glasswork-msg - 8/31/09 ਀ഊStained glass, glass etching. glassblowing. glassbeads. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: glass-bib, glass-lnks, pottery-msg, enameling-msg, tiles-msg, lampwrk-beads-lnks, beads-msg, ceramics-bib. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀  栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀  栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀  愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀  漀昀  攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀  眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀  眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀  眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀  渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀  愀猀  琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀  漀昀  琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  最椀瘀攀渀  戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀  爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀  愀渀搀  攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀  琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀  琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀  挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀  漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀  椀猀  甀渀挀氀攀愀爀  愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀  椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  椀猀  瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀  昀爀漀洀  琀栀攀猀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 欀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 愀琀 氀搀猀⸀氀漀爀愀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䔀搀 䬀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 㘀㤀㘀㘀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Glass etching ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䰀漀爀愀氀 䐀愀琀愀 匀礀猀琀攀洀猀ഊDate: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 16:25:59 GMT ਀ഊst1xe at elroy.uh.edu (Brown, Derek S) writes: ਀㸀䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 最氀愀猀猀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 匀椀氀欀攀 ⠀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⤀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀Ⰰഊ ਀䄀琀 氀愀猀琀 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀℀ 㬀帀⤀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀 氀攀琀猀 猀攀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 瘀愀最甀攀 戀甀琀 䤀✀氀氀 最椀瘀攀 椀琀 愀 琀爀礀⸀ 䤀渀 琀栀攀 ഊfifteenth to seventeenth centuries period stained glass used a type of glass ਀挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀昀氀愀猀栀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀∀ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 愀 琀栀椀渀 氀愀礀攀爀 ⠀愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀洀洀⤀ 漀昀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 ഊ(usually read or blue) placed on a thicker layer of clear glass. Then to aid ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀爀愀氀氀 氀漀漀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀 猀漀洀攀 漀爀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀ഊfrom the colored strata. ਀ഊSee "Stained Glass" by Lawrence Lee or "Windows" by Day. ਀ഊFor clear glass (ie goblet or bottle) etching you can find sources that show ਀搀椀愀洀漀渀搀 漀爀 挀漀瀀瀀攀爀 眀栀攀攀氀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最⸀  吀栀攀 搀椀愀洀漀渀搀 琀椀瀀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最 眀愀猀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 搀漀渀攀 甀猀椀渀最ഊa hand tool much like a pen. The process is also called stippling and shading ਀椀渀 猀漀洀攀 戀漀漀欀猀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 最攀琀 愀 最漀漀搀 猀琀愀爀琀攀爀 欀椀琀 昀爀漀洀 愀 匀眀椀猀猀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ഊ"TB glass etching tools". I have found them in some of the larger craft stores. But they are hard to find. I have heard but not yet seen documentation on ਀愀瀀瀀爀攀渀琀椀挀攀 搀爀椀瘀攀渀 爀漀琀愀琀椀渀最 搀椀愀洀漀渀搀 琀椀瀀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最 琀漀漀氀猀⸀ ⠀䴀甀挀栀 氀椀欀攀 搀爀攀洀洀攀氀 琀漀漀氀猀ഊdiamond wheel glass etching tools. Except that I do not believe the period ਀洀愀挀栀椀渀攀 爀攀愀挀栀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀瀀攀攀搀猀 愀挀栀椀攀瘀攀搀 戀礀 搀爀攀洀洀攀氀⸀ 㬀帀⤀⤀  䤀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 ഊsource I used for my documentation at the moment but I believe the title was ਀猀椀洀瀀氀攀 ∀䜀氀愀猀猀 䔀琀挀栀椀渀最∀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀漀瀀攀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀猀眀攀爀猀 礀漀甀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 洀漀爀攀 漀昀 愀 栀漀眀 椀渀琀爀椀挀愀琀攀ഊor how good did it look? I can site an example where Germany wanted to start a ਀䜀攀爀洀愀渀 最氀愀猀猀 最甀椀氀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀  䄀昀琀攀爀 猀漀洀攀 渀攀最漀琀椀愀琀椀漀渀猀 眀椀琀栀 嘀攀渀椀挀攀ഊincluding non-competition agreements in certain areas, Venice sent Germany a ਀氀愀爀最攀 最氀愀猀猀 戀漀眀氀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 攀渀最爀愀瘀攀搀 愀爀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀漀眀氀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊconstruction and use of a glass works. The pictorials described in detail how ਀琀漀 戀甀椀氀搀 琀栀攀 欀椀氀渀猀Ⰰ  栀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 眀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 爀甀猀栀攀猀 琀漀 挀甀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 最氀愀猀猀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀ഊformulas ... ਀ഊLet me know if I can help further. I have some instructional materials, on ਀瀀愀瀀攀爀 渀漀琀 最氀愀猀猀 㬀帀⤀⸀  吀栀愀琀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 最氀愀搀 琀漀 洀愀椀氀 礀漀甀 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀攀渀搀 洀攀ഊyour postal address. ਀ഊI have a Laurel in Stained and Etched glass. ਀ഊErik. ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊEd Kreyling | Master Erik of Telemark O.L.,O.P. ਀欀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀氀搀猀⸀氀漀爀愀氀⸀挀漀洀ऀ簀 匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 䈀爀椀渀攀猀椀搀攀 䴀漀漀爀ഊSarasota,Fl. USA | Kingdom of Trimaris, SCA ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 唀䌀䌀堀䐀䔀䴀 㰀唀䌀䌀堀䐀䔀䴀 愀琀 䴀嘀匀⸀唀䌀䌀⸀伀䬀匀吀䄀吀䔀⸀䔀䐀唀㸀ഊSubject: Re: Glass etching ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀欀氀愀栀漀洀愀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 䌀攀渀琀攀爀Ⰰ 匀琀椀氀氀眀愀琀攀爀 伀䬀ഊDate: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 15:04:00 GMT ਀ഊ>Well lets see, your question is a little vague but I'll give it a try. In the ਀㸀昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 琀漀 猀攀瘀攀渀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 甀猀攀搀 愀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀ഊ>called "flashed glass" which was a thin layer (about 1mm) of colored glass ਀㸀⠀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 爀攀愀搀 漀爀 戀氀甀攀⤀ 瀀氀愀挀攀搀 漀渀 愀 琀栀椀挀欀攀爀 氀愀礀攀爀 漀昀 挀氀攀愀爀 最氀愀猀猀⸀  吀栀攀渀 琀漀 愀椀搀ഊ>in the overall look of the piece some or all of the colored glass was removed ਀㸀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 猀琀爀愀琀愀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀匀攀攀 ∀匀琀愀椀渀攀搀 䜀氀愀猀猀∀ 戀礀 䰀愀眀爀攀渀挀攀 䰀攀攀 漀爀 ∀圀椀渀搀漀眀猀∀ 戀礀 䐀愀礀⸀ഊ>Erik. ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 甀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀 愀渀搀 甀渀琀漀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䔀爀椀欀 昀爀漀洀 䴀愀爀欀攀⸀ഊI beg to differ on the definition on flashed glass. The base glass was ਀愀 ✀洀甀昀昀✀ 最氀愀猀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 愀 眀栀椀琀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 ⠀ 渀漀琀 挀氀攀愀爀 ⸀⤀ 䴀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 愀爀攀ഊ_Stained Glass_ by Sarah Brown, curator and restoration of stained ਀最氀愀猀猀⸀ 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 愀渀搀 开䐀攀 䐀椀瘀攀爀猀椀猀 䄀爀琀椀戀甀猀开 戀礀 吀栀攀漀瀀栀椀氀甀猀Ⰰ 愀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀ഊThe treatise by Theophilus is a period manuscript written in the 12th ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ ഊ Marke ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: kreyling at lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最ഊOrganization: Loral Data Systems ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㐀㨀㔀㘀㨀㐀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㄀㤀㤀㌀㄀　㄀㈀　㤀　㐀㔀㈀唀䌀䌀堀䐀䔀䴀 愀琀 䴀嘀匀⸀唀䌀䌀⸀伀䬀匀吀䄀吀䔀⸀䔀䐀唀㸀 唀䌀䌀堀䐀䔀䴀 㰀唀䌀䌀堀䐀䔀䴀 愀琀 䴀嘀匀⸀唀䌀䌀⸀伀䬀匀吀䄀吀䔀⸀䔀䐀唀㸀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Greetings unto the Rialto and unto Master Erik from Marke. ਀㸀䤀 戀攀最 琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 昀氀愀猀栀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 戀愀猀攀 最氀愀猀猀 眀愀猀ഊ>a 'muff' glass which was a white color ( not clear .) My sources are ਀㸀开匀琀愀椀渀攀搀 䜀氀愀猀猀开 戀礀 匀愀爀愀栀 䈀爀漀眀渀Ⰰ 挀甀爀愀琀漀爀 愀渀搀 爀攀猀琀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀ഊ> glass. London ਀㸀愀渀搀ഊ>_De Diversis Artibus_ by Theophilus, a translation ਀㸀吀栀攀 琀爀攀愀琀椀猀攀 戀礀 吀栀攀漀瀀栀椀氀甀猀 椀猀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㈀琀栀ഊ>century. ਀㸀                                                䴀愀爀欀攀ഊ ਀儀甀椀琀攀 爀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 琀椀洀攀 挀爀愀洀瀀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀渀礀 昀氀愀猀栀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀ഊon white, except black on white. The three most available colors in this ਀愀爀攀愀 愀爀攀 爀攀搀Ⰰ 戀氀甀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 最爀攀攀渀 漀渀 挀氀攀愀爀 最氀愀猀猀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 攀渀最爀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 搀椀愀洀漀渀搀ഊor copperwheel engravers the effect is a snowy looking backround (not clear). ਀ഊErik. ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊEd Kreyling | Master Erik of Telemark O.L.,O.P. ਀欀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀氀搀猀⸀氀漀爀愀氀⸀挀漀洀ऀ簀 匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 䈀爀椀渀攀猀椀搀攀 䴀漀漀爀ഊSarasota,Fl. USA | Kingdom of Trimaris, SCA ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 欀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 愀琀 氀搀猀⸀氀漀爀愀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䔀搀 䬀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 㘀㤀㘀㘀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Glass etching ??? ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䰀漀爀愀氀 䐀愀琀愀 匀礀猀琀攀洀猀ഊDate: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 23:43:35 GMT ਀ഊIn article st1xe at jane.uh.edu (William Silke) writes: ਀㸀䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 最氀愀猀猀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最 椀猀㼀  䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊ>Eastern countries might have glass etching since their chemistry ਀㸀⠀椀⸀攀⸀ 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀⤀ 猀攀攀洀攀搀 洀漀爀攀 愀搀瘀愀渀挀攀搀 琀栀愀渀 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 昀漀爀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 ഊ>history. Anyone? ਀㸀ഊ>William Silke (Ansteorra) ਀ഊI have been able to find documentation of Diamond tipped engraving; copper ਀眀栀攀攀氀 攀渀最爀愀瘀椀渀最㬀 愀渀搀 愀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 愀戀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䈀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 渀漀琀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀ഊany dates on acid etching. Every book I have on glass mentions the dangers ਀漀昀 愀挀椀搀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最 ∀搀漀渀✀琀 琀爀礀 琀栀椀猀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀∀ 戀甀琀 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 最椀瘀攀猀 愀 搀愀琀攀ഊfor the beginning of acid etching. ਀ഊErik. ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊEd Kreyling | Master Erik of Telemark O.L.,O.P. ਀欀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀氀搀猀⸀氀漀爀愀氀⸀挀漀洀ऀ簀 匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 䈀爀椀渀攀猀椀搀攀 䴀漀漀爀ഊSarasota,Fl. USA | Kingdom of Trimaris, SCA ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ ਀ഊFrom: beckum at aol.com (BECKUM) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Info on Glass Blowing needed! ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㐀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㔀㨀㄀㄀㨀㄀㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ ਀夀漀甀爀 椀渀 氀甀挀欀Ⰰ 栀攀爀攀 椀猀 琀栀攀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀 漀昀 洀礀 䈀愀爀漀渀 眀栀漀洀 搀漀攀猀 最氀愀猀猀 戀氀漀眀椀渀最 愀猀ഊwell as stained \ leaded glass work and glass beads: ਀ഊSyr Thomas ap Llewellyn ਀䴀䬀䄀㨀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀猀ഊ10160 Allen Rd. ਀倀椀挀欀攀爀椀渀最琀漀渀Ⰰ 伀䠀  㐀㌀㄀㐀㜀ഊ ਀䔀ⴀ䴀愀椀氀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀㨀ഊtjw at cblph.att.com ਀ഊBest of Luck ਀䈀攀挀欀甀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: david.razler at compudata.com (DAVID RAZLER) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Spectacles ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䨀甀氀 㤀㔀 　㄀㨀㔀㜀㨀　　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Compu-Data BBS -=- Turnersville, NJ -=- 609-232-1245 ਀ഊVG>I seem to remember seeing something on period ਀嘀䜀㸀猀甀渀最氀愀猀猀攀猀⸀⸀⸀愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀礀  猀栀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀Ⰰ 椀昀ഊVG>you can make stained-glass windows, you can make colored ਀嘀䜀㸀氀攀渀猀攀猀ⴀⴀ愀渀礀 挀漀氀漀爀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀嘀䜀㸀䔀氀氀猀戀攀琀栀 䰀愀挀栀氀愀渀椀渀愀 䴀愀挀䰀愀戀栀爀甀椀渀渀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 瀀栀漀琀漀瀀栀漀戀攀 栀攀爀攀 ⴀ 吀栀愀渀欀猀 戀甀琀 ⴀ 夀攀猀Ⰰ 搀愀爀欀ⴀ挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 愀渀搀 ഊactual "stained" glass* came before glasses, but did they ਀爀攀愀氀氀礀 攀砀椀猀琀㼀ഊ ਀⨀ഊ Authenticity note here: MOST colored glass bits held ਀琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 氀攀愀搀 挀愀洀攀 愀爀攀 一伀吀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 愀 ഊmisuse of the word run rampant in our lower-case s society. ਀ഊ Stained glass is clear or colored glass painted with a ਀猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 渀椀琀爀愀琀攀 搀椀猀猀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 瀀甀琀 ഊin a kiln - where the chemicals react and produce a ਀瀀攀爀洀愀渀攀渀琀 礀攀氀氀漀眀ⴀ琀漀ⴀ搀愀爀欀ⴀ戀爀漀眀渀 挀漀氀漀爀⸀ഊ ਀  吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀琀甀昀昀 椀猀 戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀Ⰰ 氀愀猀琀猀 昀漀爀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 椀昀 ഊtreated right, but is NOT stained! (it is dyed at the time ਀漀昀 洀愀渀甀昀愀挀琀甀爀攀⤀ 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀漀搀攀爀渀ⴀ搀愀礀 ഊstuff is painted, colored glass. Look for chipping of old ਀搀愀爀欀 瀀愀椀渀琀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 昀漀爀 猀甀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀                               䤀渀 吀爀椀瘀椀愀ഊ Aleksandr the Traveller ਀                         嬀搀愀瘀椀搀⸀爀愀稀氀攀爀 愀琀 挀漀洀瀀甀搀愀琀愀⸀挀漀洀崀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: alysk at ix.netcom.com(Elise Fleming ) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period Patterns for Stained glass ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㌀㨀　㘀㨀㄀㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀愀　㄀㌀㤀㔀㜀琀 愀琀 戀挀昀爀攀攀渀攀琀⸀猀攀昀氀椀渀⸀氀椀戀⸀昀氀⸀甀猀 ⠀䬀攀氀氀攀渀 䠀愀爀欀椀渀猀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀 ഊ>I'm looking for suggestions for locating patterns for stained glass. ਀ഊDover Books has (had?) a children's book entitled "Stained Glass" (I ਀琀栀椀渀欀℀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 瀀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀甀挀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 漀渀攀 椀猀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀搀 琀漀 挀漀氀漀爀ഊthem. Most of the pictures are religious but they are copies of actual ਀猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀礀猀 䬀愀琀栀愀爀椀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Pat McGregor ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period Patterns for Stained glass ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 　㈀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㄀㨀　㔀㨀㈀㌀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊOrganization: Intel IT Technical Publications ਀ഊGreetings from siobhan! ਀ഊLady Kellen Oddsdottir wrote: ਀㸀 ഊ> I'm looking for suggestions for locating patterns for stained glass. I'd ਀㸀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 渀漀琀 琀漀 搀漀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 戀甀琀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 爀漀猀攀 眀椀渀搀漀眀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊ> wonderful... Most of the research I've done is all 2nd and 3rd sources... ਀㸀 䄀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀㼀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀 氀愀猀琀 䤀 瘀椀猀椀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 夀漀爀欀 䴀椀渀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 爀攀猀琀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀ഊgoing on on one of the Seven Sisters. As a part of this, the glass ਀爀攀猀琀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 栀愀搀 愀 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀椀渀最ഊwere. Someone had apparently taken many close pictures and then ਀搀爀愀眀渀 搀攀琀愀椀氀攀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀猀欀攀搀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀渀甀愀氀猀 漀爀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 攀砀椀猀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀爀愀昀琀猀洀愀渀ഊwho was talking said that in some churches there were oiled paper ਀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 戀攀攀渀 甀猀攀搀 愀琀 漀渀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 洀漀猀琀ഊof the patterns disappeared in time. ਀ഊYou might check with York Minster; alternately, perhaps one or more ਀漀昀 漀甀爀 挀漀甀猀椀渀猀 椀渀 䐀爀愀挀栀攀渀眀愀氀搀 洀椀最栀琀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀 最甀椀氀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 洀椀最栀琀ഊhave more info. ਀ഊregards, ਀  猀椀漀戀栀愀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Joe Wolf <"JOE.B.WOLF" at conoco.dupont.com> ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: (Bone sewing kit, who can help?) How about glass? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㈀ 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㤀㨀㐀㔀㨀㄀　 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊOrganization: Conoco, Inc. - IT Sourcing/Purchasing ਀ഊSekhmet wrote: ਀㸀 䤀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 䤀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 洀礀 眀栀漀氀攀 琀愀欀攀ⴀ琀漀ⴀ攀瘀攀渀琀猀ⴀ猀攀眀椀渀最ⴀ欀椀琀 愀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ> as I can get it. I decided I needed a box made out of bone to keep my ਀㸀 渀攀攀搀氀攀猀 椀渀⸀ 䤀✀洀 猀琀椀氀氀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 戀漀渀攀眀漀爀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀漀琀栀ഊ> mundane and period, and I was wondering if anyone has come across what ਀㸀 愀渀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀攀眀椀渀最 欀椀琀 挀漀渀猀椀猀琀攀搀 漀昀㼀 䤀✀洀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 ㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊ> information about any time period is welcome. ਀ഊMy Lady (Her Ladyship Teleri ferch Pawl) here in Ansteorra is known for ਀栀攀爀 氀愀洀瀀眀漀爀欀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 戀攀愀搀猀 愀渀搀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 眀攀爀攀ഊformed by encasing a core with molten glass (not blowing!). She has ਀猀洀愀氀氀 最氀愀猀猀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀氀礀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 最攀渀琀氀攀猀 栀攀爀攀 甀猀攀ഊas needle cases! (Also as salt cellars, perfume/oil containers, etc) She ਀搀漀攀猀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 猀洀愀氀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀爀攀愀猀甀爀攀猀℀ഊ ਀⠀䤀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 渀漀琀攀㨀 猀栀攀 甀猀攀猀 嘀攀渀攀琀椀愀渀 最氀愀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀 昀愀挀琀漀爀礀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀ഊin constant production for the past 500 years! So in truth, her ਀洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 愀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀℀⤀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 漀戀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 猀洀愀氀氀Ⰰ 最氀愀猀猀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀ഊcontact Teleri at esmitman at ghg.net We have some pictures we could scan ਀愀渀搀 猀攀渀搀 瘀椀愀 攀ⴀ洀愀椀氀⸀ഊ ਀䰀漀爀搀 䴀愀渀昀爀攀搀 圀漀氀昀                       洀欀愀     䨀漀攀 圀漀氀昀ഊBarony of the StarGate, Ansteorra Houston, TX ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㈀㨀㐀㘀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Caitlin Cheannlaidir ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀✀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: RE: Glass beads ਀ഊTry: ਀吀栀攀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䈀攀愀搀猀㨀 䘀爀漀洀 ㌀　Ⰰ　　　 䈀䌀 琀漀 琀栀 攀 倀爀攀猀攀渀琀Ⰰ 䰀漀椀猀 匀栀攀爀爀 䐀甀爀戀椀渀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䜀氀愀猀猀 䈀攀愀搀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 倀爀攀栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀 愀渀搀 刀漀洀愀渀 倀攀爀椀漀搀猀 椀渀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀 愀渀搀 ഊIreland, Margaret Guido ਀ഊI've got others here on the shelf; what do you already have? ਀ഊThere's a new SCAdian glassworkers' list forming; if you'd like to pose ਀礀漀甀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀 戀礀 猀攀渀搀椀渀最 ∀猀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀∀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀搀礀 ഊof a message to compagnia-request at phosphor-ink.com. ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: johnrose at icubed.com (john rose) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀挀椀搀 攀琀挀栀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀攀爀栀椀攀渀欀漀 㰀琀椀最礀挀栀漀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Is the use of various acid based concoctions for the frosting and ਀㸀攀琀挀栀椀渀最 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀渀 愀渀礀 猀攀渀猀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊ ਀䄀挀椀搀 攀琀挀栀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀猀 猀漀洀攀 瘀愀爀椀愀渀琀 漀昀 栀礀搀爀漀昀氀漀甀爀椀挀 愀挀椀搀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 愀猀 戀攀猀琀 䤀 ഊrecall, is not period. Diamond engraving is. ਀ഊThere is another glass etching technique that uses hide glue to create ਀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀⸀ 夀漀甀 猀攀攀 椀琀 愀猀 昀攀愀琀栀攀爀礀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 漀渀 漀氀搀 漀昀昀椀挀攀 搀漀漀爀 瀀愀渀攀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ഊThe materials and methods are all compatible with the SCA period, but I have ਀渀漀琀 挀漀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 愀渀礀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 最氀甀攀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 椀猀 攀愀猀礀⸀ 夀漀甀 瀀愀椀渀琀 琀栀攀 最氀甀攀 漀渀Ⰰ 氀攀琀 椀琀 愀椀爀 搀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 戀愀欀攀 ഊthe glass to about 150F until the glue desicates. The glass then spalls off as ਀琀栀攀 最氀甀攀 瀀攀攀氀猀 愀眀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀礀戀漀搀礀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀椀猀 猀琀甀昀昀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀㼀ഊ ਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䨀漀栀渀 琀栀攀 䄀爀琀椀昀椀挀攀爀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Eric & Lissa McCollum ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Acid etched glass ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㤀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㈀㈀㨀㌀㘀㨀　㄀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀攀爀栀椀攀渀欀漀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Is the use of various acid based concoctions for the frosting and ਀㸀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀渀 愀渀礀 猀攀渀猀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊ ਀䤀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 礀攀愀爀猀 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 搀椀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀ഊso I can't lay my hands on my sources right now--but ਀渀漀Ⰰ 愀挀椀搀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ ⠀䤀✀搀 氀漀瘀攀ഊto be proved wrong though!) ਀ഊThat said...diamond engraving of glass *is*. One ਀猀漀甀爀挀攀 ⠀䜀氀愀猀猀 戀礀 䜀攀漀爀最攀 匀愀瘀愀最攀⤀ 猀琀愀琀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 搀椀愀洀漀渀搀ഊengraving of glass began in Venice around 1560, and ਀焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 愀搀瘀愀渀挀攀 挀漀椀渀挀椀搀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀ഊimprovement in the quality of glass produced. The ਀戀漀漀欀 栀愀猀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀搀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 愀ഊbeaker dated 1594 that pictures the Holy Roman Emporer ਀刀甀搀漀氀昀 䤀䤀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 攀氀攀挀琀漀爀猀ⴀⴀ眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀椀爀 愀爀洀猀⸀ 䤀 甀猀攀搀ഊit as documentation to engrave my arms on a drinking ਀最漀戀氀攀琀⸀ 䤀 瀀椀挀欀攀搀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 搀椀愀洀漀渀搀 猀琀礀氀甀猀 愀琀 洀礀 氀漀挀愀氀ഊcraft store. ਀ഊGwendolen Wold ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀䌀 㰀甀戀漀爀甀 愀琀 攀爀漀氀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀挀椀搀 攀琀挀栀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀ഊDate: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:00:57 -0400 ਀ഊWhat's being described is known as "glue chip glass" and should be ਀爀攀愀搀椀氀礀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀礀 搀攀愀氀攀爀 眀栀漀 挀愀爀爀椀攀猀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀⸀ഊThe way it was described to me is that the glue is dropped onto the ਀最氀愀猀猀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 椀渀 愀 猀攀洀椀 氀椀焀甀椀搀 昀漀爀洀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Carrie Schutrick ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Acid etched glass ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ  ㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㄀㨀㌀㠀㨀㔀㤀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Housing Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA ਀ഊ>The glue method is easy. You paint the glue on, let it air dry, and then bake ਀㸀琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 琀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㔀　䘀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 最氀甀攀 搀攀猀椀挀愀琀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 琀栀攀渀 猀瀀愀氀氀猀 漀昀昀 愀猀 ഊ>the glue peels away. ਀ഊ>Anybody seen this stuff around anywhere? ਀ഊ It's really easy to find in stores that provide stained glass supplies--ask ਀昀漀爀 ∀最氀甀攀挀栀椀瀀⸀∀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 最攀琀 椀琀 椀渀 愀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 漀昀 搀攀最爀攀攀猀 漀昀 ∀挀栀椀瀀瀀攀搀渀攀猀猀Ⰰ∀ഊand the places with better stock will sell twice- and thrice-chipped glass ਀愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 漀渀挀攀ⴀ挀栀椀瀀瀀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀  圀栀椀挀栀 戀爀椀渀最猀 甀瀀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀㨀 眀栀愀琀 挀漀氀漀爀猀 愀渀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 漀昀ഊstained glass are period? I assume that the fancy Tiffanies, with streamers ਀愀渀搀 猀漀 漀渀Ⰰ 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀爀攀 眀攀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 琀漀 猀漀氀椀搀 挀漀氀漀爀猀㼀  圀栀愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊpatterns for a piece? All my mother's pattern books are very heavily ਀嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀渀 愀渀搀 䄀爀琀 䐀攀挀漀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀ䨀攀愀渀渀攀琀琀攀 搀攀 䈀攀愀甀瘀椀漀爀ഊ ਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀䌀愀爀爀椀攀 匀挀栀甀琀爀椀挀欀ⴀⴀ挀愀漀猀 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀ⴀⴀ倀椀琀琀猀戀甀爀最栀 倀䄀ⴀⴀ䌀䴀唀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊ ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: johnrose at icubed.com (john rose) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀挀椀搀 攀琀挀栀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀ഊOrganization: extrude hone ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 　㈀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㐀㨀㌀㘀㨀㈀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䌀愀爀爀椀攀 匀挀栀甀琀爀椀挀欀 㰀挀愀漀猀⬀ 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>>The glue method is easy. You paint the glue on, let it air dry, and then bake ਀㸀㸀琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 琀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㔀　䘀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 最氀甀攀 搀攀猀椀挀愀琀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 琀栀攀渀 猀瀀愀氀氀猀ഊ>off as ਀㸀㸀琀栀攀 最氀甀攀 瀀攀攀氀猀 