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Arab culture and dress.


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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: elmunadi at netcom.com (Kevin Munday)

Subject: Re: Arabic Clothing.

Organization: Caid College of Heralds - Enforcement Division

Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 02:30:33 GMT


The learned bowman (Cariadoc) states that, in regards to coronets and other headgear of state, he knows of no examples of their use in the arab world... (rough paraphrase there...)


Based on the examples at the "Treasures of the Ottoman Sultans" exhibition, fancy pins and spectacular ornamentation attached to the front of one's turban may have served in a similar capacity. Likewise gold-washed and jewel encrusted helmets. The examples in the exhibition weren't labeled as "items of state" or as marks of rank as such, but (at least in  the case of the helmet and one particular turban ornament that might better have served as a chandelier) they were worn on state occasions...  Most excel

lent trader of gems and stories, whose powers of observation are as legendary as his ability to maintain a Caidan pilot's license sans wings, what might your take on the subject be?




El Malim al-haadi abd-al-Malik Husam ibn Khalid - El Munadi Herald, Caid

mka Kevin Munday - onomastic hacker and right-brained swordsman

internet: elmunadi at netcom.com



From: priest at vaxsar.vassar.edu

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Arabic Clothing.

Date: 3 Jul 95 22:09:11 EST

Organization: Vassar College


Greeting from Thora Sharptooth!


Here are a couple sources for some information on Arabic costume in a couple of

specific times and places.


*      Clive Rogers, ed.  _Early Islamic Textiles._  Brighton, England:

        Rogers & Podmore, 1983.


        Photos of two tunics, several decorative strips (including

        some tiraz), and pieces of extant fabric, most Fatimid

        from the period around the 11th century.  A brief section on

        cotton in the Islamic world.  


*      "Medieval Garments in the Mediterranean World," pp. 279-315 in _Cloth 

        and Clothing in Medieval Europe:  Essays in Memory of Professor E.M.

        Carus-Wilson_, ed N.B. Harte and K.G. Ponting.  Pasold Studies in

        Textile History, 2.  London:  Heinemann Educational Books/The

        Pasold Research Fund Ltd., 1983. Veronika Gervers.


        Cutting drafts for some Egyptian tunics, one Mamluk (14th C)

        and some "Islamic" (7-10th C), including some for children.

        Very good supporting information and footnotes.


For more general information, try this source.  It isn't helpful for the actual

details of construction, and it's not easy to wade through the transliterated

terms sometimes, but you can get some idea of the appearance and social

significance of garments in various times and places from it.


*      R. B. Serjeant.  _Islamic Textiles:  Material for a History up

        to the Mongol Conquest._  Beirut:  Librairie du Liban, 1972.



Carolyn Priest-Dorman                     Thora Sharptooth

Poughkeepsie, NY                   Frosted Hills ("where's that?")

priest at vassar.edu                      East Kingdom

           Gules, three square weaver's tablets in bend Or




From: cromabu at aol.com (CromAbu)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Arabs, past and...past

Date: 5 Oct 1995 23:16:22 -0400

Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)


Try 'Women's Costume of the Near and Middle East" by Jennifer Scarce  


                                             Sir fitz



From: DEW at ECL.PSU.EDU (Durr ishJabal Bey alFarengi)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Arabs, past and...past

Date: 6 Oct 1995 10:33:05 GMT

Organization: Orluk Oasis


In <452726$7pc at newsbf02.news.aol.com> cromabu at aol.com writes:


#> Try 'Women's Costume of the Near and Middle East" by Jennifer Scarce  

#> 1987

#>                                               Sir fitz


This is a good source for late and OOP TURKISH garb.


See also _Costume_, issue #3, 1969, "The Traditional Cosutmes of the Arab

Women of Palestine"


ibn Muusa


Dale E. Walter  dew at ecl.psu.edu  http://www.ecl.psu.edu/~dew/ Member # 02933

(Smokey) Baron Dur of Hidden Mountain

Durr ishJabal min alMaqfi Jabal abu Neefa, Sultan al-Tabl

Orluk Oasis on the War Road (of Aethelmarc)



Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: bq676 at torfree.net (Kristine E. Maitland)

Subject: Re: Arabs, past and...past

Organization: Toronto Free-Net

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:12:28 GMT


As it happens, my former persona was that of a singer/spy in early ninth

century Bagdad (in the court of al-Ma'mun)...  I choose that peroid

because of the great library that was built there at the time.  Anyway,

here are some sources for you.


