Ireland-msg - 1/10/10
਀ഊIrish culture, dress. Points of interest. Irish history.
਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: cl-Celts-msg, cl-Ireland-msg, fd-Ireland-msg, SI-songbook1-art, Scotland-msg, potatoes-msg.
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਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ
਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ
਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous
਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************
਀ഊ"OF IRELAND
਀ഊYrlonde hight Hibernia, and is an island of the Ocean in Europe, and is
਀渀椀最栀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀愀渀搀 漀昀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 渀愀爀爀漀眀 愀渀搀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 琀栀愀渀ഊBritain, but it is more plenteous place. . . . In this land is much
਀瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 挀漀爀渀 昀椀攀氀搀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 眀攀氀氀猀 愀渀搀 漀昀 爀椀瘀攀爀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 昀愀椀爀 洀攀愀搀猀 愀渀搀 眀漀漀搀猀Ⰰഊof metal and of precious stones.  For there is gendered a six cornered
਀猀琀漀渀攀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀漀 眀椀琀Ⰰ 䤀爀椀猀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 洀愀欀攀琀栀 愀 爀愀椀渀戀漀眀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀椀爀Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 戀攀ഊset in the sun. And there is jet found, and white pearls. And concerning
਀琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀猀漀洀攀 愀椀爀Ⰰ 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 椀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀琀攀 挀漀甀渀琀爀礀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 氀椀琀琀氀攀ഊor none passing heat or cold, there be wonderful lakes, ponds, and
਀眀攀氀氀猀⸀  䘀漀爀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 氀愀欀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀昀 愀 猀琀愀昀昀 漀爀 愀 瀀漀氀攀 漀昀 琀爀攀攀 戀攀ഊpight, and tarrieth long time therein, the part that is in the earth
਀琀甀爀渀攀琀栀 椀渀琀漀 椀爀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀甀爀渀攀琀栀 椀渀琀漀 猀琀漀渀攀Ⰰഊand the part that is above the water, abideth still in its kind of
਀琀爀攀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 氀愀欀攀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀昀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀漀甀 琀栀爀漀眀攀猀琀 爀漀搀猀 漀昀ഊhazel, it turneth those rods into ash: and ayenward if ye cast ashen
਀爀漀搀猀 琀栀攀爀攀椀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 琀甀爀渀 椀渀琀漀 栀愀稀攀氀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀椀渀 戀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 搀攀愀搀ഊcarrions never rot: but abide there always uncorrupt Also in Ireland is
਀愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 椀猀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 洀攀渀 搀椀攀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀 漀瘀攀爀挀漀洀攀 眀椀琀栀ഊage, they be borne out of that island to die without.  In Ireland is no
਀猀攀爀瀀攀渀琀Ⰰ 渀漀 昀爀漀最猀Ⰰ 渀漀爀 瘀攀渀攀洀漀甀猀 愀搀搀攀爀挀漀瀀㬀 戀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 氀愀渀搀 椀猀 猀漀ഊcontrary to venemous beasts that if the earth of that land be brought
਀椀渀琀漀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀瀀爀漀渀最攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀氀愀礀攀琀栀 猀攀爀瀀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀ഊtoads. Also venemous beasts flee Irish wool, skins, and fells. And if
਀猀攀爀瀀攀渀琀猀 漀爀 琀漀愀搀猀 戀攀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 椀渀琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 戀礀 猀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 搀椀攀 愀渀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀匀漀氀椀渀甀猀 猀瀀攀愀欀攀琀栀 漀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀愀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 椀渀栀愀戀椀琀愀渀琀猀 琀栀攀爀攀漀昀 戀攀ഊfierce, and lead an unhuman life.  The people there use to
਀栀愀爀戀漀甀爀 渀漀 最甀攀猀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 戀攀 眀愀爀爀椀漀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀爀椀渀欀 洀攀渀✀猀 戀氀漀漀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀ഊslay, and wash first their faces therewith: right and unright they take
਀昀漀爀 漀渀攀⸀ ⸀ ⸀ ⸀ 䴀攀渀 漀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 戀攀 猀椀渀最甀氀愀爀氀礀 挀氀漀琀栀攀搀 愀渀搀 甀渀猀攀攀洀氀礀 愀爀爀愀礀攀搀ഊand scarcely fed, they be cruel of heart, fierce of cheer, angry of
਀猀瀀攀攀挀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀栀愀爀瀀⸀  一愀琀栀氀攀猀猀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀 昀爀攀攀 栀攀愀爀琀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀愀椀爀 漀昀 猀瀀攀攀挀栀ഊand goodly to their own nation, and namely those men that dwell in
਀眀漀漀搀猀Ⰰ 洀愀爀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀猀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 洀攀渀 戀攀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 昀氀攀猀栀Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰഊand fruit for meat, and with milk for drink: and give them more to plays
਀愀渀搀 琀漀 栀甀渀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀愀渀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 愀渀搀 琀爀愀瘀愀椀氀⸀ഊ
਀䈀愀爀琀栀漀氀漀洀攀眀 䄀渀最氀椀挀甀猀∀ഊ  [A quote from period. Submitted by Brent Hanner 
਀                            㰀戀攀栀愀渀渀攀爀 愀琀 挀愀猀琀氀攀氀椀攀挀栀琀攀渀猀琀攀椀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀崀ഊ
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਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: jaymin at maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䤀爀椀猀栀 倀攀爀猀漀渀愀 䠀攀氀瀀 一攀攀搀攀搀℀ഊOrganization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㤀㨀㔀㌀㨀㄀㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊKeywords: surnames, garb
਀ഊ> What I'm having no luck with is costuming and "last names" (chiefly the
਀㸀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀猀 昀漀爀 猀甀挀栀 渀愀洀攀猀 椀渀 ㄀㄀琀栀 ⴀ ㄀㌀琀栀 挀⸀ 䔀椀爀攀⤀⸀⸀⸀ 䌀漀甀氀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊ> recommend a book or two that talks about naming practices (especially
਀㸀 ⨀氀愀猀琀⨀ 渀愀洀攀猀㬀 琀栀攀 䘀椀搀攀氀洀愀 䴀愀最甀椀爀攀 愀渀搀 䐀漀渀渀挀栀愀搀栀 伀⼀ 䌀漀爀爀愀⼀椀渀 戀漀漀欀 椀猀 渀漀ഊ> help in that regard)...
਀ऀ䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀渀搀椀猀瀀攀渀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀漀氀猀 昀漀爀 挀爀攀愀琀椀渀最 䤀爀椀猀栀ഊpersonas are the various "Annals of Ireland". I have the Annals of
਀䤀渀渀椀猀昀愀氀氀攀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䄀渀渀愀氀猀 漀昀 䌀漀渀渀愀挀栀琀⸀ 䐀漀渀✀琀 戀攀 洀椀猀氀攀愀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀ഊnames, they have very little to do with the area they are named after.
਀ऀ吀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 樀漀甀爀渀愀氀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 洀漀渀欀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀戀戀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊwrite down a few paragraphs each year of what they though was important.
਀䤀渀渀椀猀栀昀愀氀氀攀渀 挀漀瘀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀戀漀甀琀 㐀㌀　 琀漀 ㄀㈀㜀　 愀渀搀 䌀漀渀渀愀挀栀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀猀 ㄀㈀　　 琀漀ഊ1400 (or thereabouts).
਀ऀ吀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 ⨀戀爀椀氀氀椀愀渀琀⨀ 猀漀甀爀挀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 昀甀氀氀 漀昀 渀愀洀攀猀ഊof all sorts of people with a massive name index in the back. Instant
਀椀爀爀攀昀甀琀愀戀氀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 夀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀椀琀 搀漀眀渀 愀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 眀栀愀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀ഊin your persona's life time from a contemporary point of view.
਀ऀ一攀攀搀氀攀猀猀 琀漀 猀愀礀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 眀漀攀昀甀氀氀礀 椀渀愀挀挀甀爀愀琀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀ഊthings but then your persona would be equally ignorant. One entry catalogs
਀愀 㐀　✀ 琀愀氀氀 眀漀洀愀渀 眀愀猀栀椀渀最 甀瀀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀栀漀爀攀猀 漀昀 匀挀漀琀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 挀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀猀ഊthe King of Alba gifting Brian Boru with a camel. Good stuff.
਀ഊArval writes:
਀㸀䤀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 椀渀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 ∀猀甀爀渀愀洀攀猀∀ 愀猀 猀甀挀栀⸀ഊ	In the Annals people are usually "Blah, son of blah". Clan
਀愀昀昀椀氀椀愀琀椀漀渀猀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 戀礀 挀漀渀琀攀砀琀 漀爀 戀礀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀甀琀ഊthe geneologies to the many "Blah, king of blah".
਀ഊ>For a woman, the standard patronymic form is
਀㸀∀渀椀 㰀昀愀琀栀攀爀✀猀 渀愀洀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 最攀渀椀琀椀瘀攀 昀漀爀洀㸀∀⸀ഊ	Actually I've poured through the annals and never found anything
਀氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀猀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 眀漀洀攀渀✀猀 渀愀洀攀猀 戀甀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 漀渀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀ഊfound so far has been "Blah daugheter of blah" in the Irish as
਀∀戀氀愀栀 椀渀最攀渀 戀氀愀栀∀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀猀 搀漀攀猀 ∀渀椀∀ 漀爀 ∀渀椀挀∀ 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 椀渀㼀ഊ
਀伀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 瀀漀猀琀攀爀㨀ഊ> What I'm having no luck with is costuming and "last names"
਀ऀ䌀漀猀琀甀洀椀渀最 椀猀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 昀攀眀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊWhat period did you have in mind? There is a book on Anglo-Norman
਀猀挀甀氀瀀琀甀爀攀⸀⸀⸀ 伀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 琀眀漀 琀栀攀漀爀椀攀猀㨀ഊ	1) Take English fashion of fifty to a hundred earlier that
਀礀漀甀爀 䤀爀椀猀栀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀⸀ഊ	2) Use English Fashion if you are from Leinster, Scotish
਀昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 昀爀漀洀 唀氀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 昀愀猀椀漀渀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 昀爀漀洀 䴀甀渀猀琀攀爀Ⰰഊand Spanish fashion if you are from Connacht.
਀ഊ	In any event, don't forget there is a SCA Shire in Ireland.
਀圀攀✀爀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀搀 琀漀 氀攀渀搀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 栀愀渀搀 眀攀 挀愀渀 琀漀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀椀琀栀ഊIrish personas...
਀ഊ		Yours in service,
਀ऀऀऀऀऀ匀攀愀洀甀猀 䐀漀渀渀ഊ
਀    ─ऀ   匀攀愀洀甀猀 䐀漀渀渀ऀऀ䔀瘀愀 搀攀 䈀愀爀爀椀            匀漀爀挀栀愀 唀椀✀ 䘀氀愀栀愀椀爀琀攀愀椀最栀ഊ   %|%	   Jo Jaquinta		Cathy Barry             Lesley Grant
਀⼀尀尀 簀 ⼀⼀尀  樀愀礀洀椀渀 愀琀 洀愀琀栀猀⸀琀挀搀⸀椀攀ऀ挀戀愀爀爀礀 愀琀 洀愀琀栀猀⸀琀挀搀⸀椀攀ऀ氀最爀愀渀琀 愀琀 洀愀琀栀猀⸀琀挀搀⸀椀攀ഊ  =====			44 Bancroft Avenue, Tallaght, Dublin 24, Ireland.
਀   ⼀簀尀ऀऀऀ昀漀爀 琀栀攀 匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 䰀漀甀最栀 䐀攀瘀渀愀爀攀攀 ⠀䰀漀甀最栀 䐀愀洀栀 渀愀 刀椀✀⤀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: sm at teleport.com (Scott A. MacHaffie)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Irish Social History
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㐀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㘀㨀㄀㘀㨀㄀㔀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊOrganization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016
਀ഊOne book of Irish history, at a popular level, is "The Story of
਀琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 刀愀挀攀Ⰰ∀ 戀礀 匀攀甀洀愀猀 䴀愀挀䴀愀渀甀猀Ⰰ 吀栀攀 䐀攀瘀椀渀ⴀ䄀搀愀椀爀 䌀漀⸀ⰀഊOld Greenwich, Connecticut, 1986.  ISBN: 0-517-064081.  This book
਀栀愀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀⸀ഊ
਀䄀 瘀攀爀礀 最漀漀搀 戀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 攀愀爀氀礀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 ⠀㘀琀栀ⴀ㄀㄀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⤀ 椀猀ഊ"Social History of Ancient Ireland," by PW Joyce.  This book is
਀愀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 戀漀漀欀 眀椀琀栀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀匀挀漀琀琀 䴀愀挀䠀愀昀昀椀攀ഊ-- 
਀猀洀 愀琀 琀攀氀攀瀀漀爀琀⸀挀漀洀  倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 唀猀攀爀 ⴀⴀⴀ 一漀琀 愀昀昀椀氀椀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 吀䔀䌀䠀戀漀漀欀猀ഊPortland, Oregon, where summer is the nicest half-hour all year
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀挀愀爀氀漀挀欀 愀琀 洀愀最渀甀猀⸀愀挀猀⸀漀栀椀漀ⴀ猀琀愀琀攀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䨀愀洀攀猀 刀 䌀愀爀氀漀挀欀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䤀爀椀猀栀 匀漀挀椀愀氀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊDate: 25 Oct 1994 12:32:17 -0400
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀ഊ
਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 昀爀漀洀 吀漀椀爀爀搀攀氀戀愀挀栀℀ഊ     Scott Mahaffie recommends P.W. Joyce's A SOCIAL HISTORY OF ANCIENT IRELAND
਀愀猀 愀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 眀漀爀欀㼀  䤀 眀椀氀氀 愀最爀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 䨀漀礀挀攀 眀愀猀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀椀猀ഊhistory and used copious references, but I would suggest against using his work
਀愀猀 漀渀攀✀猀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 愀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀⸀  䠀椀猀 椀搀攀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 䤀爀椀猀栀 搀爀攀猀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀ഊfounded on actual articles, but rather on etymological evidence.  He even
਀戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀 挀攀氀琀椀挀 䤀爀椀猀栀 眀漀爀攀 欀椀氀琀猀℀  吀栀攀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 栀攀 甀猀攀猀 琀漀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀ഊa line drawing of a late-period shrine made on the continent, which features
਀猀漀洀攀 洀攀渀 椀渀 眀栀愀琀 愀琀 昀椀爀猀琀 最氀愀渀挀攀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 琀漀 戀攀 琀漀瀀氀攀猀猀 猀欀椀爀琀猀 戀甀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 愀爀攀渀✀琀⸀ഊ     Joyce shows all the limitations and biases of a 19th century historian.
਀唀猀攀 栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀 愀猀 愀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀洀愀爀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最ഊhe says without checking the primary sources first.
਀ഊ                              With no disrespect to Mr. Mahaffie or Dr. Joyce,
਀ഊ                                             Toirrdelbach
਀                                             洀欀愀 䨀椀洀 䌀愀爀氀漀挀欀ഊ
਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀愀琀栀愀氀 愀琀 渀攀琀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䨀愀洀攀猀 倀爀愀琀琀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Help out a Newbie?
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 一䔀吀䌀伀䴀 伀渀ⴀ氀椀渀攀 䌀漀洀洀甀渀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀 ⠀㐀　㠀 ㈀㘀㄀ⴀ㐀㜀　　 最甀攀猀琀⤀ഊDate: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:19:16 GMT
਀ഊ: 	Good Milord:
਀㨀ऀऀ圀䔀䰀䌀伀䴀䔀 吀伀 吀䠀䔀匀䔀 䌀唀刀刀䔀一吀 䴀䤀䐀䐀䰀䔀 䄀䜀䔀匀℀ഊ: 			Being of Danish/Irish extraction you are
਀㨀 ऀ眀栀愀琀 眀攀 猀漀渀猀 漀昀 䔀爀椀渀 挀愀氀氀 愀 䘀椀渀最愀氀氀 ⠀氀椀最栀琀 栀愀椀爀攀搀 昀漀爀攀椀最渀攀爀⤀ഊ:  	as opposed to the Dubhgall (dark haired foreigner/Norwegian).
਀㨀  ऀ䈀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 愀猀椀搀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 眀漀爀欀猀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀ഊ: 	help:
਀㨀  ऀऀ䤀刀䤀匀䠀 一䄀䴀䔀匀 䄀一䐀 匀唀刀一䄀䴀䔀匀 戀礀 倀愀爀琀椀挀 圀漀甀氀昀攀ഊ: 		Genealogical Pbl. Co., Baltimore, 1969
਀㨀 ഊ: 		A SOCIAL HISTORY OF ANCIENT IRELAND by P.W. Joyce
਀㨀 ऀऀ䰀漀渀最洀愀渀Ⰰ 䜀爀攀攀渀攀 ☀ 䌀漀⸀Ⰰ 䰀漀渀搀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㄀㌀ഊ: 
਀㨀 ऀऀ䤀刀䔀䰀䄀一䐀 䈀䔀䘀伀刀䔀 吀䠀䔀 嘀䤀䬀䤀一䜀匀 戀礀 䜀攀愀爀漀椀搀 䴀愀挀 一椀挀漀愀椀氀氀ഊ: 		Gill and MacMillan, Ltd.,1972
਀㨀ऀऀ⠀䜀椀氀氀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 瘀漀氀⸀ ㄀⤀ഊ: 
਀㨀 ऀऀ伀䰀䐀 䤀刀䤀匀䠀 䄀一䐀 䠀䤀䜀䠀䰀䄀一䐀 䐀刀䔀匀匀 戀礀 䠀⸀䘀⸀ 䴀挀䌀氀椀渀琀漀挀欀ഊ: 		Dundalgan Press, Dundalk, 1943.
