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Basque culture, language, names, clothing.

 

NOTE: See also the files: France-msg, Spain-msg, fish-msg, languages-msg, Basques-bib.

 

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From: hrjones at uclink.berkeley.edu (Heather Rose Jones)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Proper Basque Name Help....

Date: 7 Nov 1996 18:58:23 GMT

Organization: University of California, Berkeley

 

cafe (reymomo at soho-stl.com) wrote:

: My lady is trying to come up with a Basque persona.  So far, we've got

: plenty of family names, but very few proper names for women.  Can anyone

: suggest sources/names?

 

I have a couple of book titles, but I'll warn you that the best sources

for Basque names (and other cultural information) are probably going to be

written in Spanish. There are several considerations to keep in mind. As

with any minority language, you will find that many Basque people in

period used given names borrowed from the majority culture (Spanish or

French, in this case), although possibly adapted to the sound-system of

the minority language. So she will have the choice between a given name of

Basque _linguistic_ origin, or a non-Basque-language name that was

habitually used in Basque culture.

 

The name books that I know of are as follows:

 

Michelena, Luis. "Apellidos Vascos" (San Sebastian: Editorial Txertoa,

1973. ISBN 84-7148-008-5

 

This is the only book that I actually have a copy of. It is in Spanish and

is organized by surname, however the text includes verbatim examples of

whole names (including given names) with dates attached -- the very best

sort of historic name source. I have not yet had time to go through it and

extract and organize the given names in a useful fashion. (There is also

the problem that it may be difficult to recognize the gender of

Basque-langauge names -- and most will be male, as usual.) The U.C.

Berkeley library has a copy of the book, if you have access to

inter-library loan. (Call No. CS 29940 B 37 M 521 1973)

 

The following book I know of only from bibliographic citation and have no

firm idea how useful it is for historic research.

 

Narbarte Iraola, N. "Diccionario etimologico de apellidos vascos" (San

Sebastian: Txertoa, 1989) -- this would be primarily surnames (apellidos)

 

Another useful place to look would be books on Basque history -- although

the names are certain to be "normalized" in some fashion (as well as being

primarily male).

 

Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn

 

 

From: skward at acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Shannon Krysta Ward)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Proper Basque Name Help....

Date: 8 Nov 1996 20:59:38 GMT

Organization: The University of Calgary

 

cafe (reymomo at soho-stl.com) wrote:

: My lady is trying to come up with a Basque persona.  So far, we've got

: plenty of family names, but very few proper names for women.  Can anyone

: suggest sources/names?

 

: Vicente

 

There is a book by Connie Lockhart Ellefsen called _The Melting Pot Book of Baby

Names_. It has a whole section on Basque names, both male and female.  Of course there is no documentation for any of it, because it's a modern book, but it might serve as a jumping-off point.  it seems to me that many Basque names, especially female names, are references to the Virgin Mary and local shrines thereof in the Basque language.

 

Hope this helps,

Pier Francesco da Montefiore

 

 

From: miaminix at westworld.com (Lorilynn Iversen)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Basque Names

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:55:38 GMT

 

f339j at unb.CA (Daniel Flemming) wrote:

> (The Basque language actually predates Latin...)

 

>Loki

 

I'll say.  According to Dr. L.L. Cavalli-Sforza's new book, genetic

evidence suggests that the Basque language might just be the only

surviving remnant of the language of the Neolithic inhabitants of the

region, popularly known as the Cro-Magnons!  Would that qualify as

OOP? :)

 

-- Alexis,

who must admit to a certain amount of awe at the possibility

 

 

From: shire2308 at aol.com

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Basque Names

Date: 24 Nov 1996 14:11:11 GMT

 

Yes, Basque does predate Latin; in fact, if you ask some of my cousins in

Bilbao, they'll tell you it's the "original language of man".

 

It's origions are still being debated (it's been connected to everything

from Slavic to Pictish(!)....and some feel it is the origional language of

the Iberian people).  It is NOT spanish (or french, for that matter).

Bring up "that" comparison around the wrong crowd in the wrong place and

you could get yourself killed!!

 

I am Basque (mundanely) but I don't speak a work of Euzkadi.  My

grandparents did....and there is a saying amongst the Basques that "when

God is angry at the devil....he makes him learn Basque" (loose translation).

