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Use of pewter in period. References. Pewter sources.

 

NOTE: See also the files: casting-msg, metals-msg, soapstone-msg, spoons-msg, p-tableware-msg, utensils-msg, pottery-msg, metal-sources-msg, Non-Ferrous-bib, Cast-Wood-Mlds-art.

 

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From: drusilus <76065.727 at CompuServe.COM>

To: markh at risc.sps.mot.com

Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)

Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:39:54 -0400

Subject: Casting with soapstone molds

 

Dear Stefan,

         Try Rio Grande Jewelry supply.  They are in NM I Believe and the

last price I saw for lead free casting pewter was around $5.50/lb.

 

Drusilus

 

 

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: milieux at digital.net (Lauren Podolak)

To: Mark S. Harris

Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:17:36 -0500

Subject: Re: Casting with soapstone molds

 

markh at risc.sps.mot.com (Mark S. Harris) wrote:

> Does anyone have a good mail-order or other source for lead-free

> casting material? I've been using lead-free solder normally used

> on water pipes. But the best price I found in town was $8.90 for

> a 1 pound spool and that store is going out of business. The

> sources I'm finding now want $11 - $14 for a one pound spool. I'm

> willing to buy it in larger amounts or in a different form.

>

> Stefan li Rous

 

Try: Castings, Orcas Island, P.O.Box 298, Eastsound, WA 98245-0298

(360)376-3266

 

They have Pewter casting metal (91% tin, 8% antimony, 0.25%copper) 24 Pigs

(10oz) for $6.25 each.

 

But heck, if you can find more of that solder, you can't beat the price

for a pound.

 

 

From: Dennis Loyer <dloyer at earthlink.net>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Casting with soapstone molds

Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:10:39 -0700

Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc.

 

> Does anyone have a good mail-order or other source for lead-free

> casting material? I've been using lead-free solder normally used

> on water pipes. But the best price I found in town was $8.90 for

> a 1 pound spool and that store is going out of business. The

> sources I'm finding now want $11 - $14 for a one pound spool. I'm

> willing to buy it in larger amounts or in a different form.

Try requesting a catalog from TSI (800) 426-9984, They carry lead-free

pewter in wire, sheet, and nuggets (for casting). They also carry just

about every jewlery and casting tool, book, or supplies you may ever

need. They also carry gold, silver, and copper in the same forms as their

pewter, as well as precious stones and beads. Need a centrigigal casting

machine for lost wax casting? They got it, and their prices are fairly

reasonable.  When ever I need something, they're the first place I call.

 

Dennis Loyer

<dloyer at earthlink.net>

Denis d'Loyer

West, Mists, Esfen

 

 

From: saxon34 at aol.com (Saxon34)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Casting with soapstone molds

Date: 21 Jun 1996 20:03:52 -0400

 

          I will look up and try to post our source for metals. As the

Inter-Kingdom Moneyers Guild Rep.I should have the source much closer at

hand,sorry. For years we have been making coins from leadfree

solder(95/5). Yet over the past few years we have gone to buying and mixing

our own.We often buy large ingots of Tin and mix in the percentage of

Antimony as needed. A ready source of Antimony is tire weights. People often

think of these as made from lead, this is not the case/at least according

to our sources! Either way we also have a guild secret that allows us to

harden our leadfree(pewter) coins. This would not be possible if the tire

weights were made from lead. Send me your email address for a clear line of

communication as that I am still a babe in the woods as far as this

computer stuff is concerned. Good Luck, and talk to you soon.

 

                        Master Emmerich of Vakkerfjell, OL

 

 

Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:52:58 -0500

From: Helen <him at gte.net>

Subject: Re: SC - pewter question

 

>From the oneida site

http://www.oneida.com/h_table.htm

 

Pewter

 

          While pewter occupies a special association with early

American history, it is interesting to note that this soft, gray metal

was used by the Chinese for more than 2000 years ago. It was made into

coins and seals of office by the ancient Romans and was widely used by

the European middle classes as a substitute for sterling silver.

 

 

Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:38:19 -0500

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: Kyneburh at ties.org, sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Pewter source

 

Micromark sells rtv rubbers and an assortment of casting alloys with

both low melting and high melting temperatures.

www.micromark.com/

http://www.micromark.com/casting.html

 

Magnus

 

 

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:30:29 -0400

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Pewter Casting Alloy and Sheet Source - other metals too.

 

http://www.atlasmetal.com/

 

Happened on this today.

