攀爀 匀愀砀漀渀礀 ⠀一椀攀搀攀爀猀愀挀栀猀攀渀⤀ 昀漀爀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀 愀渀搀 愀爀洀漀爀⸀  䤀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀爀 瀀愀爀琀ഊof the fourteenth and early part of the fifteenth century they were known ਀昀漀爀 猀攀愀洀愀渀猀栀椀瀀 愀渀搀 琀爀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀漀爀琀栀 猀攀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 匀椀洀漀渀 瘀愀渀 唀琀爀攀挀栀琀 椀渀 栀椀猀ഊship, The Brindled Cow, cleared the Baltic of the pirates of the Vitalian ਀䈀爀漀琀栀攀爀栀漀漀搀⸀  䈀爀愀戀愀渀搀琀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 眀攀猀琀⸀ ഊLate in period these lands, mostly Hapsburg, became the property of the ਀匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀 嘀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䠀漀氀礀 刀漀洀愀渀 䔀洀瀀攀爀漀爀 愀渀搀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 䬀椀渀最⸀  䄀琀ഊthe very end of period they revolted against the Spanish rule and ਀䌀栀愀氀氀攀渀最攀搀 琀栀攀 䠀愀渀猀攀愀琀椀挀 愀渀搀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 昀漀爀 猀甀瀀爀攀洀愀挀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 一漀爀琀栀 匀攀愀 愀渀搀ഊNorth Atlantic. My own Personna is Hanseatic, but comes from Lower Saxony ਀瘀攀爀礀 渀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀氀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀 猀瀀椀琀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀攀ഊborder, but for merchantile reasons I have an office in Lubeck on the ਀䈀愀氀琀椀挀⸀ഊ-- ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䬀⸀ 匀挀栀爀攀甀爀 ⠀刀椀琀琀攀爀 䈀愀爀漀渀 䴀攀椀猀琀攀爀 䬀愀爀氀 䄀攀爀搀椀最眀椀搀搀攀爀 瘀漀渀 娀愀甀戀攀爀戀攀爀最⤀ഊBarony of Bhakail, East Kingdom ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀椀搀开欀攀礀 愀琀 瘀渀攀琀⸀椀戀洀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䐀愀瘀攀 䬀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 吀栀攀 䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 㼀ഊDate: 8 Oct 1996 08:38:28 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䤀䈀䴀 唀䬀 䰀愀戀漀爀愀琀漀爀椀攀猀 䰀琀搀⸀ഊ ਀戀愀爀漀渀昀甀洀 愀琀 渀攀琀愀砀猀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䬀⸀ 匀挀栀爀攀甀爀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀吀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀攀 ∀䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀∀ 漀昀 䠀漀氀氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䈀爀愀戀愀渀搀琀ഊ>were a part of the Holy Roman Empire. They borrowed heavily on the areas ਀㸀漀昀 䰀漀眀攀爀 匀愀砀漀渀礀 ⠀一椀攀搀攀爀猀愀挀栀猀攀渀⤀ 昀漀爀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀 愀渀搀 愀爀洀漀爀⸀  ഊ< ... snip ...> ਀㸀䰀愀琀攀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀攀猀攀 氀愀渀搀猀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀氀礀 䠀愀瀀猀戀甀爀最Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀洀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ>Spanish through Charles V, the Holy Roman Emperor and Spanish King. ਀ഊSurprising omission of the influence of the Burgundians. ਀ഊDuring the c15th Flanders was a VERY important part of the Burgundian ਀✀攀洀瀀椀爀攀✀ 漀昀 倀栀椀氀椀瀀 ☀ 䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀 琀栀攀 䈀漀氀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀渀昀氀椀挀琀猀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀搀椀渀最ഊinterests of England & Flanders playing a major role in the international ਀瀀漀氀椀琀椀挀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 ⠀栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䄀挀琀 漀昀 䌀栀愀渀挀攀爀礀 ☀ 琀栀攀 倀愀猀琀漀渀ഊletters in the Labyrinth). ਀ഊThe peoples of Flanders were very independent & played a major role in the ਀琀爀愀搀攀 ☀ 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 ⸀⸀⸀ 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀 眀漀漀氀氀攀渀 挀氀漀琀栀 戀攀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀椀渀攀猀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ഊc13th-c14th (using English wool) ... until Flemish immigrants helped raise the ਀䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 挀氀漀琀栀 攀砀瀀漀爀琀 洀愀爀欀攀琀 琀漀 戀攀愀琀 椀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀㄀㐀琀栀ⴀ挀㄀㔀琀栀⸀  ഊ ਀䄀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 ℀℀℀ 䴀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀攀猀琀 ⠀渀漀渀ⴀ䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀⤀ 愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 挀漀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 䘀氀愀渀搀攀爀猀 ⸀⸀⸀ 䨀愀渀 嘀愀渀 䔀礀挀欀 攀琀挀⸀ 攀琀挀⸀ 愀渀搀 猀栀漀眀猀 ഊthe major influence of Flanders ... the Burgundian (ie Flemish) court was the ਀昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 氀攀愀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀 䨀漀栀渀 䐀漀渀渀攀 