The language is not only difficult....it's difficult to pronounce (ex. the

term "Euzkadi" is prounounced "ooze-KAH-dah"....I love to see heralds

stumbling with that one).

But my own mundane name has been twisted many a time by well-meaning

teachers, receptionists, etc.., so I'm always patient.

(Basulto....."Ba-ba-Ba-suello!" or "ba-sa-luto!")

 

There is a Spanish/Basque dictionary (it's huge...it's like "those Basques

have a different word for everything..").  That will give you a general

idea of pronounciation.  I'll try and find the one I've seen and let you

know where you can get it.  I don't think Berlitz makes one, but you never

know.

 

In the meantime, good luck!,

 

Armand Rafael D'Euzkadi

Kingdom of the East

Royal Forest of Rusted Woodlands

 

 

From: Cynthia Virtue <cvirtue at well.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Basque Names

Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 19:14:51 -0800

 

For those looking for sources on things Basque:

 

I have a book which has been on my "must read soon" shelf for a

regrettably long time, about the Basques.  [My persona is nominally

Basque.] You may find it useful; here is the relevant information:

 

The Basques, by Roger Collins, Basil Blackwell Inc, of Cambridge Mass

(and Oxford), publisher.  First published 1986.  Covers history of the

Basque people from earliest times until the present, including modern

political struggles for independence.  ISBN 0-631-17565-2

 

Also I recall a doctoral thesis which I found in photocopy form in my

college library, called "A Circle of Mountains."  I do not recall the

author's name, but it was specifically about the French Basques, their

language and oral histories.  I remember most strongly that the more or

less current way (modern, not medieval) of visualizing things for the

Basques is as circles or cycles (unlike westerners, who tend to see

things in straight line progressions.)  Also, as might be expected,

their world view is/was shaped by the sheep with which they make their

existance; apparently they have in the past viewed the human gestation

cycle as being similar to making cheese; the woman has red milk, and the

man contributes white rennet, and the baby is "curdled" in the womb.

Fascinating... but I digress.

 

And of course there is the book (not the movie) The Return of Martin

Guerre, which is a popularized scholarly study about an odd case of

mistaken identity in 1540 or thereabouts.  The copy I have is by Natalie

Zemon Davis via the Harvard University Press, and has a lot of

bibliographic information in the back, which may be useful.

 

If these sources have been covered already, I extend my apologies; I

have missed some postings due to the holiday lag-time.

---

Lady Cynthia du Pre Argent, Minister of Silly Hats, Crosston

 

 

Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:46:55 +1000

From: Aden Steinke <aden_steinke at uow.edu.au>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Iberian Basque 1500's? (long)

 

Ester Mendes wrote:

> I ran a search on the international library database, OCLC. While I

> didn't find a huge number of items that dealt with the 16th century

> specifically, I did find some books dealing with wider time frames

> that may help you get started.  Many of the books are out of print,

> but you may be able to get them via Interlibrary Loan at your local

> library.  If you give your librarian the accession number, rather than

> the ISBN, the search will go much faster.

>

> If you look for any library books on the topic use the following

> keywords:

> Pais Vasco

> Pays Basque

 

[Senhora Ester Mendes bibliography on the Basques is in the Florilegium as

Basques-bib - Stefan]

 

The major historical entity in period for the Basques was the Kingdom of

Nafarroa/Navarre, and the main nautical state from which a large part of

the crews of Columbus and Magellan came was Bizkaia/Vizcaya. Despite being

linguistically and ethnically not related to the Spanish or French you can

find a lot just by looking at regional info in Spanish / French books.

 

> On a side note, it seems that a sizeable Basque community settled in

> Nevada and Idaho and the university presses from those states seem to

> have printed a hefty amount of Basque history.

 

The University of Nevada, Reno has a Center for Basque Studies (one of my

mothers cousins is there :) ) as a result of the large numbers of Basque

shepherds migrating to the US in the early 20c.

 

Aden

 

> Senhora Ester Mendes

> (Kirsti Thomas)

> celyn at drizzle.com

 

 

Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:41:21 -0400

From: Robin <rcmann4 at earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

otsisto wrote:

> I do not believe that Basque and Catalan are the same thing.

> Lyse

 

They are not the same thing.  I have not come across any period recipes

-- though that may be a language issue.  Basque is not an Indo-European

language, and is completely unlike, French, Spanish, and Catalan.