 

Magnus

 

 

Subject: Re: Pewter casting supplies

Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:24:38 PDT

From: "David Ritterskamp" <jonnyb70 at hotmail.com>

To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org

 

>Does anyone have an idea of where I might find pewter suitable for casting.

>We only need a small amount, but we need it relatively quickly!

>Brigh Aine ni Eireannach

 

Yes.

 

http://www.hallmarkmetalscorp.com

 

Pewter is $3.50/lb and they mail it cheap and quick via 2-3 day priority US

Mail if you ask nicely.  Tell them you heard it from me.  They sell it in

7-lb chunks but they'll sell you smaller if you ask nicely.

 

Jonathan Blackbow

 

 

Subject: Cheap Pewter / Instructional pages / Casting Pages / Examples

Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:54:47 MST

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

 

After Jonathan Blackbow (of Atlantia) suggested getting Pewter from

the Hallmark Metal Co (hallmark.metal at juno.com) 1-888-467-8000

last week I emailed them from their webpage.

http://www.hallmarkmetalscorp.com/

This morning I got an email suggesting I call them.

 

They don't have a catalog, books on casting, or rtv rubbers that I

had asked about. However they do have the lowest prices on Pewter

I've yet run across. (Being a commodity the metal prices are

subject to change however.)

 

I spoke with Stephan M. Kaplan and he told me they have two lead

free pewters particularly suitable for our purposes with the first

designed specifically for children at the request of Crayola.

The initials are named for his child.

 

MPK is a Tin/Copper/Bismuth/Silver alloy melts 5-600 degrees f $4.25 lb.

928 is a Tin/Antimony/Copper alloy / melts 550-650 degrees f $3.75 lb.

 

The bars are available in 7 lbs, and are notched for three pieces

or can be cut at the factory.

 

When I asked about R.T.V. Rubbers he referred me to the

Frank Pertot Co. in NYC. 1-800-627-5369.

 

Check out:

http://www.mindspring.com/~kymber/

There are notes and instructions on casting there as well as other

suppliers, and references.

 

http://home.olemiss.edu/~sputnik/stdunstans/STDhome.html

 

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/rialto/idxcrafts.html

 

http://pip1.pipcom.com/wareham_forge/casting.html

 

http://www.loganact.com/mwn/mwj.html

 

http://www.regia.org/bodgbend.htm

 

http://www.regia.org/ has some pages on metalwork as well.

 

http://user.tninet.se/~mfx106d/index.htm

 

http://www.signetring.com/

 

http://renstore.com/articles/Belling_Barony.shtml

 

http://www.angelfire.com/me/ik/Gal.html

 

http://www.mtsu.edu/~kgregg/dmir/new/sandcast.html

 

I hope this is of use to some of you casters or would be casters

out there.

 

Magnus Malleus, OL, Windmasters' Hill, Atlantia, Great Dark Horde.

 

 

From: noramunro at aol.comclutter (Alianora Munro)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Pewter damage

Date: 18 Sep 1999 14:22:29 GMT

 

Lord Zierd wrote:

>My pewter tankard has developed a dent in the base, meaning it won't sit flat.

>Not earth shattering, but kind of annoying.

>My query is how to remove this and get the tankard to sit flat again.

 

Not a metalworker (and don't play one on TV or elsewhere) but I am a bit fond

of pewter, and learned the following from an American antiques dealer who

specialises in the stuff and has dealt with a few dents.

 

Pewter is, as you noticed, soft.  It thus is very prone to denting, but it's

also quite easy to bend dents back into shape.  Fill your basin (or anything

else large enough to contain the tankard) with hot water, and place the tankard

therein.  Let it soak a bit so the metal warms up, then *gently* ease the dent

back into shape.  With old pewter (the kind still with lead in the alloy) you

can even sometimes do this with your fingers, although with the modern stuff

the judicious use of a hammer might be called for.  Pounding 4 kinds of h*ll

out of it is not recommended.  ;-)

 

Alianora Munro

Having had sufficient experience with princes, now seeking a frog

http://hometown.aol.com/noramunro/Chateau/index.htm

clear up the clutter to reply

 

 

From: David M. Razler <david.razler at worldnet.att.net>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Pewter damage

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:49:48 -0400

 

noramunro at aol.comclutter (Alianora Munro) wrote:

| Lord Zierd wrote:

| >My pewter tankard has developed a dent in the base, meaning it wont sit flat.

| >

| >Not earth shattering, but king of annoying.

| >My query is how to remove this and get the tankard to sit flat again.

