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Byzantine culture, clothing, commerce.


NOTE: See also the files: cl-Byzantine-msg, Byzant-Cerem-art, ME-feasts-msg, ME-dance-msg, commerce-msg, Balkans-msg, Turkey-msg, fd-Byzantine-msg.





This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.


This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org


I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter.


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Thank you,

    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                          Stefan at florilegium.org



From: jeffs at math.bu.edu (Jeff Suzuki)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: new persona

Date: 25 Sep 1995 21:25:52 GMT

Organization: Boston University


Lynn J. Neergaard (ljnrsch at nmt.edu) wrote:

: Hi folks. Hubby and I recently decided to change personas.  We wish to be

: Byzantines about 12-1300 AD.  Any one out there have references to Byzantine

: garb,commerce and healing arts?


A neat book I have (oddly enough, right here in my office, next to

_Probability and Measure Theory_...) is _Imperial Constantinople_, by

D. A. Miller.  Lots of neat info.


Psellus' _Twelve Byzantine Emperors_ (or something like it) was a

pretty fun read, except for those parts where you learned in tedious

detail exactly where the term "byzantine politics" came from!


William the Alchymist



From: jeffs at bu.edu (Jeff Suzuki)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Looking for "Byzantine information"

Date: 29 Jun 1996 22:20:32 GMT

Organization: Boston University


: bjm10 at cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) wrote:

: > Well, I've decided for grins to take on an alternate persona.  I've

: > decided to be an inhabitant of the Roman Empire under the Comnensian

: > dynasty or maybe just before Manzikert, not sure yet.

: >

: > I realize that some folks might try to "correct" me and claim that this

: > was the "Byzantine" empire, but they considered themselves to be "Romans",

: > even when they were in warfare against the "Latins".

: >

: > So, any sources on clothing, food, attitudes, etc? I'm already teaching

: > myself Koine Greek (which is not Byzantine Greek, but it's a start).


An interesting book I picked up a while ago, filled with all sorts of

useful information, is called _Imperial Constantinople_, by

D. A. Miller; it deals with the life and times of people in the city

during the Empire.





From: zarazena at io.com (Vicki Marsh)

To: ansteorra at eden.com

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:16:42 -0500 (CDT)

Subject: Byzantium on the web


I thought some of you might enjoy checking out some websites I found the

other day.



Byzantine and Medieval Web Links


Byzantium: The Byzantine Studies Page


Dumbarton Oaks Publications


Byzantine Chess


Bibliography on Women in Byzantium 1996


Somewhere in there I located another web page on Art in the Vatican.  Pretty



Zara Zina (spending way too much time playing and not enough time studying

my real coursework)



From: zarazena at io.com (Vicki Marsh)

To: ansteorra at eden.com

Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:46:16 -0600 (CST)

Subject: Re: Latin rubbish/Greek to me


Greetings from Zara Zina,


>Lord Jovian possibly muttered...


>Another question: I just got another book on Byzantine history and

>they state that Medieval Greek and Modern Greek are very similar. Does

>this mean that I can pick up modern Greek textbooks and phrase books

>and speak closely to how my persona would have?


Jovian, in "Everyday Life in Byzantium" by Tamara Talbot Rice, Barnes &

Noble Books, 1994, ISBN 0-88029-145-1, p. 193, Rice states that "As in

present-day Greece, three forms of Greek were in simultaneous use from about

the eight century: the vernacular Romaic was used by the uneducated, Attic

Greek was used by educated people when writing, and a more elaborated

version for conversation.  The last was closer to classical Greek that to

Romaic and was used for orations, thus widening the gap between the written

and spoken forms."


As you are from a noble family, you would probably know and be able to speak

all three - like High, Middle, and low German.  Time to learn how to read

Homer - Can you memorize your 50 lines a day?? That's what was required of

the school children.


BTW, I finally got it in gear and found some information about the

Calligraphic style.  Caroline or Carolingian miniscule was in use fro the

8th - 12th century and would have been used when writing Latin.  The

Emperors commonly employed Greek and Latin scribes.  In writing Greek, a

script called Greek miniscule was used from the 10th - 12th century.  I have

also seen reference but no examples of a Beneventan script dating from

1087-13th c. from Benevento in Southern Italy.  It was also in use at Cava

Capula, Bari, and in Dalmatia.