 

Alan Davidson, in "The Penguin Companion to Food", mentions seafood and

mushrooms as being two significant items in Basque cuisine.  Mark

Kurlansky, in "Cod: a biography of the fish that changed the world",

says that in the Middle Ages, Basque fishermen were catching, salting,

and selling large quantities of cod and whale.

--

Brighid ni Chiarain

Barony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom

 

 

Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:22:41 -0500

From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

Basque and Catalans are different in both location and language.  Catalan is

a Romance language.  Basque is not related to any major language and is

lumped into a group of unrelated languages including Japanese, Ainu,

Korean, Elamite, Etruscan, Merotic, Sumerian and Hurrian (according to the

quick ref).  Catlan is spoken from Andorra East into Catalonia and

Roussillon (Fr.) and the Balearic Isles.  Basque is spoken at the opposite

end of the Pyrennees, primarily in the provinces that make up Navarre and,

at one time, Gascony and Aquitane.

 

Bear

 

 

Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:36:53 -0700 (PDT)

From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

--- Robin <rcmann4 at earthlink.net> wrote:

 

> otsisto wrote:

>> I do not believe that Basque and Catalan are the same thing.

>> Lyse

>>

> They are not the same thing.  I have not come across any period recipes

> -- though that may be a language issue.  Basque is not an Indo-European

> language, and is completely unlike, French, Spanish, and Catalan.

 

Here is what the Encyclopedia Britannica says:

 

Basque remains an isolated language with no known linguistic  

relatives. The hypothesis of the

German philologist Hugo Schuchardt (1842–1927), which once had wide  

currency, posited an

intimate genetic connection between Basque and Iberian and the Hamito-

Semitic (Afro-Asiatic)

language group. This theory was superseded by attempts to establish a  

more or less close link

between Basque and Caucasian, the language group indigenous to the  

Caucasus region. A lack of

common linguistic characteristics between the Basque and Hamito-

Semitic languages makes

Schuchardt's hypothesis extremely dubious. There are, however, some  

common features that

favour the relationship between Basque and Caucasian. Still, proof of  

a genetic relationship

beyond reasonable doubt appears remote. Perhaps the most promising  

theory involves the

comparison of Basque with the long-extinct Iberian, the language of  

the ancient inscriptions of

eastern Spain and of the Mediterranean coast of France. But, despite  

amazing phonological

coincidences, Basque has so far contributed next to nothing to the  

understanding of the

now-readable Iberian texts. Therefore, it is possible that the  

similarity may have resulted

from close contact between Basques and Iberians and not from a  

genetic linguistic relationship.

 

 

Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:26:30 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

Kurlansky is also the author of

The Basque History of the World : The Story of a Nation

You might also check that out.

 

Johnnae

 

Robin wrote:

 

> They are not the same thing.  I have not come across any period

> recipes -- though that may be a language issue.  Basque is not an

> Indo-European language, and is completely unlike, French, Spanish, and Catalan.

> Alan Davidson, in "The Penguin Companion to Food", mentions seafood

> and mushrooms as being two significant items in Basque cuisine.  Mark

> Kurlansky, in "Cod: a biography of the fish that changed the world",

> says that in the Middle Ages, Basque fishermen were catching, salting,

> and selling large quantities of cod and whale.

 

 

Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:51:37 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

Sorry if I confused things. I was on my way out the door

to go get Patrick from practice. Santich is the only thing in English

that comes to mind that might be close

to containing medieval fare that the Basque people might have eaten.

I did say it contained Catalan fare. Culinaria Spain doesn't contain

a good historical section on the cusine; it does for a number of

regions, but not this one. I checked Adamson

and some of the other stuff laying around and didn't find anything else.

In checking FirstSearch,

there are however at least 170 books catalogued under Cookery, Basque

so there might be something mentioned in one of those. 24 are listed as

being in English. The only book that comes through in an added keyword

search with the word history added is this one--

Traditional Basque cooking :

history and preparation / which is a University of Nevada Press.

UNV Press site says:

Traditional Basque Cooking: History and Preparation

Jose Maria Busca Isusi

Busca Isusi discusses the history of Basque food from prehistoric times

to the modern age—the kinds of food eaten, the cooking utensils

employed, and the methods of preparation used. These favorite Basque

recipes provide much information on this culture's unique cuisine as

well as specific instructions on how to prepare the food. more ...