|

| Not a metalworker (and don't play one on TV or elsewhere) but I am a bit fond

| of pewter, and learned the following from an American antiques dealer who

| specialises in the stuff and has dealt with a few dents.

|

| Pewter is, as you noticed, soft.  It thus is very prone to denting, but it's

| also quite easy to bend dents back into shape.  Fill your basin (or anything

| else large enough to contain the tankard) with hot water, and place the tankard

| therein.  Let it soak a bit so the metal warms up, then *gently* ease the dent

| back into shape.  With old pewter (the kind still with lead in the alloy) you

| can even sometimes do this with your fingers, although with the modern stuff

| the judicious use of a hammer might be called for.  Pounding 4 kinds of h*ll

| out of it is not recommended.  ;-)

 

I wouldn't even bother heating - and recommend a rawhide or rubber mallet.

Britannia metal (no-lead pewter) is soft enough to move and has a metling

point low enough to melt it on a kitchen electric range top. Real pewter

shouldn't be used for drinking anyway.

 

        david - who restored the roundness of both pewter tankards and the bases

of a couple of century-old silver cups with his BARE HANDS (oooh....) and is a

man of little strength.

David M. Razler

david.razler at worldnet.att.net

 

 

From: Alasdayr Kilgour <alasdayr at peak.org>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Pewter damage

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:50:48 -0700

Organization: Multi-Media Artisans

 

Bredin Zierd wrote:

> A Query to all those metalworkers out there...

>

> My pewter tankard has developed a dent in the base, meaning it wont sit flat.

> Not earth shattering, but king of annoying.

> My query is how to remove this and get the tankard to sit flat again.

> I have a fair range of tools, but dont usually have to deal with a soft alloy

> like this, and was wondering if there was any special care I should take before

> getting out my hammer and beating 4 kinds of hell out of it for daring to become

> deformed in my presence...

> --

> Nunc lusum imus novum ludum

>   Lord Zierd, Cynic of the Inner Circle

 

If the dent is more of a bulge than a sharp crease your problems should

be minimal . Since pewter is so soft, I would recommend a very light

hammer. You do not want to really "drive" it as the pewter will spread,

possibly becoming more of a problem than originally.

 

Back the dent (like using a bodywork dolly) with a bit of flat wood

covered with leather or felt. A small wooden mallet, again faced with

leather or felt, should enable you to remove the offending ding with but

a few blows.

--

Rick Schmidt

Oak and Iron Forge

aka

Duncan Alexander Malcolm MacDuibh {MacDobhran} Kilgour

Blacksmith

 

 

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:28:42 MST

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

Subject: Medieval Spoon Book with Mold from Coventry

To: StellarArts at Onelist.com

 

You might be interested in this. It has a partial stone spoon mold

in it. I bought one a while back.:

 

Muldoon S. & R. Brownsword: PEWTER SPOONS AND OTHER RELATED MATERIAL

OF THE 14TH-17TH CENTURIES; in the collection of the Herbert Art

Gallery, Coventry nd c 1985 28pp 12x8ins pb.

 

Magnus

 

 

Subject: [Metalcasting] Sources for casting supplies.

Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:14:41 -0500

From: "Jim Revells" <sudnserv5 at netway.com>

To: <Metalcasting at onelist.com>

 

Here are some sources for casting supplies:

 

DRS, (800) 223-8960  NY, NY:  silver & gold Casting Grain, pg3, Cuttle Bone

pg 297, Crucible/Melting Dish pg 296, Heat protective gloves pg 294,

Carving Wax pg 278.

 

Cas-KerCo, (800) 487-0408 Cincinnati, OH  on the web at casker at casker.com:

non-precious Casting Metals pg 146,  Carving Wax pg 162, Small Sand Casting

Set.

 

Other companies that I don't have the current catalogs for but sell Casting

supplies (they all have 800 #'s):

Swest, Atlanta, GA

FireMountian Gems, somewhere in WA

Rio Grand, El Passo,TX

Stuller, somewhere in LA

 

Suggested Reading:

 

Practical Casting, Tim McCreight

The Complete Metalsmith, Tim McCreight  Also a Vidio is available.

