p-asbestos-msg - 1/17/10 ਀ഊPeriod use of asbestos. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: p-petroleum-msg, firestarting-msg, Fire-Starting-art, tablecloths-msg, mining-msg, burials-msg, textiles-msg, weaving-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +1300 (NZDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀娀愀渀攀 刀⸀ 嘀⸀ 䈀爀甀挀攀∀ 㰀稀愀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀爀愀搀椀猀攀⸀最攀渀⸀渀稀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Lochac] So when do we stop being what we are? ਀吀漀㨀 ∀吀栀攀 匀栀愀洀戀氀攀猀㨀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 䰀漀挀栀愀挀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀∀ഊ ਀ഊJohn Colwell wrote: ਀㰀㰀㰀 䈀愀搀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀℀Ⰰ 䄀猀戀攀猀琀漀猀 椀猀渀✀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊgryn >>> ਀ഊEh? ਀ഊAsbestos is perfectly period. Rare, but period. It's mentioned by ਀匀琀爀愀戀漀Ⰰ 倀氀椀渀礀 愀渀搀 䴀愀爀挀漀 倀漀氀漀Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀⸀  䌀栀愀爀氀攀洀愀最渀攀 椀猀 爀攀瀀甀琀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀ഊhad a table cloth made of it, and it was used for 'eternal' lantern wicks ਀椀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䜀爀攀攀挀攀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 洀椀渀攀搀 椀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䜀爀攀攀挀攀Ⰰ 䌀栀椀渀愀 愀渀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊhas apparently been found in archaeological contexts from Egypt to ਀匀挀愀渀搀椀渀愀瘀椀愀⸀ഊ ਀䴀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀 最漀漀最氀愀戀氀攀 愀爀攀 愀 戀椀琀 琀攀爀琀椀愀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀ഊlooks like it may have been found in the medieval period as both cloth and ਀昀椀氀氀椀渀最 昀漀爀 愀爀洀漀爀 瀀愀搀搀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䤀愀爀渀甀氀昀爀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:39:25 +1300 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀爀椀猀 搀攀 䰀椀猀氀攀 㰀挀洀搀攀氀椀猀氀攀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Lochac] So when do we stop being what we are? ਀吀漀㨀 ∀吀栀攀 匀栀愀洀戀氀攀猀㨀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 䰀漀挀栀愀挀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀∀ഊ ਀ഊ<<< Asbestos is perfectly period. Rare, but period. It's mentioned by ਀匀琀爀愀戀漀Ⰰ 倀氀椀渀礀 愀渀搀 䴀愀爀挀漀 倀漀氀漀Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀⸀  䌀栀愀爀氀攀洀愀最渀攀 椀猀 爀攀瀀甀琀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀ഊhad a table cloth made of it. >>> ਀ഊIn case anyone is wondering why, as I was, one would make a tablecloth out ਀漀昀 愀猀戀攀猀琀漀猀㬀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 椀琀 椀猀 猀漀 琀栀攀 栀漀猀琀 挀愀渀 琀栀爀漀眀 椀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀攀 琀漀 挀氀攀愀渀ഊoff crumbs and mess rather than clean it properly (Because asbestos doesn't ਀戀甀爀渀⤀⸀ 䐀漀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 眀椀琀栀 渀愀瀀欀椀渀猀 椀猀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 戀漀琀栀 匀琀爀愀戀漀 愀渀搀 倀氀椀渀礀Ⰰ 愀猀ഊIarnulfr says. ਀ഊThe tablecloth story apparently only dates to the eighteenth century, ਀栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䤀漀愀渀渀攀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:54:44 +1100 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䤀愀渀 圀栀椀琀挀栀甀爀挀栀 㰀椀愀渀⸀眀栀椀琀挀栀甀爀挀栀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Lochac] So when do we stop being what we are? ਀吀漀㨀 ∀吀栀攀 匀栀愀洀戀氀攀猀㨀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 䰀漀挀栀愀挀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀∀ഊ ਀ഊPliny the Elder, book 19 ਀ഊCHAP. 4.--LINEN MADE OF ASBESTOS. ਀ഊThere has been invented also a kind of linen which is incombustible by ਀昀氀愀洀攀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 ∀氀椀瘀攀∀㄀ 氀椀渀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀Ⰰ 戀攀昀漀爀攀ഊnow, napkins2 that were made of it [p. 4137] thrown into a blazing ਀昀椀爀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 爀漀漀洀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 最甀攀猀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 愀琀 琀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀椀渀猀ഊwere burnt out, come forth from the flames whiter and cleaner than ਀琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀渀搀攀爀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 愀椀搀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀ഊthis material that the corpse-cloths of monarchs are made, to ensure ਀琀栀攀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀猀栀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀搀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀椀氀攀⸀ 吀栀椀猀ഊsubstance grows3 in the deserts of India,4 scorched by the burning ਀爀愀礀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀甀渀㨀 栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 渀漀 爀愀椀渀 椀猀 攀瘀攀爀 欀渀漀眀渀 琀漀 昀愀氀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀洀椀搀ഊmultitudes of deadly serpents, it becomes habituated to resist the ਀愀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀爀攀⸀ 刀愀爀攀氀礀 琀漀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀猀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀愀戀氀攀ഊdifficulties in weaving it into a tissue, in consequence of its ਀猀栀漀爀琀渀攀猀猀㬀 椀琀猀 挀漀氀漀甀爀 椀猀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀氀礀 爀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 漀渀氀礀 戀攀挀漀洀攀猀 眀栀椀琀攀ഊthrough the agency of fire. By those who find it, it is sold at prices ਀攀焀甀愀氀 琀漀 琀栀漀猀攀 最椀瘀攀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀攀猀琀 瀀攀愀爀氀猀㬀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀攀欀猀 椀琀 椀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀ഊ"asbestinon,"5 a name which indicates its peculiar properties. ਀䄀渀愀砀椀氀愀㼀猀㘀 洀愀欀攀猀 愀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀昀 愀 琀爀攀攀 椀猀ഊsurrounded with linen made of this substance, the noise of the blows ਀最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 愀砀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 搀攀愀搀攀渀攀搀 琀栀攀爀攀戀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀ഊcut down without their being heard. For these qualities it is that ਀琀栀椀猀 氀椀渀攀渀 漀挀挀甀瀀椀攀猀 琀栀攀 瘀攀爀礀 栀椀最栀攀猀琀 爀愀渀欀 愀洀漀渀最 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀ഊknown. ਀ഊhttp://old.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137&query=head%3D%231153 ਀ഊAnton ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　㄀　 ㄀㤀㨀㌀　㨀㔀㜀 ⬀　㜀　　ഊFrom: JL Badgley ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䰀漀挀栀愀挀崀 䄀猀戀攀猀琀漀猀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊTo: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" ਀ऀ㰀氀漀挀栀愀挀 愀琀 氀漀挀栀愀挀⸀猀挀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀伀渀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 䨀愀渀 ㄀㔀Ⰰ ㈀　㄀　 愀琀 㔀㨀㄀㈀ 倀䴀Ⰰ 圀愀欀攀氀椀渀攀 㰀挀栀漀氀氀椀琀琀 愀琀 椀攀攀攀⸀漀爀最㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊJohn Colwell wrote: ਀㰀㰀 䈀愀搀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀℀Ⰰ 䄀猀戀攀猀琀漀猀 椀猀渀✀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 㸀㸀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 䤀琀 洀漀猀琀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 椀猀℀ 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀猀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 欀渀攀眀 椀琀 眀愀猀 戀愀搀 昀漀爀ഊthe lungs. >>> ਀ഊ"Salamander" cloth, was made of asbestos fibers, I believe. Marco ਀倀漀氀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 椀琀 戀攀椀渀最 洀椀渀攀搀 ⠀爀攀最愀爀搀氀攀猀猀 漀昀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀 瘀椀攀眀 倀漀氀漀✀猀ഊitinerary and whether he visited places, his descriptions are good ਀攀渀漀甀最栀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 挀愀渀 猀愀礀 ⨀猀漀洀攀漀渀攀⨀ 欀渀攀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀⤀⸀  䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀ഊ(according to the notes in the Yule-Cordier version) there was a cloth ਀最椀瘀攀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 嘀愀琀椀挀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀甀琀 椀渀 愀 昀椀爀攀ഊand coming out clean--apparently woven of asbestos. ਀ഊ-Ii Katsumori ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　㄀　 　㐀㨀㔀㘀㨀　㈀ ⬀　㠀　　 ⠀圀匀吀⤀ഊFrom: jtstewart at westnet.com.au ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䰀漀挀栀愀挀崀 䄀猀戀攀猀琀漀猀 刀攀㨀  匀漀 眀栀攀渀 搀漀 眀攀 猀琀漀瀀 戀攀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀 眀攀 愀爀攀㼀ഊTo: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" ਀ऀ㰀氀漀挀栀愀挀 愀琀 氀漀挀栀愀挀⸀猀挀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀 栀愀瘀攀 椀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀 甀猀攀 椀琀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䜀爀攀攀欀 愀渀搀 刀漀洀愀渀 琀椀洀攀猀⸀ 䈀礀 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 椀渀猀甀氀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 猀甀椀琀猀 漀昀 愀爀洀漀甀爀⸀ 匀漀Ⰰ 洀甀挀栀 愀猀 椀琀 瀀愀椀渀猀 洀攀 琀漀 猀愀礀Ⰰ 昀椀爀攀瀀爀漀漀昀 甀渀搀攀爀挀氀漀琀栀攀猀 昀漀爀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 椀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀搀瘀椀猀攀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 甀猀椀渀最 椀琀 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀洀愀最渀攀✀猀 昀愀洀漀甀猀 昀椀爀攀 瀀爀漀漀昀 琀愀戀氀攀挀氀漀琀栀 愀洀漀渀最猀琀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀琀攀洀猀⸀ ഊhttp://www.unrv.com/economy/asbestos.php ਀ഊJohn of the Hills ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ瀀ⴀ愀猀戀攀猀琀漀猀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㌀ 漀昀 ㌀ഊ ਊ