਀㨀 ഊ: 		Most larger University libraries should have these works
਀㨀 ऀ漀爀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 愀挀挀攀猀猀 琀栀攀洀 戀礀 䤀䰀䰀⸀  倀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀昀漀 挀愀渀 戀攀 ഊ: 	obtained from THE KNOWN WORLD HANDBOOK.  This is available from
਀㨀 ऀ琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 匀琀漀挀欀 䌀氀攀爀欀 ⠀猀攀攀 礀漀甀爀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䘀䄀儀ഊ: 	on this news group for the mailing address.)
਀㨀 ऀऀ䴀礀 戀攀猀琀 愀搀瘀椀挀攀 琀漀 愀渀礀 渀攀眀挀漀洀攀爀 椀猀㨀 䐀伀一吀 䈀䔀 䄀䘀刀䄀䤀䐀 吀伀 䄀匀䬀ഊ: 	QUESTIONS!  No-one will bite your head off----maybe talk your
਀㨀 ऀ攀愀爀 漀昀昀ⴀⴀⴀ椀昀 礀漀甀 愀猀欀 愀渀 栀漀渀攀猀琀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀⸀  䠀愀瘀攀 昀甀渀Ⰰ 氀攀愀爀渀 愀渀搀ഊ: 	be welcome.
਀㨀 ऀऀऀ匀愀氀瘀攀Ⰰഊ: 			Master Cathal Mac Edan na faeled,
਀㨀 ऀऀऀ䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀漀甀琀栀 䐀漀眀渀猀Ⰰ 䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀㨀 ऀ伀伀伀倀匀℀ഊ: 	      	I should proof my own postings more carefully.  The
਀㨀 ऀ挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 甀猀愀最攀 椀猀㨀ഊ: 		Finghall/Fingal-light haired foreigners=Norwegians
਀㨀 ऀऀ䐀甀戀栀最愀氀氀⼀䐀甀最栀愀氀ⴀ搀愀爀欀 栀愀椀爀攀搀 昀漀爀攀椀最渀攀爀猀㴀䐀愀渀攀猀ഊ:	MEA CULPA!!
਀㨀 ऀऀ䌀䄀吀䠀䄀䰀⸀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: sclark at blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Carroll-Clark)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Help on garb
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㘀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 　㄀㨀㐀㤀㨀㈀㈀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of Toronto -- EPAS
਀ഊGreetings!
਀ऀ䈀礀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀爀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 甀瀀瀀攀爀 氀攀瘀攀氀猀 漀昀 䤀爀椀猀栀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀ഊbeen very influenced by English court styles.  The influence would likely
਀戀攀 洀漀爀攀 瀀爀漀渀漀甀渀挀攀搀 椀渀 愀爀攀愀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 琀愀欀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 一漀爀洀愀渀猀 愀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀ഊor so earlier.  In any case,  we're talking about tunics--looser sleeves
਀攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 琀椀最栀琀攀爀 琀漀眀愀爀搀猀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 愀 最甀礀 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀ഊknee and ankle length (depending on the specific period).  If reflecting
਀甀瀀瀀攀爀 挀氀愀猀猀 琀爀攀渀搀猀Ⰰ 礀漀甀✀搀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 愀氀猀漀 愀搀搀 愀 猀甀爀挀漀琀攀⼀最愀爀搀攀挀漀爀瀀猀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀ഊtowards the end of period.
਀ऀ圀栀椀挀栀 戀漀漀欀 搀漀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀㼀  吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 渀漀 漀渀攀 猀椀渀最氀攀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀 猀漀甀爀挀攀ഊfor the period, but the Cunninghams' _English Medieval Costume_ is pretty
਀最漀漀搀⸀ഊ
਀䌀栀攀攀爀猀℀ഊNicolaa/Susan
਀猀挀氀愀爀欀 愀琀 攀瀀愀猀⸀甀琀漀爀漀渀琀漀⸀挀愀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: IMC at vax2.utulsa.edu (I. Marc Carlson)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: re: Help on garb
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㌀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㌀㨀㌀㌀㨀㈀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
਀ഊ<Brent Hughes <bhughes at ashley.business.uwo.ca>>
਀㸀䤀✀瘀攀 樀甀猀琀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 樀漀椀渀攀搀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀洀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀⸀  ഊ>The problem I've run into right now is appropriate garb.  I'm looking at a 
਀㸀氀愀琀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䈀愀爀搀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊ>I'm unsure as to whether English fashion would have applied to Ireland, 
਀㸀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 䜀愀攀氀椀挀ⴀ䤀爀椀猀栀⸀  䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀愀猀 愀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 攀ⴀ洀愀椀氀 洀攀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 椀猀 渀漀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䴀伀匀吀 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䜀愀攀氀椀挀ⴀ䤀爀椀猀栀⸀ഊYou might try for a more Norman dress when you are visiting the Big City,
਀戀甀琀 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀攀 一漀爀洀愀渀 氀漀爀搀猀 琀攀渀搀攀搀 琀漀 眀攀愀爀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀猀ഊof the attire of the locals (although by the late 13th C, that transition
਀洀椀最栀琀 渀漀 礀攀琀 戀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀⤀⸀ഊ
਀吀爀礀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 愀 戀漀漀欀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 ∀伀氀搀 䤀爀椀猀栀 愀渀搀 䠀椀最栀氀愀渀搀 䐀爀攀猀猀∀ഊby a man named McClintock.  I'll see if I can dig something up that's
਀洀漀爀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀⸀ഊ
਀䤀✀氀氀 眀愀爀渀 礀漀甀 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 䤀爀椀猀栀 最愀爀戀 挀愀渀 戀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 甀最氀礀 ⠀猀漀 猀瀀攀愀欀猀 琀栀攀 猀挀栀漀氀愀爀ഊwho dresses like the French he lives among :) ).
਀ഊ"Mihi Satis Apparet Propter     Diarmuit Ui Dhuinn
਀  匀攀 䤀瀀猀甀洀 䄀瀀瀀攀琀攀渀搀愀 匀愀瀀椀攀渀琀椀愀∀ऀ唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 一漀爀琀栀欀攀攀瀀ഊ -- St. Dunstan			Northkeepshire, Ansteorra
਀ऀऀऀऀ⠀䤀⸀ 䴀愀爀挀 䌀愀爀氀猀漀渀⼀䤀䴀䌀 愀琀 瘀愀砀㈀⸀甀琀甀氀猀愀⸀攀搀甀⤀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: IMC at vax2.utulsa.edu (I. Marc Carlson)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: re: Help on garb
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㘀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㔀㨀　㜀㨀㌀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
਀ഊ<Nicolaa<Susan Carroll-Clark <sclark at blues.epas.utoronto.ca>>>
਀㸀䈀礀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀爀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 甀瀀瀀攀爀 氀攀瘀攀氀猀 漀昀 䤀爀椀猀栀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊ>have been very influenced by English court styles....
਀ഊI'm afraid that I really must disagree, at least with the statement
਀琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 挀漀甀爀琀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀ഊsome influence from the continent, but it is really quite minimal,
਀漀爀 猀漀 椀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 洀攀⸀ഊ
਀䤀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䰀攀椀渀攀 ⠀愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀漀洀戀 猀挀甀氀瀀琀甀爀攀猀⤀ 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀ഊfairly standard well into the 1500s.  There is a tomb of a Norman
਀䤀爀椀猀栀 渀漀戀氀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 搀愀琀攀搀 挀㄀㈀㌀　 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 栀椀洀 猀栀漀眀渀 挀氀攀愀爀氀礀 椀渀 愀渀ഊankle length pleated Leine, although the sleeves are, in fact,
਀琀椀最栀琀氀礀 挀甀昀昀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 栀椀猀 眀爀椀猀琀猀⸀  䈀礀 ㄀㌀　　Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 氀攀椀渀攀Ⰰഊstill evidences by all the material has shortened to just above the
਀栀愀氀昀ⴀ戀漀漀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 搀攀攀瀀氀礀 ∀嘀∀ 挀漀氀氀愀爀攀搀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 眀栀愀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 愀渀ഊundershirt.  Neither outfit is worn belted, BTW.  Over the next 150 year, 
਀琀栀攀 漀甀琀昀椀琀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 漀渀攀 爀攀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 ഊthat shows one of those triangular belt pouches (c1450) worn over the 
਀猀栀漀甀氀搀攀爀 愀猀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 瀀甀爀猀攀⸀ഊ
਀䈀吀圀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 䴀挀䌀氀椀渀琀漀挀欀Ⰰ 琀栀攀猀攀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 挀漀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀ഊmarvelous 2 colume set:
਀ഊHunt, John.  Irish Medieval Figure Sculpture, 1200-1600, a study of
਀     䤀爀椀猀栀 琀漀洀戀猀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀琀攀猀 漀渀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀 愀渀搀 愀爀洀漀爀⸀  䐀甀戀氀椀渀㨀 䤀爀椀猀栀ഊ     University Press, 1972.
਀ഊ"Mihi Satis Apparet Propter     Diarmuit Ui Dhuinn
਀  匀攀 䤀瀀猀甀洀 䄀瀀瀀攀琀攀渀搀愀 匀愀瀀椀攀渀琀椀愀∀ऀ唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 一漀爀琀栀欀攀攀瀀ഊ -- St. Dunstan			Northkeepshire, Ansteorra
਀ऀऀऀऀ⠀䤀⸀ 䴀愀爀挀 䌀愀爀氀猀漀渀⼀䤀䴀䌀 愀琀 瘀愀砀㈀⸀甀琀甀氀猀愀⸀攀搀甀⤀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: sclark at blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Carroll-Clark)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Help on garb
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㤀㨀㈀　㨀㔀㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of Toronto -- EPAS
਀ഊGreetings!
਀ऀ䄀 挀愀瘀攀愀琀㨀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 猀琀甀搀椀攀搀 䤀爀椀猀栀 最愀爀戀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀礀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀ഊstatements did not apply to majority of Irish society--just the
਀栀椀最栀攀猀琀 氀攀瘀攀氀猀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 猀琀爀椀挀琀氀礀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀  䤀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀ഊme that the idea of "national styles" really gets going in the 14th century.
਀䈀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀Ⰰ 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 眀攀愀爀椀渀最 ∀猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀ഊcut" garments--variations on tunics/robes, with the main differences being
਀琀栀攀 琀椀最栀琀渀攀猀猀 椀渀 戀漀琀栀 戀漀搀礀 愀渀搀 猀氀攀攀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 渀攀挀欀栀漀氀攀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊlength, as well as decoration and ornament (this is where you see your
਀最爀攀愀琀攀猀琀 爀攀最椀漀渀愀氀 瘀愀爀椀愀琀椀漀渀⤀⸀  䘀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ㄀㈀㔀　 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 䘀爀愀渀挀攀ഊand Germany (for women) favour a robe belted at the waist with tight
਀氀漀眀攀爀 猀氀攀攀瘀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 爀漀戀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 昀愀戀爀椀挀 椀渀 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊfabric blouses over the belt.  The sleeveless surcote is just coming
਀椀渀琀漀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀⸀  吀栀攀 洀愀椀渀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 匀瀀愀椀渀ⴀⴀ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 匀瀀愀椀渀ഊis its own little world costume-wise--they seem to have liked side-laced
਀猀甀爀挀漀琀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 昀椀琀 琀椀最栀琀氀礀⸀  匀琀礀氀攀猀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀ഊare so similar that it would be difficult to detect whether influence
਀眀愀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䌀漀渀琀椀渀攀渀琀 漀爀 昀爀漀洀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 漀渀 䤀爀椀猀栀 搀爀攀猀猀⸀ ⠀䤀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 眀攀氀氀 戀攀ഊeither).
਀ऀ吀栀攀 洀愀椀渀 琀栀椀渀最 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 搀漀甀戀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀栀攀ഊcut of Irish clothing was vastly different than that of English clothing.
਀一漀眀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 挀漀洀戀椀渀攀搀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 樀攀眀攀氀氀攀爀礀⼀戀攀氀琀猀⼀搀攀挀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀ഊmight have been quite a bit different.  But from the description given
਀漀昀 琀栀攀 开氀愀椀渀攀开Ⰰ 椀琀 猀漀甀渀搀猀 氀椀欀攀 愀 瘀愀爀椀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀甀渀椀挀 琀栀攀洀攀⸀ഊ	National styles, BTW, interest me a great deal.  By late in
਀漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀椀愀戀氀攀ⴀⴀ椀⸀攀⸀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 琀攀氀氀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀ⰀഊEnglish, Spanish, Dutch, German, and Italian 16th century garb apart;
਀戀甀琀 椀渀 洀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⠀㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⤀Ⰰ 攀砀挀攀瀀琀 昀漀爀 匀瀀愀椀渀 愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 爀攀最椀漀渀愀氀ഊdifferences in decoration, there do not yet seem to be any developed
਀渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 猀琀礀氀攀猀⸀  䌀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀㼀  䤀✀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀✀猀ഊstudyied the development of national styles.
਀ഊCheers!
਀一椀挀漀氀愀愀⼀匀甀猀愀渀ഊCanton of Eoforwic
਀猀挀氀愀爀欀 愀琀 攀瀀愀猀⸀甀琀漀爀漀渀琀漀⸀挀愀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: lyon at infi.net at infi.net
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Irish Garb
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㔀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㈀　㨀㈀㐀㨀㔀　 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: InfiNet
਀ഊYou should try to get a copy of "Dress in Ireland" by Mairead Dunlevy.  
਀䤀琀 最椀瘀攀猀 最漀漀搀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀猀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 猀琀愀爀琀 愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㔀　　⸀  䜀漀漀搀 ഊluck!  If you find pictures or other info for earlier, please post here.  
਀䤀✀搀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀℀ഊ
਀䄀渀搀爀攀愀ഊandreah at cpsnet.com
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䤀爀椀猀栀 渀愀洀攀 焀甀攀爀礀 ⠀眀愀猀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 匀挀漀琀琀椀猀栀 渀愀洀攀猀⤀ഊDate: 11 Nov 1995 23:09:57 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀䰀椀氀愀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀猀 ⠀氀椀氀愀 愀琀 氀礀渀砀⸀䌀伀⸀一娀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<discussion of feminine Gaelic patronyms>
਀ഊ: OK.  Now I'm *completely* confused!  For lo these many years, I have been
਀㨀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 䌀愀椀琀氀椀渀 渀椀 䌀甀洀栀愀椀氀氀⸀  䤀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀搀 ✀洀愀挀 䌀甀洀栀愀椀氀氀✀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀ഊ: wished to imply descent from Fionn (Finn?) mac Cumhaill, but at some stage I
਀㨀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 椀渀挀漀爀爀攀挀琀⸀  匀漀 ⸀⸀⸀ 愀洀 䤀 爀椀最栀琀 椀渀 愀猀猀甀洀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀ഊ: explanation that 'ni Cumhaill' refers to me as a descendant of Cumhaill?
਀ഊYes, that's exactly right. "ni/ Cumhaill" means "female descendent of 
਀䌀甀洀栀愀氀氀∀⸀ 䄀猀 戀攀猀琀 䤀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 椀洀瀀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 ഊname, you are doing it correctly.
਀ഊ: And if so, how would I say I'm a descendant of 'mac Cumhaill'?
਀ഊThere's no reason to do it any differently. If you wanted to say 
਀猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀 漀昀 愀 洀愀渀 猀甀爀渀愀洀攀搀 ∀洀愀挀 䌀甀洀栀愀椀氀氀∀Ⰰ ഊyou could instead use "inghean mhic Cumhaill", but if you just want 
਀∀渀攀戀甀氀漀甀猀氀礀 搀椀猀琀愀渀琀 搀攀猀挀攀渀搀攀渀琀∀ 琀栀攀渀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 ∀椀渀最栀攀愀渀 甀椀∀ 漀爀 琀栀攀 猀栀漀爀琀 ഊform "ni" says what you want to say.
਀ഊ:  Caitlin is
਀㨀 㜀琀栀 䌀 䤀爀椀猀栀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀愀椀氀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 攀愀爀氀礀 眀椀氀氀 搀漀⸀ഊ
਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀琀攀 琀漀 搀椀猀愀戀甀猀攀 礀漀甀 漀昀 琀栀攀 渀漀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 ഊimpossible for "Caitlin" to be a 7th century Irish name. The cult of St. 
਀䬀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀攀搀 椀渀 匀礀爀椀愀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 甀渀琀椀氀 ഊthe crusades. The name Katherine, in any of its variants, would not have 
਀戀攀攀渀 欀渀漀眀渀 椀渀 㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀⸀ഊ
਀㨀 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 愀搀搀 ✀漀昀 ⠀漀爀 昀爀漀洀⤀ 琀栀攀 圀椀渀搀猀眀攀瀀琀 䴀漀漀爀✀ ⠀椀琀✀猀 戀攀攀渀 戀氀漀眀椀渀最 愀ഊ: near-gale outside all day today!) or something close, but I haven't a clue
਀㨀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 猀琀愀爀琀⸀ഊ
਀伀栀瀀氀攀愀猀攀最漀搀渀漀⸀ 䐀漀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 愀 渀愀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 甀猀攀搀 戀礀 ഊa period Irishwoman or do you want a name that couldn't possibly exist 
਀漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 漀昀 愀 戀愀搀 昀愀渀琀愀猀礀 渀漀瘀攀氀㼀 䴀礀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 栀愀猀 昀漀甀渀搀 氀漀挀愀琀椀瘀攀 渀椀挀欀渀愀洀攀猀 ഊto be extremely rare in Irish. The ones that I _have_ found are generally 
਀搀攀爀椀瘀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀 渀愀洀攀猀 漀昀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 昀愀渀挀椀昀甀氀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ
਀㨀  伀渀攀 欀椀渀搀 最攀渀琀氀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 ✀匀氀椀愀戀栀✀ 昀漀爀 ✀洀漀漀爀✀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀 猀愀椀搀ഊ: it also means 'mountain', so I'm not sure.