Soapstone Carving for Children, Bonnie Gosse

 

Suggested Site to visit:

http://user.tninet.se/~mfx106d/vikingbronze.htm

 

Lrd Olaf of Trollhiemsfjord

 

 

Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 05:36:25 -0700

From: Edwin Hewitt <brogoose at pe.net>

To: sca_moneyer at egroups.com

Subject: Cheap American Pewter

> I accidentally deleted the thread on where to get cheap American pewter - any

> leads?     Herr Malachias von Morgenstern, Kapitän der Galatea

 

Try the following links:

http://www.welcocastings.com/industries/jewellery.htm

http://fryconquest.com/leadfree.htm

http://www.riogrande.com

http://www.micromark.com/casting.html

 

 

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 05:22:53 -0400

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

Organization: Windmaster's Hill, Atlantia, and the GDH

Subject: MoL Pewter Exhibition book

 

Hornsby, Peter R G and Weinstein, Rosemary and Homer, Ronald F.

Pewter.

A Celebration of the Craft 1200-1700.

Museum of London, 1989. Catalogue of one of the finest exhibitions of

English pewter ever staged. Many b/w illustrations of

exhibits, engravings and ephemera. Four colour plates. 4to, 112pp,

illustrated card covers. New. Book # 12 £ 7.00

(approx. 11.04 American Dollars)

 

The Seller:

Anglia Publishing,

Unit T, Dodnash Priory FarmHazel Shrub, Bentley,

Ipswich, United Kingdom, IP9 2DF.

Phone: 01473 311138. Fax: 01473 312288.

Email: anglia at anglianet.co.uk

 

 

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:03:43 -0700

From: "Anne-Marie Rousseau" <dailleurs at liripipe.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Tin/Pewter Was: Cornish Pasties

To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

on pewter:

 

Pewter comes in lots of different types. most all will contain some tin, and

this can be mixed with lead, silver, bismuth, antimony etc depending on the

qualities of the pewter you want.

 

Lead pewter is lovely for casting because it flows so nicely and you can

play with the slush point, but it will be soft and duller in color

 

The pewter with a bit of silver in it can be trickier to cast since the

point at which it solidifies is much more narrow (so it can freeze up in

your mold) but its shinier and the pieces will be stiffer.

 

Each type of pewter will have different characteristics, but they all (at

least all the ones I've seen and/or used) have tin in them. If its pure

lead, then its "lead" and not pewter!

 

--Anne-Marie

ps... if you want more info you can check out what we're doing with pewter

here in AnTir at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pewterersguild/

 

 

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:40:57 -0400 (EDT)

From: smcclune at earthlink.net

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Lead, was Tin/Pewter

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

 

Given all the discussion of lead and such, thought I'd mention that  

Lijsbet told me about test kits such as these:

 

http://www.leadinspector.com/?gclid=CIPCz7rjzocCFRieWAodGjNFbQ

 

So if you find a really cool pewter piece at the thrift store and you  

just can't pass it up, you can at least make sure it's food safe  

before you use it!

 

Arwen

 

 

From: Fvigil at aol.com

Date: September 26, 2007 1:19:01 PM CDT

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pewterersguild] Pewter Suppliers. Was: Pewter prices just went up again!

 

In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:54:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sean.wales at comcast.net writes:

<<< So I just ordered some more Pewter from Rio, and it's $72 for a 5.5

lbs. bar. Yikes! That a little over $13 a lbs. >>>

 

Rio Grande's pewter prices are usually quite high.

BUT, since they don't seem to adjust their prices as quickly as most of the metal suppliers, I've gotten lucky a couple of times when there has just been is a large increase in the commodity price of tin - basically my regular suppliers prices had gone up, while Rio's had not yet caught up. Not long after, Rio jumped their prices way up.

Since tin is traded on the commodities market, pricing can vary fairly widely and quickly.  Over the last 6-8 years I've seen prices which varied from 3.10 to 12.30 a pound from my typical suppliers. Some places change their price regularly, others less often, so I typically check around before placing a large order. Prices do get better with some suppliers as you order more, so getting a group order together can help if you think you'll reach possible break points 50#, 100#, 200#.

Here are a couple of other Pewter suppliers

Purity Casting Alloys LTD   604-888-0181 www.PurityAlloys.com

They sell "Lead Free Pewter" (92% Tin, 7% Antimony, 1% Copper).

Their pricing typically includes shipping from Vancouver.  They sell by the pound, ship in small (under 1#) bars which can be convenient, and they don't seem to have a minimum order. Their prices have tended to be reasonable on smaller quantities, but since they don't (or did not last I checked) offer volume discounts, they are not competitive on larger amounts where prices are reduced, and shipping is less of an issue.  