<http://www.nvbooks.nevada.edu/t/traditional.html#more>

212 pages, line drawings, 1993

Paper, 0-87417-202-0

$21.95

 

Johnnae

 

 

Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:05:53 -0400

From: "Daniel  Phelps" <phelpsd at gate.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

> Be interesting, to see the recipe in translation- perhaps to  discover if

> this is an actual Basque recipe, or if it's a recipe perceived as being

> cooked the way the Basque folks cook things, as we have seen in other

> recipes. Personally, all things considered, I'd expect Basque recipes to be

> heavily reliant on lamb or mutton, perhaps goat, since sheep and goats would

> tend to be a more appropriate foodstuff for their lifestyles, than chickens

> would.

 

Hmmm... while they are now associated with sheepherding it is my

understanding that the Basques in period were also intrepid fishermen and

whalers. I seem to recall reading in national Geographic about a

per-Columbus(?) Basque whaling station being discovered on the Canadian

coast. That and that they fished the Grand Banks for cod first before being

chased off by other people with navies.

 

Perhaps some information regards food can be gleaned from a study of Henry

of Navarre who was the last king of that "basque" kingdom.  He united it

with France or even his grandmother Margarette and her Heptameron as there

might be pertinent asides in it as well.  I have read that modern Spanish

has a substantial number of 'basque" borrow words perhaps there are some

basques cooking roots that can be explored?

 

Daniel

 

 

Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:41:55 -0500

From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

The Basque that lived further inland were sheep and goat herders.  They were

fairly good with horses. Pamplona (org. Iruna) was/is(?) Basque territory.

The racing of the bull is allegedly from a days of when Mithraism was introduced to the area.

It was believed by the Basque that the first people were Centaurs and  

That the Basque were descendents of the Centaur or Zalzaval.

 

Lyse

 

 

Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:49:17 -0500

From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

The whaling station is 16th Century.  There is evidence that the Basque

whalers may have reached Iceland by 1412 and possibly were in Labardor

before Columbus arrived in the New World.  There is speculation that

Europeans have been fishing the Grand Banks since the late Neolithic, but

the evidence is a little stronger for the Bretons and some other European

fishermen fishing the Banks beginning about the 12th Century.  To my

knowledge, none has been proven.

 

The speculation is the Basque began moving out into the Atlantic between the

12th and 15th Centuries due to intensified whaling and over harvesting in

the Bay of Biscay.

 

Bear

 

> Hmmm... while they are now associated with sheepherding it is my

> understanding that the Basques in period were also intrepid fishermen and

> whalers.  I seem to recall reading in national Geographic about a

> per-Columbus(?) Basque whaling station being discovered on the Canadian

> coast.  That and that they fished the Grand Banks for cod first before

> being chased off by other people with navies.

>

> Daniel

 

 

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:32:30 -0500

From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

I have the book The Basque History of the World.

There is a comment about Basque being Apple Country and mentions apple

juice. Though it only gives 1600s as a date of the comment.

There is a saute' pigeon recipe that is dated 1920. Pigeons cooked in wine

were alleged to have been prepared by monks for pilgrims. And hunting wild

pigeon in near the pass of Ibaneta was regulated in 1590 Fuero of Navarra.

I understand that morningdoves are not on the no shot list. (just kinding)

Traditional Basque Cooking: History and Preparation, is one of the recipe

sources in the Basque history of the world book.

 

ABEBooks has it.

 

Lyse

 

 

Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 01:52:32 -0500

From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food/piment d'espelette

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

I have "The Basque Kitchen" by Gerald Hirigoyen. It mentions a spice called

piment d'espelette. He says that you can substitute sweet paprika or mild

chili powder but it won't be quite the same. Piment D'Espelette is a  French

Basque spice common, of coarse, in Espelette.

 

http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/espelette1.html

 

Excerpt:

Early History

 

When Columbus brought chile peppers to Europe from the Caribbean after his

second voyage in 1493, they were first grown in monastery gardens in Spain

and Portugal as curiosities. But soon the word got out that the pungent pods

were a reasonable and cheap substitute for black pepper, which was so

expensive that it had been used as currency in some countries. So the best

thing about chilies–in addition to their heat and flavor–was that they did

not have to be imported from India; anyone could grow them as annuals in

temperate climates.