਀ഊYup, "sliabh" can mean either "moor" or "mountain". Probably it would be 
਀戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 愀猀 ∀栀椀最栀 攀氀攀瘀愀琀椀漀渀∀⸀ 吀栀攀 洀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀猀 椀渀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 ഊparticularly mountainous by most standards. There are a number of place 
਀渀愀洀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 ∀猀氀椀愀戀栀∀ ⴀⴀ 䠀漀最愀渀✀猀 ∀伀渀漀洀愀猀琀椀挀漀渀 ഊGoedelicum" has eight pages of listings of "Sliabh <some modifying 
਀瀀栀爀愀猀攀㸀∀Ⰰ 甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀 洀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀 椀猀渀✀琀 昀氀甀攀渀琀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 猀欀椀洀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀渀搀 ഊget a sense of what sort of modifiers are used except that the majority 
਀猀攀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 渀愀洀攀猀 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀Ⰰ ∀猀漀ⴀ愀渀搀ⴀ猀漀✀猀 猀氀椀愀戀栀∀⤀⸀ഊ
਀吀愀渀最眀礀猀琀礀氀 瘀攀爀挀栀 䴀漀爀最愀渀琀 䜀氀愀猀瘀爀礀渀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: Christopher Allen Owens <cowens at netset.com>
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: SCA suggestions for trip to UK?
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㔀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　㘀㨀㈀　㨀㌀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: NetSet Internet Services -- Columbus, Ohio
਀ഊtalis87346 at aol.com (Talis87346) wrote:
਀㸀ഊ> My lord and I are traveling to England, Scotland, and Dublin in the fall,
਀㸀 愀渀搀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 椀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀 瘀椀猀椀琀攀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 栀愀猀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀ഊ> about places of especial interest to Scadians.
਀ഊIf you are planning on spending any time in Ireland and don't mind "roughing-it"
਀琀爀礀 琀漀 最漀 琀漀 䬀椀氀氀欀攀渀渀礀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀琀愀礀 愀琀 琀栀攀 氀漀挀愀氀 礀漀甀琀栀 栀漀猀琀攀氀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 愀 挀漀渀瘀攀爀琀攀搀 ㄀㔀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 昀漀爀琀椀昀椀攀搀 洀愀渀漀爀⸀ 䌀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 最爀漀眀渀ⴀ漀瘀攀爀 眀愀氀氀猀 愀渀搀 愀 最甀愀爀搀ⴀ栀漀甀猀攀⼀戀椀挀礀挀氀攀 猀栀攀搀⸀ ഊ
਀ഊFrom: JWSCHM00 at ukcc.uky.edu
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: re: Suggestions for trip to the UK
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 䴀愀礀 㤀㘀 ㄀㈀㨀㔀㔀㨀㈀㈀ 䔀䐀吀ഊOrganization: The University of Kentucky
਀ഊGreetings,
਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 氀漀猀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 瀀漀猀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀攀 最攀渀琀氀攀猀 椀渀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀ഊwere visiting Dublin.
਀ ഊIf so, a decent place to visit is Dublinia "a bridge to the medieval past".
਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 氀漀挀愀琀攀搀 漀渀 匀琀⸀ 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀✀猀 䠀椀氀氀Ⰰ 渀攀砀琀 琀漀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀 䌀栀甀爀挀栀 䌀愀琀栀攀搀爀愀氀⸀ഊThere's a mosaic behind the ex-church (St. Michael's) where a Vikin
਀栀漀甀猀攀 眀愀猀 攀砀挀愀瘀愀琀攀搀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 椀渀氀愀礀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀眀愀氀欀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀ഊChurch that look like they represent archeological finds, but we weren't
਀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 漀甀琀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀⸀ഊ 
਀䤀昀 瘀椀猀椀琀椀渀最 夀漀爀欀Ⰰ 䤀 愀氀猀漀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 䨀漀爀瘀椀欀⸀  䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 最漀 搀漀眀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊfoundations of the York Minster, you can see neat things like the
਀漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 一漀爀洀愀渀 昀漀甀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 愀 刀漀洀愀渀 爀漀愀搀 琀栀攀礀 攀砀挀愀瘀愀琀攀搀 眀栀攀渀 爀攀ⴀ搀漀椀渀最ഊthe foundations.
਀ ഊJean Schmeisser -- Kriemhilde von Habichtslager
਀䐀爀愀最漀渀猀洀愀爀欀 ⴀⴀ 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: cromabu at aol.com (CromAbu)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Ireland
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㘀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㈀㨀㈀㤀㨀㐀㄀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
਀ഊThere are many good books on the period that can be found just browsing at
਀琀栀攀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 ⴀⴀⴀ 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 刀愀挀攀 Ⰰ 䄀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 Ⰰ 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀ഊin Tudor Times , and anything by Geraldus Cabriensis.  Also look into
਀戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 䤀爀椀猀栀 昀漀氀欀 琀愀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 䴀礀琀栀漀氀漀最礀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀渀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀椀渀搀猀攀琀⸀ ഊ(Histories by English authors sometimes are a bit one sided , ....I wonder
਀眀栀礀㼀⠀ 䠀攀攀 䠀攀攀 䠀攀攀℀℀℀⤀⸀  夀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 搀漀 愀 戀椀琀 漀昀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀漀ഊget more specific in your request for info , your at square one and asking
਀∀眀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 甀渀椀瘀攀爀猀攀∀⸀     匀椀爀 昀椀琀稀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: lynch_c at csvax1.ucc.ie (Conor James Lynch)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Ireland
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀㄀ 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㈀㨀㄀㘀㨀㈀　 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Computer Science Dept. University College, Cork, Ireland.
਀ഊIn article <4oa0tl$aug at newsbf02.news.aol.com>, cromabu at aol.com (CromAbu) writes:
਀㸀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀渀礀 最漀漀搀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 戀爀漀眀猀椀渀最 愀琀ഊ>the library --- History of the Irish Race , A History of Ireland , Ireland
਀㸀椀渀 吀甀搀漀爀 吀椀洀攀猀 Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 戀礀 䜀攀爀愀氀搀甀猀 䌀愀戀爀椀攀渀猀椀猀⸀  ഊ     Sir fitz
਀ഊThe best books I have seen which details irish culture etc is Eugene O'Curry's
਀䴀愀渀渀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 挀甀猀琀漀洀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 椀爀椀猀栀 愀 ㌀ 瘀漀氀甀洀攀 猀攀琀 戀甀琀 愀渀 椀渀瘀愀氀甀愀戀氀攀ഊsource of information.
਀䌀愀琀栀愀氀 䴀愀挀䈀爀椀愀渀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: ladyallyn at aol.com (Lady Allyn)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Celtic Oaths
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㈀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　㐀㨀㔀㤀㨀㐀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
਀ഊHonorable soul,
਀ഊTry "The Social History of Ancient Ireland" by Joyce -- two volumes, VERY
਀眀攀氀氀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀Ⰰ 氀漀渀最 攀砀攀爀瀀琀猀 漀昀 䈀爀攀栀漀渀 氀愀眀 ⠀椀攀㬀 漀愀琀栀猀⤀ 愀渀搀 䠀唀䜀䔀ഊbibliography.
਀ഊPeace and Strength,
਀䄀氀氀礀渀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: "James W. Reilly" <enda at algonet.se>
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Hi!  I'm new to the SCA!
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　㄀㨀㄀㤀㨀㄀㐀 ⬀　㄀　　ഊ
਀䠀椀 琀栀攀爀攀 匀椀甀猀愀椀搀栀 愀渀搀 眀攀氀挀漀洀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰഊ
਀䤀渀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀 䤀 愀洀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 䔀渀搀愀 䴀愀挀 愀渀 䈀栀椀爀搀⠀洀甀渀搀愀渀攀氀礀 愀猀 䨀椀洀 刀攀椀氀氀礀⤀ 愀渀搀ഊI am an Irishman of the 13th C. In regards to your questions I would
਀氀椀欀攀 琀漀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 愀氀氀 愀挀琀甀愀氀椀琀礀 琀栀攀 匀挀漀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 洀攀爀攀氀礀 愀ഊdecendency of the Irish colony in Ariada(Scotland) well before what the
਀匀䌀䄀 挀愀氀氀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀 挀漀洀洀甀渀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䐀愀氀爀椀愀搀愀 眀攀爀攀ഊkept up through-out the early middle ages and that the Ulster-Irish and
਀琀栀攀 匀挀漀琀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 戀攀攀渀 愀 挀氀漀猀攀ⴀ欀渀椀琀 氀漀琀 攀瘀攀渀 眀攀氀氀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䌀爀漀洀眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ
਀䄀 瘀攀爀礀 最漀漀搀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 昀漀爀 攀愀爀氀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀攀 匀挀漀琀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊrecommend "History of the Irish Race" by Seumas MacManus. Except for his
਀猀栀攀攀爀 栀愀琀爀攀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀爀 挀栀愀瀀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀ഊresource for early Gaelic/Celtic culture which is also, and most
਀椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 瘀攀爀礀 眀攀氀氀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 椀渀 ㄀㤀㈀㄀Ⰰഊand the man made absolutely sure that anyone could check his resources
਀⠀䤀琀 椀猀 眀攀氀氀 眀漀爀琀栀 琀栀攀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀洀攀渀琀 瀀甀爀攀氀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀猀 漀昀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀ഊat the end of each chapter).
਀ഊIn regards to a name source, the easiest to recommend would be "Book of
਀䤀爀椀猀栀 一愀洀攀猀∀ 戀礀 刀漀渀愀渀 䌀漀最栀氀愀渀Ⰰ 䤀搀愀 䜀爀攀栀愀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 倀⸀圀⸀ 䨀漀礀挀攀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀ഊgood for persona names being as they have tried to date the earliest
਀愀瀀瀀攀愀爀愀渀挀攀猀 漀昀 渀愀洀攀 愀氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 洀攀愀渀⸀ 䈀攀猀琀 漀昀 愀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀 椀猀ഊeasily available from the SCA Marketplace, P.O.Box 360789, Milpitas,
਀䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 㤀㔀　㌀㘀ⴀ　㜀㠀㤀Ⰰ 琀攀氀⸀⠀㐀　㠀⤀ 㤀㔀㘀ⴀ㔀㐀㐀㐀Ⰰ⠀㠀　　⤀ 㜀㠀㤀ⴀ㜀㐀㠀㘀Ⰰ 昀愀砀⸀⠀㐀　㠀⤀ഊ263-0641. It sells for $10.00 + the usual whatever shipping.
਀ഊIf you have any further questions, need further help, or just want to
਀搀椀猀挀甀猀猀 䜀愀攀氀椀挀⼀挀攀氀琀椀挀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 漀爀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 攀氀猀攀㬀 昀攀攀氀 昀爀攀攀 琀漀ഊcontact me via the Rialto or email me.
਀ഊYour in service, 
਀䔀渀搀愀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: peterbi at microsoft.com (Peter N. Biddle)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Tower Of London and Bunratty Castle (Ireland)
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㈀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㤀㨀㌀㌀㨀㔀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Microsoft Corporation
਀ഊI visited the Tower of London (again) and Bunratty Castle (Ireland) a 
਀挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 眀攀攀欀猀 愀最漀 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 渀漀琀攀猀 琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀㨀ഊ
਀吀漀眀攀爀 ⴀ 䄀氀洀漀猀琀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀漀爀 椀猀 䜀伀一䔀⸀ 唀刀䬀℀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ഊroyal armories, one at Leeds(just outside England) and one at Portsmouth. 
਀圀栀愀琀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 椀猀 䠀攀渀爀礀 嘀䤀䤀䤀✀猀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀 愀爀洀漀爀Ⰰ 瀀氀甀猀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊmore quaint pieces form his personal armory (combined weapons like 
਀洀甀猀欀攀琀⼀猀栀椀攀氀搀猀Ⰰ 洀甀猀欀攀琀⼀洀愀挀攀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 爀愀渀搀漀洀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀 ഊlate-period tourney stuff. So you can see his famous cod-piece and the 
਀猀欀椀爀琀 愀爀洀漀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀⸀ ⠀䤀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 最漀琀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 ഊwinched-onto-the-horse story again, fortunately not by a guide but by an 
਀漀戀猀攀爀瘀攀爀⸀⤀ 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 最攀琀 琀漀 䰀攀攀搀猀 ⠀渀漀 琀椀洀攀⤀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 愀 洀愀樀漀爀 搀爀愀最⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 圀栀椀琀攀 琀漀眀攀爀 椀猀 攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 挀氀漀猀攀搀 ⴀ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀漀渀最 爀甀渀 最漀漀搀渀攀猀猀 ഊas they are renovating it so that it can be displayed as it was used 
਀漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 愀猀 漀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀椀渀最 愀渀 愀爀洀漀爀 眀愀爀攀栀漀甀猀攀⸀ഊ
਀伀渀挀攀 愀最愀椀渀 琀栀攀 ∀瀀愀氀愀挀攀∀ 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀⸀ 爀攀ⴀ攀渀愀挀琀漀爀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ഊas it was off-season, we basically had the place to ourselves. I had a 
਀氀漀渀最 琀愀氀欀 眀椀琀栀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀漀爀搀猀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀Ⰰ 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 愀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀⸀ 欀渀椀最栀琀 ⠀琀栀攀 ഊking was there as well), and got a good look at his shoes and clothes, all 
਀漀昀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 栀愀渀搀ⴀ洀愀搀攀⸀ 䠀攀 猀愀椀搀 琀栀攀 猀栀漀攀猀 栀攀 栀愀搀 ⠀愀戀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 愀渀欀氀攀 ഊturn-shoes, using button-type fasteners set to the outside, with no 
਀攀砀瀀漀猀攀搀 猀攀愀洀猀⤀ 眀攀爀攀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 愀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 搀椀最ⴀ昀椀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 ഊwere the most comfortable shoes he wore. He also showed me a period 
਀眀漀漀搀戀氀漀挀欀 漀昀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 愀 戀漀愀爀搀 最愀洀攀 猀愀渀猀 戀攀氀琀猀 ⴀ 栀攀 眀愀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊopinion that when you got home you took off the belt and the assorted 
਀愀挀挀漀甀琀攀爀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 爀攀氀愀砀Ⰰ 氀攀琀琀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 琀甀渀椀挀猀 昀愀氀氀 洀漀爀攀 氀椀欀攀 愀 搀爀攀猀猀⸀ 䠀攀 眀漀爀攀 ഊa non-hooded circle cloak (8 yards of cloth), a separate hood, a shorter 
਀漀甀琀攀爀ⴀ琀甀渀椀挀 眀椀琀栀 猀栀漀爀琀 猀氀攀攀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 愀 氀漀渀最 椀渀渀攀爀 琀甀渀椀挀Ⰰ 欀渀攀攀ⴀ栀椀最栀 栀漀猀攀⼀猀漀挀欀猀 ഊconnected to a belt, and "diaper-like" under wear (didn't see that...). 
਀一漀琀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 樀攀眀攀氀爀礀 愀猀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最 ⴀ 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 爀椀渀最猀⸀ 吀栀攀 戀攀氀琀 栀攀 眀漀爀攀 ⠀愀渀搀 ഊthe king) was quite narrow - not like most of the belts you see around an 
਀匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀ഊ
਀䈀甀渀爀愀琀琀礀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀漀氀 ⴀ 椀琀 椀猀 椀渀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 匀栀愀渀渀漀渀 愀椀爀瀀漀爀琀 愀渀搀 ഊLimerick and it has been renovated to be entirely 16th cent. (except for a 
਀昀攀眀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀 攀琀挀⸀⤀ 愀渀搀 漀氀搀攀爀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 刀䔀䄀䰀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 ഊantiques and artifacts around the place, and it definitely give you a 
਀猀攀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 昀攀攀氀⸀ 吀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀 栀愀氀氀 眀愀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 氀愀爀最攀 愀渀搀 栀愀搀 愀 昀椀爀攀 ഊcircle set in the floor of the middle of the room, with a vent in the 
਀挀攀椀氀椀渀最 ⴀ 渀漀 挀栀椀洀渀攀礀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 愀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀 挀漀甀爀戀漀甀氀氀椀 戀甀琀琀猀 ⠀戀椀最 ഊjugs) in a room but you couldn't get close to them, which caused me no end 
਀漀昀 最爀椀攀昀⸀ 吀栀攀 搀漀眀渀猀椀搀攀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 瀀氀愀挀攀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 一伀 ഊone around to answer questions. They even had several period swords, some 
਀愀爀洀漀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 挀爀漀猀猀ⴀ戀漀眀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀猀漀 欀椀氀氀攀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀猀 漀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊalas they too were off limits. (No surprise really, butt to be so close, 
਀眀椀琀栀 渀漀 漀渀攀 愀爀漀甀渀搀⸀⸀⸀⤀ 吀栀攀 攀渀漀爀洀漀甀猀 琀愀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 眀攀爀攀 昀爀攀攀 琀漀 戀攀 ഊexamined which was very cool - enormous things (maybe 14 feet long by 3 
਀昀攀攀琀 眀椀搀攀⤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀甀琀 漀昀 猀椀渀最氀攀 猀漀氀椀搀 戀漀愀爀搀猀 ㌀ⴀ㐀 椀渀挀栀攀猀 琀栀椀挀欀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 ഊheld together with pegs. The castle also has a folk-park, a turn of the 
਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀 瘀椀氀氀愀最攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 眀愀礀 挀漀漀氀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀挀愀爀礀 瀀愀爀琀 椀猀 栀漀眀 ഊmedieval the place feels - it is only 100 years old and some of the 
਀昀愀爀洀猀琀攀愀搀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 戀攀 洀椀猀琀愀欀攀渀 昀漀爀 ㄀　　　 䄀䐀⸀ 嘀攀爀礀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 洀攀琀愀氀Ⰰ ഊthatched roofs, sleep in the same room as your animals, etc. The smell of 
਀戀甀爀渀椀渀最 琀甀爀昀 眀愀猀 攀瘀攀爀礀眀栀攀爀攀 ⠀攀瘀攀爀礀 栀漀甀猀攀 栀愀搀 愀 戀甀爀渀椀渀最 瀀攀愀琀 昀椀爀攀 ⴀ 愀 瘀攀爀礀 ഊnice touch). You can get in and get your hands on a lot of cool stuff at 
਀䈀甀渀爀愀琀琀礀㬀 椀琀 椀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀漀氀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 愀渀搀 琀漀眀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 爀椀挀栀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 愀猀 愀 ഊworking military and social structure (hard to believe it has been sacked 
਀㠀 琀椀洀攀猀 ⴀ 礀漀甀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 椀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 猀愀眀 椀琀✀猀 搀攀昀攀渀猀攀猀⤀⸀ 䤀 樀甀猀琀 圀䤀匀䠀 ഊthey had some interpreters around. I am going to see if I can't find a 
਀挀甀爀愀琀漀爀 愀渀搀 栀椀琀 栀椀洀 漀爀 栀攀爀 甀瀀 昀漀爀 椀渀昀漀⸀ഊ
਀匀漀洀攀 渀漀琀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀椀爀 甀渀ⴀ戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀椀攀猀 氀椀琀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀㨀 圀漀洀攀渀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 ഊin the great hall. The Norman's were great big bastards much of the time. 