眀愀猀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀攀洀氀椀挀 挀⸀㄀㐀㜀㔀 椀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀 猀琀礀氀攀 渀漀琀 ഊEnglish & Edward IV bought gowns in the 'Dutch guise' on his return from ਀攀砀椀氀攀 椀渀 ㄀㐀㜀　ⴀ㄀㐀㜀㄀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 戀礀 䴀愀爀最愀爀攀琀 匀挀漀琀琀 漀渀 愀 䈀甀爀最甀渀搀椀愀渀ഊvisit to Scotland in c.1448 (in 'Costume' if you can get it) which hints at some ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 戀愀挀欀眀愀爀搀 匀挀漀琀琀椀猀栀 ☀ 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀愀戀氀攀 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀 搀爀攀猀猀⸀ ഊ ਀䄀猀 昀漀爀 愀爀洀漀甀爀 ⸀⸀⸀ 䤀昀 䤀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀氀礀 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀ⴀ猀琀礀氀攀 愀爀洀漀甀爀 ⠀攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀椀渀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 ☀ 昀氀甀琀攀搀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀⤀ 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 椀渀 洀椀搀ⴀ㄀㔀琀栀䌀ഊEngland. ਀ഊIf you have been reading books which play down the role of Flanders ... ਀礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 眀爀漀渀最 戀漀漀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: tjordan001 at aol.com (TJorDan001) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: The Low Countries ? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㠀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㈀㄀㨀㄀㤀㨀㌀㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ ਀䰀攀琀 甀猀 渀漀琀 昀漀爀最攀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 渀漀琀漀爀椀漀甀猀 攀砀瀀漀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀ⰀഊMercenaries. Flemish and Brabantine mercenaries found employment ਀琀栀爀漀甀最栀漀甀琀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀⸀  匀漀洀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀 最漀 猀漀 昀愀爀 愀猀 琀漀 爀攀昀攀爀 琀漀 ∀䈀爀愀戀愀渀琀椀渀攀猀∀ഊwhen they are refering to 'mercenaries'. ਀ഊ Jester of Anglesea ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 欀攀氀氀漀最最 愀琀 爀漀栀愀渀⸀猀搀猀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀欀攀氀氀漀最最⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 圀攀戀猀椀琀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 ⠀眀愀猀㨀 刀攀㨀 吀栀攀 䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 㼀⤀ഊDate: 8 Oct 1996 17:33:56 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀愀渀 䐀椀攀最漀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀椀渀最 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀ഊ ਀䴀愀愀爀琀攀渀 瘀愀渀 䐀愀洀洀攀 ⠀洀瘀搀愀洀洀攀 愀琀 砀猀㐀愀氀氀⸀渀氀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: Lately I have seen many SCA websites but none of them seems to deal ਀㨀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 眀攀愀瀀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀愀琀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀爀琀猀 攀琀挀⸀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 䰀漀眀ഊ: Countries also known as The Netherlands (present day Belgium and The ਀㨀 一攀琀栀攀爀氀愀渀搀猀⤀⸀ ഊ ਀㨀 䌀漀甀氀搀 猀漀洀攀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀愀戀氀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 琀攀氀氀 洀攀 洀漀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 漀爀 爀攀昀攀爀 洀攀 琀漀ഊ: websites which might answer my many questions? ਀ഊ There is an interesting-looking bibliography at . However, it is in Dutch, so I can't ਀琀攀氀氀 椀昀 椀琀 椀猀 漀昀 愀渀礀 甀猀攀 漀爀 渀漀琀⸀ഊ ਀        吀爀礀 琀栀攀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀猀 椀渀 一攀琀栀攀爀氀愀渀搀猀 瀀愀最攀 愀琀 㰀唀刀䰀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀砀砀䰀䤀一䬀⸀渀氀⼀ഊtourism/museums/home.htm>. Dozens of museums listed, bound to find ਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 甀猀攀昀甀氀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀  䄀氀猀漀 琀爀礀 琀栀攀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀猀 椀渀 䄀洀猀琀攀爀搀愀洀 瀀愀最攀 愀琀ഊ. Looks like lots of interesting ਀氀椀渀欀猀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀                䜀漀漀搀 氀甀挀欀Ⰰ 栀漀瀀攀 礀漀甀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀⸀ഊIn fact, let us know what you find, I'm sure others can benefit from ਀礀漀甀爀 眀漀爀欀⸀ഊ ਀                䄀瘀攀渀攀氀 䬀攀氀氀漀甀最栀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ksp8305 at osfmail.isc.rit.edu (K.S. Palmer) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: The Low Countries ? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㜀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㈀㄀㨀㈀㜀㨀㈀㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䤀 愀挀挀椀搀攀渀琀愀氀氀礀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀 戀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 戀愀挀欀最爀漀甀渀搀 漀渀ഊrennaissance Holland. It's called "Daily Life in Holland in the Year ਀㄀㔀㘀㘀∀ 戀礀 刀椀攀渀 倀漀漀爀琀瘀氀椀攀琀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀琀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊbookstore rather than history. You could also look at "In My ਀䜀爀愀渀搀昀愀琀栀攀爀✀猀 䠀漀甀猀攀∀ 戀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀⸀ഊ ਀䄀搀攀氀愀椀猀ഊ-- ਀䬀愀爀礀渀 倀愀氀洀攀爀ഊKSP8305 at rit.edu ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀爀椀琀⸀攀搀甀⼀縀欀猀瀀㠀㌀　㔀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "g. koster" ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: The Low Countries ? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㠀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　㤀㨀㄀㤀㨀㔀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Gorlaeus lab. Leiden University Holland ਀ഊksp8305 at osfmail.isc.rit.edu (K.S. Palmer) wrote: ਀㸀䤀 愀挀挀椀搀攀渀琀愀氀氀礀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀 戀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 戀愀挀欀最爀漀甀渀搀 漀渀ഊ>rennaissance Holland. It's called "Daily Life in Holland in the Year ਀㸀㄀㔀㘀㘀∀ 戀礀 刀椀攀渀 倀漀漀爀琀瘀氀椀攀琀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀琀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ>bookstore rather than history. You could also look at "In My ਀㸀䜀爀愀渀搀昀愀琀栀攀爀✀猀 䠀漀甀猀攀∀ 戀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䄀搀攀氀愀椀猀ഊ ਀䤀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 眀愀爀渀 礀漀甀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 猀甀瀀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最 礀漀甀 搀椀搀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀琀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀⸀ 刀椀攀渀 倀漀漀爀琀瘀氀椀攀琀 椀猀 瀀爀椀洀愀爀攀氀礀 愀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀爀⸀ 䤀昀 椀琀 椀猀 漀渀氀礀 栀椀洀 眀栀漀 搀椀搀 眀爀椀琀攀 搀攀 戀漀漀欀 䤀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 瀀甀琀 琀漀 洀甀猀琀 瘀愀氀甀攀 漀渀 椀琀⸀ 伀瘀攀爀栀攀爀攀 栀攀 椀猀 戀攀猀琀 欀渀漀眀渀 昀漀爀 栀椀猀 愀渀椀洀愀氀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最猀⸀ 䤀昀 栀礀 搀椀搀 眀爀椀琀攀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀 漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀琀爀愀渀最攀 琀栀椀渀最 䤀 ഊnever hurd of this book of him, Although I hurd of vijf or so other books of him, All writen in dutch as was "In my Grandfather's House" ਀ഊDouwe Johannus ਀ⴀⴀ ഊDrs. G. Koster ਀䰀攀椀搀攀渀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀Ⰰ 䰀攀椀搀攀渀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 漀昀 䌀栀攀洀椀猀琀爀礀Ⰰ 䜀漀爀氀愀攀甀猀 䰀愀戀漀爀愀琀漀爀椀攀猀⸀ഊAddress: Einsteinweg 55 ਀              倀⸀伀⸀ 䈀漀砀 㤀㔀　㈀ ഊ 2300 RA Leiden ਀              吀栀攀 一攀琀栀攀爀氀愀渀搀猀⸀ഊTeleFax: +31 71 5274537 ਀倀栀漀渀攀㨀        ⬀㌀㄀ 㜀㄀ 㔀㈀㜀㐀㔀㄀㌀ഊEmail: koster_g at chem.leidenuniv.nl ਀栀漀洀攀 愀搀爀攀猀㨀   䐀爀猀⸀ 䜀⸀ 䬀漀猀琀攀爀         ഊ Lokhorst 69 ਀              ㈀㌀㔀㈀ 䬀䔀 䰀攀椀搀攀爀搀漀爀瀀ഊ The Netherlands ਀栀漀洀攀 瀀栀漀渀攀㨀   ⬀㌀㄀ 㜀㄀ 㔀㐀㄀㠀㔀㘀㌀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: brianscott at aol.com (BrianScott) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 愀氀琀⸀栀攀爀愀氀搀爀礀⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Flemish resources ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㈀㨀㔀㔀㨀㈀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀一椀挀栀漀氀愀猀 䈀漀氀氀愀攀爀琀 愀猀欀攀搀㨀ഊDoes anyone have any good reference sources for the low countries ਀挀椀爀挀愀 ㄀㌀琀栀 愀渀搀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀琀甀搀礀 漀昀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀⸀ 渀愀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 䬀漀爀琀爀椀樀欀 愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 渀愀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀ഊsome of the records of the town of Ieper between 1250 and 1400, both in ਀䐀甀琀挀栀⸀  吀栀攀 昀漀爀洀攀爀 椀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 洀愀渀礀 猀甀挀栀 眀漀爀欀猀 戀礀 䘀⸀ 䐀攀戀爀愀戀愀渀搀攀爀攀㬀 琀栀攀ഊlatter is by Wilfried Beele. ਀ഊTalan Gwynek ਀䐀漀 一漀琀 唀猀攀㨀 戀爀椀愀渀猀挀漀琀琀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊAlways Use: scott at math.csuohio.