Estonia-msg - 10/19/13

Medieval Estonia. Medieval sites, food.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:02:15 -0500
From: Stephanie Ross <the.red.ross at gmail.com>
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Estonian food

I had the great fortune to have visited the country of Estonia twice since
2008. I have been to Tallinn, the capitol, which is right on the coast of
the Gulf of Finland, twice, and took a bus ride to look at the folk
costumes and viking stuff at the Estonian National Museum in
Tartu (research for my Russian persona, doncha know). However, I quickly
found out that the Estonians hate the Russians that were brought in during
communist times. And I mean HATE. It was difficult for me as an American
(and a Rusophile) to see the blatant racism. Although I do understand it as
about 25% of the population of Estonia are transplanted/second generation
immigrants from Russia. Estonia stopped publishing its laws in Russian in
2009 and also shut down the Russian newspapers. One is only an Estonian
citizen if one can prove paternal heritage in the country before WWII.
Being born there does not make one a citizen, so the Russians are SOL.

Tallinn is the only intact medieval city left in Europe because Hitler
wanted to live there after the war, so he never bombed Estonia. It is quite
the tourist city with visitors from all over the world. There is a medieval
restaurant there called Olde Hansa, after the Hanseatic League that ruled
Estonia and the Nordic countries during the late middle ages (
www.oldehansa.ee). The restaurant also has a bakery that serves meat pies
for take away - the carrot and parsnip one was divine and unusual. I loved
walking down the cobblestone street eating a hot meatpie fresh from the
oven. The only thing that would have made it better was if I had been in
garb, although the street vendors that serve spiced nuts were in 14 cent.
medieval clothing, and Olde Hansa had a medieval store where I could have
bought clothes, shoes and ceramics. I did buy a Bartman mug for my former
lord. I saw the original from an archeology dig in a museum in Riga, Latvia
on my second trip.  The best part about Estonia is that everyone under 35
is fluent in English because of the Internat/Skype.

Of course I bought a cookbook on my first visit. The cookbook had the most
beautiful tablet-woven belt pictures on the front cover. Estonia is the
only country in the world (that I know of) where they still make
tablet-woven belts for their national costumes. I bought a half-dozen (all
they had) 3" square wooden weaving tablets at the museum in Tartu - wish I
could have found more! Here is a wonderful Estonian food blog
www.nami-nami.blogspot.com. I met the author Pille on my first visit to
Tallinn for dinner, when she took me to Olde Hansa. Food in Estonia is very
German - boiled potatoes, cream sauces, the best sauerkraut that I have
ever eaten, boiled meat, sausages and cabbage.

I plan to post a recipe for an Estonian type of potato salad called risolje
when I get to work. As I was flipping through the pages trying to find it,
two things jumped out at me regarding recent discussions on this list. The
first was regarding groats, which refers to crushed barley in northern
Estonia. The groats were cooked in water in a 10 to one ratio of water to
groats, then milk was added at the end of the cooking time. "Groat broth
was eaten with bread (OMG, the black and wheat bread there was to die for)
and baltic herring". This book also mentiones birch sap that was made into
a fermented drink in eastern Estonia.

At Tallinn Technical University, where I stayed with my travel companions
in the dormatories, the cafeteria served a meat-filled bread ball that was
fantastic and for which I cannot find a recipe anywhere. Is there anything
like it in period? It wasn't a dumpling like pelmeni; it was literally a
white bread ball baked with ground meat in the middle. I would buy three at
breakfast and put them in my pockets to eat later. I think they would make
a great portable breakfast for SCA if only I could find a recipe or more
info about them. OK, off to work, will post the recipe later.