਀吀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 爀愀爀攀氀礀 最漀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀栀椀琀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 焀甀椀琀 猀焀甀愀戀戀氀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 ഊeach-other and throw the bastards out, although they did succeed on 
਀漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀氀搀椀攀爀猀 ⠀戀漀琀栀 挀漀洀洀漀渀攀爀猀⤀ 猀栀愀爀攀搀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀猀 ⠀愀 ഊsingle huge living room) but were separated by a line cut across the 
਀昀氀漀漀爀⸀ 一漀 漀渀攀 眀愀猀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 琀漀 猀椀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 䔀愀爀氀 吀栀爀漀洀漀渀搀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀 ഊduring meal times. 
਀ഊIn the same general vicinity of Bunratty are about a half-dozen or more 
਀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 爀攀ⴀ攀渀愀挀琀洀攀渀琀 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 瘀椀氀氀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀渀氀礀 䈀甀渀爀愀琀琀礀 椀猀 漀瀀攀渀 椀渀 ഊthe off season.
਀ഊColm
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀洀愀砀眀攀氀氀 愀琀 眀栀猀甀渀㄀⸀眀栀漀椀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䴀愀砀眀攀氀氀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 ㄀㌀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䠀攀氀瀀Ⰰ 倀氀攀愀猀攀ഊDate: 20 Feb 1997 17:24:28 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 圀漀漀搀猀 䠀漀氀攀 伀挀攀愀渀漀最爀愀瀀栀椀挀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀椀漀渀ഊ
਀䌀漀漀氀攀礀 ⠀昀爀攀礀愀挀 愀琀 洀椀渀搀猀瀀爀椀渀最⸀挀漀洀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ
਀㨀       䤀 愀洀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 攀猀琀愀戀氀椀猀栀 洀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀洀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀椀攀猀⸀ഊ: Thus I turn to you in the hope that you will lend me your aid and
਀㨀 眀椀猀搀漀洀⸀  䤀 渀攀攀搀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 漀渀 琀栀攀 搀愀椀氀礀 氀椀瘀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 椀渀ഊ: this period.  What they ate, how they dressed, etc.  I am particulary
਀㨀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀猀Ⰰ 愀爀洀漀甀爀Ⰰ 挀氀漀琀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 樀攀眀攀氀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀㬀ഊ: especially the Gallowglass mercenaries.
਀ഊFor a contemporary view of late 12th century Ireland, read Gerald of Wales
਀∀䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 愀渀搀 吀漀瀀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀 漀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀∀Ⰰ 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 昀爀漀洀 倀攀渀最甀椀渀 䈀漀漀欀猀⸀  䤀✀氀氀ഊtake a stab at the Latin (I don't have my book with me): Giraldus Cambrensis
਀ⴀ 吀漀瀀漀最爀愀瀀栀椀愀 䠀椀戀攀爀渀椀愀攀⸀  䜀攀爀愀氀搀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀攀猀 愀氀漀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 礀漀甀✀爀攀ഊinterested in.
਀ഊOsprey Books puts out a "Men-at-Arms" series.  They have a book called "The
਀䤀爀椀猀栀 圀愀爀猀⸀∀  䤀琀 最椀瘀攀猀 最漀漀搀 搀攀琀愀椀氀 漀渀 眀攀愀瀀漀渀猀Ⰰ 愀爀洀漀爀Ⰰ 挀氀漀琀栀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀漀挀甀猀攀猀ഊon the 1500's.
਀ഊThere is also the "Oxford History of Ireland" edited by Foster, I believe. 
਀䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 戀氀甀爀戀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 搀愀椀氀礀 氀椀昀攀 愀渀搀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀刀攀最愀爀搀猀ⰀഊMike Maxwell
਀洀洀愀砀眀攀氀氀 愀琀 眀栀猀甀渀㄀⸀眀栀⸀眀栀漀椀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: Mary Hysong <ladymari at gila.net>
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: 13th Century Irish Help, Please
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀　 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㘀㨀㈀㔀㨀㈀㔀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊOrganization: Innovative System Design, Ltd
਀ഊCooley (freyac at mindspring.com) wrote:
਀㨀       䤀 愀洀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 攀猀琀愀戀氀椀猀栀 洀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀洀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀椀攀猀⸀ഊ: Thus I turn to you in the hope that you will lend me your aid and
਀㨀 眀椀猀搀漀洀⸀  䤀 渀攀攀搀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 漀渀 琀栀攀 搀愀椀氀礀 氀椀瘀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 椀渀ഊ: this period.  What they ate, how they dressed, etc.  I am particulary
਀㨀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀猀Ⰰ 愀爀洀漀甀爀Ⰰ 挀氀漀琀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 樀攀眀攀氀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀㬀ഊ: especially the Gallowglass mercenaries.
਀ഊThe book Illustrated Archeology of Ireland may also be helpful, as well
਀愀猀 䴀愀椀爀栀攀愀搀 䐀甀渀氀攀瘀礀✀猀 戀漀漀欀 䐀爀攀猀猀 椀渀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀漀爀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊshelf and some sites on the net if you will send me your e-mail address
਀䤀 眀椀氀氀 栀攀氀瀀 椀昀 䤀 挀愀渀⸀ 匀氀愀渀 愀最愀琀 ⠀最漀漀搀 戀礀攀⤀ ഊ
਀䴀愀椀爀椀 䈀爀漀搀攀爀Ⰰ 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:46:26 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀愀搀搀椀攀 琀攀氀氀攀爀ⴀ欀漀漀欀 㰀洀攀愀搀栀戀栀 愀琀 椀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: ansteorra at eden.com
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䘀眀搀㨀 䌀攀氀琀椀挀 ⠀䤀爀椀猀栀⼀匀挀漀琀⼀圀攀氀猀栀⼀䴀愀渀砀⤀ 䘀椀爀猀琀 一愀洀攀猀崀ഊ
਀䠀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 眀攀戀 瀀愀最攀 漀昀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀䤀琀 栀愀猀 愀 最愀攀氀椀挀 眀漀爀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀 搀愀礀ഊand goes thru the changes of the irish language from 400 C.E. to
਀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀⸀ഊ
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀氀椀渀挀漀氀渀甀⸀攀搀甀⼀縀昀漀挀愀氀⼀愀爀挀栀椀瘀攀⸀栀琀洀ഊ
਀洀攀愀搀栀戀栀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:40:56 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 一愀渀挀礀 䰀礀渀挀栀 㰀氀甀最栀戀攀挀 愀琀 椀渀昀漀㈀　　　⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 䄀渀搀 䠀䔀䰀倀℀ഊ
਀㸀     䤀 愀洀 渀攀攀搀椀渀最 䤀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 䤀爀椀猀栀 昀漀爀洀愀氀 搀爀攀猀猀 ⠀䘀攀洀愀氀攀⤀ 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 ㄀　　　ഊ> and 1200 A.D. I am wanting to make a complete outfit for one of the
਀㸀 氀愀搀椀攀猀 椀渀 洀礀 䠀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 愀渀搀 愀猀 愀渀 䄀刀吀ⴀ匀䌀䤀 攀渀琀爀礀⸀ 唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀氀礀 䤀 愀洀 甀渀愀戀氀攀ഊ> to find ANY information on this period. If you have any information at
਀㸀 愀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀琀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 最爀攀愀琀氀礀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀搀⸀ഊ> 
਀㸀        䜀爀攀最漀爀 ∀吀栀攀 䴀甀最∀ 䨀漀琀甀渀ഊ
਀䜀爀攀最漀爀Ⰰ 愀 挀栀愀爀愀℀ ⠀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀℀⤀ഊ
਀䐀爀攀猀猀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 氀愀搀椀攀猀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀氀礀 椀猀 愀 氀漀瘀攀氀礀 最攀猀琀甀爀攀 漀渀 礀漀甀爀 瀀愀爀琀⸀ ഊAre you also of Irish persona? For an A&S entry you will be busy in the
਀氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 昀漀爀 愀 戀椀琀⸀  吀栀攀 最漀漀搀 渀攀眀猀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 琀栀漀甀猀愀渀搀猀 漀昀ഊbooks to read, the bad news is that there isn't nearly enough
਀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 椀猀 瘀愀爀椀攀搀 椀渀 椀琀✀猀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀猀 猀漀 戀攀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀搀 琀漀 搀漀 愀 戀椀琀ഊof digging, both for Irish dress styles and refining the specifics of
਀礀漀甀爀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀✀猀 氀愀搀椀攀猀⸀ ഊ
਀䈀礀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 眀愀猀 爀椀昀攀 眀椀琀栀 嘀椀欀椀渀最猀⸀  吀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 戀甀猀椀氀礀ഊbuilding towns, seaports, government centers, and trade routes.  Dublin,
਀愀 一漀爀猀攀⼀匀挀愀渀搀椀渀愀瘀椀愀渀 猀琀爀漀渀最栀漀氀搀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 攀猀琀愀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 㤀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 一漀爀洀愀渀猀 ∀瘀椀猀椀琀攀搀∀ 椀渀 ㄀㄀㘀㤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀漀爀最漀琀 琀漀 最漀 栀漀洀攀⸀⸀⸀㨀⤀  匀漀Ⰰഊthough you end your requested time period in the 12th century, the
਀渀漀戀椀氀椀琀礀 眀攀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀搀 椀渀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 猀琀礀氀攀 戀礀 琀栀漀猀攀 ∀猀漀渀猀 伀✀ഊWilliam the...Conqueror".
਀ഊAfter deciding what influences your household members have, then you can
਀戀攀最椀渀 礀漀甀爀 猀攀愀爀挀栀⸀  䤀昀 ∀猀琀爀椀挀琀氀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀∀ 椀猀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 栀攀愀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最ഊis a bibliography to get you started.  If you cannot find these in your
਀氀漀挀愀氀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀Ⰰ 椀渀琀攀爀ⴀ氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 氀漀愀渀 椀猀 礀漀甀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀℀ഊ
਀∀䐀爀攀猀猀 椀渀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀∀ 䴀愀椀爀攀愀搀 䐀甀渀氀攀瘀礀Ⰰ 䠀漀氀洀猀 愀渀搀 䴀攀椀攀爀 倀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀爀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㠀㤀ഊ"Handbook on the Traditional Old Irish Dress", H F McClintock, Dundalgen
਀倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㔀　ഊ"Costume and Fashion - the evolution of European dress through the
਀攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 愀最攀猀∀Ⰰ 䠀攀爀戀攀爀琀 一漀爀爀椀猀Ⰰ 䨀 䴀 䐀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 匀漀渀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㈀㐀ഊ
਀䐀攀瀀攀渀搀椀渀最 漀渀 栀漀眀 攀砀挀椀琀攀搀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 ∀眀栀漀氀攀 漀甀琀昀椀琀猀∀ 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀ഊinterested in shoes.....look up:
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀瀀戀洀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀氀椀渀搀愀栀氀⼀挀愀爀氀猀漀渀⼀匀䠀伀䔀匀ഊ
਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 琀漀 眀栀攀爀攀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 洀漀爀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 氀攀琀 洀攀 欀渀漀眀⸀  ഊSonas ort! (Happiness on you!)
਀吀⸀䠀⸀䰀愀搀礀 䰀甀最栀戀攀挀 渀椀 䔀漀椀渀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 1 Oct 97 13:00:14 -0500
਀吀漀㨀 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊFrom: <cward at awd.com> "C Ward, Software Support, x3115"
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 爀攀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 一漀爀琀栀 䄀昀爀椀挀愀渀⼀䤀爀椀猀栀 䌀漀洀戀漀 倀氀愀琀琀攀爀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀ⴀ䨀愀砀ⴀ∀ 㰀樀愀挀欀猀漀渀㈀ 愀琀 愀瀀瀀氀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀Ⰰ 漀渀 ㄀　⼀㄀⼀㤀㜀 㜀㨀　㜀 䄀䴀㨀ഊI have a friend, new to the SCA,  who is developing her persona. The 
਀挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀 椀猀 愀 挀漀洀戀椀渀攀搀 一漀爀琀栀 䄀昀爀椀挀愀渀 愀渀搀 䤀爀椀猀栀 栀攀爀椀琀愀最攀Ⰰ 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 ㄀　琀栀 ഊcentury. Any ideas? What contact was there between these two cultures in 
਀琀栀椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀 圀栀愀琀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 昀爀漀洀 一漀爀琀栀 䄀昀爀椀挀愀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 琀漀 ഊgo to Ireland at this time, or v v?
਀ഊ-Erik Wulfriksson-
਀  䠀漀甀猀攀 漀昀 䈀爀椀挀欀ഊ
਀夀漀甀 愀爀攀 椀渀 氀甀挀欀℀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 䴀漀漀爀椀猀栀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀攀渀搀椀渀最 愀洀戀愀猀猀愀搀漀爀猀 琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ ഊspecifically to the Irish Viking Colonies.  One Arab chronicler, Al-Ghazal, 
਀眀爀漀琀攀 愀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀愀爀礀 漀昀 栀椀猀 攀洀戀愀猀猀礀 愀渀搀 栀椀猀 搀攀愀氀椀渀最猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 焀甀攀攀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊVikings, who was a spae-wife and used to sit on the high altar at the 
਀挀栀甀爀挀栀 愀琀 䌀氀漀渀洀愀挀渀漀椀猀攀 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀瀀栀攀挀礀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 䄀氀ⴀ䜀栀愀稀愀氀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 挀漀洀洀漀渀琀愀爀礀 愀渀搀 戀愀挀欀最爀漀甀渀搀 ഊmaterials, available as "The Poet and the Spae-Wife".  I am at work right 
਀渀漀眀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀漀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 椀渀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀 洀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 椀猀 ഊinterested in further details, they can write to me at gunnora at bga.com and 
਀䤀 眀椀氀氀 搀椀爀攀挀琀 琀栀攀洀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀㨀㨀䜀唀一一伀刀䄀㨀㨀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:25:51 -0700
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 一愀渀挀礀 䰀礀渀挀栀 㰀氀甀最栀戀攀挀 愀琀 椀渀昀漀㈀　　　⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䄀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 愀渀搀 䔀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䄀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 最漀漀搀 戀漀漀欀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 䤀爀椀猀栀 戀愀猀椀挀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ഊhistory is called -
਀∀䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 吀栀攀 䔀渀搀甀爀椀渀最 吀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀∀㬀 戀礀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 刀椀挀栀琀攀爀ഊIt is an easy read, interresting, accurate (as far as I have gotten and
਀欀渀漀眀 漀昀㨀⤀ 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 愀 渀椀昀琀礀 戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀Ⰰ 洀愀瀀猀Ⰰ 䤀爀椀猀栀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀 猀挀栀攀洀愀琀椀挀ⰀഊIrish words list, and a good index.
਀ഊSonas ort! (Happiness on you!)
਀䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䰀甀最栀戀攀挀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: DDFr at best.com (David Friedman)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: medival migration
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㤀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　㠀㨀　㈀㨀㄀㠀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊOrganization: Santa Clara University
਀ഊobserver at rogers.wave.ca wrote:
਀㸀  䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 椀琀 眀愀猀 昀漀爀 椀爀椀猀栀 渀漀戀氀攀猀 琀漀 洀椀最爀愀琀攀 琀漀ഊ>normandy in the periods of 1000 to 1300? This seems to be the case for my
਀㸀洀漀琀栀攀爀✀猀 猀椀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀愀洀椀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 吀䠀䤀䈀䄀唀䰀吀猀⸀ 圀栀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀 椀琀㼀 圀栀愀琀ഊ>happened? Could you refer me to a thorough web site? What i've found so far is
਀㸀愀眀昀甀氀氀礀 瘀愀最甀攀 愀渀搀 猀氀愀渀琀攀搀⸀ഊ
਀䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 渀漀戀氀攀猀 漀昀 一漀爀洀愀渀 搀攀猀挀攀渀琀Ⰰ 氀攀搀 戀礀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 匀琀爀漀渀最戀漀眀Ⰰ 䔀愀爀氀 漀昀ഊPembroke, conquered a considerable part of Ireland in the 12th century, so
਀戀礀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 ∀䤀爀椀猀栀∀ 渀漀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀攀渀猀攀 漀昀 渀漀戀氀攀猀ഊholding land in Ireland, might easily be Normans. They might also be the
਀搀攀猀挀攀渀搀愀渀琀猀 漀昀 䤀爀椀猀栀⼀一漀爀洀愀渀 洀愀爀爀椀愀最攀猀⸀ 匀琀爀漀渀最戀漀眀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 洀愀爀爀椀攀搀 琀栀攀ഊdaughter of Dermot, King of Leinster; their daughter, Isabel of Pembroke,
਀洀愀爀爀椀攀搀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 䴀愀爀猀栀愀氀氀⸀ 䤀猀愀戀攀氀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 氀愀爀最攀 栀漀氀搀椀渀最猀 椀渀 戀漀琀栀ഊIreland and Normandy.
਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㌀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㈀㈀㨀　㄀㨀㐀㘀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: LrdRas at aol.com
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀ⴀ伀吀ⴀ伀伀倀ഊ
਀䤀渀 愀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 搀愀琀攀搀 㘀⼀㄀㌀⼀㤀㠀 㘀㨀　㜀㨀㄀㄀ 倀䴀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 䐀愀礀氀椀最栀琀 吀椀洀攀Ⰰ 搀搀昀爀 愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀ഊwrites:
਀ഊ<< And which country and time period was this?  According to my research,
਀ 㸀椀渀 攀愀爀氀礀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 戀愀欀攀爀✀猀 最甀椀氀搀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀ഊ >function of a large city.  Until the Vikings came, there were not
਀ 㸀挀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 挀氀愀渀 栀漀氀搀椀渀最猀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 愀猀 甀渀椀瘀攀爀猀愀氀ഊ >as it seems at first. >>
਀ഊTechnically, the culture of Ireland was not feudal in the way that the
਀洀愀椀渀氀愀渀搀 漀爀 攀瘀攀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 眀愀猀 昀攀甀搀愀氀⸀ 䌀漀洀瀀愀爀椀猀漀渀猀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀✀猀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 愀渀搀ഊmainland European culture is for the most part an exercise in futility. There
਀椀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 最漀漀搀 瀀爀漀最爀愀洀 愀戀漀甀琀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 䌀栀愀渀渀攀氀 渀漀眀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀䄀ഊShort History of Ireland" which gives a very good basic understanding about
਀䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 椀琀✀猀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀渀 攀礀攀 漀瀀攀渀攀爀 昀漀爀 洀攀⸀ഊ
਀刀愀猀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:14:12 -0500 (CDT)
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䨀⸀ 倀愀琀爀椀挀欀 䠀甀最栀攀猀∀ 㰀樀瀀栀甀最栀攀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at listproc.cc.ukans.edu
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䤀爀椀猀栀 挀漀椀渀猀ഊ
਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 氀攀渀最琀栀礀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 攀愀爀氀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀 挀甀爀爀攀渀挀礀 椀渀 䘀攀爀最甀猀 䬀攀氀氀礀✀猀 开䄀ഊGuide to Early Irish Law_.  He states "The currency system revealed by the
਀氀愀眀 琀攀砀琀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀猀 椀猀 攀砀琀爀攀洀攀氀礀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀砀⸀  吀栀攀 瘀愀氀甀攀 漀昀 愀渀ഊarticle or the amount of fine may be given in terms of cumals, sets,
਀挀愀琀琀氀攀 漀爀 漀甀渀挀攀猀 漀昀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀⸀  匀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 愀 挀漀洀戀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀眀漀 漀爀 琀栀爀攀攀ഊcurrencies is used. For instance, Bretha Dein Checht rules that a person
਀眀栀漀 椀渀昀氀椀挀琀猀 愀 最爀愀椀渀 猀椀稀攀搀 眀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 栀漀氀氀漀眀 漀昀 愀 欀椀渀最✀猀 琀攀洀瀀氀攀 洀甀猀琀 瀀愀礀ഊan ounce of silver, a milch cow and 5 sets."
਀ഊCumal literally meant female slave but was used as a measure of value
਀挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 漀昀 猀氀愀瘀攀爀礀 眀愀猀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 愀爀漀甀渀搀⸀  䄀 猀攀琀 猀攀攀洀猀ഊmuch harder to define.
਀ഊMost of the currency described is not it terms of coins, though it would
਀栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 攀愀猀礀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀搀漀瀀琀攀搀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 挀漀椀渀愀最攀 椀昀 椀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀ഊby invaders.
਀ഊCharles O'Connor
਀樀瀀栀甀最栀攀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 24 Nov 98 07:35:17 MST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀樀✀氀礀渀渀 礀攀愀琀攀猀∀ 㰀樀礀攀愀琀攀猀 愀琀 爀攀愀氀琀椀洀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG, bryn-gwlad at Ansteorra.ORG
਀ഊDates in Irish Myth and Legend
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀椀渀搀椀最漀⸀椀攀⼀縀氀攀最攀渀搀猀⼀搀愀琀攀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 唀氀猀琀攀爀 䌀礀挀氀攀㨀 䠀攀爀漀椀挀 䴀礀琀栀猀 愀渀搀 䰀攀最攀渀搀猀 昀爀漀洀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀ഊhttp://www.geocities.com/Paris/Arc/6084/
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਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䈀䜀 ⴀ 戀漀漀欀 爀攀挀漀洀攀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀 ⸀⸀⸀ 挀攀氀琀椀挀 洀礀琀栀 愀渀搀 氀攀最攀渀搀ഊDate: Tue, 24 Nov 98 09:20:33 MST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀樀✀氀礀渀渀 礀攀愀琀攀猀∀ 㰀樀礀攀愀琀攀猀 愀琀 爀攀愀氀琀椀洀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG, bryn-gwlad at Ansteorra.ORG
਀ഊThe Tain: From The Irish Epic Tain Bo Cualnge
਀吀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 䬀椀渀猀攀氀氀愀ഊOxford University Press
਀䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㄀㤀ⴀ㈀㠀㄀　㤀　ⴀ㄀ഊ
਀愀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 漀渀 爀攀愀氀 愀渀搀 瀀攀爀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀 氀愀眀 最漀琀 洀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀ഊthe irish sumptuary laws as laid out in the brehon law codes ... requested
਀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䌀氀愀渀渀愀搀愀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 爀攀昀攀爀爀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀椀琀攀 ⠀ഊhttp://www.clannada.org/ref1.html ) for an article on clothing that included
਀猀漀洀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 瀀漀椀渀琀攀爀 ⠀昀爀漀洀 琀攀栀 氀椀猀琀⤀ 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 漀爀搀攀爀攀搀ഊonline from Amazon.Com, arrived three days later (... gotta love em!).
਀ഊjust finished a cursory scan and suggest that any with celtic segments in
਀琀栀攀椀爀 氀椀戀爀愀爀椀攀猀 愀搀搀 椀琀 ⸀⸀⸀ 最漀漀搀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀 渀漀琀攀猀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 椀渀 愀氀氀 愀ഊgood reference to this important work
਀ഊ'wolf
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਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 欀攀氀琀漀椀 挀氀椀攀渀琀 猀礀猀琀攀洀 ⸀⸀ 眀愀猀㨀 搀攀猀椀最渀愀琀攀搀 瀀愀爀愀猀椀琀攀猀ഊDate: Mon, 08 Feb 99 16:16:18 MST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀樀✀氀礀渀渀 礀攀愀琀攀猀∀ 㰀樀礀攀愀琀攀猀 愀琀 爀攀愀氀琀椀洀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
਀ഊOn 8 Feb 99, at 16:32, Decker, Terry D. wrote:
਀㸀 䤀琀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 琀漀 猀攀攀 栀漀眀 挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀礀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀爀猀 瘀椀攀眀攀搀 琀栀攀 䌀攀氀琀椀挀ഊ> social structure.  It helps make sense of some of the more arcane academic
਀㸀 眀爀椀琀椀渀最猀⸀ഊ
਀䤀昀 猀甀挀栀 琀栀椀渀最猀 愀爀攀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀 琀愀猀琀攀Ⰰ 洀愀礀 䤀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 愀 渀攀眀 爀攀愀搀 䤀✀洀 猀琀愀爀琀椀渀最 琀漀ഊwade through (deep going so far)
਀ഊ_Cattle Lords and Clansmen: The Social Structure of Early Ireland_, Nerys
਀倀愀琀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 一漀琀爀攀 䐀愀洀攀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ 䤀匀䈀一㨀 　ⴀ㈀㘀㠀ⴀ　　㠀　　ഊ
਀䄀渀礀漀渀攀 渀攀攀搀 愀 椀氀氀搀愀渀愀 眀椀琀栀 瀀漀琀攀渀琀椀愀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀昀 搀甀戀椀漀甀猀 洀漀爀愀氀 挀栀愀爀愀挀琀攀爀 ⠀洀甀猀椀挀愀氀ഊtastes, fashion sense, ...) as a client ???  ... "will philosophize for food
਀☀ 昀甀攀氀∀ഊ
਀✀眀漀氀昀ഊ
਀ഊSubject: Viking Age Decorated Wood
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䴀愀爀 㤀㤀 ㈀㄀㨀㄀㌀㨀㌀㘀 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>
਀吀漀㨀 䨀漀栀渀开䌀漀瀀攀 愀琀 洀愀椀氀⸀攀渀爀⸀猀琀愀琀攀⸀渀挀⸀甀猀Ⰰ 猀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 琀攀砀愀猀⸀渀攀琀ഊ
਀䤀 最漀琀 琀栀椀猀 渀攀眀 戀漀漀欀 椀渀 琀漀搀愀礀㨀ഊ
਀Ⰰ 䄀 匀琀甀搀礀 漀昀 䤀琀✀猀 伀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 匀琀礀氀攀ഊby James T. Lang, National Museum of Ireland. Medieval Dublin
਀䔀砀挀愀瘀愀琀椀漀渀猀㄀㤀㘀㈀ⴀ㠀㄀ 刀漀礀愀氀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䄀挀愀搀攀洀礀⸀ 䘀甀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀 昀愀渀挀礀ഊsword beaters, shuttles, winders, scoops, spindle, boxes,carding
਀挀漀洀戀 栀愀渀搀氀攀Ⰰ 愀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 渀攀愀琀 眀漀氀昀 琀漀最最氀攀Ⰰ 欀渀椀昀攀 栀愀渀搀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀 愀眀氀 眀椀琀栀 愀ഊdragon head, stylus, etc. Some furniture bits, boxes, carvings.
਀吀栀攀 愀眀氀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 戀氀愀搀攀 戀攀渀琀 渀攀愀爀氀礀 㤀　 搀攀最爀攀攀猀⸀ 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 最漀渀渀愀ഊspeculate on that one.
਀ഊOrdered from bookshop.co.uk 0901714690   17.66 pounds. on Internet.
਀䜀漀琀 椀琀 猀椀渀挀攀 漀爀搀攀爀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 㔀琀栀⸀ഊhttp://www.bookshop.co.uk/hme/hmepge.asp
਀ഊThe decorated sword beaters and some of the other items are rather
਀渀攀愀琀⸀ ㄀　㈀ 瀀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀 戀椀琀 戀椀最最攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀 戀椀最 搀漀瘀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀刀漀礀愀氀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䄀挀愀搀攀洀礀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䐀愀眀猀漀渀 匀琀⸀Ⰰ 䐀甀戀氀椀渀 ㈀ഊHB 0 901714 68 2
਀倀䈀 　 㤀　㄀㜀㄀㐀 㘀㤀 　ഊ
਀䴀愀最渀甀猀ഊ
਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 猀攀氀氀 ✀攀洀⸀ 䠀愀瘀攀 琀漀 漀爀搀攀爀 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀⸀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 17:42:10 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀琀攀瘀攀 䠀甀最栀攀猀 㰀猀栀甀最栀攀猀 愀琀 瘀瘀洀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Re: Celtic Dung fires
਀ഊRas wrote:
਀㸀匀甀爀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最氀礀 搀甀渀最 漀昀 愀渀礀 琀礀瀀攀 漀渀挀攀 琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀氀礀 搀爀椀攀搀 琀栀爀漀眀猀 漀昀昀 瘀攀爀礀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 椀昀ഊ>any objectionable odor when used as fuel. Dungs have been and are currently
਀㸀甀猀攀搀 愀猀 昀甀攀氀猀 戀礀 洀愀渀礀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 欀攀礀 眀漀爀欀 栀攀爀攀 椀猀 䐀刀䤀䔀䐀 搀甀渀最⸀ 䤀渀 爀攀最愀爀搀 琀漀 搀甀渀最 昀甀攀氀猀ഊtraditional used in Ireland, John M. Synge writes about cow dung fires
਀椀渀 栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀  开吀栀攀 䄀爀愀渀 䤀猀氀愀渀搀猀开 ⸀ 䠀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 漀渀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 攀猀挀愀瀀攀ഊoutdoors to the local Celtic Dun (fort) to read because of the stench.
਀䐀甀渀最 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䤀猀氀愀渀搀猀 愀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 挀漀眀猀ഊwere present. Miranda Green's _Celtic Animals_ notes that a cow produces
਀㈀㐀 欀椀氀漀猀 漀昀 搀甀渀最 愀 搀愀礀Ⰰ 猀栀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 愀 最漀漀搀 昀甀攀氀 猀漀甀爀挀攀ഊthey are.
਀ഊSynge also comments on the presence of tiny rooms next to the Aran fire
਀瀀氀愀挀攀猀 琀漀 愀挀挀漀洀洀漀搀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀挀欀攀渀猀⸀ 䄀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 栀漀甀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊanimals inside with people.  Miranda Green also mentions the  presence
਀漀昀 挀栀椀挀欀攀渀 戀漀渀攀猀 椀渀 䌀攀氀琀椀挀 最愀爀戀愀最攀 栀攀愀瀀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀挀欀攀渀 挀愀洀攀 昀爀漀洀ഊIndia. My thought was it was a hell of a long way for a chicken to walk
਀琀漀 戀攀 最愀猀猀攀搀 愀渀搀 欀攀瀀琀 眀愀爀洀 戀礀 愀 挀漀眀 搀甀渀最 昀椀爀攀⸀ 匀漀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 戀攀 瀀氀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊa Celtic Feast, chicken can be served!
਀ഊPamela Hewitt, the Harper
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਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 　㔀㨀㔀　㨀　㐀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: Curtis & Mary <ladymari at cybertrails.com>
਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Craggaunowen
਀ഊ> The Craggaunowen Project is pretty cool.  It includes reconstructed Iron
਀㸀 䄀最攀 搀眀攀氀氀椀渀最猀 ⠀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 愀 挀爀愀渀渀漀焀 愀渀搀 愀 爀椀渀最ⴀ昀漀爀琀⤀Ⰰ 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 洀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀ഊ> medieval "antiquities" housed in a 16th century tower-house, and the
਀㸀 ∀䈀爀攀渀搀愀渀 䔀砀栀椀戀椀琀椀漀渀∀ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀愀最栀 琀栀愀琀 吀椀洀 匀攀瘀攀爀椀渀 猀愀椀氀攀搀 琀漀 一漀爀琀栀ഊ> America.  It is in County Clare, south of the village of Quin; as I recall,
਀㸀 渀漀琀 昀愀爀 昀爀漀洀 䈀甀渀爀愀琀琀礀⸀  吀栀攀礀 搀漀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 䠀椀最栀 匀攀愀猀漀渀ഊ> (which is now).
਀㸀ഊ> You do have "The Intelligent Traveler's Guide to Historic Ireland," don't
਀㸀 礀漀甀㼀  ⠀倀栀椀氀椀瀀 䄀⸀ 䌀爀漀眀氀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀　㬀 䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㠀　㤀㈀ⴀ㐀　㘀㈀ⴀ㤀⤀ഊ>  It is invaluable.
਀ഊThanks for the info. Actually this trip is mostly being planned by a
਀昀爀椀攀渀搀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 笀椀昀 椀琀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 昀漀爀 栀攀爀ⰀഊI wouldn't be going for probably another 5 years !}  Mostly we are going
਀琀漀 琀栀攀 一愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 椀渀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀 琀漀 猀琀甀搀礀 琀栀攀 匀栀椀渀爀漀渀攀 愀渀搀 䴀漀礀 最漀眀渀猀ഊfirst hand {my friend is Kass McGann, that wrote the article in the
਀猀瀀爀椀渀最 吀䤀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 匀栀椀渀爀漀渀攀 最漀眀渀紀  圀攀 眀椀氀氀 愀氀猀漀 戀攀 最漀椀渀最 甀瀀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊUlster museum in Belfast to study the Dungiven costume there. In
਀愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀 眀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 匀栀椀渀爀漀渀攀 昀攀猀琀椀瘀愀氀 眀栀攀爀攀 眀攀 眀椀氀氀 眀攀愀爀 漀甀爀ഊreproductions of the Shinrone gown and Kass will give a talk about it.
਀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀渀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀 愀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀攀猀琀椀瘀愀氀⸀ഊ
਀䴀愀椀爀椀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:09:22 MST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀愀氀攀礀 圀漀甀氀昀攀∀ 㰀挀眀漀甀氀昀攀 愀琀 氀椀昀攀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: ANST - Fw: [TY] cool site!!
਀吀漀㨀 ∀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀渀 䰀椀猀琀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊ
਀䤀 最漀琀 琀栀椀猀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀 琀愀瘀攀爀渀 夀愀爀搀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䌀愀漀椀氀氀愀椀渀渀 䐀攀 䈀栀甀氀戀栀Ⰰ 匀栀攀ⴀ圀漀氀昀 漀昀 䰀椀洀攀爀椀挀欀ഊ"If Normal is relative, it must be a very distant relative..."
਀ഊ-----Original Message-----
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀愀琀爀椀挀椀愀 䠀攀昀渀攀爀 㰀瀀愀琀爀椀挀椀愀⸀栀攀昀渀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: TY at reashelm.ce.utk.edu <TY at reashelm.ce.utk.edu>
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀猀搀愀礀Ⰰ 一漀瘀攀洀戀攀爀 ㄀㘀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀㤀 㔀㨀㄀㤀 倀䴀ഊSubject: [TY] cool site!!