愀眀愀礀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀䄀渀礀戀漀搀礀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀椀猀 猀琀甀昀昀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀  䤀琀✀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 椀渀 猀琀漀爀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀ⴀⴀ愀猀欀ഊ>for "gluechip." You can get it in a variety of degrees of "chippedness," ਀㸀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 猀琀漀挀欀 眀椀氀氀 猀攀氀氀 琀眀椀挀攀ⴀ 愀渀搀 琀栀爀椀挀攀ⴀ挀栀椀瀀瀀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀ഊ>as well as once-chipped. ਀㸀ഊ> Which brings up an interesting question: what colors and patterns of ਀㸀猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 愀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀  䤀 愀猀猀甀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 昀愀渀挀礀 吀椀昀昀愀渀椀攀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 猀琀爀攀愀洀攀爀猀ഊ>and so on, are not period, but are we limited to solid colors? What about ਀㸀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 昀漀爀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀㼀  䄀氀氀 洀礀 洀漀琀栀攀爀✀猀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 栀攀愀瘀椀氀礀 ഊ>Victorian and Art Deco influenced. ਀㸀ഊ>--Jeannette de Beauvior ਀ഊThe glue method for decorating glass involves what is technicaly called ਀∀猀瀀愀氀氀椀渀最∀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 漀挀挀甀爀猀 眀栀攀渀 氀漀挀愀氀 猀琀爀攀猀猀攀猀 愀爀攀 猀攀琀 甀瀀洀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 瀀愀爀愀氀氀攀氀 琀漀 ഊthe surface of the material. It works best on brittle stuff, like glass, ਀挀攀爀愀洀椀挀猀Ⰰ 猀琀漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀爀搀 爀攀昀爀愀挀琀漀爀礀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 䈀漀戀 嘀椀氀氀愀 ഊhouse show that has a sequence where a mason torches granite slab to provide a ਀甀椀渀昀漀爀洀 琀爀攀愀搀 愀爀攀愀 昀漀爀 猀琀攀瀀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 最氀甀攀 搀漀攀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 ഊbother of a thermal lance. ਀ഊAs the applied hide glue contracts, it stresses the glass, which eventually ਀猀瀀愀氀氀猀 漀昀昀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 琀漀 最攀琀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 琀爀椀挀欀 ഊis to know that what to look for. I've seen "glue etch" and "glue chip". And ਀氀愀爀最攀爀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 猀琀漀爀攀猀 猀攀氀氀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀 栀椀搀攀 最氀甀攀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ഊchipped glass. You can add various salts to the glue, like Epsom, etc, to get ਀琀栀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 攀昀昀攀挀琀猀⸀ 䤀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 䠀攀渀氀攀礀✀猀 䠀漀洀攀 䘀漀爀洀甀氀愀爀礀 栀愀猀 愀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 ഊthe process. ਀ഊThe question remains: is this technique period? Possible, but I haven't come ਀愀挀爀漀猀猀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 漀爀 爀攀挀漀爀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 昀漀爀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䤀琀愀氀礀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 ഊsolid color and transparent, but.... ਀ഊYou have the usual basic colors: clear, straw, green, red, yellow, and blue. ਀吀栀攀 搀愀爀欀 猀琀愀椀渀猀 瘀愀爀礀 昀爀漀洀 戀氀愀挀欀 琀漀 戀爀漀眀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 愀爀攀 眀漀爀渀 漀爀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀攀搀⸀ ഊBut, in Italy, where I could get close to a lot of glass, I saw a number panes ਀琀栀愀琀 眀攀爀攀 洀甀氀琀椀挀漀氀漀爀攀搀Ⰰ 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 挀氀攀愀爀 眀椀琀栀 愀 琀椀渀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 氀椀猀琀⸀ 䴀礀 ഊguess is that the artist took clear glass, laid out the details in stain on ਀琀栀攀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 愀 渀漀渀ⴀ戀椀渀搀椀渀最 搀漀瀀愀渀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 戀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ഊwhole piece for a while. When washed, the dopant would leave behind a diffused ਀愀爀攀愀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 椀漀渀猀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀搀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 昀椀爀猀琀 猀愀眀 琀栀椀猀 ഊmethod, as I did not recall a mention of it in my limited readings on stained ਀最氀愀猀猀⸀ 䤀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀眀漀 昀椀爀椀渀最猀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 渀攀攀搀攀搀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 昀漀爀 挀漀氀漀爀 愀渀搀 漀渀攀 昀漀爀 ഊstain. An enamelling kiln should be sufficient. ਀ഊThis tech trail is interesting, as diffusion also shows up in case hardened ਀猀琀攀攀氀⸀ 吀漀搀愀礀 眀攀 洀愀欀攀 猀攀洀椀挀漀渀搀甀挀琀漀爀猀⸀ 䐀椀搀 䨀愀洀攀猀 䈀甀爀欀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 琀栀椀猀㼀ഊ ਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䨀漀栀渀 琀栀攀 䄀爀琀椀昀椀挀攀爀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: gyelle at aol.com (Gyelle) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Acid etched glass ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 　㈀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㈀㈀㨀　㌀㨀㈀　 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀攀爀栀椀攀渀欀漀 㰀琀椀最礀挀栀漀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>What a downer ;-) My drawing skills (and I assume diamond stylus ਀㸀攀琀挀栀椀渀最眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 琀栀愀渀 瀀攀渀挀椀氀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最⤀ 愀爀攀 猀愀搀氀礀 氀愀挀欀椀渀最Ⰰഊ>although I was hoping ਀㸀琀漀 猀栀漀攀栀漀爀渀 洀礀 愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 眀椀琀栀 愀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 椀渀琀漀 挀爀攀愀琀椀渀最 愀 琀攀洀瀀氀愀琀攀 琀漀 攀琀挀栀ഊ>with... ਀ഊDon't dispair about your lack of drawing ability. Print your design onto ਀瀀愀瀀攀爀⼀眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 琀愀瀀攀 椀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 猀椀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 ∀琀爀愀挀攀∀ 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊdiamond stylus just like you would with a pencil. You can also stipple the ਀氀椀渀攀 漀爀 洀愀欀攀 猀栀漀爀琀 猀琀爀漀欀攀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀⸀  刀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀ഊcan shade and texture with the density/closeness of lines and their direction. ਀倀氀愀礀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀℀ഊ ਀䜀礀攀氀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最 椀洀瀀愀椀爀攀搀 愀爀琀椀猀琀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:55:02 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀渀 䈀攀爀最攀爀 㰀搀戀攀爀最攀爀 愀琀 焀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀挀椀搀 攀琀挀栀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀攀爀栀椀攀渀欀漀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Is the use of various acid based concoctions for the frosting and ਀㸀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀渀 愀渀礀 猀攀渀猀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 吀椀最最礀Ⰰ 愀猀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀洀瀀爀攀栀攀渀猀椀瘀攀氀礀 瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 渀漀Ⰰ 愀挀椀搀 攀琀挀栀ഊwas not period (for glass). However, that's part of the whimsy of ਀䄀渀愀挀栀爀漀渀椀猀洀Ⰰ 椀猀渀✀琀 椀琀㼀ഊAnother great way to "cheat": Once you've made your pattern on the ਀挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀爀渀 愀 猀椀氀欀猀挀爀攀攀渀 椀洀愀最攀 愀渀搀 瀀爀椀渀琀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀 漀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀ഊusing the acid etch. A little technical skill to develop, but little ਀愀爀琀椀猀琀椀挀 猀欀椀氀氀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀 㨀⤀ ⸀ഊI personally don't like the acid etch much because it only leaves a ਀琀眀漀ⴀ搀椀洀攀渀猀椀漀渀愀氀 椀洀愀最攀⸀ 一漀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 搀愀礀 圀愀琀攀爀昀漀爀搀 䌀爀礀猀琀愀氀 椀猀 攀琀挀栀攀搀ഊby hand. If you want to save some time, develop some skill using a ਀䐀爀攀洀攀氀 漀爀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀漀氀 眀椀琀栀 愀 搀椀愀洀漀渀搀 瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 挀甀琀猀 搀攀攀瀀 愀渀搀 昀愀猀琀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: gyelle at aol.com (Gyelle) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Acid etched glass ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㐀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㌀㨀㐀　㨀㄀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 搀愀琀攀搀 㤀㠀ⴀ　㜀ⴀ㄀㐀 　㄀㨀　㜀㨀㔀㜀 䔀䐀吀Ⰰ 猀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 琀攀砀愀猀⸀渀攀琀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> Thank you for this hint. I have the same problem as David and probably ਀㸀  眀漀甀氀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 栀愀瘀攀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀栀椀猀⸀ 一漀眀 䤀 洀椀最栀琀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀 攀瘀攀渀 猀攀攀 栀漀眀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊ> use this on glass drinking vessels. ਀㸀  ഊ> Is there something I should look for in selecting the glass to use for ਀㸀  琀栀椀猀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 愀渀礀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀栀漀漀猀椀渀最 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 眀漀爀欀⸀  开䄀 匀栀漀爀琀ഊHistory of Glass_ by Chloe Zerwick published by Harry Abrams, Inc. in ਀愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 吀栀攀 䌀漀爀渀椀渀最 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䜀氀愀猀猀 栀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 最爀攀愀琀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀⸀  伀渀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊI have thought about doing is a beaker c. 1530 that is diamond scribed with the ਀猀椀最渀愀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 