Italy came to using Gothic towards the end of the 13th century.


Sources: ibid. above

        "ILLUMINATED MANUSCRIPTS, The Book before Gutenberg", Giulia

Bologna, Random House, 1995, ISBN 0-517-12083-6


        This is an excellent book, with good histories of Latin scripts.

Mark Harris/Stefan asked me about Carolingian Scripts and how they would

have travelled to Byzantium.  This book outlines its journey from

Charlemagne's reign (768-814) where it developed in the scriptoria of the

area between the Rhine and the Loire, spreading in use throughout Spain,

Italy, England, France,& Germany.  


Zara Zina



Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:42:27 -0700 (PDT)

From: Heidi Johnson <heidij at rocketmail.com>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: ROM Byzantine Web Site!


---Janine Goldman-Pach  wrote:


> I was at the Art Gallery of Ontario

> at 6 PM when I found a flyer to a brand new Byzantine gallery at the Royal

> Ontario Museum which had just closed for the evening and I was leaving

> first thing in the morning before the ROM opened. The gallery is new

> enough that their web site has no pictures from it and I have emailed the

> curator but received no response.


    The web site is up and running!  And the wonderful sample pictures

make me want to beg, borrow, or steal money to get there. <sigh>

Well, maybe they'll have a catalogue some day.  Anyway, the address is:



They also have a nice timeline of Emperors with a brief bio for each.

If you're looking for a way to pass the time, make up a list and check

off every time the words "poisoned," "murdered," "blinded," or

"deposed" come up.  Use a large piece of paper.


Kassia of Trebizond, Barony of Nordskogen

mka Heidi Johnson



Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:29:28 +0000

From: Scot Eddy <seddy at vvm.com>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

Subject: ANST - Byzantine Emperors


In a previous post someone added a Byzantine webpage link (thanks,

that was really interesting. Some stuff I hadn't seen before) At the

end they stated that we should look at all of the Emperors that had

been forcibly removed from the throne. Here for your general enjoyment

and for chroniclers in need of material for their newsletter is a

comprehensive list of those rulers.


Jovian Skleros



        Eighty-eight emperors sat on the Byzantine throne from 324 AD - 1453

AD, twenty nine of them met violent ends. Here are the rulers, dates

of their demise, and method of their "removal."


Basilicus         477 AD      Starved in prison

Zeno              491 AD      Buried alive

Maurice           602 AD      Decapitated

Phocas            610 AD      Dismembered

Heracleonas       641 AD      Mutilated

Constantine III   641 AD      Poisoned

Constas II        668 AD      Bludgeoned in his bath

Leonitus          705 AD      Decapitated

Tiberius III      705 AD      Decapitated

Justinian II      711 AD      Decapitated

Phillipucus       713 AD      Blinded

Constantine VI    797 AD      Blinded

Leo V              820 AD      Stabbed and decapitated

Michael III       867 AD      Stabbed

Constantine VII   959 AD      Poisoned

Romanus II        963 AD      Poisoned

Nicephorus II     969 AD      Stabbed and decapitated

John I            976 AD      Poisoned

Romanus III      1034 AD      Poisoned and drowned

Michael V        1042 AD      Blinded

Romanus IV       1071 AD      Poisoned and blinded

Alexius II       1183 AD      Strangled and decapitated

Andronicus I     1185 AD      Mutilated and tortured

Isaac II         1193 AD      Blinded

Alexius IV       1204 AD      Strangled

Alexius V        1204 AD      Blinded and maimed

John IV          1261 AD      Blinded

Andronicus IV    1374 AD      Blinded

John VII         1374 AD      Blinded



To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

From: njones at ix.netcom.com

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:56:57 -0500

Subject: ANST - Book Review - Between Two Worlds


A good friend of mine has been writing book reviews on a wide variety of

topics for many years.  Every once in a while something comes along that

I think is neat and would like to share.  Below is his review of a book

that deals with the beginnings of the Ottoman Empire.






     title: Between Two Worlds

          : The Construction of the Ottoman State

        by: Cemal Kafadar

publisher: University of California Press 1995

     other: 221 pages, notes, bibliography, index, US$18.95


Early in the 14th century, Osman, son of Ertogril, became the leader of a

minor beglik, one of many small political units on the Anatolian marches

of Islam.  Through a combination of commitment to _gaza_ (loosely,

"holy war"), alliances with other gazis (and a pragmatic attitude to

alliances with the heathen), an advantageous geographical location, an

unusual commitment to unigeniture, and a good deal of luck, this beglik

was to expand, under Osman and his successors, into the Ottoman Empire.