Ney Metals   718-389-4900   NeyMetals.com

They sell Alloy B-7 (92% Tin, 7.5% Antimony, 5% Copper)

Ney is up in New York State. They sell bars that they call 5#.  But typically they come in under that in weight (a 12 bar box typically weighs about 55-56#).  But you will be charged by the actual weight sent.  I've never had them ship less than 12 bars, so I'm not sure what their minimum order may be, or how their pricing might look at under 55 pounds. They do give additional discounts at 100#

  

Hallmark Metals   888-467-8000   HallmarkMetals.net

They sell damn near any alloy you would ask for, but I typically buy: (92% Tin, 7.5% Antimony, 5% Copper or 92% Tin, 7% Antimony, 1% Copper )

Hallmark is in Rhode Island.  They sell 7# (nominal) bars, but the exact weight will vary.  Again, they charge you based on the actual weight sent. They seem willing to supply small orders. Though I typically order 10-20 bars, I once ordered only 5 bars. I've no clue if they will sell less.

More often than not these guys have seemed to have the best prices - at least for the quantities I buy.

Metalliferous Inc.   888-944-0909   Metalliferous.com

A friend recently rcommended these guys, but I've not checked them out personally yet.

And since Rio was the starting point for this post:

Rio Grande Jewelry Supply  800-545-6566   RioGrande.com

They sell catalog number 750031 (92% Tin, 7.5% Antimony, .5% Copper)

They sell nominal 5.5# bars, and you can order as little as 1 bar.  Their prices are typically high, but they don't change them very often.  So if tin prices skyrocket, their (old un-raised) prices seem more reasonable for a while. But, if they raise their price before the price drops, then their prices can seem astronomical in comparison to others.  They offer price breaks at 10 bars (55#) and at 20 bars (110#.).

Fernando

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Conde Fernando Rodriguez de Falcon

Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir

 

 

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:03:43 -0700

From: "Anne-Marie Rousseau" <dailleurs at liripipe.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Tin/Pewter Was: Cornish Pasties

To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

on pewter:

 

Pewter comes in lots of different types. most all will contain some tin, and

this can be mixed with lead, silver, bismuth, antimony etc depending on the

qualities of the pewter you want.

 

Lead pewter is lovely for casting because it flows so nicely and you can

play with the slush point, but it will be soft and duller in color

 

The pewter with a bit of silver in it can be trickier to cast since the

point at which it solidifies is much more narrow (so it can freeze up in

your mold) but its shinier and the pieces will be stiffer.

 

Each type of pewter will have different characteristics, but they all (at

least all the ones I've seen and/or used) have tin in them. If its pure

lead, then its "lead" and not pewter!

 

--Anne-Marie

ps... if you want more info you can check out what we're doing with pewter

here in AnTir at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pewterersguild/

 

 

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:40:57 -0400 (EDT)

From: smcclune at earthlink.net

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Lead, was Tin/Pewter

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

 

Given all the discussion of lead and such, thought I'd mention that  

Lijsbet told me about test kits such as these:

http://www.leadinspector.com/?gclid=CIPCz7rjzocCFRieWAodGjNFbQ

 

So if you find a really cool pewter piece at the thrift store and you  

just can't pass it up, you can at least make sure it's food safe  

before you use it!

 

Arwen

 

 

From: Brian Ferguson <bjf10 at the-immortals.com>

Date: January 5, 2008 6:20:49 PM CST

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: [pewterersguild] Another pewter source

 

I recently bought some 99.9% pure tin for $10/lb from a supplier in 
Kansas that primarily caters to home bullet makers. I plan to alloy 
this with a roughly 90% tin alloy that I have at a 1:1 ratio, to make 
something similar to 95/5 solder in terms of material properties.

 

This 
supplier will make custom alloys with antimony, lead, tin, and possibly 
other metals. Prices vary, of course, but this is a few bucks cheaper 
per pound than I've seen elsewhere.



 

Action Bullets & Alloy Inc


PO Box 189


Quinter, KS 67752


(785) 754-3609

 



-Derian.

 

 

From: Precious Plunder <hrothgarthorsson at yahoo.com>

Date: May 1, 2008 11:57:32 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] need suggestions

 

I've had good luck with Metalliferous in New York.

Their website is http://www.metalliferous.com/ They

carry pewter in their base metal catalog on their

website.

 

HRothgar Thorsson

 

 

From: Brian Ferguson <bjf10 at the-immortals.com>

Date: July 28, 2008 11:12:09 PM CDT

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pewterersguild] Oh dear...Pewter in Portland

 

EaldredSCA wrote:



> Don't know about Portland for true pewter but you can get lead free


> solder at a hardware store.