AEschwynne


Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:18:02 -0200
From: Ana Vald?s <agora158 at gmail.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Estonian food

We had something very similar to what you described in Swedish food (Sweden
ruled Estonia and Latvia and Lituany under many years), it's called
"kroppkakor". It's made with potatos, as a kind of big Italian gnocchi or
dumpling. It's filled with ground meat and it taste wonderful.

http://www.food.com/recipe/swedish-kroppkakor-61420
http://kokblog.johannak.com/58/

Ana


Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:20:08 -0500
From: Stephanie Ross <the.red.ross at gmail.com>
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Estonian food-rosolje

*Rosolje  (Salad)*

All the ingredients in this salad are completely typical of Estonian
cuisine. The dressing is cream-based, rather than the typical mayonnaise
dressing more common in Western Europe.
*Recipe Serving:* Serves 4

*Ingredients*
*Salad
*2 cups (450 ml) cold meat (Parisa, Fritz, roast or ham), cubed
3 fillets salted herring, soaked overnight, rinsed, and chopped
4 hard boiled eggs, chopped
6 potatoes, boiled, peeled, and cubed
4 dill pickles, chopped
2 onions, minced
2 apples, chopped
3 beets, boiled, peeled, and cubed
*Dressing
*1 cup (225 ml) sour cream
1 tsp (5 ml) mustard
1/2 tsp (2.5 g) sugar
2 tbsp (30 ml) vinegar
Salt and pepper to taste

*Instructions*

1.      Combine all the salad ingredients.

2.      Separately, whisk together dressing ingredients.

3.      Mix dressing well with salad ingredients and serve.


Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:41:48 -0500
From: Stephanie Ross <the.red.ross at gmail.com>
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Estonian food

Ana wrote:
<<< We had something very similar to what you described in Swedish food (Sweden
ruled Estonia and Latvia and Lituany under many years), it's called
"kroppkakor". It's made with potatos, as a kind of big Italian gnocchi or
dumpling. It's filled with ground meat and it taste wonderful. >>>

These kroppkakor are very similar to the potato balls that the Hispanics
(Cubans and Mexicans) make where I live in Florida. Not quite the same as
the meat-filled bread balls I had in Estonia, however; the bread was
distinctly NOT potato-based. I thought they might be Scandinavian because
Estonians today consider themselves Scandinavian and not Slavic, besides
the fact that Sweden ruled Estonia twice before and after the Hanseatic
league. I am dying to get my hands on the book "The Estonians Vikings" to
compare and contrast what we know about the Danish and Scandinavian
Vikings, and how they headed into Russia from Estonia.

A unique schmear that Estonians make for their bread is "egg butter", which
is butter mixed with chopped hard-boiled eggs, salt, chives, parsley and
dill (Estonians love dill, and boiled potatoes are always seasoned with it)
and sometimes sour cream is added too to make it lighter in texture.

There is a section in my book about how food was eaten/prepared "in times
past". Modern cookstoves did not come into being until 1860 - before that
they cooked in pots hung over the fire. Bread was baked once a week
(although there is no description of the ovens, sadly, except that
kohlrabi, turnips and later potatoes were cooked in the hot coals) and
Wednesday and Saturday were fasting, meatless days each week when the
family ate from the pot of porridge. (Always makes me think of the nursery
rhyme "pease porridge hot"). Vegetables, milk and water were added as
necessary to make the consistancy better when reheating it. Meat went from
being roasted in the oven before 1860 to being boiled on the stovetop or
fried in the pan. Pancakes became a staple after this time; before they
baked buns and bread but pancakes were easier to cook on the stovetop. Fish
started being fried at this time too, whereas before it was either baked or
boiled. Rye bread, barley porridge, roasted pork, sauerkraut and cabbage,
pickles, salted herring and fresh fish were the main staples of the diet
for nobles and farmers alike.

Here is a recipe for a lemon drink that is certainly "period-oid" made with
honey, lemon and yeast, a type of small mead it would seem. They also
describe how beer was made for the home if anyone is interested in that
information. There is also a recipe for a type of "kvas", a Russian
bread-based fermented drink that the Estonians call "Leivakali" which I can
also share if anyone is interested. My eating habits have changed since I
visted there. I now drink keefir at home. I used to buy a small glass every
morning at breakfast in Estonia, and I was thrilled to find it recently in
my local grocery stores. Keefir is definitely a staple drink in Estonia, as
well I'm sure in the Scandinavian countries.