Despite defeat by Timur at the battle of Ankara in 1402, the Ottomans were

to cross into Thrace and, in 1453, take Constantinople. As the Ottoman

state expanded, politically centrifugal and religiously heterodox elements

of the original _gaza_ ethos were discarded in favour of a centralising

ideology and religious orthodoxy.


It is not till the last chapter of _Between Two Worlds_, however,

that Kafadar describes the story of the Ottoman rise to power and

the construction of the Ottoman state.  He begins with an overview of

the background history and some brief remarks on national identity and

influence, trying to give the reader a feel for the struggles that have

been, and continue to be, fought over national histories. Also helpful

for the novice to the period (or for those, like me, who only know it from

a Byzantine perspective) are a chronology of events and a list of the

regnal years of the Ottoman begs and sultans from Osman to Bayezid II.

(The absence of a map is unfortunate, however, since many of the places

referred to don't appear, or appear under other names, in modern



After this introduction, Kafadar surveys the historians of the early

Ottomans: their engagements with issues of nationalism, their approaches

to the sources, and their differing stresses on religious, economic,

geographical, and ethnic factors.  He touches briefly on Knolles (who

wrote in the sixteenth century) and Gibbons, but his chief focus is on

Koprulu and Wittek and their attempt to place the Ottomans within the

broader context of Anatolian history.  The field has been dominated

by Wittek's gaza thesis, which stressed the role of gazis and the gaza

ethos in the Ottoman expansion.  Kafadar argues that "refutations" of

this thesis based on discrepancies between gaza ideology and Ottoman

practice miss the point, since the gaza thesis is not bound to idealised

and anachronistic definitions of _gaza_.


Kafadar devotes his longest chapter to a critical analysis of the sources

for the period.  Little in the way of early Ottoman writing survives,

but there are two other important bodies of sources. Stories from

Anatolian frontier culture provide essential background for understanding

_gaza_ and gazis and the religious experience of the milieu, while the

later Ottoman chronicle tradition, though it has been filtered through

later orthodoxy and must be used with extreme care, provides critical

information.  Kafadar looks at several individual works and episodes

in detail, but stresses that the sources must be evaluated as parts of

evolving complexes of traditions.


And so, before they come to the actual history, the reader has an

understanding of the different ways historians have approached the period

and of the sources and the debates over their use.  Such integration

of history and historiography is unusual, and makes for an elegant and

sophisticated study.  _Between Two Worlds_ is both a scholarly review

and an introduction accessible to the newcomer, and for me it was a

hundred and fifty pages of pure pleasure.



Disclaimer: I requested and received a review copy of _Between Two

Worlds_ from the University of California Press, but I have no stake,

financial or otherwise, in its success.



%T      Between Two Worlds

%S      The Construction of the Ottoman State

%A      Cemal Kafadar

%I      University of California Press

%C      Berkeley

%D      1995

%O      paperback, notes, bibliography, index, US$18.95

%G      ISBN 0-520-20600-2

%P      xx,221pp

%K      history, historiography, Islam


17 September 1997



        Copyright (c) 1997 Danny Yee (danny at cs.su.oz.au)





To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

From: "Vicki Marsh" <zarazina at flash.net>

Subject: Re: ANST - Byzantine

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 14:16:00 PDT


Mistress Meadhbh honored me thusly:

> Talk to HE Zara Zehna (baroness of Elfsea), she does a lot of Byzantine

> clothing.


Most of the original costuming I have done was based on the mosaics of Justinian and Theodora, which dates from the fifth century. However, the high court regalia didn't change much over the ensuing centuries until the influence of the Turks began to be felt in the 12th -14th c.