Lamm, Carl Johan. _Cotton in medieval Textiles of the East_.(1937)


Rice, David Talbot. _Islamic Art_


Scarce, Jennifer. _Women's Costume of the Near and Middle East_. London:

        Unwin Hyman Unlimited, 1987.


Weibel, Adele Coulin. _Two thousand years of Textiles: the figured textiles

        of Europe and the near East_


You should also MUST get a look at _The History of Beads: from 30, 000

B.C. to the present_ by lois Sherr Dubin.  Assessories are important!!!


best of luck

Ines Carmen Maria de Freitas



From: ladams9495 at aol.com (LAdams9495)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Muslim Names

Date: 3 Nov 1995 17:31:27 -0500

Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)


Dear Miriam:


Many Arabs still do not have "last names", they may have a clan name

Al-something, but, traditionally, their "last name" is bin or ibn (son of)

and the father's first name or bint(daughter of) and the father's last





Myfanwy of the Sharp Tongue and Swift Needle, or was that the other way


Barony of the Bridge, EK

formerly of the Canton of Silver Swords, MK



From: ddfr at best.com (David Friedman)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Muslim Names

Date: 4 Nov 1995 06:36:37 GMT

Organization: Best Internet Communications


ladams9495 at aol.com (LAdams9495) wrote:


> Dear Miriam:


> Many Arabs still do not have "last names", they may have a clan name

> Al-something, but, traditionally, their "last name" is bin or ibn (son of)

> and the father's first name or bint(daughter of) and the father's last

> name...


1. Why do you suggest that "bint" is followed by the father's last name?

As you have just said, there generally is no such thing.


2. Typically, a medieval Muslim male has a name (Mohammed, say) and

various attached terms, such as "ibn X" (son of X), "al baghdadi" (the guy

from baghdad), "abu Y" (father of Y; I think Y would typically be the

eldest son. I am Cariadoc abu Patri). So far as I know, there is no limit

to how many of these there could be.


3. A woman might be referred to as "X umm Y," where X was her own name and

Y was her (eldest?) son.


4. "al" means "the." While I suppose it could be used with a clan name, I

don't think that was true in general.


Hope this helps.


The original poster asked also for clothing information. Two books I have

heard recommended but have not myself seen are:


'Women's Costume of the Near and Middle East" by Jennifer Scarce


A book by Walthers Wiebke, which also has other stuff about Islamic

women's life.


Sometimes I have tried to use books with period Islamic art in them, plus

books such as Max Tilke's that show reasonably modern middle eastern garb

in a lot of detail, and tried to use the second to make sense of the





ddfr at best.com



From: jdejesus at eden.rutgers.edu (Ramirez)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Muslim Names

Date: 6 Nov 1995 11:14:43 -0500

Organization: Rutgers University


Miriam Gould <ST951553 at pip.cc.brandeis.edu> writes:

>I am attempting to create an 11th Century Andalusian persona and I have

>found many books on Al-Andalus, but none of them have dealt with names

>or the common dress.  Many of the male names seem to end in "ibn" and

>then another name.  However, all the female names listed do not have

>last names.  I am looking for help on what a typical female last name

>would have been or the reassurance that a typical female would not have

>a last name.  Any help on the subject (or anything related to Andalus)

>would be GREATLY appreciated.





        As for names and their meanings, especially titles such as ibn, Al, etc

I would recommend The cambridge history, The Classical Age of Islam, Vol 1. I

would Also suggest just for a few name choices flipping through "The Conference of the birds. Penguin books does have a vey good tranlation of this book

alhough it isa little late for you. The book is a story/islamic prose about

sufi mystasim written in the mid thriteenth century. If these are still no help

let me know and ill go through my library of Islamic stuff here and see about

anything else. These were just the two books that first popped into my head. I

hope this helps.


                                      -Julio DeJesus

                              History/Medival Studies student

                                      Rutgers Univ.


From: Stephen Bloch <sbloch at adl15.adelphi.edu>

Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:04:48 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: SC - Aramco World


Michael Farrell wrote:

> I am not familiar with the publication you mentioned, Aramco World.  Where

> could I find it?