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀椀琀琀氀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䄀爀瘀愀氀 搀✀䔀猀瀀愀猀 一漀爀搀⤀ഊNewsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀 爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀ഊDate: 16 Jan 1997 14:17:17 -0500 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀䄀一䤀堀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀渀搀 唀渀椀砀Ⰰ 一夀䌀ഊ ਀一椀挀栀漀氀愀猀 䈀漀氀氀愀攀爀琀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Does anyone have any good reference sources for the low countries ਀㸀 挀椀爀挀愀 ㄀㌀琀栀 愀渀搀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀猀 漀渀 䐀甀琀挀栀 愀渀搀 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀 渀愀洀攀猀 愀琀 洀礀 渀愀洀攀猀 眀攀戀 瀀愀最攀Ⰰഊhttp://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/. There is one article on Flemish ਀愀爀洀漀爀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䄀挀愀搀攀洀礀 漀昀 匀琀⸀ 䜀愀戀爀椀攀氀 氀椀戀愀爀礀 愀琀ഊhttp://www.us.itd.umich.edu/~ximenez/s.gabriel/docs/, but it was drawn from ਀㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 渀攀攀搀 洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 搀椀爀攀挀琀 礀漀甀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䄀挀愀搀攀洀礀 愀琀 ഊhttp://www.us.itd.umich.edu/~ximenez/s.gabriel/gabemail.html. We have a ਀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀椀猀琀 椀渀 䐀甀琀挀栀 愀渀搀 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀 渀愀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀爀洀漀爀礀⸀ഊ=========================================================================== ਀䄀爀瘀愀氀 搀✀䔀猀瀀愀猀 一漀爀搀                                         洀椀琀琀氀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: dalton at ea.net (Nancy Dalton) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Flemish resources ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㌀㨀㈀㌀㨀㄀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀ⰀഊMedieval Flanders, by David Nicholas, ISBN 0 582 01679 7 CSD, 1992. ਀䤀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀猀 䘀氀愀渀搀攀爀猀 瀀漀氀椀琀椀挀猀Ⰰ 攀挀漀渀漀洀椀挀猀Ⰰ 愀爀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀爀愀搀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 㘀　　 琀漀ഊ1477. The only thing it does not have is pictures :) ਀ഊNancy Dalton ਀猀欀愀 䔀愀爀渀眀礀渀渀 瘀愀渀 娀眀愀氀甀眀攀渀戀甀爀最ഊ ਀ഊFrom: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Hoerning grave (Danish ca 1000) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㈀ 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㘀㨀㈀　㨀㐀㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California at Berkeley ਀ഊMaggie Mulvaney wrote: ਀㸀⸀⸀⸀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀 眀漀洀愀渀 戀甀爀椀攀搀 漀渀ഊ>a cart, in an early Christian burial. The interesting thing is the ਀㸀爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 漀昀 栀攀爀 最愀爀洀攀渀琀⸀ 䄀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 椀猀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 眀椀搀攀 戀愀渀搀 漀昀ഊ>silverworked tabletwoven braid, which lies loose on her left side and ਀㸀椀猀 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 栀攀爀 爀椀最栀琀 愀爀洀⸀ ⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䈀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 眀栀愀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 䤀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 眀漀洀愀渀 眀愀猀 眀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀ഊGermanic early-period garment sometimes called a "tube dress" or ਀∀䠀愀攀渀最攀爀漀挀欀⸀∀  吀栀椀猀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀攀搀 ⠀琀漀 猀漀洀攀 攀砀琀攀渀琀⤀ 愀 䜀爀攀攀欀 瀀攀瀀氀漀猀Ⰰഊand consisted of a tube of fabric (apparently fabric could be ਀眀漀瘀攀渀 椀渀 愀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀漀甀猀 琀甀戀攀 漀渀 愀 眀愀爀瀀ⴀ眀攀椀最栀琀攀搀 氀漀漀洀Ⰰ 搀漀渀✀琀 愀猀欀ഊ*me* how they did it), say four feet in length and maybe four ਀漀爀 昀椀瘀攀 昀攀攀琀 椀渀 挀椀爀挀甀洀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀⸀  圀攀愀瘀椀渀最 漀渀攀 漀渀 愀 眀愀爀瀀ⴀ眀攀椀最栀琀攀搀 氀漀漀洀ഊbegan with weaving a band of tablet-woven braid, into which a ਀瀀愀椀爀 漀昀 眀愀爀瀀猀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀猀攀爀琀攀搀 愀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 琀甀爀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀愀戀氀攀琀猀⸀  夀漀甀ഊwound up with a length of braid with a very long fringe dangling ਀昀爀漀洀 椀琀㬀 琀栀攀猀攀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 琀栀攀 眀愀爀瀀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀瘀攀渀 昀愀戀爀椀挀⸀  圀栀攀渀 椀琀 眀愀猀ഊall done, you had a length (or in this case tube) of fabric with ਀愀 琀愀戀氀攀琀ⴀ眀漀瘀攀渀 戀愀渀搀 渀攀愀琀氀礀 昀椀渀椀猀栀椀渀最 漀昀昀 漀渀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 椀琀Ⰰ  夀漀甀ഊcould then sew a second tablet-woven band onto the other edge. ਀ഊTo put the dress on, you stepped into the tube and pinned it ਀眀椀琀栀 戀爀漀漀挀栀攀猀 愀戀漀瘀攀 攀愀挀栀 猀栀漀甀氀搀攀爀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 攀搀最攀 ⠀眀栀攀爀攀ഊthe braid was) ran from the left-hand brooch, across the front to ਀琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀ⴀ栀愀渀搀 戀爀漀漀挀栀Ⰰ 甀渀搀攀爀 礀漀甀爀 爀椀最栀琀 愀爀洀瀀椀琀Ⰰ 甀瀀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀爀漀漀挀栀ഊagain, across