I have come across some other web pages that you might find of interest:

Gallery: Byzantine Images : http://www.bway.net/~halsall/images.html

SCA Byzantine : http://www.netaxs.com/~blktauna/byzantine.html

Dumbarton Oaks Byzantine: http://www.doaks.org/Byzantine.html

Byzantine and Medieval Web Links: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/med/medweb.html


I also have written some supporting documentation for some of my clothes that I am willing to share with anyone who asks for it.  I also have documentation and

sources for Byzantine names.  The Academy of St. Gabriel has a good web page for

Byz. names also, but I have located more feminine names than those they have



It was an amazing empire - one that was comprised of many different cultures, and stretched over more that a millenium.  If you wish to have a Byzantine persona, and do it well, you really need to nail down a time and region of the Empire you would have lived in.  It really helps (I'm still working on that!!). At one point, the Empire stretched from Spain to North Africa, Egypt and all around the Mediterranian. Which religious sect would you have belonged to, the Arians, the Metaphysites, or the Niceans?  If you lived in Constantinople, which of the Circus Factions were you aligned with, the Blues or the Greens? Or were you Jewish, Turkish, etc..? Did your family come from a certain guild? They had a strong guild system.


The University of Texas at Arlington has a lot of books on the subject, and I feel like I am just scratching the surface. Please write to me at zarazina at flash.net or vam1554 at utarlg.uta.edu if you want to get more information.


Baroness Zara Zina Theanos



Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:42:08 -0800

From: "Crystal A. Isaac" <crystal at pdr-is.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Byzantine cooking


Dan Gillespie (Antoine) wrote:

>         Does anyone know of any period cooking sources from the Byzantine

> empire?  There is Apicius & the Greek originals that it is supposed based

> on, but is there anything later than that?


There is a 6th century letter on food health and correct eating for

kings by Anthimus, a Byzantine physician to Theoderic, King of the

Franks(circa 526). It has been translated by Shirley Howard Weber in her

dissertation, _Anthimus, De Observatio Ciborum: Text, Commentary, and

Glossary with a Study of the Latinity. A Dissertation..._ and published

by E. J. Brill Ltd., Leiden 1924. It's English translation with the

Latin on the facing pages; includes a glossary and index. There's a copy

in the Stanford University Library.


I recently saw another translation but do not remember the translator's

name. I think I saw it in Potboiler press, NY.


If anyone has another source for Byzantine cooking I would love to hear

about it. I wanted to do a Byzantine feast but could not find enough



Crystal of the Westermark, AoA

(mka Crystal A. Isaac)



Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:48:36 -0700 (MST)

From: "Jamey R. Lathrop" <jlathrop at unm.edu>

Subject: Re: SC - Byzantine cooking


On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Crystal A. Isaac wrote:

> There is a 6th century letter on food health and correct eating for

> kings by Anthimus, a Byzantine physician to Theoderic, King of the

> Franks(circa 526). It has been translated by Shirley Howard Weber in her

> dissertation, _Anthimus, De Observatio Ciborum: Text, Commentary, and

> Glossary with a Study of the Latinity. A Dissertation..._ and published

> by E. J. Brill Ltd., Leiden 1924. It's English translation with the


> I recently saw another translation but do not remember the translator's

> name. I think I saw it in Potboiler press, NY.


> Crystal of the Westermark, AoA


I recently purchased the Mark Grant translation from the Food Heritage



        _ANTHIMUS: De obseruatione ciborum, ON THE OBSERVANCE OF FOODS_,

        Prospect Books, 1996.  ISBN 0907325 750


It also has the latin and english on opposite pages for comparison, along

with historical information and great notes.


Lady Allegra Beati

Barony of al-Barran




Subject: ANST - Byzantine References

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 11:39:01 MST

From: stddly at SHSU.edu

To: ANSTEORRA at Ansteorra.ORG


I found a page with a really good Bibliography


the Byzantine Resource Page






Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:45:43 -0600

From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>

Subject: RE: SC - Byzantine cuisine--sources?


> Try Anna Comnena (don't remember the name of the work, but the author's

> name should get the title for you) -- she was the aformentioned "Emperor

> Irene"'s grandaughter, I believe.


The Alexiad.  It was a history of her father's (Alexius Comnenus I) life.


Anna may have been related to Irene, but there is a good 200 year gap

between them.  Irene became regent for her son in 780, was deposed in 802

and died on Lesbos in 803.  Anna was born at the end of the 11th Century and

died in the middle of the 12th Century.


Lineal dissent may be questionable as Issac Comnenus siezed power in

Byzantium in 1057, establishing the Comnenus dynasty.