It's a high-quality, carefully written and illustrated magazine about

Arab and Moslem culture, often including articles about medieval

Islamic culture and technology, published every two months.  It carries

no ads, yet costs nothing to subscribe -- the publisher, the Saudi

national oil company Aramco, can easily afford to put out a magazine to

bolster its public image, or as the masthead says, "to increase

cross-cultural understanding.  The magazine's goal is to broaden

knowledge of the culture of the Arab and Muslim worlds and the history,

geography and economy of Saudi Arabia."


To subscribe, send a note to


        Aramco World

        P.O. Box 469008

        Escondido, CA




Date: Sun, 08 Feb 98 11:57:48 PST

From: "Alderton, Philippa" <phlip at morganco.net>

Subject: SC - A book- OT


I just picked up a book called "A History of the Arab Peoples", by Albert

Hourani, who is Emeritus Fellow at St. Anthony's College at Oxford. It goes

into the early history, starting about 700 about the appearance of

Muhammad, and continues up to the present day. I did notice that it has no

subject headings on Christian Arabs, but otherwise it seems to be pretty

good. Are you familiar with it? Can you tell me anything to beware of, in

so far as inaccuracies?





Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:46:13 -0500

From: Marilyn Traber <margali at 99main.com>

Subject: SC - new mideast research info


`Dara Shikoh Shooting Nilgais: Hunt and Landscape in Mughal

Painting', Freer Gallery of Art and Arthur M. Sackler

Gallery Occasional Papers, 1 (1998),  and learned that it

can be ordered  from the Bookshop of the Sackler  Gallery,

Smithsonian Institution, Washington D. C.

Tel. 1-202-357 48 80 #357

Fax. 1-202 633 98 38

e-mail: shops at asia.si.edu

The price of one copy is $15.95



Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:42:25 -0400

From: "Karen Dutton" <kdutton at carolina.rr.com>

To: <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>

Subject: RE: Islamic traveling pen cases/inkwells


I'm afraid I can't help with the pen case part (I have one, but I found it

at an antique store in Raleigh, NC several years ago)... but as a good

introductory text on Islam and calligraphy, let me suggest _Calligraphy and

Islamic Culture_ by Annemarie Schimmel (New York Univ. Press, 1984, ISBN

0-8147-7830-5). It's out of print, but your library should have it or be

able to get it through ILL.


If you actually want to learn to write Arabic, I can recommend three titles

right off the top of my head (if you want more info, the links below each

title will take you to Amazon):


_The Arabic Alphabet: How to Read and Write It_, by Nicholas Awde and Putros




_Writing Arabic_, by T. F. Mitchell



_Count Your Way Through the Arab World_, by Jim Haskins (a children's book)






To:    Gleann Abhann (mail list)

Subject: Re: Arabic History

Posted by: "Chip Carroll" chopsooie2005 at yahoo.com chopsooie2005

Date: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:21 am ((PST))


<<< I was wondering if anyone could post some links where I could find some information on Arabic History. I read someplace about Macrame and it said it originated in 13th century Arabic. In advance many Thanks.


Krickett >>>


University of Chicago has an online database for middle eastern studies.




Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 20:49:48 -0400

From: JIMCHEVAL at aol.com

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Arabian Society in the Middle Age


A nineteenth century study with lots about food. Don't know how accurate it is, but interesting enough as far as it goes.


Arabian Society in the Middle Ages: Studies from the Thousand and One  

Nights By  Edward William Lan




Jim  Chevallier



Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 15:54:32 -0400 (EDT)

From: Galefridus Peregrinus <galefridus at optimum.net>

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Arabian Society in the Middle Age


<<< Arabian Society in the Middle Ages: Studies from the Thousand and One Nights By Edward William Lan >>>


EW Lane, the author of this study, was a pretty high end orientalist

back in the 19th century. He is the author of Lane's Lexicon, which is

still about the best Arabic-English dictionary of classical Arabic. This

book is a compilation of Lane's notes on his translation of the Thousand

and One Arabian Nights. Since those stories provide a window into many

aspects of medieval Islamic culture, I'd say that this book has a lot of

potential. I have downloaded it and will examine it more closely.



-- Galefridus


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