your back to the left-hand brooch, under your left ਀愀爀洀瀀椀琀Ⰰ 甀瀀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀爀漀漀挀栀 愀最愀椀渀⸀  䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 猀攀攀 愀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最 漀昀ഊjust how the braid was found in situ, and just what the excavators ਀洀攀愀渀琀 戀礀 ∀眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀⸀∀  䈀甀琀 椀昀 椀琀 漀渀氀礀 眀攀渀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀ഊthe arm once, that is, from the top of the shoulder under the ਀愀爀洀瀀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀攀爀 愀最愀椀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 昀椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀                          䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West Albany, California ਀倀刀伀 䐀䔀伀 䔀吀 刀䔀䜀䔀                                     搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: mulvanem at fp.co.nz (Maggie Mulvaney) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Hoerning grave (Danish ca 1000) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㌀㨀㔀㈀㨀　㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㰀猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 栀愀渀最攀爀漀挀欀 猀渀椀瀀瀀攀搀㸀ഊ ਀夀攀猀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 眀攀愀爀椀渀最 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 戀椀琀猀 漀昀ഊbraid that fit that rather well. But the very wide braid that I was ਀琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 爀攀愀氀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀 挀氀漀愀欀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀 搀爀攀猀猀⸀ 䄀猀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀ഊpointed out already the word dragt can be translated as 'costume' ਀爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 ✀搀爀攀猀猀✀ 瀀攀爀 猀攀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 挀漀渀琀爀愀搀椀挀琀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀ഊit was the author himself who had translated it into the English ਀猀甀洀洀愀爀礀 ⠀渀漀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀氀攀猀 漀甀琀 愀 洀椀猀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀℀⤀⸀ 䠀攀 愀氀猀漀 甀猀攀猀 琀栀攀ഊword 'dress' in the captions of the pictures, but here he talks about ਀✀琀栀攀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀眀漀爀欀攀搀 搀爀攀猀猀✀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 最甀攀猀猀 琀栀愀琀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 瀀漀椀渀琀猀 琀漀 愀ഊmistranslation. ਀ഊThe precise wording (my translation) is 'the dead was wearing a ਀⨀最愀爀洀攀渀琀⨀ 攀搀最攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀眀漀爀欀攀搀Ⰰ 琀愀戀氀攀琀眀漀瘀攀渀 戀爀愀椀搀⸀ 伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀ഊwas a ca. 5 cm wide and 2.5 m long braid with a rhomboid pattern, that ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 戀爀漀眀 爀愀渀 搀漀眀渀 戀漀琀栀 猀椀搀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀搀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 最愀爀洀攀渀琀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀ഊbeen hanging loose down the left side of the body, while on the other ਀猀椀搀攀 椀琀 眀愀猀 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 氀漀眀攀爀 愀爀洀⸀ 䤀渀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀ഊsome 2-2.5 cm wide braid, also with silverworked patterns, that were ਀瀀氀愀挀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀攀爀猀Ⰰ 戀礀 琀栀攀 眀爀椀猀琀猀 愀渀搀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 琀栀椀最栀 戀漀渀攀⸀✀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀 最爀愀瘀攀 氀漀漀欀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀 猀栀攀ഊmentions looks to me like it went around the arm at the shoulders. ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 戀礀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀最栀 戀漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 猀琀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀ഊaround itself at the top (halfway down the thigh, and reaches to the ਀欀渀攀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 渀漀㼀 ഊ ਀䴀甀椀爀攀愀渀渀 椀渀最攀渀 䔀漀最栀愀椀渀ഊ********************************************************** ਀⨀ 䴀䴀夀             ⨀                    洀甀氀瘀愀渀攀洀 愀琀 昀瀀⸀挀漀⸀渀稀 ⨀ ഊ* Maggie Mulvaney * http://www.nmia.com/~entropy/maggie/ * ਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: mulvanem at fp.co.nz (Maggie Mulvaney) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Hoerning grave (Danish ca 1000) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㄀㨀㔀㤀㨀㄀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀伀渀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㌀㨀㔀㈀㨀　