਀ഊ>There's a GREAT site that's a history of Ireland in maps. It has a map for
਀㸀攀愀挀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 猀琀愀爀琀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 䈀⸀䌀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 ㄀　　 䄀⸀䐀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 最漀椀渀最 甀瀀ഊ>to the twentieth century. The site also has a list of big time ruling
਀㸀昀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀爀漀洀椀渀攀渀琀 昀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀琀✀猀ഊ>interesting if you're a genealogy greak and happen to have Irish blood like
਀㸀礀漀甀爀猀 琀爀甀氀礀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 琀椀洀攀 氀椀渀攀猀 昀漀爀 攀愀挀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 䜀攀攀稀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 猀漀漀渀ഊ>they'll have to put twenty-first...that will be weird. Anyway, here's the
਀㸀唀刀䰀 昀漀爀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 瀀愀爀琀椀攀猀㨀ഊ>
਀㸀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀漀爀琀甀渀攀挀椀琀礀⸀挀漀洀⼀戀愀氀氀礀⼀欀椀氀欀攀渀渀礀⼀㈀⼀椀爀攀㜀　　⸀栀琀洀ഊ>
਀㸀吀栀椀猀 眀椀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 礀漀甀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀椀琀攀 昀漀爀 㜀　　⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 戀甀琀琀漀渀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀椀琀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊ>will take you to the century of your choice. Enjoy!
਀㸀ഊ>Isabelle
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 　㌀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㄀㨀㔀㐀㨀㐀㄀ 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: "Caley Woulfe" <cwoulfe at life.edu>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 䤀爀椀猀栀 匀琀甀昀昀ഊTo: "Tavern Yard" <TY at reashelm.ce.utk.edu>
਀䌀䌀㨀 ∀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀渀 䰀椀猀琀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊ
਀䘀漀爀 愀氀氀 礀漀甀 䤀爀椀猀栀 琀礀瀀攀猀⸀  吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀  昀愀椀爀氀礀 最漀漀搀 猀椀琀攀㬀 椀琀✀猀 瘀椀爀琀甀愀氀 琀漀甀爀 漀昀ഊhistorical/mythological sites in Ireland; with some mythology tossed in for
਀最漀漀搀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀瀀愀搀搀礀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀椀猀氀愀渀搀⼀ഊ
਀䌀愀漀椀氀氀愀椀渀渀 䐀攀 䈀栀甀氀戀栀Ⰰ 匀栀攀ⴀ圀漀氀昀 漀昀 䰀椀洀攀爀椀挀欀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 12:43:14 MST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀攀愀渀 䜀甀氀椀挀欀 㰀猀攀愀渀 愀琀 甀琀椀最⸀椀最⸀甀琀攀砀愀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: ANST - Ireland
਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀ഊ
਀挀栀攀猀 愀琀 椀漀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> What was the land mass of Ireland called in the year 1666?
਀㸀ഊ> F. Havas
਀ഊAlthough I am not an authority on the subject, I am fairly certain it was
਀挀愀氀氀攀搀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 愀猀 琀漀搀愀礀⸀  䐀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 圀愀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀漀猀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 戀椀琀ഊearlier it was was called Ireland and there was even a parlimentary office
਀爀攀昀攀爀爀椀渀最 琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 戀礀 渀愀洀攀 ⠀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 洀甀猀琀 愀搀洀椀琀 䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 攀砀愀挀琀ഊoffice title).  I do not know exactly when it was first called such but
਀挀攀爀琀愀椀渀琀氀礀 椀琀 眀愀猀 瀀爀椀漀爀 琀漀 ㄀㘀㘀㘀⸀  䠀漀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀氀瀀猀⸀ഊ
਀䜀椀搀攀漀渀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:12:58 MST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䘀漀瀀搀攀樀漀甀爀㄀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: ANST - Ireland
਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀ഊ
਀䤀渀 愀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 搀愀琀攀搀 　㄀⼀　㘀⼀㈀　　　 㜀㨀㄀㈀㨀㄀　 倀䴀Ⰰ 挀栀攀猀 愀琀 椀漀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ<< What was the land mass of Ireland called in the year 1666?
਀ ഊF. Havas >>
਀ഊ    I am pretty sure it was called Ireland.  In the official title of 
਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀Ⰰ 匀栀攀 眀愀猀 琀椀琀氀攀搀㨀 䠀刀䴀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䜀爀愀挀攀 漀昀 䜀漀搀Ⰰ 儀甀攀攀渀 漀昀 ഊEngland, France and Ireland, Supreme governor of the Church of England in all 
਀琀栀椀渀最猀 攀挀挀氀攀猀椀愀猀琀椀挀愀氀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀氀⸀⸀⸀⸀漀爀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 琀栀愀琀⸀  匀椀渀挀攀 ഊit existed in 1508 as Ireland, I am pretty sure in 1666 under Charles II it 
਀眀愀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀⸀ഊ 
਀    吀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀氀攀搀 愀渀搀 猀攀琀琀氀攀搀 ഊby the English, was a very small area on the eastern coast was known as The 
਀倀愀氀攀⸀ഊ
਀䌀栀愀猀 搀攀 䈀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:12:31 MST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 栀攀愀氀琀栀⸀猀琀愀琀攀⸀漀欀⸀甀猀㸀ഊSubject: RE: ANST - Ireland
਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊ
਀䤀䤀刀䌀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 爀攀昀攀爀爀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 椀猀氀愀渀搀 愀猀 䔀椀爀攀⸀  䤀渀 洀漀爀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 䔀椀爀攀ഊhas been used to also describe the nation-state formed by the Irish.  During
਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 瀀漀氀椀琀椀挀愀氀 最爀漀甀瀀椀渀最猀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 戀礀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀猀Ⰰ 挀氀愀渀猀 漀爀ഊleaders in the Celtic manner.  The English referred to the island as
਀䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀 ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:17:51 MST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 栀攀愀氀琀栀⸀猀琀愀琀攀⸀漀欀⸀甀猀㸀ഊSubject: RE: ANST - Ireland
਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊ
਀㸀 䰀愀猀琀 挀爀漀猀猀眀漀爀搀 瀀甀稀稀氀攀 䤀 搀椀搀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 椀琀 ∀䔀爀椀渀⸀∀  䐀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀ഊ> WHEN it was called that, though.
਀㸀 ഊ> /Ly Elizabeth H.
਀ഊErin is a poetically form of Eire.  Bear
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　　 ㈀　㨀㌀㄀㨀㐀㔀 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: Brent Hanner <behanner at castleliechtenstein.net>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䈀䜀 ⴀ 䄀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 吀椀搀ⴀ戀椀琀 㨀 伀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀ഊTo: "bryn-gwlad at ansteorra.org" <bryn-gwlad at ansteorra.org>
਀ഊOF IRELAND
਀ഊYrlonde hight Hibernia, and is an island of the Ocean in Europe, and is
਀渀椀最栀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀愀渀搀 漀昀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 渀愀爀爀漀眀 愀渀搀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 琀栀愀渀ഊBritain, but it is more plenteous place. . . . In this land is much
਀瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 挀漀爀渀 昀椀攀氀搀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 眀攀氀氀猀 愀渀搀 漀昀 爀椀瘀攀爀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 昀愀椀爀 洀攀愀搀猀 愀渀搀 眀漀漀搀猀Ⰰഊof metal and of precious stones.  For there is gendered a six cornered
਀猀琀漀渀攀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀漀 眀椀琀Ⰰ 䤀爀椀猀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 洀愀欀攀琀栀 愀 爀愀椀渀戀漀眀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀椀爀Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 戀攀ഊset in the sun. And there is jet found, and white pearls. And concerning
਀琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀猀漀洀攀 愀椀爀Ⰰ 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 椀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀琀攀 挀漀甀渀琀爀礀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 氀椀琀琀氀攀ഊor none passing heat or cold, there be wonderful lakes, ponds, and
਀眀攀氀氀猀⸀  䘀漀爀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 氀愀欀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀昀 愀 猀琀愀昀昀 漀爀 愀 瀀漀氀攀 漀昀 琀爀攀攀 戀攀ഊpight, and tarrieth long time therein, the part that is in the earth
਀琀甀爀渀攀琀栀 椀渀琀漀 椀爀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀甀爀渀攀琀栀 椀渀琀漀 猀琀漀渀攀Ⰰഊand the part that is above the water, abideth still in its kind of
਀琀爀攀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 氀愀欀攀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀昀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀漀甀 琀栀爀漀眀攀猀琀 爀漀搀猀 漀昀ഊhazel, it turneth those rods into ash: and ayenward if ye cast ashen
਀爀漀搀猀 琀栀攀爀攀椀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 琀甀爀渀 椀渀琀漀 栀愀稀攀氀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀椀渀 戀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 搀攀愀搀ഊcarrions never rot: but abide there always uncorrupt Also in Ireland is
਀愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 椀猀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 洀攀渀 搀椀攀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀 漀瘀攀爀挀漀洀攀 眀椀琀栀ഊage, they be borne out of that island to die without.  In Ireland is no
਀猀攀爀瀀攀渀琀Ⰰ 渀漀 昀爀漀最猀Ⰰ 渀漀爀 瘀攀渀攀洀漀甀猀 愀搀搀攀爀挀漀瀀㬀 戀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 氀愀渀搀 椀猀 猀漀ഊcontrary to venemous beasts that if the earth of that land be brought
਀椀渀琀漀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀瀀爀漀渀最攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀氀愀礀攀琀栀 猀攀爀瀀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀ഊtoads. Also venemous beasts flee Irish wool, skins, and fells. And if
਀猀攀爀瀀攀渀琀猀 漀爀 琀漀愀搀猀 戀攀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 椀渀琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 戀礀 猀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 搀椀攀 愀渀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀匀漀氀椀渀甀猀 猀瀀攀愀欀攀琀栀 漀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀愀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 椀渀栀愀戀椀琀愀渀琀猀 琀栀攀爀攀漀昀 戀攀ഊfierce, and lead an unhuman life.  The people there use to
਀栀愀爀戀漀甀爀 渀漀 最甀攀猀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 戀攀 眀愀爀爀椀漀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀爀椀渀欀 洀攀渀✀猀 戀氀漀漀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀ഊslay, and wash first their faces therewith: right and unright they take
਀昀漀爀 漀渀攀⸀ ⸀ ⸀ ⸀ 䴀攀渀 漀昀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 戀攀 猀椀渀最甀氀愀爀氀礀 挀氀漀琀栀攀搀 愀渀搀 甀渀猀攀攀洀氀礀 愀爀爀愀礀攀搀ഊand scarcely fed, they be cruel of heart, fierce of cheer, angry of
਀猀瀀攀攀挀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀栀愀爀瀀⸀  一愀琀栀氀攀猀猀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀 昀爀攀攀 栀攀愀爀琀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀愀椀爀 漀昀 猀瀀攀攀挀栀ഊand goodly to their own nation, and namely those men that dwell in
਀眀漀漀搀猀Ⰰ 洀愀爀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀猀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 洀攀渀 戀攀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 昀氀攀猀栀Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰഊand fruit for meat, and with milk for drink: and give them more to plays
਀愀渀搀 琀漀 栀甀渀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀愀渀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 愀渀搀 琀爀愀瘀愀椀氀⸀ഊ
਀䈀愀爀琀栀漀氀漀洀攀眀 䄀渀最氀椀挀甀猀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:34:42 -0700
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀礀 䠀礀猀漀渀最 㰀氀愀搀礀洀愀爀椀 愀琀 挀礀戀攀爀琀爀愀椀氀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: Aten Arts <atenarts at egroups.com>,
਀        ∀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: All things Irish
਀ഊFor all those interested there is a new list for Irish History, where we
਀愀爀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀渀最 挀漀猀琀甀洀椀渀最 㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ
਀最漀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀椀渀欀 琀漀 猀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀ഊMairi, Atenveldt
਀ഊhttp://www.onelist.com/community/IrishHistory
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㠀㨀㄀　㨀㄀㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Warren & Meredith Harmon <silveroak at juno.com>
਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: PERIOD cloak clasps
਀ഊThis may not help you, but the book "Metal Craftsmanship in Early
਀䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀∀ 戀礀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 刀礀愀渀Ⰰ 䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㤀㐀㘀㄀㜀㈀ⴀ㌀㜀ⴀ㐀Ⰰ 椀猀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀氀礀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀ഊfor Celtic brooches of the 8th-10th century.  Great shots, both b&w and
਀挀漀氀漀爀⸀  䤀 栀椀最栀氀礀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 椀琀 昀漀爀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 椀渀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀ഊgood place to start for info.  
਀ഊ-Caro
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀愀琀栀礀 䠀愀爀搀椀渀最∀ 㰀挀栀愀爀搀椀渀最 愀琀 渀眀氀椀渀欀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀吀㨀 吀爀椀瀀 琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀ഊDate: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:06:39 -0700
਀ഊDefinitely go to the Irish national museum and the portrait gallery.  They
਀愀爀攀 戀漀琀栀 椀渀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀⸀  圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 猀瀀攀渀琀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 搀愀礀猀 椀渀 戀漀琀栀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀猀猀椀渀最 栀椀猀 渀漀猀攀ഊto the glass in the treasury room.  He's a goldsmith and there were lots of
਀氀漀瘀攀氀礀 琀栀椀渀最猀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䴀愀攀瘀攀⸀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:14:45 +0200
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 嘀漀氀欀攀爀 䈀愀挀栀 㰀戀愀挀栀瘀 愀琀 瀀愀最愀渀攀琀⸀搀攀㸀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀吀㨀 吀爀椀瀀 琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀ഊ
਀刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀 猀挀栀爀椀攀戀㨀ഊ> After several years delay (buying a house put us off-schedule), my
਀㸀 氀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 愀爀攀 昀椀渀愀氀氀礀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀⸀  圀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 昀爀漀洀 匀攀瀀琀⸀ഊ> 10 - 21.  We are flying into Shannon and departing from Dublin.
਀㸀 圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀漀漀欀攀搀 愀 ∀猀攀氀昀ⴀ搀爀椀瘀攀 琀漀甀爀∀ 眀椀琀栀 愀 爀攀渀琀愀氀 挀愀爀 愀渀搀 瘀漀甀挀栀攀爀猀ഊ> for B&Bs.  Our vague plan is to drive a semi-circular route along the
਀㸀 猀漀甀琀栀攀爀渀 挀漀愀猀琀 昀爀漀洀 匀栀愀渀渀漀渀 琀漀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀⸀  䄀琀 琀栀椀猀 瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 漀渀氀礀ഊ> must-sees along the way are the Ring of Kerry, the Craggaunowen
਀㸀 倀爀漀樀攀挀琀Ⰰ 䈀氀愀爀渀攀礀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 圀愀琀攀爀昀漀爀搀 昀愀挀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䬀椀氀欀攀渀渀礀 䌀椀琀礀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 䜀氀攀渀搀愀氀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 愀渀 攀愀爀氀礀ഊIrish monastery with surviving 9th century
਀戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 愀 渀椀挀攀 ⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀 渀漀琀ഊoverwhelmingly informative) visitor center.
਀䐀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀 愀氀氀漀眀 愀 搀愀礀 漀爀 琀栀爀攀攀 昀漀爀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀Ⰰ 琀漀漀 ⴀഊthe National Museum is stunning (and free, or used
਀琀漀 戀攀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 搀椀搀 愀 礀攀愀爀 愀琀 吀爀椀渀椀琀礀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀ഊ'96/97), the Viking Centre is somewhere between
਀挀甀琀攀 愀渀搀 眀漀眀 ⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 瀀爀椀挀攀礀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 琀愀欀攀ഊthe time for the Trinity Library and a few
਀挀栀甀爀挀栀攀猀 ⠀渀漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 漀氀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀椀琀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀ഊfew with foundations going that far back). Also,
਀戀礀 愀氀氀 洀攀愀渀猀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀椀渀最 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 猀漀甀琀栀ഊbank of the Liffey. Everybody keeps talking about
਀✀䜀攀漀爀最椀愀渀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀✀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀氀甀愀爀ഊpart incredibly boring. 'Victorian Dublin' on the
਀漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀渀搀 椀猀 愀爀挀栀椀琀攀挀琀甀爀愀氀氀礀 焀甀椀琀攀 椀渀琀爀椀最甀椀渀最Ⰰഊand chock-full of bookshops, music stores and pubs
਀⠀瀀爀椀挀攀礀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 愀琀 愀氀氀 ✀愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀✀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀甀渀 琀漀 戀攀ഊin).
਀一攀眀 䜀爀愀渀最攀 椀猀 愀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀愀猀琀攀 ⴀ 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊsort of stone age (which it is, to be fair).
਀ഊ> Any recommendations for places to visit/stay/shop/eat?  Since my
਀㸀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀 椀猀 ㄀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀Ⰰ 琀栀椀渀最猀 爀攀氀愀琀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀愀琀 攀爀愀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 漀昀ഊ> particular interest.  Oh, and I don't do beer or ale.  At all.  Is cider
਀㸀 爀攀愀搀椀氀礀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 椀渀 瀀甀戀猀㼀ഊ
਀䤀 挀愀渀 漀渀氀礀 猀瀀攀愀欀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀 愀爀攀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀氀眀愀礀猀ഊfound something to drink in the usually wide
਀挀栀漀椀挀攀 漀昀昀攀爀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 搀爀椀渀欀 愀渀礀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀ഊalcohol.
਀ഊGiano
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀愀琀栀礀 䠀愀爀搀椀渀最∀ 㰀挀栀愀爀搀椀渀最 愀琀 渀眀氀椀渀欀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀吀㨀 吀爀椀瀀 琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀ഊDate: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:53:58 -0700
਀ഊ[the Dublin area]
਀ഊThere is a wonderful restaurant in the Temple Bar (above the fly fishing
਀瀀氀愀挀攀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 琀栀攀 伀氀搀 䴀椀氀氀⸀  圀攀 栀愀搀 愀 搀甀挀欀 猀愀氀愀搀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀ഊand a bunch of other yummy stuff (It's early, I haven't had my Dr. Pepper
਀礀攀琀⸀⤀ഊ
਀䴀愀攀瘀攀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: "ruadh" <ruadh at home.com>
਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT: Trip to Ireland
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㐀㨀㔀㐀㨀　㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ
਀甀瀀漀渀 愀 琀椀洀攀 䤀 栀愀搀 愀 氀椀渀欀 琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀✀猀 挀攀氀氀 瀀栀漀渀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 ∀瀀爀攀瀀愀礀∀ 漀渀攀ഊto use while there. Best to have as you B&B about, call ahead by 1 PM to
਀栀愀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 渀椀最栀琀✀猀 猀琀愀礀 昀椀砀攀搀 愀渀搀 爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀⸀ 䰀甀渀挀栀 椀猀 䘀䤀一䤀匀䠀䔀䐀 戀礀 ㈀ 倀䴀Ⰰ 挀愀爀爀礀ഊa poly cooler if you need snacks/drinks. get a 4 door hatch back to carry
਀愀氀氀 礀漀甀爀 最漀漀搀椀攀猀㬀 攀瘀攀渀 椀昀 樀甀猀琀 琀眀漀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀  䄀䄀䄀 嬀 猀琀愀琀攀 猀椀搀攀崀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀ഊmaps! I bring several to trade for the local survey books.  Kinsale - stay
਀愀琀 䄀挀琀漀渀✀猀Ⰰ 渀椀挀攀 瀀漀漀氀 愀渀搀 猀椀渀最攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀甀戀⸀ 嬀戀甀琀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 愀 眀攀攀欀 琀漀漀 攀愀爀氀礀ഊfor the art festival there, 22-30 Sept]. Donegal - step dancing in the
਀瀀甀戀嬀猀崀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 圀攀搀 渀椀最栀琀猀⸀ 䄀渀搀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 礀漀甀 氀攀愀瘀攀 匀栀愀渀渀漀渀Ⰰ 琀爀礀 䈀甀渀爀愀琀琀礀 挀愀猀琀氀攀ഊquote: The castle was built in the early 1400's by the McNamara family, but
਀昀攀氀氀 猀栀漀爀琀氀礀 愀昀琀攀爀眀愀爀搀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 伀✀䈀爀椀攀渀猀Ⰰ 欀椀渀最猀 漀昀 吀栀漀洀漀渀搀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀氀攀搀ഊthe castle until the 17th century. Admiral Penn, father of William Penn,
਀爀攀猀椀搀攀搀 栀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 愀 猀栀漀爀琀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊToday, the castle's Great Hall hold a very fine collection of 14th to 18th
਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀氀氀 栀愀渀最椀渀最猀⸀ 吀栀攀 䜀爀攀愀琀 䠀愀氀氀 愀氀猀漀 栀漀猀琀猀ഊ"medieval banquets" complete with maids playing the harp, court jesters,
਀昀漀漀搀 愀 氀愀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀攀愀搀 ⠀愀 栀漀渀攀礀 眀椀渀攀 昀愀瘀漀甀爀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 椀渀ഊthe middle ages).
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀⸀椀爀椀猀栀挀愀猀琀氀攀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀戀甀渀爀愀琀琀礀⸀栀琀洀ഊa good "feast" can be had after visiting the village outside the castle. The
਀洀攀愀搀 椀猀 眀漀爀琀栀 愀 ✀琀爀礀✀⸀ഊ
਀戀攀猀琀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀  圀愀琀攀爀昀漀爀搀 吀爀攀愀猀甀爀攀猀ഊhttp://www.heritagecouncil.ie/mainpage.html
਀氀漀琀猀 漀昀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 ⴀ氀漀挀愀氀 椀渀昀漀ഊhttp://www.iol.ie/~discover/welcome3.htm
਀ഊand for the food content:
਀吀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䈀爀漀眀渀 䈀爀攀愀搀 嬀 䤀 愀搀搀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀崀ഊhttp://www.iol.ie/~discover/recipe.htm
਀ഊSay hi to gramp's for me. Lord Morton of Morton parish, C.Cork.
਀刀甀ഊ
਀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT: Trip to Ireland
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㌀ 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㠀㨀㐀㐀㨀㌀㈀ ⴀ　㘀　　 ⠀䴀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Ann Sasahara <ariann at nmia.com>
਀吀漀㨀 刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀 㰀爀挀洀愀渀渀㐀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊCC: "Mark.S Harris (rsve60)" <mark.s.harris at motorola.com>
਀ഊGreetings
਀ഊI'm very behind in my mail.  I hope this is helpful.
਀ഊMy family and I were in Dublin a couple on months ago and I had a pretty
਀最漀漀搀 琀椀洀攀 椀渀 猀瀀椀琀攀 漀昀 爀愀椀渀 愀渀搀 愀 戀愀渀欀 栀漀氀椀搀愀礀⸀  䤀 漀洀椀琀琀攀搀 琀栀攀ഊGuinness-related things and most of the children's activities.  You asked
਀愀戀漀甀琀 愀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀㨀ഊ
਀倀氀愀挀攀猀 琀漀 猀琀愀礀㨀 圀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 猀琀愀礀 愀琀 愀 䈀 ☀ 䈀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀攀 搀椀搀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 渀椀挀攀 猀琀愀礀 愀琀ഊthe Camden Court Hotel at Camden St and Adelaide Rd.  The restaurant
਀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀 最漀漀搀 爀攀最椀漀渀愀氀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀琀礀 猀漀甀瀀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀䐀甀戀氀椀渀 䌀漀搀搀氀攀∀ ⠀瀀漀琀愀琀漀攀猀Ⰰഊonions, sausage and bacon) which was perfect on damp rainy days.  (I was
਀猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀搀 愀琀 琀栀攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 爀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀礀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀ഊwelcome in the damp June weather.)
਀ഊPubs: The Camden Court pub is Piseogs ("Legends").  It's a weird,
਀挀椀爀挀甀氀愀爀Ⰰ 琀漀甀爀椀猀琀 瀀甀戀⸀  吀栀攀 瀀甀戀猀 渀攀愀爀 吀爀椀渀椀琀礀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀 眀攀爀攀 昀爀椀攀渀搀氀椀攀爀⸀ഊThe best pub we went to was The Brazen Head on Bridge St near the Liffey.
਀䤀琀✀猀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀✀猀 漀氀搀攀猀琀 瀀甀戀Ⰰ 攀猀琀愀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 ㄀㄀㤀㠀 ⴀ 琀栀攀 搀爀椀渀欀猀 愀爀攀 洀甀挀栀ഊfresher.  The cider was excellent. The Guinness was exceptionally strong
਀愀渀搀 戀椀琀琀攀爀⸀  䤀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀爀攀搀 䴀甀爀瀀栀礀✀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 爀椀挀栀 昀氀愀瘀漀甀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀ഊthe bitter  after taste.  In the hotel brochure rack, there was a pub
਀栀漀瀀瀀椀渀最ഊtour: 6 pubs in one night.
਀ഊThe Brazen Head's restaurant was closed (bank holiday) so we went across
਀琀栀攀 猀琀爀攀攀琀 琀漀 伀✀匀栀攀愀✀猀 刀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀⸀  圀攀 栀愀搀 愀 昀椀氀氀椀渀最 氀愀洀戀 猀琀攀眀 眀⼀ 昀爀攀猀栀ഊbread, lamb cutlets and grilled salmon at reasonable prices.  The band
਀猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 䤀爀椀猀栀 洀甀猀椀挀 愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 㤀瀀洀ഊ
਀䌀椀搀攀爀㨀 匀琀爀漀渀最戀漀眀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀椀猀瀀 搀攀氀椀最栀琀昀甀氀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 猀眀攀攀琀 挀椀搀攀爀 眀愀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀ഊeverywhere, even in London.
਀ഊShopping: since we didn't have a car, I only know the shopping places near
਀琀栀攀 挀漀氀氀攀最攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀漀甀爀 戀甀猀 猀琀漀瀀㨀 伀✀䌀漀渀渀攀氀氀 匀琀Ⰰ 䰀搀 䔀搀眀愀爀搀 匀琀ⴀ䐀愀洀攀 匀琀 愀渀搀ഊNassau St.  O'Connell is the best place for tourist items like T-shirts,
਀猀漀甀瘀攀渀椀爀猀Ⰰ 搀椀猀挀漀甀渀琀攀搀 眀漀漀氀攀渀猀 愀渀搀 欀渀椀琀猀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 攀瘀攀渀 漀渀攀 猀琀漀爀攀 渀攀愀爀ഊthe DublinTour/Guide Friday bus stop that had bohrains for L19 - L60
਀搀攀瀀攀渀搀椀渀最 漀渀 猀椀稀攀⸀  ⠀䰀㄀⸀　　 㴀 ␀㄀⸀㌀㘀 䨀甀渀攀 㐀琀栀 爀愀琀攀⤀  䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最ഊhere that I didn't see in the other two shopping areas.  Ld Edward/Dame St
਀眀愀猀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 洀漀爀攀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀⸀ഊ
਀䰀搀 䔀搀眀愀爀搀ⴀ䐀愀洀攀 匀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀攀琀挀栀 漀昀 爀漀愀搀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 吀爀椀渀椀琀礀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀 愀渀搀ഊChrist Church.  It had a little bit of everything: bookstores, local
਀挀爀愀昀琀猀Ⰰ 琀漀甀爀椀猀琀 欀渀椀挀欀ⴀ欀渀愀挀欀猀 愀渀搀 最愀氀氀攀爀椀攀猀⸀  吀栀椀猀 椀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 猀瀀攀渀琀 洀漀渀攀礀⸀ഊ
਀一愀猀猀愀甀 匀琀⸀ 椀猀 氀漀挀愀琀攀搀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀 猀漀甀琀栀 漀昀 吀爀椀渀椀琀礀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀⸀  䤀琀 栀愀猀 愀ഊvariety of pricey, non-student stores.  Waterford has a store there, as
਀眀攀氀氀 愀猀 䤀爀椀猀栀 眀漀漀氀攀渀猀 愀渀搀 䌀攀氀琀椀挀 䴀甀猀椀挀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 栀漀琀攀氀 琀漀甀爀椀猀琀ഊbrochure racks, you will find a L1.00 off coupon for the Celtic Music
਀猀琀漀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀渀最猀 琀漀 搀漀㨀ഊ
਀吀爀椀渀椀琀礀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀㨀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀瀀攀氀 栀愀搀 猀漀洀攀 渀椀挀攀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀⸀  吀栀攀 漀氀搀ഊlibrary has The Book of Kells.  The displays involved videotapes of
਀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀愀氀氀椀最爀愀瀀栀礀 愀渀搀 戀漀漀欀戀椀渀搀椀渀最 愀渀搀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 瀀椀最洀攀渀琀猀⸀  圀攀 瘀椀攀眀攀搀 琀栀椀猀ഊon the way to see the Book, so it wasn't a boring wait in line.  They had
਀琀眀漀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀漀氀甀洀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䬀攀氀氀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䄀爀洀愀最栀Ⰰഊunder glass on display.  Behind the books is a stairway leading up to the
਀䰀漀渀最 刀漀漀洀⸀  䄀琀 琀栀攀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀漀漀洀 椀猀 愀 最氀愀猀猀 挀愀猀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 眀椀琀栀ഊthe oldest Irish harp.  The pamphlet said it was the harp of Brian Boru,
਀戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀甀戀琀 椀琀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀 愀 戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀氀礀 挀愀爀瘀攀搀 栀愀爀瀀 愀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀ഊharp depicted on all the Irish coinage.
਀ഊThe stairs from the Long Rm lead down into the gift shop.  The only
਀挀漀漀欀攀爀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 眀攀爀攀㨀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 䈀愀氀氀礀洀愀氀漀攀 䌀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 愀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀 瀀甀琀 漀甀琀 戀礀 愀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 爀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀ഊ
਀愀渀搀ഊ
਀吀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䤀爀椀猀栀 刀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 戀礀 䜀攀漀爀最攀 吀栀漀洀猀漀渀Ⰰ 愀 渀椀挀攀氀礀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 愀渀搀ഊcalligraphied book of contemporary and traditional Irish recipes that use
਀瀀漀琀愀琀漀攀猀Ⰰ 琀漀洀愀琀漀攀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最猀⸀  䤀琀 搀漀攀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 䈀漀砀琀礀ഊbread, which was a past cooks-list topic - there are Boxty panckes too.
਀ഊThere are many, many books on medieval topics, except cookery.
਀ഊThe real bargain is the Book of Kells on CD-ROM.  It's a full reproduction
਀漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 眀椀琀栀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 挀氀漀猀攀ⴀ甀瀀猀 漀昀 ㄀㐀 瀀愀最攀猀⸀  䤀琀 甀猀攀猀 儀甀椀挀欀吀椀洀攀 琀漀ഊ"turn" the pages.  QuickTime is included on the CD-ROM.
਀ഊDublin Castle: it was tediously Restoration, but the garden in the back
਀眀愀猀 渀椀挀攀氀礀 挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀礀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䌀栀攀猀琀攀爀 䈀攀愀琀琀礀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀 ⠀樀愀搀攀 戀漀漀欀猀Ⰰഊilluminated Q'urans, books of hours, etc) was the best thing about the
਀䌀愀猀琀氀攀⸀  䤀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 猀栀漀瀀 爀椀最栀琀 漀昀昀 漀昀 䐀愀洀攀 匀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 最攀琀 愀 最甀椀搀攀 戀漀漀欀ഊcalled _Medieval Dublin by Violet Martin.  The book is exceptionally
਀搀攀琀愀椀氀攀搀 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 愀 昀漀氀搀 漀甀琀 洀愀瀀⸀ 吀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 猀琀漀瀀 氀椀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 椀猀ഊright outside the castle shop: Dame Gate.  The book covers an area of
਀䐀甀戀氀椀渀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 眀愀氀欀攀搀 ⠀㌀　 洀椀渀 椀渀 愀渀礀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀⤀㬀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 最漀漀搀Ⰰഊbecause there isn't much available parking.
਀ഊDublinia/Christ Church: We purchased a combined ticket.  You start at the
਀䐀甀戀氀椀渀椀愀 猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀最爀攀猀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀猀 愀渀搀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 爀漀漀洀猀⸀  䤀琀ഊwas cold and rainy outside, so the kids really liked this. My favorite was
਀琀栀攀 ㄀㔀 琀栀 挀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀 搀椀漀爀愀洀愀 眀⼀ 琀栀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 戀甀琀琀漀渀猀⸀  吀栀攀 欀椀搀猀 氀椀欀攀搀ഊthe medieval fair room where we looked at period foods & spices and played
਀爀椀渀最 琀漀猀猀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 猀琀愀椀爀眀愀礀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 匀琀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀✀猀 吀漀眀攀爀 縀㈀　　✀Ⰰഊwhich I let the kiddies do w/o me.  They said it had great views.  I'll
਀琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 眀漀爀搀⸀ഊ
਀圀攀 攀渀琀攀爀攀搀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀 挀栀甀爀挀栀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀椀愀 戀漀漀欀猀琀漀爀攀⸀  吀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀栀椀渀最ഊI noticed was the colorful floor tiles - they are the originals.  The Lady
਀䌀栀愀瀀攀氀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀栀甀爀挀栀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 栀攀愀爀琀 漀昀 匀琀ഊLaurence, a relic that survived the dissolution of the monasteries.  The
਀挀爀礀瀀琀 椀猀 栀椀最栀氀礀 漀瘀攀爀ⴀ爀愀琀攀搀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 刀攀猀琀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 䔀爀愀 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀 漀昀 挀栀甀爀挀栀ഊplate in the crypt that's not quite worth the L2 admission.  The rest of
਀琀栀攀 挀爀礀瀀琀 椀猀 昀爀攀攀 漀昀 挀栀愀爀最攀⸀ 䄀氀氀 琀栀攀 最甀椀搀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀爀攀 眀爀漀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀ഊmummified cat and rat from the organ pipe.  The mummified cat/rat display
਀眀愀猀 洀漀瘀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀爀礀瀀琀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 渀愀瘀攀Ⰰ 琀漀 愀 渀椀挀栀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊcrypt doorway, about 10' above the floor.  They made it impossible to
਀猀攀攀⼀昀椀渀搀⸀  䄀氀猀漀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀愀瘀攀Ⰰ 椀猀 愀渀 攀昀昀椀最礀 ⠀戀礀 琀栀攀 最椀昀琀 挀漀甀渀琀攀爀⤀ 漀昀ഊStrongbow (Richard de Clare, 2 nd Earl of Pembroke).  He was the Norman
਀挀漀渀焀甀攀爀漀爀 漀昀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀Ⰰ 昀爀椀攀渀搀 漀昀 䠀攀渀爀礀 䤀䤀Ⰰ 昀漀甀渀搀攀爀 漀昀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀 䌀栀甀爀挀栀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊnamesake of a yummy cider.