愀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 䜀甀椀氀搀⸀ഊ ਀倀攀爀椀漀搀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 猀漀 洀甀挀栀 氀攀猀猀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 琀栀愀渀 洀漀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀栀椀渀欀⸀  唀猀甀愀氀氀礀 愀琀 昀攀愀猀琀猀ഊyou see very plain, clunky glassware, in most of period glass was anything but ਀瀀氀愀椀渀⸀ ㄀㤀㘀　✀猀 最氀愀猀猀 ⠀戀爀椀最栀琀 挀氀愀猀栀椀渀最 猀琀爀攀愀欀猀 愀渀搀 猀瀀漀琀猀Ⰰ 洀椀氀氀椀昀氀漀爀椀 搀愀椀猀椀攀猀Ⰰഊetc) is straight out of 1st C Rome- gawdawful ugly! The bottles that have ਀洀漀氀搀攀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 爀椀最栀琀 渀漀眀 眀攀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 愀 栀椀琀 椀渀 刀漀洀攀⸀  ഊ ਀䤀渀 一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 昀氀漀甀爀椀猀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀攀猀琀 最氀愀猀猀栀漀甀猀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 挀氀攀愀爀椀渀最 漀昀ഊthe forest for fuel greatly impacted the region around them as it cleared land ਀琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀渀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 挀爀漀瀀猀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 最氀愀猀猀 洀愀欀攀爀猀 甀猀攀搀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀ഊingredients than the southern ones and produced a distinctive type of glass ਀眀椀琀栀 愀 最氀漀猀猀礀Ⰰ 猀漀昀琀 最爀攀攀渀 栀甀攀⸀ഊ ਀䜀礀攀氀氀攀 匀瀀攀渀挀攀ഊAn Tir ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㘀㨀　㠀㨀㄀㄀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Caitlin Cheannlaidir ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: RE: Glass working and wax tablets ਀ഊ>How may I make glass beads, and simple gaming pieces (just drops of ਀㸀洀攀氀琀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀⤀㼀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀攀氀氀 氀愀洀瀀眀漀爀欀椀渀最 欀椀琀猀 ⠀愀氀氀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀猀ഊincluded) by mailorder. They will ship outside the US. ਀ഊAs the simplest answer to your simplest question, you can use a propane or ਀䴀䄀倀倀 最愀猀 琀漀爀挀栀 ⠀愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 栀愀爀搀眀愀爀攀 猀琀漀爀攀 愀猀 愀 瀀氀甀洀戀攀爀猀 琀漀爀挀栀⤀ 琀漀ഊmelt pieces of broken bottle. If it "drips" onto a smooth surface (think a ਀戀愀欀椀渀最 猀栀攀攀琀⤀ 礀漀甀✀氀氀 最攀琀 礀漀甀爀 昀氀愀琀ⴀ戀漀琀琀漀洀攀搀 搀爀漀瀀氀攀琀猀⸀  夀漀甀✀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀ഊinsulate them as they cool so they won't cool unevenly and crack. If you ਀眀愀渀琀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 猀攀攀 洀礀 氀椀渀欀猀 戀攀氀漀眀Ⰰ 漀爀 樀漀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 最氀愀猀猀眀漀爀欀攀爀猀✀ഊemail list. ਀ഊ--Caitlin Cheannlaidir ਀  挀愀椀琀氀椀渀 愀琀 瀀栀漀猀瀀栀漀爀ⴀ椀渀欀⸀挀漀洀ഊ http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/7249 ਀ഊ Interested in making glass beads? ਀        吀漀 樀漀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ⴀ䜀氀愀猀猀眀漀爀欀攀爀✀猀 䰀椀猀琀Ⰰ 猀攀渀搀 ∀猀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀∀ 愀猀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀 漀昀 愀ഊ message to ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㤀㨀㔀　㨀㔀㤀 ⬀㄀　　　ഊFrom: Kiriel & Chris ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 昀攀愀猀琀眀愀爀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 ⴀ 最氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀匀漀洀攀漀渀攀 愀猀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 最氀愀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 䤀 挀愀渀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 眀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䜀氀愀渀挀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 漀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 ⠀最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 琀栀椀渀最猀⤀ഊI find.. a glorious piece from the 3rd to 4th century ad, they think ਀洀愀搀攀 昀漀爀 愀 最爀攀攀欀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 椀渀 爀栀椀渀攀氀愀渀搀⸀  䴀甀氀琀椀挀漀氀漀甀爀攀搀 愀渀搀 最氀漀爀椀漀甀猀氀礀ഊdelicate. It constantly amazes me the skill and delicacy of period ਀挀爀愀昀琀猀洀攀渀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 椀渀昀漀 漀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 最爀攀攀欀Ⰰ 攀最礀瀀琀椀愀渀Ⰰ 猀礀爀椀愀渀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀猀椀愀渀Ⰰ 挀栀椀渀攀猀攀Ⰰ 爀漀洀愀渀ⰀഊSidonian, alexandrian, byzantine italian, german, frankish, teutonic. ਀䜀氀愀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 最愀甀氀Ⰰ 䌀漀氀漀最渀攀Ⰰ 猀瀀愀椀渀Ⰰ 戀爀椀琀愀椀渀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:15:49 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀攀氀攀渀 㰀栀椀洀 愀琀 最琀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Right link for glassware ਀ഊSorry, wrong link before, this is the right one for history of glass. ਀ഊhttp://www.muranoglass.com/history1.html ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㜀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㤀㨀㄀㔀㨀㌀㔀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: Helen ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䜀氀愀猀猀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 氀椀渀欀猀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀渀琀椀挀愀洀甀爀爀椀渀愀瘀攀渀攀稀椀愀渀愀⸀挀漀洀⼀栀椀猀琀漀爀礀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.pennynet.org/glmuseum/Glass/dragon.htm ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀瀀攀渀渀礀渀攀琀⸀漀爀最⼀最氀洀甀猀攀甀洀⼀䜀氀愀猀猀⼀挀洀最攀眀攀爀⸀栀琀洀ഊhttp://www.pennynet.org/glmuseum/Education/edlux.htm ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀瀀攀渀渀礀渀攀琀⸀漀爀最⼀最氀洀甀猀攀甀洀⼀䔀搀甀挀愀琀椀漀渀⼀攀搀最氀洀愀欀⸀栀琀洀ഊhttp://www.pennynet.org/glmuseum/Education/slab.htm ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㘀㨀　㄀㨀㈀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: rmhowe ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Celtic Art Site ਀ഊCeltic Class site, not entirely complete, but - ਀ഊhttp://www.unc.edu/courses/art111/celtic/ ਀唀猀攀 ✀愀爀琀㄀㄀㄀✀ 愀渀搀 ✀挀攀氀琀猀✀ 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀猀眀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 氀漀最椀渀ഊ ਀䴀愀最渀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:47:52 +1100 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䬀椀爀椀攀氀 ☀ 䌀栀爀椀猀 㰀欀椀爀椀攀氀 愀琀 挀礀戀攀爀最愀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - feastware question - glass ਀ഊI have found the most WONDERFUL site on ਀琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 戀甀礀 眀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀 氀椀欀攀 琀爀甀氀礀 猀甀瀀攀爀戀 爀攀瀀氀椀挀愀猀 漀昀ഊperiod glassware. My jaw dropped when I saw some of this glassware, it ਀眀愀猀 猀漀 椀搀攀渀琀椀挀愀氀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 椀渀 洀礀 戀漀漀欀猀⸀  䌀栀攀挀欀 椀琀 漀甀琀℀㨀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀渀漀爀琀栀攀爀渀攀爀⸀挀漀洀⼀猀挀愀渀最氀愀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀䤀昀 䤀 最攀琀 愀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 挀愀爀搀Ⰰ 戀漀礀 漀栀 戀漀礀 眀椀氀氀 椀琀 琀愀欀攀 愀 戀攀愀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀ഊsite! ਀ഊAlso of interest to the glassier types is this site on the web, it ਀挀漀渀琀愀椀渀猀 愀 戀爀椀攀昀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 最氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀琀攀挀栀⸀渀攀琀⼀縀爀攀最椀愀⼀最氀愀猀猀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀愀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 猀椀琀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 琀栀攀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 漀昀 愀 戀礀稀愀渀琀椀渀攀 猀栀椀瀀眀爀攀挀欀 攀砀挀愀瘀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰഊwhich has some interesting things, including a heap of lamps which look ਀爀攀洀愀爀欀愀戀氀礀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀愀戀氀攀 爀椀最栀琀 渀漀眀 愀猀 挀愀渀搀氀攀ഊholders. ਀ഊhttp://nautarch.tamu.edu/INA/sl-glass.htm ਀ഊKiriel ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㐀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㐀㨀㐀㔀㨀㄀㌀ ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䔀匀吀⤀ഊFrom: "Charles J. Cohen" ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Stain Glass Windows ਀ഊSomething that might be of interest. ਀ഊMany people believe that glass flows like a liquid, although it flows ਀瘀攀爀礀 猀氀漀眀氀礀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 挀愀渀✀琀 戀攀 猀攀攀渀⸀  吀栀攀 ∀瀀爀漀漀昀∀ 漀昀琀攀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊof windows in old cathedrals where the stain glass is thicker at the ਀戀漀琀琀漀洀 琀栀愀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀⸀  吀栀椀猀 椀搀攀愀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 愀 栀椀最栀氀礀 瘀椀猀挀漀甀猀ഊliquid at room temperatures, has even been quoted in text books. ਀ഊUnfortunately, this is wrong. Edgar Dutra Zanotto, a professor ਀洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 攀渀最椀渀攀攀爀椀渀最 愀琀 琀栀攀 䘀攀搀攀爀愀氀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 匀愀漀 䌀愀爀氀漀猀 椀渀ഊBrazil researched this topic. He examined the chemical compositions ਀漀昀 漀瘀攀爀 ㌀㔀　 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 挀愀琀栀攀搀爀愀氀猀Ⰰ 挀愀氀挀甀氀愀琀攀搀ഊtheir viscosity, and then determined their flow rates by extrapolating ਀琀栀攀 瘀椀猀挀漀猀椀琀礀 挀甀爀瘀攀猀 漀昀 栀漀琀 最氀愀猀猀 琀漀 氀漀眀攀爀 琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 娀愀渀漀琀琀漀✀猀 挀愀氀挀甀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 猀琀愀椀渀 最氀愀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀ഊcathedrals would have to be heated to 414 degrees Celsius to observe ਀愀渀礀 猀椀最渀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀 洀漀瘀攀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 漀昀 㠀　　 礀攀愀爀猀⸀  䄀琀 渀漀爀洀愀氀 爀漀漀洀ഊtemperatures, you would have to wait about ਀㄀　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　Ⰰ　　　 礀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀攀ഊany flow. This is far far longer than the age of the universe! ਀ഊThe question remains: why are cathedral windows thicker at the ਀戀漀琀琀漀洀㼀  䤀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 