 



This will work, though expect to pay a fair amount more than you would 
by buying a similar product online. Perhaps double. It's often sold as 
one of the following:



 

95/5 leadless solder (95% tin, 5% antimony)
 leadless plumbing solder


lead free solder (may contain other stuff, but should work)



 

> Actually, a 50% lead solder would be closer to true period silver. Just


> don't lick the site tokens.

 



Using a lead-based pewter for site tokens is a reeeally bad idea. Kids 
will lick them, people will handle them before meals, etc.



 

> Finally, online try www.rotometals.com <http://www.rotometals.com>. You


> can find a variety of pewters and low temp casting metals.

 



Rotometals is great, but I doubt you'll be able to get pewter from them 
ahead of your deadline.

 



Another possibility would be jeweler supply stores. They infrequently 
carry pewter, and may charge you more than you ought to pay, but you can 
sometimes get it from them. Again, buying online is generally your best 
bet.



 

Scouring second-hand stores can work, but you'll never be sure what sort 
of metal you're getting. It's not worth the time, IMO.

 



Lastly, industrial metal suppliers *sometimes* carry pewter alloys. 
They should be able to tell you exactly what's in it, but you may have 
to buy a relatively large quantity from them to qualify for a sale.



 

-Derian.

 

 

From: Stefan li Rous <stefanlirous at austin.rr.com>

Date: July 29, 2008 1:39:24 AM CDT

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pewterersguild] Oh dear...Pewter in Portland

 

On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Veronica wrote:


> I'm gonna facepalm. The persons doing the site tokens are newbies like


> me to pewter casting. What an adventure! As such none of us know where


> in Portland to get Pewter. Anyone know?


 

What is your deadline?



 

From my pewter class handout:


 

<<< My pewter now comes from:


Hallmark Metal Co (hallmark.metal at juno.com) 1-888-467-8000


http://www.hallmarkmetalscorp.com/

 



MPK is a Tin/Copper/Bismuth/Silver alloy melts 5-600 degrees F., 
$7.75 lb.


928 is a Tin/Antimony/Copper alloy melts 550-650 degrees F., $7.25 lb.



 

Call before ordering as this material is a commodity and varies from 
day to day.

 

The price of some of the materials has gone up 
drastically in the last year or two. This price is almost double what 
I paid as recently as 2005.



 

The pewter comes in 7 pound bars, which are notched for cutting into 
three pieces. If you ask, they will cut them at the factory.>>>



 

Those prices are from last February or March. They have probably gone 
up since then. That also doesn't include shipping.

 



They do ship fairly quick. Usually arrives in about a week or two, I 
think. Pewter isn't something you want to pay expedited shipping on. :-)



 

If you need to buy it locally, as someone else mentioned, lead-free 
plumbers solder is probably your best bet. It also has the advantage 
that being available in 1 pound spools, you can simply roll off how 
much you need and not have to melt 2 pound ingots in a 1 pound pot.



 

It will be more expensive. When I bought mine this way some years 
ago, I found a huge difference in price from $8 to $13 per pound at 
the local retail stores. By doing some calling around I was able to 
find a wholesale plumbing supply place that was willing to sell it to 
me and it was cheaper than the cheapest retail place I had found, 
about $7/pound.

 

These prices are from 15 years ago.



Stefan


--------


THLord Stefan li Rous   Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra


Mark S. Harris          Austin, Texas           StefanliRous at austin.rr.com

 

 

From: de Savage <deSavage at telus.net>

Date: September 15, 2008 10:57:24 PM CDT

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pewterersguild] pewter pricing

 

In Canada ...



Purity Casting Alloys Ltd.

http://purityalloys.com/
#15 - 18503, 97th Ave


Surrey, B.C.
V4N 3N9


Phone: (604) 888-0181


Fax: (604) 888-8318



 

Lead Free Pewter Alloy - $15.50 per pound


Silver Pewter Alloy - $16.95 per pound


Minimum Order - 25 pounds


Prices include shipping, handling and brokerage fees

 



If you have someone in the area to pick up for you, they'll do orders 
smaller than 25 pounds and they're open until midnight, Monday 
through Thursday.

Go figure.

 



Good company - very responsive.