਀ഊNatl Museum (TaraBrooch)/St Patrick's Cathedral (Swift's burial place, but
਀琀栀愀琀✀猀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 匀䌀䄀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 琀栀爀攀愀搀⤀⼀䴀愀爀猀栀✀猀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀 ⠀䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀✀猀 漀氀搀攀猀琀ഊpublic library)/The Viking Adventure: we ran out of time.  Let me know how
਀琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀渀最猀 琀漀 搀漀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 漀昀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀㨀ഊ
਀䴀愀氀愀栀椀搀攀㨀 圀攀 琀漀漀欀 愀 栀愀氀昀ⴀ搀愀礀 琀爀椀瀀 琀漀 䴀愀氀愀栀椀搀攀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀 渀漀爀琀栀ഊof Dublin.  Founded in 1185, it's one of the oldest castles in Ireland and
਀椀渀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀⸀  吀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀 攀砀琀攀爀椀漀爀 愀渀搀 甀瀀瀀攀爀 昀爀漀渀琀 爀漀漀洀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊGreat Hall are still period (1500s).  The paneling and furniture are
਀猀瀀氀攀渀搀椀搀⸀  䤀最渀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 䌀栀椀瀀瀀攀渀搀愀氀攀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀愀琀 䠀愀氀氀⸀  吀栀攀 猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀ഊback living areas are Restoration and Georgian.  The shop had the same
਀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀攀爀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀猀 吀爀椀渀椀琀礀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀⸀  吀栀攀 搀爀椀瘀攀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 挀漀愀猀琀ഊwith the June wildflowers in bloom on the rocky cliffs was exceptional -
਀瀀椀挀渀椀挀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀⸀ഊ
਀䜀氀攀渀愀氀漀甀最栀⼀倀漀眀攀爀猀挀漀甀爀琀⼀䈀愀椀氀攀礀✀猀㨀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 椀渀 愀 氀椀渀攀 漀渀 愀 栀椀最栀眀愀礀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀ഊArklow and Dublin and they can be done, more or less, in one day.
਀䜀氀攀渀愀氀漀甀最栀 栀愀猀 愀 ㄀　 琀栀 挀 爀漀甀渀搀 琀漀眀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀琀猀 礀漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  吀栀攀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最猀ഊand hermit cave at the upper lake are earlier and the buildings at the
਀氀漀眀攀爀 氀愀欀攀 愀爀攀 ㄀㈀ 琀栀 挀⸀  匀琀 䬀攀瘀椀渀✀猀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 ⠀氀漀眀攀爀 氀愀欀攀⤀ 椀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 愀渀ഊoratory - the bell tower just looks like a chimney.  Powerscourt is a
਀挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀椀瘀攀 最愀爀搀攀渀猀⸀  䈀攀 猀甀爀攀 琀漀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀 琀椀渀礀 䨀愀瀀愀渀攀猀攀 最愀爀搀攀渀ഊhidden in the trees to the left of the lake.  ICON is where Bailey's Irish
਀䌀爀攀愀洀 椀猀 洀愀搀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 琀漀甀爀Ⰰ 愀 琀愀猀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 愀 猀栀漀瀀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀ഊaudio-visual show of the Newgrange Neolithic site called "Eriu".
਀ഊNewgrange: restored Neolithic burial mound.  A half-day trip from Dublin,
਀戀甀琀 眀攀 眀攀渀琀 琀漀 䴀愀氀愀栀椀搀攀 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 最漀Ⰰ 氀攀琀 洀攀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 椀琀 眀愀猀⸀ഊ
਀䄀爀椀愀渀渀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:42:33 -0700
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀甀攀 䌀氀攀洀攀渀最攀爀 㰀洀漀漀渀挀愀琀 愀琀 椀渀ⴀ琀挀栀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Period gifts in jars + question
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀䴀愀爀琀椀渀 䜀⸀ 䐀椀攀栀氀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> While in Dublin, were you able to visit any of these or
਀㸀 漀琀栀攀爀 一攀漀氀椀琀栀椀挀 猀椀琀攀猀㼀ഊ
਀夀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 搀椀搀 最攀琀 琀漀 猀攀攀 愀 昀攀眀 琀栀椀渀最猀 椀渀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 眀愀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀ഊonly there for three days.  I took one whole day and went on a mini
਀瀀愀挀欀愀最攀ⴀ琀漀甀爀 琀栀愀琀 琀漀漀欀 甀猀 琀漀 一攀眀最爀愀渀最攀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 昀⨀⨀⨀椀渀最 䄀圀䔀匀伀䴀䔀℀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊTara.  IIRC, we could see Knowth from Newgrange, but didn't go there.
਀吀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀瘀攀 渀椀昀琀礀 洀甀猀攀甀洀猀 椀渀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀 ⠀愀渀搀Ⰰ 戀氀攀猀猀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 愀氀氀ഊfree--paid for by the national lottery), so I got to see some *way* cool
਀猀琀甀昀昀 愀琀 琀栀攀 一愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 眀愀礀ⴀ䈀䌀 ⠀戀礀 愀 昀攀眀 ㄀　　　ഊyears) hazelnuts (how's that for obligatory food content).  And the new
਀攀砀栀椀戀椀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䬀攀氀氀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀⸀ 㬀漀⤀ഊ
਀吀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀 愀洀愀稀椀渀最 䔀愀猀琀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 爀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀 椀渀 䐀甀戀氀椀渀Ⰰ 挀愀氀氀攀搀⸀⸀⸀漀栀Ⰰഊheck, I can't find the flyer I saved, but it's in the main part of town,
਀猀漀甀琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䰀椀昀昀攀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 攀愀猀礀 眀愀氀欀椀渀最 搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 漀昀 吀爀椀渀椀琀礀⸀  䤀琀✀猀ഊon Lower Baggot St.  Curry heaven, and different kinds of breads and
਀挀栀甀琀渀攀礀猀⸀⸀⸀漀漀漀漀栀Ⰰ 愀氀洀漀猀琀 眀漀爀琀栀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀渀攀 琀爀椀瀀 戀愀挀欀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀愀琀⸀ഊ
਀   䤀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 昀爀攀猀栀 猀攀愀昀漀漀搀ⴀⴀ愀ഊrestaurant I'd planned on going to was undergoing renovations.
਀一攀眀最爀愀渀最攀Ⰰ 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 䤀✀洀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀攀搀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 眀愀礀 挀漀漀氀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 匀琀漀渀攀栀攀渀最攀Ⰰ 椀昀ഊat least in part because I was actually able to go inside, whereas with
਀匀琀漀渀攀栀攀渀最攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀✀爀攀 愀琀 愀 戀椀琀 漀昀 愀 搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀⸀  吀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 倀漀眀攀爀猀 吀栀愀琀ഊBe had just opened a new visitors' center when I was there, and it's got
਀猀漀洀攀 瘀攀爀礀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 眀愀氀欀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 琀愀欀攀 琀漀ഊget to the shuttle bus spot, which is along this path landscaped with
਀琀栀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 瀀氀愀渀琀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 漀最栀愀洀 愀氀瀀栀愀戀攀琀⸀ഊTara was kind of interesting, too.  We had a decent day for a view
਀⠀愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 爀甀洀漀爀 栀愀猀 椀琀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 愀氀氀 ㈀㘀 挀漀甀渀琀椀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀爀攀 漀渀ഊa really clear day).  Lots of really long grass, and interesting lumps
਀愀渀搀 搀椀琀挀栀攀猀ⴀⴀ爀攀愀氀氀礀 最愀瘀攀 洀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀渀猀 愀渀搀ഊarchaeologists who can actually make sense of it.
਀ഊ--maire "can you tell I'm partial?" ni nuanain
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 　㈀ 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㈀㨀㌀㐀㨀㔀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Sandra Kisner <sjk3 at cornell.edu>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䘀眀搀㨀 䈀䴀刀㨀 伀✀匀甀氀氀椀瘀愀渀Ⰰ 䠀漀猀瀀椀琀愀氀椀琀礀 椀渀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ഊ	Ireland (Waters)
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀䠀攀爀攀✀猀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀爀瀀琀⸀  䤀 挀愀渀 猀攀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 琀漀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀✀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀⸀  吀栀攀ഊreview is actually relatively short for BMR.
਀ഊSandra
਀ഊ> O'Sullivan, Catherine Marie, "Hospitality in Medieval Ireland,
਀㸀 㤀　　ⴀ㄀㔀　　∀⸀  䐀甀戀氀椀渀Ⰰ 䘀漀甀爀 䌀漀甀爀琀猀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ ㈀　　㐀⸀  倀瀀⸀ ㈀㜀㈀⸀ 㐀㔀 䜀䈀倀 嬀␀㔀㔀ഊ> USD]. ISBN 1851827455 (hb).
਀㸀ഊ> This volume sets out to address hospitality from a number of angles.
਀㸀 吀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀攀猀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 漀昀 琀爀愀瘀攀氀攀爀猀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 攀渀琀椀琀氀攀搀 琀漀ഊ> hospitality and discusses what each grade could expect in terms of
਀㸀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 氀漀搀最椀渀最 愀渀搀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀渀最 眀栀漀 眀愀猀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀 琀漀ഊ> supply hospitality and the particular demands placed on certain groups
਀㸀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀 椀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀昀攀猀猀椀漀渀愀氀 最甀攀猀琀栀漀甀猀攀 欀攀攀瀀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊ> learned classes.  She also addresses the demands hospitality placed on
਀㸀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀猀 愀渀搀 椀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 瘀愀爀礀椀渀最 洀攀愀渀猀⸀  䄀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 猀栀攀ഊ> explores the reasons this rigid system of hospitality was in place as
਀㸀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀栀攀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀 栀漀猀瀀椀琀愀戀氀攀 栀漀猀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀挀挀爀甀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊ> his actions.
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㤀 　㤀㨀㐀㘀㨀㐀㌀ ⬀㄀㄀　　 ⠀䔀匀吀⤀ഊFrom: "Cian Gillebhrath" <mniemann at labyrinth.net.au>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䰀漀挀栀愀挀崀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䄀爀洀愀最栀ഊTo: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" <lochac at sca.org.au>
਀ഊOn Wed, October 14, 2009 09:10, Sandra Bobleter wrote:
਀㰀㰀㰀 䌀愀渀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 琀攀氀氀 洀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 ⠀䤀爀椀猀栀⤀ 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䄀爀洀愀最栀 椀渀ഊEnglish, in print or online?  I've Googled but not come up with anything
਀攀砀挀攀瀀琀 愀 昀攀眀 攀砀挀攀爀瀀琀猀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ
਀䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 戀攀猀琀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最ഊ(which might be rare as I believe only 400 were originally printed).
਀ഊGwynn, John.   Liber Ardmachanus / The book of Armagh. Dublin: Pub. for
਀琀栀攀 刀漀礀愀氀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䄀挀愀搀攀洀礀 戀礀 䠀漀搀最攀猀 䘀椀最最椀猀 ☀ 䌀漀⸀㬀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀㨀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀猀 ☀ഊNorgate, 1913. Folio (32.5 cm, 12.75"). [4], ccxc, [2], 503, [1] pp.; 6
਀瀀氀琀猀⸀ഊ
਀䌀椀愀渀⸀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:51:51 +1100 (EST)
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀椀愀渀 䜀椀氀氀攀戀栀爀愀琀栀∀ 㰀洀渀椀攀洀愀渀渀 愀琀 氀愀戀礀爀椀渀琀栀⸀渀攀琀⸀愀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Lochac] Book of Armagh
਀吀漀㨀 ∀吀栀攀 匀栀愀洀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 䰀漀挀栀愀挀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀∀ 㰀氀漀挀栀愀挀 愀琀 猀挀愀⸀漀爀最⸀愀甀㸀ഊ
਀䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 䜀眀礀渀渀 戀漀漀欀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 椀渀 愀 瀀爀漀瀀漀猀攀搀 爀攀瀀爀椀渀琀㨀ഊhttp://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/14516//Location/Oxbow
਀ഊI don't know how much of it is a facsimile and how much is translated, but
਀琀栀攀 昀漀爀眀愀爀搀⼀攀砀瀀氀愀渀愀琀椀漀渀猀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀⸀ഊ
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਀ഊDate: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:34:52 +1030
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀愀渀搀爀愀 䈀漀戀氀攀琀攀爀 㰀戀漀戀氀　　　㄀ 愀琀 昀氀椀渀搀攀爀猀⸀攀搀甀⸀愀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Lochac] Book of Armagh
਀吀漀㨀 ∀吀栀攀 匀栀愀洀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 䰀漀挀栀愀挀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀∀ 㰀氀漀挀栀愀挀 愀琀 猀挀愀⸀漀爀最⸀愀甀㸀ഊ
਀䤀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀 礀漀甀爀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 䌀椀愀渀⸀  䐀攀猀瀀攀爀愀琀攀氀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 ഊto get one, but at 150 [pounds Sterling] they're wishing!  Wonder what they charge for postage?
਀ഊBianca.
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਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㤀 　㤀㨀㌀㐀㨀㄀㌀ ⬀㄀　㌀　ഊFrom: Sandra Bobleter <bobl0001 at flinders.edu.au>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䰀漀挀栀愀挀崀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䄀爀洀愀最栀ഊTo: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" <lochac at sca.org.au>
਀ഊGreetings, Lord Stefan,
਀吀栀攀 攀渀琀爀椀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 ✀瀀攀搀椀愀猀 挀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 氀椀猀琀 愀爀攀 ഊindeed correct; the Book of Armagh is kept on display with the Book of 
਀䬀攀氀氀猀⸀  圀栀椀氀攀 渀漀琀 愀琀 愀氀氀 攀砀挀椀琀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 爀攀最愀爀搀猀 琀漀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 ഊspecifically interested in it because it is meant to contain some 
਀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 吀甀愀琀栀愀 搀攀 䐀愀渀愀渀渀 漀爀 琀栀攀 匀椀搀栀攀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀猀猀甀洀攀 椀渀 眀栀愀琀 ഊis known as the first part of the Book, referring to St Patrick's life.  
਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 栀攀爀攀㨀ഊhttp://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/ffcc/ffcc240.htm#fn_219 - look at 
਀琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 昀漀漀琀渀漀琀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀Ⰰ 挀漀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 ഊexcerpt.
਀ഊBianca Valois.
਀ഊStefan li Rous wrote:
਀㰀㰀㰀 眀栀攀渀 眀愀猀 ഊthe original written and why would someone be interested in it, or a 
਀爀攀瀀爀椀渀琀 漀昀 椀琀㼀 䤀猀 琀栀椀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 昀漀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⠀䤀爀椀猀栀㼀⤀ 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 ഊor calligraphy? Irish tales?
਀ഊStefan >>>
਀ഊThe footnote mentioned above has this to say:
਀㈀㠀㌀㨀㄀ 䌀栀椀攀昀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀㨀 䰀攀 䌀礀挀氀攀 䴀礀琀栀漀氀漀最椀焀甀攀 䤀爀氀愀渀搀愀椀猀 ⠀倀愀爀椀猀Ⰰ ㄀㠀㠀㐀⤀ 愀渀搀 䰀✀䔀瀀漀瀀攀 挀攀氀琀椀焀甀攀 攀渀 䤀爀氀愀渀搀攀 ⠀倀愀爀椀猀Ⰰ ㄀㠀㤀㈀⤀ⴀⴀ戀漀琀栀 戀礀 䠀⸀ 䐀✀䄀爀戀漀椀猀 搀攀 䨀甀戀愀椀渀瘀椀氀氀攀⸀ 䌀栀椀攀昀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀㨀 吀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䄀爀洀愀最栀Ⰰ 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 攀挀挀氀攀猀椀愀猀琀椀挀愀氀 䴀匀匀⸀ 倀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 愀琀 䄀爀洀愀最栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 䄀⸀䐀⸀ 㠀　㜀 戀礀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 猀挀爀椀戀攀 䘀攀爀搀漀洀渀愀挀栀 漀昀 䄀爀洀愀最栀㬀 琀栀攀 䰀攀愀戀栀愀爀 渀愀 栀ⴀ唀椀搀爀攀 漀爀 ✀䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䐀甀渀 䌀漀眀✀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 䴀匀匀⸀ 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀 漀氀搀 䤀爀椀猀栀 爀漀洀愀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 挀漀洀瀀椀氀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 䄀⸀䐀⸀ ㄀㄀　　 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀渀愀猀琀攀爀礀 漀昀 䌀氀漀渀洀愀挀渀漀椀猀攀㬀 琀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䰀攀椀渀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀 琀眀攀氀昀琀栀ⴀ挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䴀匀 挀漀洀瀀椀氀攀搀 戀礀 䘀椀渀渀 䴀愀挀 䜀漀爀洀愀渀Ⰰ 䈀椀猀栀漀瀀 漀昀 䬀椀氀搀愀爀攀㬀 琀栀攀 夀攀氀氀漀眀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䰀攀挀愀渀 ⠀昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⤀㬀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䰀椀猀洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀 漀氀搀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䴀匀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 ㄀㠀㄀㐀 戀礀 眀漀爀欀洀攀渀 眀栀椀氀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 爀攀瀀愀椀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 漀昀 䰀椀猀洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 戀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䰀椀猀洀漀爀攀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀猀 琀栀攀 䄀最愀氀氀愀洀栀 渀愀 猀攀渀爀愀挀栀 漀爀 ✀䌀漀氀氀漀焀甀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䄀渀挀椀攀渀琀猀✀ 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 攀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 匀⸀ 䠀⸀ 伀✀䜀爀愀搀礀 椀渀 栀椀猀 匀椀氀瘀愀 䜀愀搀攀氀椀挀愀 ⠀䰀漀渀搀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㠀㤀㈀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀礀 圀栀椀琀氀攀礀 匀琀漀欀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀爀⸀ 吀攀砀琀攀Ⰰ 椀瘀⸀ 䤀⸀ 䘀漀爀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 琀攀砀琀猀 愀渀搀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀攀砀琀猀 猀攀攀 一漀琀攀猀 戀礀 刀⸀ 䤀⸀ 䈀攀猀琀 琀漀 栀椀猀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 䰀攀 䌀礀挀氀攀 䴀礀琀栀漀氀漀最椀焀甀攀 䤀爀氀愀渀搀愀椀猀 ⠀䐀甀戀氀椀渀Ⰰ ㄀㤀　㌀⤀⸀ഊ
਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris	Ireland-msg	Page 30 of 30
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