Honey-Lemon Drink

700 g honey
5 liters water
25 g yeast
1-3 lemons

Bring the water to a boil. Add the lemon slices and cool to 40 degrees C.
Mix in the honey and let it cool completely. Finally add the yeast and let
it brew until froth forms. Pour into jars and secure tightly with lids.
Store in a cool place.

AEschwynne


Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:15:26 +0100
From: David Friedman <ddfr at daviddfriedman.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Estonian food

I visited Olde Hansa a few years ago. The decor is lovely but, at least 
then, the food wasn't consistently period. Not only did they serve 
coffee, the recipes, so far as I could tell, were invented by the 
proprietor on the basis of his guesses, not actually taken from period 
cookbooks. I don't know if that situation has changed since.

On 1/28/13 2:02 PM, Stephanie Ross wrote:
<<<
...

Tallinn is the only intact medieval city left in Europe because Hitler
wanted to live there after the war, so he never bombed Estonia. It is quite
the tourist city with visitors from all over the world. There is a medieval
restaurant there called Olde Hansa, after the Hanseatic League that ruled
Estonia and the Nordic countries during the late middle ages (
www.oldehansa.ee). The restaurant also has a bakery that serves meat pies
for take away - the carrot and parsnip one was divine and unusual. I loved
walking down the cobblestone street eating a hot meatpie fresh from the
oven. The only thing that would have made it better was if I had been in
garb, although the street vendors that serve spiced nuts were in 14 cent.
medieval clothing, and Olde Hansa had a medieval store where I could have
bought clothes, shoes and ceramics. I did buy a Bartman mug for my former
lord. I saw the original from an archeology dig in a museum in Riga, Latvia
on my second trip.  The best part about Estonia is that everyone under 35
is fluent in English because of the Internat/Skype.
...
AEschwynne >>>
-- 
David/Cariadoc
www.daviddfriedman.com
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/


Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:36:26 -0500
From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Estonian food

Estonia is featured in a chapter in the book:
Medieval Food Traditions in Northern Europe. Edited by Sabine Karg. Copenhagen: National Museum of Denmark, 2007. (National Museum Studies in Archaeology & History volume 12.) Botanical lists of plants gleaned from various sites. Hanseatic Germany, Estonia, and Northern Poland; medieval Finland; Sweden and the Hanse; also medieval Denmark; and Norway. 

You might find it of interest. 

Johnnae


Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500
From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Olde Hansa was Estonian food

Cooks Con 2 or more properly European Cooking from Rome to the Renaissance which was held back in January 2002 had a session on the Olde Hansa Restaurant.

Titled "A Medieval Restaurant in the 20th and 21st Centuries" by Judy Gerjuoy. That's Mistress Jaelle. She actually helped with the development of the restaurant.

We discussed their website and menu quite  bit back in 2004.
http://www.oldehansa.org/

Johnnae


Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:19:12 +0100
From: David Friedman <ddfr at daviddfriedman.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Olde Hansa was Estonian food

On 1/28/13 7:50 PM, Johnna Holloway wrote:
<<< Cooks Con 2 or more properly European Cooking from Rome to the Renaissance which was held back in January 2002 had a session on the Olde Hansa Restaurant. >>>

Titled "A Medieval Restaurant in the 20th and 21st Centuries" by Judy Gerjuoy. That's Mistress Jaelle. She actually helped with the development of the restaurant.
Or at least tried to.

As best I could tell, the proprietor was a chef and not inclined to use 
the recipes Jaelle provided, preferring to invent his own. Again, that 
was some years back--I went with Jaelle.
-- 
David/Cariadoc
www.daviddfriedman.com
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/

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