 



Sevrin Lord de Savage


Rapier Marshal * Appledore


Autocrat - Tournament of the Golden Swan AS XLIII


Cadet to Don Enoch Jacobsz. van Zuidland


GdS, AoA, Scholar of St Thomas Aquinas, Silver Oak

 

 

From: Alex Haugland <ahauglan at gmail.com>

Date: September 15, 2008 11:35:15 PM CDT

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pewterersguild] pewter pricing

 

Another that I've bought from is www.rotometals.com.  They have aquaclean at $15.49/lb, 98% tin alloy at 14.49, and 92% at 16.99...  Not significantly cheaper than Rio Grande, but they sell in smaller quantities...

 



--Alysaundre Weldon d'Ath (who is still very glad about having bought 10 ingots from Rio Grande at $42 each a couple years ago...)



 

 

From: Dan Towse <dantowse at btinternet.com>

Date: June 18, 2009 4:10:25 PM CDT

To: No Reply <notify-dg-pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com>, <pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [pewterersguild] Another Online Artefacts database.

 

Pity about the dutch site, 

But here's another with a bunch of useful doodads. Not too many pilgrim
 badges but good for ampullae, and belt mounts.



http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=21

 

 

From: Sean Wales <sean.wales at comcast.net>

Date: July 2, 2009 5:23:18 PM CDT

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pewterersguild] coloring pewter

 

On Jul 2, 2009, at 2:12 PM, David wrote:

<<< Greeting all, 

My question is :

What would be the best way to color pewter? Let's say I want it to look gold instead of silver. What are my options?

 >>>

 

I've gold leafed pewter, and it comes out pretty spiffy.  (and period)

 

-sean

 

 

From: Stefan li Rous <stefanlirous at austin.rr.com>

Date: July 2, 2009 9:55:29 PM CDT

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pewterersguild] coloring pewter

 

On Jul 2, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Holly Compton wrote:

<<< That [gold leafing pewter] sounds very nifty. I would love to try it. Do you know of any extant pieces? Did you just use leaf from the local hobby place?


Maggie
 >>>

 

How do you get the gold leaf to stick to the pewter? Does surface 
tension alone do it?

 



I have two different files in the Florilegium having to do with gold 
leaf, one on using gold leaf on food and the other in illumination.


 

In the FOOD-SWEETS-DECORATED section:


endoring-msg (24K) 1/14/03 Medieval methods of giving food a 
gold color


In the SCRIBAL ARTS section:


gold-leaf-msg (24K) 2/15/06 Working with gold leaf, tools.

 



I'm not sure how much is applicable to pewter, though.



 

I have wondered about using the electoplating pens they make. They are 
available with lots of different metals from copper, to brass to 
silver to gold. The gold was pretty expensive ~$175 but the others 
were much cheaper.

 



One thing I have done is use the lower-temperature bake on enamels 
available in your local hobby store. If you pick them right, you can 
get a translucent, glass appearance. Looks great as the background on 
a "coin" shaped piece or to highlight a particular area. Ideally, the 
area such be a "pocket" to hold the "glass". You can't use real enamel 
since that has to be fired at a temperature which is higher than the 
melting point of the pewter. However, since pewter today is used today 
to imitate silver jewelry (and was in period), we are just using a 
fake glass and fake silver to imitate a period silver and enamel 
piece, so I see this as a reasonable compromise.



 

Stefan



 

 

From: Bob Woods <bobwoods at mac.com>

Date: July 3, 2009 12:54:59 AM CDT

To: pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pewterersguild] coloring pewter

 

I've done electroplating gold on pewter with a plating pen. It works 
really well, but tends to wear off the high points easily. The gold 
layer that's deposited on the metal by pen plating is on the order of 
a few millionths of an inch thick. A bath-type plater could probably 
put a much deal thicker layer on, after all you can leave it plating 
in the tank for a while, where as the pen plater is almost like taking 
a sharpie to it, albeit a sharpie that uses pure gold as the ink.

 



I haven't tried doing undercoats of copper and nickel, as I usually do 
on silver, to keep the silver from tarnishing under the gold. I happen 
to have the pen plater since I do silversmithing, specializing in 
coronets and circlets.

 



What I use for the An Tir kingdom medallions (for the checky on the 
Goutte, Jambe and the Lion) is the low-fire Pebeo enamels. Be sure to 
use the transparent one for gold. The other, opaque variety goes an 
unappealing muddy green-gold color after firing that really doesn't 
look like gold. The transparent variety lets you see the gleam of the 
metal right through the color. Works very well, and is quite durable.