 

Carried by Spanish and Portuguese explorers, numerous varieties of chilies

quickly spread throughout the Mediterranean region and Africa, and the rest

of the Eastern Hemisphere, where they permanently spiced up world cuisines

such as those of India, Southeast Asia, and China. However, there were some

famous national cuisines that were not conquered by chilies; Italians, for

example, utilized chilies only sparingly. The peperoncinis, for example, are

used in antipasto, crushed red chilies are a topping for Neapolitan pizzas,

and hot red chili powder as an ingredient in some pasta sauces. But no one

region in Italy celebrates chilies. In France, however, chilies were

established as a tradition in just one region the Nive Valley in the

southwest, and especially in the village of Espelette to the south.  It is

believed that chilies were introduced into the Nive Valley by Gonzalo

Percaztegi in 1523, the same year that corn first made its appearance there.

At first it was thought to be related to black pepper and was even called

"long black American pepper," and it wasnÕt until the 17th century that it

was placed in its own genus.

 

Lyse

 

 

Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:08:02 -0500

From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Basque Food/piment d'espelette

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

I would take this article with a grain of salt.

 

Chili peppers were found on Columbus's first voyage and are first described

in the journal entry for Tuesday 15 January.  The author may be confusing

this with the tale that Queen Isabella was treated with medicine made from

peppers brought back on the second voyage or is referencing inaccurate

secondary sources.

 

IIRC, Grewe speculates on the spread of peppers in Spain, but I have

encountered no primary evidence of where and why they were grown.

Personally, I speculate peppers were grown for the kitchen and the pharmacy

rather than as curiosities, for Columbus states, "There is also much chili,

which is their pepper, of a kind more valuable than [black] pepper, and none

of the people eat without it, for they find it very healthful."

 

Leonard Fuchs, in his 1545 Herbal, identifies these peppers as "Capiscon

rubeum & nigrum: Roter and brauner Calecutischer Pfeffer, Capsicum oblongis:

Langer Indianischer Pfeffer, and Capsicon latum: Breyter Indianishcer

Pfeffer." Setting aside Fuchs's error of identifying the peppers with the

Indian subcontinent, it is fairly obvious that capsicum peppers were placed

in their own genus during their first (known) scientific description rather

than in the 17th Century as the author describes.

 

In my opinion, the most accurate statements in the article are probably

those about Gonzalo Percaztegi, but I would like to know the author's

sources so that I could verify the information.

 

Bear

 

 

Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:17:23 -0500

From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] RE:  Basque Food

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

Traditional Basque cooking by Jose' Maria Busca Isusi.

P.32 In the Basque Country, and principally on our farms, we find ourselves

midway between the two methods(which is on page 31), which is not a virtue

in this instance. These lines are offered as a piece of advice to the reader

unfamiliar with the rice paellas served in our country homes which consist

of gummy mixtures of grains of rice and more or less flavorful pieces of

meat and fowl.

 

Earlier in the book he gives the impression that the paella is a Spanish

dish (from Valencia) that is transformed to Basque taste. It is a casserole

of sorts.

 

This book has a tiny bit of history of Spanish Basque foods with itty bitty

amounts of references and conclusion to the references.

 

-----Original Message-----

(snip)

  Anyway off to the point of the intent of my message today, Basque food.

Anyone know for sure whether Paella is Basque or Spanish? I know its

development has fallen to the Spanish cousine.

 

I have made several and they are really great crowd feeders. But I am trying

to find actual documentable period recipes for them. I also realize they

may have flown under the umbrella as they were primarily a peasant  

food for farm hands.

 

Cealian Of Moray

 

 

Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:35:54 -0500

From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] RE:  Basque Food

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

There is also "The Basque Kitchen" by Gerald Hirigoyen. But it is modern

recipes, many his renditions. Though both books have what I consider an ewww

factor recipes. Chiptrones en su tinta (Squid in it's own ink) and Txipiroia

Beren Saltsan (stuffed squid in ink sauce). The latter has a picture, the

sauce looks like a cross between plum sauce and an oil slick. I can't  

begin to describe the stuffed squid. :P

 

(TWGoS)The TBC book reminded me that I had come across information that

Millet was the main grain as wheat was hard to grow in the area.

Also, before a certain type of oak died out in the area, acorns were another

flour source. (side note: you can get a starch from acorns)

Chestnuts was interchangeable or mixed with millet.

 

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