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A Moslem brotherhood of murderers created by Rashid ad-Din Sinan.

 

NOTE: See also the files: punishments-msg, Islam-msg, poison-art, poison-msg, Janissaries-msg, Middle-East-msg, smoking-msg.

 

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    Mark S. Harris                 AKA:  THL Stefan li Rous

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:18:02 -0700

From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at efn.org>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Catholic/Christian, was: The Fallwell/Robertson  

statements

 

Michael Newton wrote:

> HMMMMM that is strange because, ASSASSIN is a Muslim concept unknown to the

> West until the Crusades, at least as I was taught and read.

 

> > << You shall not suffer a sorceress to live." >>

> >

> > do you know, I have read this and researched it in various places and the

> > original text said "Thou shalt not suffer an ASSASSIN to live?"

 

The word 'assassin' comes from the same root as hashish- and the Story

is-

 

During the Crusades, there was this guy who was remarkably like a

certain Saudi Multi-Millionaire who is currently suspected of pretty

nasty things. This guy (whose name is escaping me at the moment) was

known as The Old Man of the Mountain. He has a mountaintop lair, and

only his followers were allowed up there. There was a variety of people

who the Old Man didn't like, and periodically someone would show up

somewhere, wild-eyed, murder someone, and take off. Frederick II, Holy

Roman Emperor, survived at least one of these attacks.At least once the

murderer was caught and forced to give an explanation before he in turn

was executed. They said that they were brought to the Old Man, made to

swear fealty, then they were told that they were going to commit X

murder. To Inspire them, there were told that they would be given a

glimpse of the paradise awaiting them. Then they were drugged. (I forget

if this is where the hash comes in or later) Then when they woke, they

found themselves in a place with many beautiful and willing women,

luscious food of all kinds (including all sorts of opiates) and more

luxury thatn they could have imagined. Basically they got to have sex,

drugs, and rock and roll until they wore themselves out. When they awoke

again, they were back with the Old Man (what a shock!), who told them

that now it was time to do the deed and then they would again be in

paradise... most of them were killed by bodyguards and such, of

course...

 

They came to be known as 'Hashashin'- hashish smokers (they may well

have been high when they did the murders too). And over the course of

time (there was an Old Man on the Mountain for a long time), the word

became assassin.

 

So folks, this is the extent of the usefulness of a degree in Medieval

Studies- answering arcane questions when I ought to be sleeping. Ain't

it wonderful.

 

'Lainie

 

 

From: "Daniel Phelps" <phelpsd at gate.net>

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Catholic/Christian, was: The Fallwell/Robertson   statements

Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:29:58 -0400

 

>This guy (whose name is escaping me at the moment) was

>known as The Old Man of the Mountain.

 

Founder of the Brotherhood of Isma'ilites  or "self-sacrificers", also

called Batinites literal translation "followers of esoteric doctrines".

Their leader was Rashid ad-Din Sinan.  The assassination of Conrad of

Montferrat by Sinan's minions is recounted in the writings of Imad ad-Din,

Imad ad-Din, Ibn al-Athir, and Manaqib Rashid ad-Din.   It is interesting

to note that all but the last author, he was of the sect, appear to consider

the sect to be heretics or at the very least very much less that orthodox.

 

Legend has it that there were three young students who made a pact should

one come to riches and power he would raise up the other two.  One did so in

the service of the Sultan. The other two came to him and made their

requests which were indeed honored.  One wanted a political position.  In

time he engaged in plots, both against his friend and the Sultan, was found

out and fled saving only his life.  He became "The Old Man of the Mountain".

The third student asked only for a position as poet and

astronomer/astrologer.  He recieved it and a stipend.  He was Omar,  whose

poetry we still recite.

 

Like many legends history suggests otherwise.

 

Be that as it may IIRC Aga Khan is said to be the linear descendant of the

leadership of the Isma'ilites if not Sinan directly.

 

Daniel Raoul

 

 

From: hhrc at sbcglobal.net (Steven Currie)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Medieval Muslim Assasins Article

Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:23:25 GMT

 

There was an excellent article in my local newspaper (San Diego Union)

on the Muslim assassins, of which the first 2/3 of the article was

about period history of the Muslim assassin cults.

 

Unfortuneately, because of the way their web site works, I cannot give

you a direct link to the article.

 

To access it:

 

Go To this Link:

http://www.uniontribune.com/news/uniontrib/thu/index.html

 

Click on Opinion on the left hand side.

 

Go to the bottom of that page and click on Letters and more opinions

inside . . .

 

Then go to about the middle of that web page:

"The Assassins Revisited"

 

 

From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: Chocolate+Muslim

Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:38:14 -0600

 

>Were the Ishmailis similar to the Hashshashin?  Who

>gave us that wonderful word "assassin"?

>Huette

 

The Ishmailis or Ismailis are an esoteric branch of the Shiites.  The name

derives from Isma'il, the name of the the son of the sixth imam, Jafar (8th

Century).  The Ishmailis are primarily Persian and it is believed the

"Assassins" were a cult of the Ishmaili.  There is also a strong link

between the Ishmailis and Sufism.

 

Bear

 

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