> Also, remember that Byzantium grew out of Roman civilization, and at

> some points streched as far west as Ravili (I believe is the name of the

> town -- it's a town in NE Italy).  I would expect at least some Roman

> influence as well, depending on how far back you go, and who you are

> calling "byzantium."


> toodles, margaret


The Byzantine Empire was established around 330 and lasted until 1453.  The

core of the Empire was Asia Minor and the Balkan peninsula which controlled

trade through the Dardanelles.  In the 6th Century, Justinian I expanded the

boundaries of the Empire to include most of Italy destroying the Ostrogoth

Empire there.  By the end of the 6th Century effectively controlled much of

the eastern Mediterranean.  The Empire's primary enemies were the Lombards

in the West and the Persians in the East.  Islam and the Turks later

replaced the Persians.  Between the 7th and 11th Centuries the empire lost

ground to its various enemies, but retained its hold on the core provinces.

There were resurgences, but none of Byzantium's Emperors regained the

boundries set by Justinian.


Since Byzantium maintained relations with various Italian city states even

after they lost Italy, I would expect Italian cooking from Apicius to the

15th Century to have influenced them.





From: Paul Halsall <phalsall at unf.edu>

To: byzans-l at lists.missouri.edu <byzans-l at lists.missouri.edu>;

mediev-l at ukans.edu <mediev-l at ukans.edu>

Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 5:04 PM

Subject: Chilander on CD


Chilander is a monastery on Mount Athos which in 1198 was refounded by

St. Sava as a the Serbian monastery on Athos.


At the Byzantine Studies Conference this past weekend Dr. Taylor

Hostetter [hilandercd at hotmail.com] presented one of the most fascinating

CD-Roms I have ever seen.


Called, _In the Heart of Hilander_ ($32) it is a complete three

dimensional presentation of the monastery church of the foundation. The

work presents a complete photographic record of the inside and outside

of the Church (think of a sort of Byzantine version of Myst or Doom), in

which every image of the Church is viewable, many in different sizes

(although the pictures are not scalable.) Moving the cursor over each

image calls up the identity of the figure in question, feast days of the

figure, and a great deal of additional information.


The work allow much more than this. It also allows sectional views,

views of the monastery church at different periods of its construction,

examination of the use of space, and an ability to see the frescos

without the current monastic furniture (iconstands and so forth.)


Other modules allow you to play Serbian church music in the background,

to explore the architectural forms of a Byzantine church, to trace the

history of Mt Athos, and even to follow Bible stories through the

paintings. There are even a series of inbuilt databases on the images

which users can access.


In all the disk claims to contain nearly 5000 images on over 3000 pages,

with the ability to see every one of the 950 wall paintings individually

and in context.


In other words, this is a stunning achievement -- a CD which does things

that no book can do, and in a depth that will satisfy almost anyone. The

promise that it might be a model for further presentations of

architectural monuments is only icing on the cake.


Supposedly a website on the project will be set up soon -- with the URL





In the meantime, I really would encourage any one who wants to enthuse

students about Byzantium, the medieval Balkans, or the middle ages in

general, to get hold of the disk. Students I have been showing it to in

my office all day long have left with their eyes popping.


Paul Halsall



Subject: ANST - All Things Byzantine

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:55:21 -600

From: gunnora at realtime.net

To: Ansteorra-Laurels at ansteorra.org

CC: Ansteorra at ansteorra.org


I thought I'd pass this along for Xene and anyone else that may be


A list for all things Byzantine is starting at:






From: David Read <david at dreadful.demon.co.uk>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,soc.history.medieval

Subject: Re: Byzantine 11th Century

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 07:45:55 +0100


Andrew Hodgson <wh116 at victoria.tc.ca> writes

>I require information on the clothing of Byzantine Empire during the 11th

>Century. Either books or web-pages would be of great help.


Try this one:-




From: "David C. Pugh" <davidpug at online.no>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,soc.history.medieval

Subject: Re: Byzantine 11th Century

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:19:28 +0200


Andrew Hodgson <wh116 at victoria.tc.ca> wrote

> I require information on the clothing of Byzantine Empire during the 11th

> Century. Either books or web-pages would be of great help.


Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium, edited Kazhdan.



From: joylana at aol.com (Joylana)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Date: 08 Oct 2000 13:42:12 GMT

Subject: Re: Byzantine 11th Century


> I require information on the clothing of Byzantine Empire during the

> 11th Century. Either books or web-pages would be of great help.