㄀ 䜀䴀吀Ⰰ 洀甀氀瘀愀渀攀洀 愀琀 昀瀀⸀挀漀⸀渀稀 ⠀䴀愀最最椀攀 䴀甀氀瘀愀渀攀礀⤀ഊwrote: ਀㸀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀 最爀愀瘀攀 氀漀漀欀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀 猀栀攀ഊ>mentions looks to me like it went around the arm at the shoulders. ਀㸀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 戀礀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀最栀 戀漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 猀琀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀ഊ>around itself at the top (halfway down the thigh, and reaches to the ਀㸀欀渀攀攀⸀ഊ ਀䐀漀栀⸀ 䈀礀 ✀琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀 ⨀栀攀⨀ 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀✀ 䤀 洀攀愀渀 琀栀攀 渀愀爀爀漀眀攀爀 戀爀愀椀搀⸀⸀⸀ഊApologies. ਀ഊMuireann ਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊ* MMY * mulvanem at fp.co.nz * ਀⨀ 䴀愀最最椀攀 䴀甀氀瘀愀渀攀礀 ⨀ 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀渀洀椀愀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀攀渀琀爀漀瀀礀⼀洀愀最最椀攀⼀ ⨀ഊ********************************************************** ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀愀爀愀栀 搀攀 嘀爀椀攀猀 ☀ 刀漀戀戀攀爀琀 䴀椀挀栀攀氀 㰀刀漀猀愀 愀琀 爀漀猀愀⸀搀攀洀漀渀⸀渀氀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䐀甀琀挀栀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀Ⰰ 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀㼀ഊDate: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 12:39:38 +0100 ਀ഊGreetings do Gerbrich and Milant send unto you from the fair shire of ਀倀漀氀搀攀爀猀氀漀琀℀ഊ ਀䈀漀渀愀昀椀搀攀 搀甀琀挀栀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 搀甀琀挀栀⼀昀爀椀猀椀愀渀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀✀猀 爀攀瀀氀礀椀渀最 栀攀爀攀⸀ 䘀椀爀猀琀ഊof (before I forget), a really good website on the subject is the ਀䔀礀挀欀攀渀戀漀猀挀栀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀㨀ഊhttp://www.geocities.com/Athens/1336/library.html ਀ഊOne author to look out for is Frits van Oostrom (surname is Oostrom). We ਀愀爀攀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀猀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 椀渀ഊluck: he writes about Jacob van Maerlant (1230 - ca 1296), a dutch ਀愀甀琀栀漀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀⸀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 漀琀栀攀爀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊtop of my head. ਀ഊFeel free to e-mail us for help with research and such... Probably most ਀漀昀 漀甀爀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 眀漀爀欀猀 愀爀攀 椀渀 搀甀琀挀栀 漀爀 昀爀椀猀椀愀渀 ⠀漀爀 漀氀搀 昀爀椀猀椀愀渀 㨀⤀℀ ⤀ 戀甀琀ഊwe might be able to help anyway... And don't forget to share your ਀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 甀猀℀ഊ ਀䰀椀渀最攀渀 嘀愀渀 甀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I have a few resources for naming ਀㸀 愀渀搀 猀甀挀栀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 ⠀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 愀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 最攀渀攀愀漀氀漀最礀 最漀椀渀最 戀愀挀欀Ⰰ 漀爀 猀漀 椀琀ഊ> claims, to the 1300's). ਀ഊWe found transcribed Frisian legal records going back to 1320 at the ਀唀琀爀攀挀栀琀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 搀甀琀挀栀 漀渀攀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 昀漀爀 ㄀㈀　　 琀漀ഊ1500. ਀ഊ> Brother Weird van Leeuwarden ਀ഊBy the way, did you know there are about 143 (of the top of my head) ਀搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 爀攀挀漀爀搀攀搀 猀瀀攀氀氀椀渀最猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 䰀攀攀甀眀愀爀搀攀渀㼀 吀栀攀礀 爀愀渀最攀 昀爀漀洀ഊLionwarta to Ljouwert to Leeuwarden. Cool, huh? ਀䜀攀爀戀爀椀挀栀 匀礀琀栀 搀漀挀栀琀攀爀 ☀ 刀攀椀渀愀氀搀 瘀愀渀 䴀椀氀愀渀琀⸀ഊ mka ਀           匀愀爀愀栀 搀攀 嘀爀椀攀猀 ☀ 刀漀戀戀攀爀琀 䴀椀挀栀攀氀ഊ Rosa at rosa.demon.nl ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 㐀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㐀㨀㄀㔀㨀　㔀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Flemish dress? ਀ഊ> A friend of mine needs help in finding pictures of flemish dress for the ਀㸀 氀愀琀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀Ⰰ 攀愀爀氀礀 ㄀㔀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀礀 琀椀瀀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 漀昀 栀攀氀瀀 㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀㸀 䄀渀渀愀 搀攀 䈀礀砀攀ഊ ਀吀攀氀氀 礀漀甀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 琀漀 最漀 琀漀 愀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 漀爀 最漀漀搀 戀漀漀欀 猀琀漀爀攀 愀渀搀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀ഊRogier van der Weyden. He's a 14th century Flemish painter. He did lots of ਀瀀漀爀琀爀愀椀琀猀 