最氀愀猀猀 洀愀渀甀昀愀挀琀甀爀椀渀最 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 漀昀琀攀渀ഊproduced ripples and thick edges. The thicker edges may have been ਀瀀氀愀挀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 昀漀爀 攀砀琀爀愀 猀琀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀⸀  䈀甀琀Ⰰ 愀猀 䜀攀漀爀最攀 伀爀漀眀愀渀Ⰰ 愀ഊprofessor at MIT states, "The myth is half true...Half of the glasses ਀愀爀攀 琀栀椀挀欀攀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀氀昀 愀爀攀 琀栀椀挀欀攀爀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀⸀∀ഊ ਀嬀猀漀甀爀挀攀㨀  倀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 猀挀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 匀攀瀀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀Ⰰ 瀀㈀㠀崀ഊ ਀ⴀ 䴀椀搀愀椀爀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:27:19 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀吀攀爀椀 䌀⸀ 䬀攀渀渀攀搀礀∀ 㰀愀焀甀愀爀椀愀渀 愀琀 椀渀昀漀洀愀最椀挀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 戀攀愀搀 洀愀欀椀渀最ഊ ਀㸀䰀愀搀礀 䴀漀爀最愀渀 琀栀攀 䌀攀氀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 愀爀琀猀 愀渀搀 猀挀椀攀渀挀攀猀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䔀爀攀搀 匀甀氀ഊ>in Atenveldt, does this kind of work. Her e-mail address is ਀㸀愀焀甀愀爀椀愀渀 愀琀 椀渀昀漀洀愀最椀挀⸀挀漀洀⸀ഊ ਀㸀㸀 伀爀 椀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀⠀猀⤀ 愀渀礀漀渀攀 挀愀渀ഊ>> recommend whom I can contact? I would like to know about start up tools, ਀㸀㸀 爀攀氀椀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀椀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀氀礀 爀攀ⴀ挀爀攀愀琀椀渀最 愀 戀攀愀搀 昀漀爀最攀⸀ഊ ਀伀琀栀攀爀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 愀渀猀眀攀爀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 洀椀猀猀椀瘀攀 椀渀 瀀愀爀琀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 最漀漀搀 挀愀琀愀氀漀最ഊcontact for tools, glass, etc. is: ਀ഊWale Apparatus: 1-800-444-WALE ਀ഊMorgan ਀开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开开ഊLady Morgan the Celt (O'Cenneidi), Crafthold de Artemis, MoA&S, CFS, CMS ਀⠀吀攀爀椀 䬀攀渀渀攀搀礀Ⰰ 䈀䘀䄀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:48:57 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀愀琀栀椀攀∀ 㰀䨀漀爀甀渀渀 愀琀 焀愀搀愀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 戀攀愀搀猀ⴀ猀漀昀琀 最氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀㸀夀漀甀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 最氀愀猀猀 眀愀猀 猀漀昀琀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 洀攀氀琀 漀瘀攀爀 愀渀 漀椀氀 氀愀洀瀀 Ⰰ 挀愀渀 礀漀甀ഊ>still get this type ? ਀㸀ഊ>Mel ਀ഊI have a friend who makes glass and has a recipe for soft glass as they made ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀猀⸀  䄀猀 愀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 眀攀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 昀甀爀渀愀挀攀ഊtomorrow to do a batch and I'm going to help him pull the rods. I'm going ਀琀漀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀猀攀 爀漀搀猀 愀琀 愀 最甀椀氀搀 洀攀攀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 戀甀爀渀 琀栀攀洀 漀瘀攀爀 愀渀 漀椀氀 氀愀洀瀀ഊto recreate the effort. ਀ഊ As far as the recipe goes, I'll ask him for more detailed information. We ਀愀爀攀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 琀漀 爀攀挀爀攀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀⸀  䤀渀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 洀礀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊglass was made and rods pulled at one location, then sold to the lampworker ਀眀栀漀 琀漀漀欀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 氀漀挀愀琀椀漀渀 ⠀椀渀 洀漀猀琀 挀愀猀攀猀⤀ 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 戀攀愀搀猀Ⰰ 最愀洀攀ഊpieces, etc. I am forever looking for information. ਀ഊ jorunn ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㐀㨀㄀㘀㨀㈀㐀 䔀匀吀ഊFrom: ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Glass and Molds ਀ഊWell I recently saw the glass blowers at work in Jamestown, Va and they were ਀甀猀椀渀最 愀 ㈀ 瀀椀攀挀攀 洀漀氀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀椀爀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀 洀漀渀攀礀 洀愀欀椀渀最 ⠀一漀琀⤀ 椀渀搀甀猀琀爀礀ഊfor them. Since they were trained artisans/ Craftsmen it came from europe ਀愀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀愀最 攀渀搀 漀昀 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䄀 瀀氀愀挀攀 琀漀 猀琀愀爀琀 愀渀礀眀愀礀ഊ ਀䰀愀搀礀 䜀攀瘀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 05:41:05 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀 圀椀氀猀漀渀 㰀䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀圀椀氀猀漀渀 愀琀 挀漀洀瀀甀猀攀爀瘀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: LIST SCA arts ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀漀洀攀 䜀氀愀猀猀 爀攀昀猀ഊ ਀吀礀猀漀渀   刀愀挀栀攀氀 䌀愀爀漀氀椀渀攀ഊMedieval glass vessels in England AD 1200-1500 a survey ਀唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䐀甀爀栀愀洀   ㄀㤀㤀㘀ഊ ਀䔀愀爀氀礀 最氀愀猀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 眀漀爀氀搀   ㄀㘀　　 䈀⸀䌀⸀ⴀ 䄀⸀ 䐀⸀ 㔀　   䔀⸀ 䴀愀爀椀愀渀渀攀 匀琀攀爀渀ⰀഊBirgit Schlick-Nolte. c1994 ਀ഊRoman glass in Britain Denise Allen. 1998 ਀ഊFive thousand years of glass edited by Hugh Tait. c1991 ਀ഊGlass beads cultural history, technology, experiment and analogy. 1995 ਀ഊDictionary of glass materials and techniques Charles Bray. 1995 ਀ഊThe westerly trade of southeast Asia from c. 440 BC to c. 500 AD with ਀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 最氀愀猀猀 戀攀愀搀猀⸀ ㄀㤀㤀㄀ഊ ਀䴀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:05:08 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀 圀椀氀猀漀渀 㰀䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀圀椀氀猀漀渀 愀琀 挀漀洀瀀甀猀攀爀瘀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: LIST Glass Beads ਀䌀挀㨀 䰀䤀匀吀 匀䌀䄀 愀爀琀猀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: UK Glass rod supplier ਀ഊFor anyone else out there in the UK I have finally found a supplier for ਀䔀䘀䘀䔀吀刀䔀  最氀愀猀猀 爀漀搀猀㨀ഊ ਀匀挀栀漀琀琀 䜀氀愀猀猀 　㄀㜀㠀㔀 ㈀㈀㌀㄀㘀㘀 猀瀀攀愀欀 琀漀 䬀愀爀攀渀 䈀爀漀洀氀攀礀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 猀漀氀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 欀椀氀漀 猀漀ഊif anyone is just starting and wants to share a load contact me. ਀ഊMel ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㐀 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㐀㨀　㄀㨀　㌀ ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: RE: StainGlass-Celtic Knots ਀ഊ>My wife would be interested in the comercial designs you have found. I ਀㸀眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 愀渀礀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀  礀漀甀 昀椀渀搀⸀ 䤀 昀攀愀爀 琀栀愀琀ഊ>the Roundheads particularly targeted both stained glass and Irish knotwork ਀㸀⠀愀氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 䤀爀椀猀栀 挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 昀椀渀搀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀爀最礀 漀昀ഊ>16th century Puritian destruction has deprived us of a lot of our ਀㸀栀攀爀愀琀愀最攀⸀ഊ>Charles O'Connor ਀㸀樀瀀栀甀最栀攀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊ ਀䤀 欀渀攀眀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀猀欀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 眀攀渀琀 漀甀琀 琀漀 洀礀 挀愀爀 愀琀 氀甀渀挀栀 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀ഊpacket. Its labeled 'Full Size Stain Glass Patterns, Celtic Creations', ਀挀漀渀琀愀椀渀猀 ㄀㈀ 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀氀礀 欀渀漀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀爀攀攀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀⸀  䈀礀 匀甀渀氀椀最栀琀 匀琀甀搀椀漀Ⰰ 㔀㈀ഊYardley Place, London, Ontario, Canada. Phone (519) 657-2409, fax ਀⠀㔀㄀㤀⤀㘀㔀㜀ⴀ㠀㜀　㐀  䤀匀䈀一 ⌀ 　ⴀ㤀㘀㠀　㘀㌀㔀ⴀ㐀ⴀ㌀  ⠀渀漀琀 愀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀⤀Ⰰഊ1998. You probably have to buy from a retailer, not direct from company. ਀ഊI had a hard time getting it, my local Stain Glass store in Houston, TX ਀⠀✀倀爀椀猀洀猀✀ ⴀ ㈀㠀㄀ⴀ㔀㌀㄀ⴀ㠀㔀㔀㄀Ⰰ 䈀漀戀 圀攀戀戀⤀Ⰰ 栀愀搀 琀漀 挀漀渀瘀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀琀爀椀戀甀琀漀爀 琀栀愀琀ഊcustomers would want to buy this packet, not just Victoriana patterns. It ਀爀愀渀 ␀㄀㐀⸀㤀㔀 爀攀琀愀椀氀⸀    䜀漀漀搀 氀甀挀欀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:26:50 -0800 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀礀 䠀愀猀攀氀戀愀甀攀爀 㰀猀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 猀琀氀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 挀攀氀琀椀挀 欀渀漀琀眀漀爀欀ഊ ਀㸀刀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 匀琀愀椀渀䜀氀愀猀猀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 挀愀洀攀 漀甀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 䌀攀氀琀椀挀ഊ>Knotwork selection, which I snapped up. I am intending to make some ਀㸀眀椀渀搀漀眀猀 昀漀爀 瀀爀椀稀攀猀⸀  䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 眀栀攀爀攀ഊ>knotwork was used in StainGlass windows. Try as I may, I have not found ਀㸀愀渀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀漀甀琀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 ⠀愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀ഊ>extensive book collection). Most of the designs are Romanesque or Gothic. ਀㸀䄀渀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀椀琀栀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 椀渀昀漀⸀   䴀愀渀礀 琀栀愀渀欀猀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 栀攀氀瀀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䈀愀爀漀渀攀猀猀 䠀椀氀氀愀爀礀 刀漀猀攀 䜀爀攀攀渀猀氀愀搀攀         䌀愀渀琀漀渀 漀昀 圀攀猀琀最愀琀攀⼀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀ഊ>Stargate/Ansteorra ਀ഊIn general the people who used Celtic knotwork used it on portable things such ਀愀猀 樀攀眀攀氀爀礀 愀渀搀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀猀⸀  吀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀瘀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 眀栀礀 琀栀愀琀ഊera is called the migration period. (Stone crosses would be an exception.) The ਀挀栀甀爀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 