Here is partial biblio of books that i have in my library.   any further info

i'd be glad to share.





Bibliography of  Byzantine Study


Ancient Greek, Roman, and

        Byzantine Costume & Decoration          Mary G. Houston {libraries}


Art of Europe

        The Dark Ages from Teodoric to Charlemagne      Paola Verzone


Art of the Byzantine Era                                David Talbot Rice


Byzantine Armies 886-1118                               Ian Heath


Byzantine Aspects of Italy                              Daniel Crena De Iongh


Coptic Fabrics                                  Marie-Helene Rutschowscaya


Costume Pattern and Design                      Max Tilke


Cut My Cote                                     Dorothy K. Burnham


Dawn of the Middle Ages                         Michael Grant


Early Christian & Byzantine Architecture        William MacDonald


The Encyclopedia of Ornament                    A. Racinet


Everyday Life in Byzantium                      Tamara Talbot Rice


Fashion at the Center of the World              Veleda of Isenfir*


The Grammar of Ornament                         Owen Jones


Handbook of the Byzantine Collection            Dunbarton Oaks, Washington


The History of Beads                            Lois Sherr Dubin


Masterpieces of Serbian Goldsmith's Work        Victoria and Albert Museum

13th - 18th Century


The Mysterious Fayum Portraits

       Faces from Ancient Egypt                 Euphrosyne Doxiadis


Ravenna San Vitale

       Sant'Apollinare in Classe        Franz Bartl and Julie Boehringer


Saint Vitale de Ravenee                         Giuseppe Bovini


Splendors of Christiandom                       Dmitri Kessel


*Society of Creative Anachronism persona



From: "Jon Meltzer" <jmeltzer at pobox.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,soc.history.medieval

Subject: Re: Byzantine 11th Century

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:22:24 -0400


"Andrew Hodgson" <wh116 at victoria.tc.ca> wrote

> I require information on the clothing of Byzantine Empire during the 11th

> Century. Either books or web-pages would be of great help.


> Andrew


Though a bit out of date, "The Cambridge Medieval History", 2nd edition,

vol. 4 and Ostrogorsky's "History of the Byzantine State" could give you a

start. Also check Warren Treadgold's "A History of the Byzantine State and




Subject: ANST-Announce - Steven Runciman-RIP

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:04:35 -0600

From: "Vicki Marsh" <XaraXene at home.com>

To: "Ansteorra-Announce" <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>


Xene here:  This has been on several history and Byzantine lists.


His small book, "Byzantine Civilization", first published in 1933, then

republished in 1994 by Barnes & Nobles Books (ISBN 1-56619-574-8) is a

wonderful overview for anyone interested in a Byzantine persona.

He was also the author of the three volume set, "The First Crusades".


We have lost a great historian.




Steven Runciman died Nov 1 at the age of 97.


>From the London times extensive obituary:


"Sir Steven Runciman


Scholar, linguist and gossip, whose revisionist History of the Crusades and

studies of Byzantium were massively researched and widely read


Steven Runciman was famous for throwing light on some very dark ages, and

attempting, as he said the historian must, "to record in one great sweeping

sequence the greater events and movements that have swayed the destiny of

man". But as well as being the leading historian of the Crusades, he was a

world traveller, the companion of royalty - at least four queens were said

to have turned out for his 80th birthday - and an aficionado of the foibles

of the powerful, whether past or present. Details of forgotten personalities

glint in all his writings, and he could discourse about ancient genealogies,

scandals and feuds until the crusaders came home."



Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:16:14 -0700

From: "Wanda Pease" <wandapease at bigfoot.com>

Subject: RE: SC - Byzantium


> Andrea asked:

> >Can anyone point me to web links/info about Byzantium and their food??


Not necessarily food, but the most comprehensive site for Byzantine studies

and "stuff" is at:



I'd also recommend going to the ORB website (linked with the above).  The

sites are built for and maintained by scholars in the field, but it's been

my experience that an interested and polite question about something

specific (they get a bit antsy if they think you want to use them rather

than do your own research for a school paper) is treated as sincere.  At

least one of the "scholars" has been on the BoD. He has real academic

credentials and teaches Medieval Studies at a university. Ah what the SCA

did to some kids!


Regina Romsey


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