 

I have one medallion, the Goutte, which has a tear-shaped glass bead 
hanging in the middle of it. I can fire the medallion with the bead in 
place at the temperatures needed for curing the enamel.

 



Conchobar

 

 

From: "Anne-Marie Rousseau" <dailleurs at liripipe.com>

Date: July 8, 2009 12:19:12 AM CDT

To: <pewterersguild at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: [pewterersguild] coloring pewter

 

Glad to be of help!


 

I know that some of the extant pieces in the museum catalogs I have show 
vestigates of enamel, etc.  

Mark der Gaulker could likely chime in if he knows of any examples of gilt
 pewter? I can think of jillions of examples of gilt silver....



--AM

-----

 

Original Message-----

 

Hi Anne Marie, 
Thank you so much for sharing that how to.  I am really interested in trying 
this.
  I am also really curious about when this was done in period. Can you point 
me in the direction of when? (not gold leaf, but gold leaf on pewter)


Thanks again, 
Maggie

 

<<< Hey all from Anne-Marie



 

On gold leafing pewter....

The work we did was very successful. All it took was a bit of sizing (we 
used a modern leafing size, but period egg white glair works great too based
 on our experiments) 

Paint it on in a thin coat, and let it dry to just the right tackiness (this
 will take some experimentation) . Apply the gold leaf by wrapping the paper
 backing around the piece and using your fingers, rub it into the piece.



 

That's it!

 

The only tricky bit was making sure the size was JUST sticky
 enough, and getting the gold into the nooks and crannies of the piece. It 
definitely worked better on the flatter surfaces than it did the super 
textured ones. 

We used the pure edible gold leaf I got from a cake decorating supply place,
 because its what I had, and it doesn't contain copper or other impurities 
like the "craft" stuff. In my hands, this stuff doesn't tarnish and wears
 like iron (I gilded the finial of my tent with the same method and its still 
super shiny and GOLD!!! after many years of weather and abuse). The "craft 
gold" doesn't have the same shine or color and looks fake to me....



Easy peasy!! And period to boot!

 

I love it when it works out that way :)



--Anne-Marie
 >>>

 

 

From: Fernando Vigil <Fvigil at AOL.COM>

Date: January 28, 2010 9:42:13 AM CST

To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu

Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] paging Ferd---pewter question

 

In a message dated 1/28/2010 09:30:37 Central Standard Time, bpronia at HOTMAIL.COM

writes:

<<< What did you tell me I could use on pewter to add an aged finish? and is there anything you do to seal the back so it doesn't leave grey marks on your clothes? >>>

 

Two options. One is a commercial pewter oxidizer. You can buy it from RioGrande.com, and I'm sure from other jewelry suppliers as well. This stuff is comprised of a nitric and floroboric acid solution. I've also used a simple 5% nitric acid solution.

Either one of these will turn the pewter grey to black -depending on how long you leave it in the solutionn.  A quick (few seconds) dip gives you grey, longer and it gets darker.

You can then seriously polish it to leave the color only in the cracks - this pops the detail out. Or you can rub it down or polish it to various levels of antique-ish look

As far as avoiding getting the grey on your cloths, I've not really had that issue, when I've rubbed the pieces down hard with a rag to remove all the lose oxide, but I've not done a big piece and then left it to rub on say, white clothing. You could also polish the back to get all the oxide off/sealed under wax.

Fernando

 

From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at AUSTIN.RR.COM>

Date: January 28, 2010 7:29:25 PM CST

To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu

Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] paging Ferd---pewter question

 

In a message dated 1/28/2010 09:30:37 Central Standard Time, bpronia at HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<< What did you tell me I could use on pewter to add an aged finish? and is there anything you do to seal the back so it doesn't leave grey marks on your clothes? >>>

 

A question to consider is why you want to make your pewter item to look 'aged'?

 

Are you wanting your pewter item to look like an archeological item dug out of the ground? Or is it an item that was being worn or used everyday in the Middle Ages?

 

I tried one of these aging solutions when I first got into pewter casting ~15 years ago.  I didn't get the gradual change that Fernando alludes to. In my case, I dipped it in the solution and it immediately turned quite dark.  I didn't do any more experimenting to try to tone down the amount of aging because I decided I was making site tokens as if they were pilgrim badges being cast in the (current) Middle Ages and not some ancient artifact.

 

Even if you do indeed wish to age your pewter item, I would experiment on a scrap piece or two before trying your prime pieces.

 

Stefan

--------

THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra

   Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous at austin.rr.com

 

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