愀渀搀 最愀瘀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 氀漀瘀椀渀最 搀攀琀愀椀氀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀氀漀琀栀攀猀 栀椀猀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀猀 眀攀爀攀ഊwearing. ਀ഊJan van Eyck is also a good source, but I can't remember at the moment if he ਀椀猀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 琀椀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀瘀攀 氀攀渀琀 洀礀 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀 愀爀琀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀甀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 挀愀渀✀琀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀⸀ഊBut there were lots of Flemish painters in the 14-15th centuries, so she ਀猀栀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 昀椀渀搀 最爀攀愀琀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䔀愀氀愀猀愀椀搀 渀椀挀 匀栀甀椀戀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 22:01:26 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀愀爀漀氀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 㰀猀挀戀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 渀攀挀愀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀氀攀洀椀猀栀 搀爀攀猀猀㼀ഊ ਀倀愀椀渀琀攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 ☀ ㄀㔀琀栀 椀渀 䘀氀愀渀搀攀爀猀㨀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀猀琀攀爀椀猀欀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊeasier to find/less obscure than the others. ਀ഊThe following comes from an old book with lots of plates: _Flemish Painting ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瘀愀渀 䔀礀挀欀猀 琀漀 䴀攀琀猀礀猀开 戀礀 䰀攀漀 瘀愀渀 倀攀礀瘀攀氀搀攀Ⰰ 䴀挀䜀爀愀眀 䠀椀氀氀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㘀㠀Ⰰ 匀䈀一ഊ07-050980-8. It predates ISBN. ਀ഊMelchior Broederlam, circa 1395 ਀倀攀琀攀爀 漀昀 䈀爀甀猀猀攀氀猀 ⴀ 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 愀猀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 瘀愀渀 䔀礀挀欀✀猀ഊ*Hubert van Eyck, early 15th, did some paintings jointly with Jan van Eyck. ਀ 䠀甀戀攀爀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 ㄀㐀　㐀ⴀ㄀㐀㌀㈀㬀 䨀愀渀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀ഊ1432-1439. ਀吀栀攀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 漀昀 䘀氀攀洀愀氀氀攀 ⴀ 愀 挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀渀 䔀礀挀欀✀猀⸀ഊ*Roger van der Weyden - survived Jan vE by 20 years. ਀倀攀琀爀甀猀琀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀甀猀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 挀椀爀挀愀 ㄀㐀㐀　Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀⸀ഊDieric Bouts painted 1458-1475. ਀䠀甀最漀 瘀愀渀 搀攀爀 䜀漀攀猀 ㄀㐀㘀㜀 漀渀⸀ഊJosse van Wassenhove - around the same time. ਀⨀䨀愀渀 䴀攀洀氀椀挀Ⰰ 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㐀㜀㌀ 漀渀⸀ഊGerard David, about 1484 to 1623. ਀ഊLady Carllein ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 猀漀挀爀愀琀攀猀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䐀愀渀椀猀栀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀㼀ഊDate: 21 Apr 1999 18:08:54 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀䰀愀搀礀 䈀氀愀挀欀琀栀漀爀渀 ⠀戀氀愀挀欀琀栀漀爀渀㌀㄀㤀 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: Hi all, this a bit of a delurk with a question attached. ਀㨀 䴀礀 渀愀洀攀猀 䴀愀爀愀 愀渀搀 䤀✀瘀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 樀漀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 ⠀眀攀氀氀 猀攀渀猀攀 䤀 眀愀猀ഊ: 16) but I'm only getting around to it now. ਀㨀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 洀愀欀椀渀最 愀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀 樀甀猀琀 猀漀 䤀 挀愀渀 最漀 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 戀甀琀 䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀ഊ: develop a danish persona. My family has done it's genealogy in Denmark ਀㨀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀猀 戀甀琀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀  䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀ഊ: authentic name. Anyone know of any lists? ਀ഊThere is an excellant set of books on historic names and bynames in ਀䐀攀渀洀愀爀欀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 洀攀洀漀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀✀猀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 ∀䐀攀渀洀愀爀欀猀 䜀愀洀氀攀ഊPersonnave" by Knudsen et al. Not exactly a browsable, on-line list, but ਀椀琀 开搀漀攀猀开 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀椀瘀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀渀 礀漀甀爀 琀漀瀀椀挀℀ഊ ਀吀愀渀最眀礀猀琀礀氀ഊ********************************************************* ਀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀         栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 猀漀挀爀愀琀攀猀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊ********************************************************* ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀洀礀 愀琀 椀渀渀漀挀攀渀琀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䴀愀最最椀攀 䴀甀氀瘀愀渀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䐀愀渀椀猀栀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀㼀ഊDate: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:03:36 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䤀䌀伀一娀 ⴀ 吀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 䌀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 漀昀 一攀眀 娀攀愀氀愀渀搀ഊ ਀伀渀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㄀㨀㄀㈀㨀㈀㠀 ⴀ　㘀　　Ⰰ 䰀愀搀礀 䈀氀愀挀欀琀栀漀爀渀ഊ wrote: ਀㸀䠀椀 愀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 愀 戀椀琀 漀昀 愀 搀攀氀甀爀欀 眀椀琀栀 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀⸀  ഊ>My names Mara and I've always wanted to join the SCA (well sense I was ਀㸀㄀㘀⤀ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 漀渀氀礀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀漀 椀琀 渀漀眀⸀ഊ>I've started making a costume just so I can go to events but I'd like to ਀㸀搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀 愀 搀愀渀椀猀栀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀⸀  䴀礀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 栀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 椀琀✀猀 最攀渀攀愀氀漀最礀 椀渀 䐀攀渀洀愀爀欀ഊ>back to the 16 hundreds but nothing before that. I'd like to get a ਀㸀愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀 渀愀洀攀⸀  䄀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 氀椀猀琀猀㼀  ഊ>I guess I'm going to go with the viking time period but is there any ਀㸀猀椀琀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 洀漀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 搀愀渀椀猀栀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀㼀  圀栀愀琀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 䐀愀渀攀猀ഊ>doing during the other times? I'm not even sure what I would be wearing ਀㸀栀愀瘀椀渀最 渀漀琀 猀攀攀渀 洀愀渀礀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀攀洀愀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀  ഊ>Any help would be appreciated ਀ഊMara, ਀ഊI've got access to some information on what was going on in Denmark, ਀猀椀渀挀攀 洀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀Ⰰ 䴀愀爀椀攀渀渀愀 䨀攀渀猀搀愀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 䔀愀猀琀 䐀攀渀洀愀爀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊ14th Century. ਀ഊClothing followed other regions. The Danish vikings wore 'standard' ਀最攀琀甀瀀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀攀 漀昀 眀漀洀攀渀 愀瀀爀漀渀 搀爀攀猀猀攀猀 攀琀挀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀氀猀漀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀ഊthat they sometimes borrowed fashion from regions to the south - the ਀䘀爀愀渀欀猀 攀琀挀⸀ 䰀愀琀攀爀 漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀椀稀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 眀椀猀攀Ⰰ ⠀瀀漀琀琀攀搀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 挀漀洀椀渀最 甀瀀⤀ 漀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 䐀愀渀椀猀栀 渀愀琀椀漀渀 栀愀搀ഊbeen united, they spent the next few centuries fighting the Grmans and ਀匀眀攀搀攀猀⸀⠀琀栀攀礀 猀琀椀氀氀 搀漀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀眀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀 椀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀漀挀挀攀爀 昀椀攀氀搀猀⤀⸀ഊAround 1340, there was a period without a king, then the plague hit ਀愀爀漀甀渀搀 ㄀㌀㔀　⸀ 䄀昀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 䬀椀渀最 嘀愀氀搀攀洀愀爀 䄀琀琀攀爀搀愀最 ⠀搀愀礀 愀最愀椀渀⤀ 爀攀猀琀漀爀攀搀ഊthe nation, and his daugther Margrethe united Denmark, Norway and ਀匀眀攀搀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀 唀渀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀愀琀 昀攀氀氀 愀瀀愀爀琀 愀最愀椀渀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀眀漀ഊgenerations, and then there were some pretty bad wars against Sweden, ਀愀氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 爀攀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 挀椀瘀椀氀椀稀攀搀 椀渀 䐀攀渀洀愀爀欀⤀⸀ഊInterestingly, Danish clergy still wear the big millstone ruffs from ਀琀栀愀琀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 琀愀氀欀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 搀漀Ⰰ 䤀✀氀氀 琀爀礀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀ഊyou out. ਀ഊ/mmy ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ䰀漀眀ⴀ䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㄀㄀ 漀昀 ㄀㄀ഊ ਊ