洀甀挀栀 椀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 漀昀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀⸀  䜀漀琀栀椀挀ഊchurches churches came out of a different tradition, not knotwork. However, ਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 猀琀甀挀欀 椀渀 洀礀 洀椀渀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 眀椀渀搀漀眀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀 欀渀漀琀眀漀爀欀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 漀渀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 洀礀 漀渀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀ഊmonochromatic window with an interlace pattern. It's at a Cistercian monastery ਀眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 爀甀氀攀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 琀栀攀 洀甀氀琀椀挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 昀椀最甀爀愀氀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀爀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 ഊelsewhere. I suppose they chose this design because it was decorative (but not ਀琀漀漀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀椀瘀攀⤀ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 挀漀渀渀攀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 䌀攀氀琀椀挀 氀愀渀搀猀 漀爀ഊlearning. ਀ഊThe book is Medieval Stained Glass by Heribert Hutter, translated by Margaret ਀匀栀攀渀昀椀攀氀搀⸀ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀㨀 䌀爀漀眀渀 倀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀爀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㘀㌀⸀ 瀀氀愀琀攀 ㄀㄀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀栀漀 最漀攀猀 戀愀氀氀椀猀琀椀挀 眀栀攀渀 欀渀漀琀眀漀爀欀⼀椀渀琀攀爀氀愀挀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀ഊshow up in later period pieces. 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Softbound, 8-1/4x9, 60pp., 24 color plates, glossary, bib. ਀䌀漀爀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 一⸀夀⸀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㠀㠀⸀ 匀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 瀀爀椀挀攀搀 愀琀 㤀㄀㤀　 唀匀䐀㐀⸀㤀㔀ഊ ਀嘀椀攀眀 琀栀攀 䠀愀挀欀攀爀 䄀爀琀 䈀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀ 䠀漀洀攀 倀愀最攀 愀琀 眀眀眀⸀戀椀戀氀椀漀昀椀渀搀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:13:25 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 爀洀栀漀眀攀 㰀洀愀最渀甀猀洀 愀琀 渀挀猀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀漀洀攀 䜀氀愀猀猀 刀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀ഊ ਀匀椀渀挀攀 䤀 眀愀猀 搀漀椀渀最 琀栀攀猀攀 氀椀渀欀猀 昀漀爀 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 眀栀礀 渀漀琀 猀栀愀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䜀氀愀猀猀眀漀爀欀 愀渀搀 䈀攀愀搀椀渀最ഊhttp://www.inspirationfarm.com/gg/articles/supplies.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀氀愀爀欀戀漀漀欀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀栀漀洀攀⸀渀愀瘀⼀氀戀⼀猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀开戀攀愀搀椀渀最⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.beads2u.com/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀猀最猀ⴀ最氀愀猀猀⸀漀爀最⼀ഊhttp://www.regia.org/glass.htm ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀洀攀洀戀攀爀猀⸀愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀⼀愀渀渀椀攀戀攀攀㈀⼀氀椀渀欀猀⸀栀琀洀ഊhttp://www.el-dorado.ca.us/~flameon/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀椀渀渀攀爀挀椀琀攀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀昀氀愀洀攀漀渀⼀眀攀氀挀漀洀攀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.innercite.com/~flameon/catalog/catalog.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀洀椀挀欀攀氀猀攀渀猀琀甀搀椀漀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀猀⸀栀琀洀ഊhttp://www.auralens.com/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀攀氀愀椀渀攀⸀琀攀氀攀瀀漀爀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀瀀愀甀氀攀挀⼀戀攀愀搀戀漀漀欀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.teleport.com/~paulec/beadbooks.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀琀攀氀攀瀀漀爀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀瀀愀甀氀攀挀⼀戀攀愀搀挀愀琀愀氀漀最猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.mcs.net/~simone/beadfairies.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀洀挀猀⸀渀攀琀⼀縀猀椀洀漀渀攀⼀戀爀攀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.mcs.net/~simone/beadnet.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀琀栀攀戀攀愀搀猀椀琀攀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊhttp://beadwork.miningco.com/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀椀渀猀瀀椀爀愀琀椀漀渀昀愀爀洀⸀挀漀洀⼀最最⼀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀猀⼀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀㄀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.inspirationfarm.com/gg/articles/articles.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀最攀漀挀椀琀椀攀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀匀漀䠀漀⼀䜀愀氀氀攀爀礀⼀㜀㈀㐀㤀⼀戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.caravanbeads.com/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀栀椀栀甀氀礀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊhttp://www.coppercoyote.com/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀搀椀挀栀爀漀洀愀最椀挀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊhttp://www.craftweb.com/org/enamel/enamel.htm ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀攀甀爀漀琀漀漀氀⸀挀漀洀⼀戀攀愀搀渀攀琀⸀栀琀洀ഊhttp://www.teleport.com/~paulec/beadshops.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀椀爀攀洀琀渀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊhttp://www.ghgcorp.com/esmitman/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀漀氀礀眀愀⸀渀攀琀⼀昀爀愀渀琀稀戀攀愀搀⼀ഊhttp://www.olywa.com/frantzbead/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀㄀猀攀爀瘀攀爀⸀挀漀洀⼀戀攀愀搀氀甀瘀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://cgi.exo.com/~jht/forum/index.cgi?noframes ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀琀攀氀攀瀀漀爀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀瀀愀甀氀攀挀⼀最氀愀猀猀戀攀愀搀洀愀欀椀渀最䘀䄀儀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.hotglass.com/adindx.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀栀漀琀最氀愀猀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://exo.com/~jht/hotglass/access/vol9/v9n3.html#2a ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀椀渀猀瀀椀爀愀琀椀漀渀昀愀爀洀⸀挀漀洀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.sound-check.com/beads/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀栀愀挀欀攀爀最氀愀猀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊhttp://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/7249/glinks.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀欀爀漀洀愀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊhttp://www.dnaco.net/~scababe/medievalbead/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀戀攀愀搀眀漀爀欀⸀愀戀漀甀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀氀椀戀爀愀爀礀⼀眀攀攀欀氀礀⼀愀愀　㔀　㐀㤀㤀⸀栀琀洀㼀倀䴀㴀㘀㤀开㘀开吀☀挀漀戀㴀栀漀洀攀ഊhttp://www.inspirationfarm.com/gg/articles/safety.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀漀洀洀渀攀琀⸀攀搀甀⼀儀嘀䌀吀䌀⼀猀琀甀搀攀渀琀⼀挀爀漀眀攀⼀氀椀渀最漀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.hotglass.com/hacker/hacker.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀瀀猀爀挀⸀甀猀洀⸀攀搀甀⼀洀愀挀爀漀最⼀ഊhttp://www.meredithglass.com/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀漀甀爀眀漀爀氀搀⸀挀漀洀瀀甀猀攀爀瘀攀⸀挀漀洀⼀栀漀洀攀瀀愀最攀猀⼀䴀椀欀攀䘀椀爀琀栀⼀ഊhttp://www.gpnet.it/marketti/ermor/home.htm ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀琀攀氀攀瀀漀爀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀瀀愀甀氀攀挀⼀爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.sgb.org/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀猀椀甀⸀攀搀甀⼀縀猀椀甀最氀愀猀猀⼀ഊhttp://www.steinertindustries.com/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀爀琀最氀愀猀猀㄀⸀挀漀洀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀ഊhttp://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica/beadwork/ ਀ഊM. Magnus Malleus, OL, Atlantia, GDH ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㈀㌀㨀　㌀㨀㐀㐀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Disguising jar lids ਀ഊnn3_shay at yahoo.com writes: ਀㰀㰀䤀 樀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 最氀愀猀猀 眀愀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 洀甀挀栀 愀 氀甀砀甀爀礀 椀琀攀洀⸀ 㸀㸀ഊ ਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 最甀椀搀攀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 䌀氀漀椀猀琀攀爀猀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 椀渀愀挀挀甀爀愀琀攀⸀ 䜀氀愀猀猀 搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰഊcups, goblets were commonly used and when they broke they were collected and ਀爀攀洀攀氀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 甀猀攀搀⸀ 䘀愀渀挀礀 漀爀渀愀琀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀 猀愀氀琀 挀攀氀氀愀爀猀 漀昀 猀瀀甀渀 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀Ⰰഊwere rare and costly. However, common glass objects were relatively cheap and ਀挀漀洀洀漀渀氀礀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀刀愀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: 2 Jul 99 10:01:27 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀漀渀渀愀 䌀∀ 㰀搀挀搀攀猀椀最渀 愀琀 猀栀椀攀氀搀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 最氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 最氀愀猀猀ⴀ洀愀欀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 洀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 ⠀氀椀猀琀攀搀 戀攀氀漀眀⤀㬀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 挀爀甀搀攀 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀ഊevery day rather than display was made in England from the 13th ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀㬀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䘀爀愀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䰀漀眀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 ⠀䰀椀攀最攀 愀渀搀 䈀爀甀猀猀攀氀猀⤀ഊfrom the 9th century. Most of their glass was impure and therefore had ਀愀 猀氀椀最栀琀 最爀攀攀渀 漀爀 戀氀甀攀 琀椀渀最攀 琀漀 椀琀⸀ 嘀攀爀礀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀攀愀瀀ഊhand-blown glass we get from Mexico. ਀ഊVenetian glass was considered the finest in the world throughout most ਀漀昀 漀甀爀 琀椀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 挀漀猀琀氀礀 琀漀 漀眀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 嘀攀渀攀琀椀愀渀ഊglass-making guild was formed in the early 1200's. Which means that ਀琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 最氀愀猀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 樀甀猀琀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 礀攀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀洀 愀猀猀甀洀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 最氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀ഊany of the Middle Eastern, Byzantine, or Roman stuff. ਀ഊBooks: ਀ഊA short History of Glass ਀䈀礀 䌀氀漀攀 娀攀爀眀椀挀欀ഊISBN 0-8109-3801-4 ਀ഊGlass from Antiquity to the Renaissance ਀䈀礀 䜀椀漀瘀愀渀渀椀 䴀愀爀椀愀挀栀攀爀ഊISBN 600338083 ਀ഊThe History of Glass ਀䈀礀 䐀愀渀 䬀氀攀椀渀 愀渀搀 圀愀爀搀 䰀氀漀礀搀ഊISBN 0-517-68910 3 ਀ഊGlass ਀䈀礀 倀愀甀氀 嘀椀挀欀攀爀猀 䜀愀爀搀渀攀爀ഊLOC 78-62735 ਀⠀吀栀椀猀 漀渀攀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀 䤀匀䈀一⤀ഊ ਀䠀漀瀀攀 琀栀椀猀 栀攀氀瀀猀ⰀഊGalla Cunningham ਀ഊ--------------------------------------------------------- ਀䐀漀渀渀愀 䌀甀渀渀椀渀最栀愀洀ഊDCdesigns & Illustrations ਀㔀㄀㈀⼀㈀㔀㤀ⴀ㤀㘀㠀㈀ഊdcdesign at shield.com ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ ਀ഊDate: 2 Jul 99 11:45:50 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀漀渀渀愀 䌀∀ 㰀搀挀搀攀猀椀最渀 愀琀 猀栀椀攀氀搀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀猀 栀愀搀 最氀愀猀猀 昀漀爀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 椀渀 愀氀氀 猀栀愀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 猀椀稀攀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀氀漀爀猀⸀ഊLots of cameo-style pieces with layers of glass which were carved to ਀猀栀漀眀 琀栀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 挀漀氀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䈀礀稀愀渀琀椀渀攀 猀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 攀砀琀愀渀琀 愀爀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀甀瀀猀 ⠀愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀椀稀攀ഊof a small tumbler) in a variety of colors with enamelling on them. ਀唀猀甀愀氀氀礀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀 猀挀攀渀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 最氀愀猀猀眀愀爀攀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 攀氀攀最愀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 猀挀爀漀氀氀眀漀爀欀ഊdesigns. They also had lots of everyday items made from glass. ਀ഊThe same books as my last message include information on these styles. ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊDonna Cunningham ਀䐀䌀搀攀猀椀最渀猀 ☀ 䤀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:38:34 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀漀戀攀爀琀愀 刀 䌀漀洀猀琀漀挀欀 㰀昀爀漀最最攀猀琀漀眀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 最氀愀猀猀 樀愀爀猀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 渀漀琀愀戀氀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 爀攀最愀爀搀椀渀最 攀愀爀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 漀昀琀攀渀ഊtreated as a stone and carved. Early pieces formed from molten glass ਀眀攀爀攀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 焀甀椀琀攀 猀洀愀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀䰀漀漀欀 愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 攀愀爀氀礀 最氀愀猀猀 眀愀爀攀 愀渀搀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 最氀愀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀䜀氀愀猀猀 樀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 愀猀 眀攀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀搀愀礀 戀攀愀爀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀愀渀挀攀 琀漀ഊany examples of medieval glass that I have seen in either museums or ਀戀漀漀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀䔀瘀攀渀 最氀愀猀猀 樀愀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㔀　 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀愀戀氀礀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀爀漀洀 洀漀搀攀爀渀ഊones. ਀ഊHertha ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 㘀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㈀㌀㨀㌀㐀㨀㌀㜀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: glass jars ਀ഊfroggestow at juno.com writes: ਀㰀㰀 䰀漀漀欀 愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 攀愀爀氀礀 最氀愀猀猀 眀愀爀攀 愀渀搀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 最氀愀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀ 䜀氀愀猀猀 樀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 愀猀 眀攀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀搀愀礀 戀攀愀爀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀愀渀挀攀 琀漀ഊ any examples of medieval glass that I have seen in either museums or ਀ 戀漀漀欀猀⸀ 㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 戀攀最 琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 攀砀焀甀椀猀椀琀攀 栀愀渀搀 戀氀漀眀渀 最氀愀猀猀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀ഊcloisters and several pictures clearly show people drinking from thin long ਀猀琀攀洀洀攀搀 戀甀氀戀漀甀猀 戀愀猀攀搀 昀氀愀猀欀猀⸀ 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 最氀愀猀猀眀愀爀攀 椀猀 愀戀猀漀氀甀琀攀氀礀 戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀ഊand delicate as is some produced in the Ottoman empire. ਀ഊRas ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㜀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 　㤀㨀㄀㌀㨀㔀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䌀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: "Pixel, Queen of Cats" ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䤀一吀䔀刀一䔀吀㨀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: Glass containers ਀ഊWhile we're on the topic, has anyone besides me gotten a look at the ਀氀愀琀攀猀琀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 开吀栀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䠀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀开㼀ഊ ਀䤀琀✀猀 最漀琀 昀爀愀最洀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 甀爀椀渀愀氀猀Ⰰ 最氀愀猀猀 漀椀氀 氀愀洀瀀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最ഊcups, including fragments of an enameled drinking cup. Really nifty. ਀ഊOne of the things I remember is that the urinals were made of blue glass ਀琀漀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 昀愀挀椀氀椀琀愀琀攀 搀椀愀最渀漀猀椀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀爀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀攀搀⸀ 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ⴀ洀愀搀攀 最氀愀猀猀ഊtended to be greenish. ਀ഊMargaret FitzWilliam ਀吀漀爀 䄀攀爀椀攀⼀一漀爀搀猀欀漀最攀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:41:38 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀 圀椀氀猀漀渀 㰀䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀圀椀氀猀漀渀 愀琀 挀漀洀瀀甀猀攀爀瘀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: "INTERNET:sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 搀椀猀瀀甀琀攀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 琀栀愀琀 挀攀爀愀洀椀挀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 洀漀爀攀ഊco9mmon than glass. However, we've certainly found a number of ਀愀瀀瀀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀渀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀猀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀⸀  䄀 戀爀椀攀昀 栀甀渀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 漀甀爀ഊcollection turns up examples of: (From _Glass: 5000 Years_) lots of very ਀攀愀爀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 最氀愀猀猀 ⠀刀漀洀愀渀 䔀洀瀀椀爀攀⤀Ⰰ 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 䜀氀愀猀猀ⴀⴀഊjars, flasks, bottles-- >>> ਀ഊYes early glass is seen, and glass drinking vessels, but due to economic ਀琀爀攀渀搀猀 椀琀 搀攀挀氀椀渀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⠀猀愀礀 ㄀　　　愀搀 椀猀栀 ⤀ 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀ഊ16th C when it creeps back in. This is particularly true of England. One of ਀琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 搀攀洀愀渀搀 昀漀爀 圀椀渀搀漀眀 最氀愀猀猀 昀漀爀 挀栀甀爀挀栀攀猀Ⰰഊthe Church being one of the glasshouses biggest customers it lead the ਀琀爀攀渀搀⸀  䜀氀愀猀猀 䌀栀愀氀椀挀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 戀愀渀渀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䌀栀甀爀挀栀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀ഊperiod too. ਀ഊ<<< and Venetian Bottles ('The only type of glass ਀猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㈀㜀㄀ 䌀愀瀀椀琀漀氀愀爀攀 愀爀攀 最氀愀猀猀 眀攀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰ 䈀伀吀吀䰀䔀匀ഊand beakers' p. 149)-- bottles in late period 15th-16th century Germany ਀愀渀搀 䈀漀栀攀洀椀愀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀伀甀琀猀椀搀攀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀ⴀ 䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 最漀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 愀昀椀攀氀搀 愀猀 䤀 渀攀椀琀栀攀爀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀ഊtime or inclination, exact information about one area is too great to know ਀攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 氀攀琀 愀氀漀渀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀 挀漀甀渀琀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀氀搀 愀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊAlthough interesting I'm sure, it isn't relevant to my persona or my ਀猀琀甀搀椀攀猀⸀   匀漀爀爀礀 ℀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀开䜀氀愀猀猀㨀 㔀　　　 夀攀愀爀猀开 焀甀漀琀攀猀 䄀最爀椀挀漀氀愀✀ 䐀攀 刀攀 䴀攀琀愀氀氀椀挀漀 ⠀㄀㔀㔀㤀⤀㨀ഊ'Glassmeen make a variety of ojects: cups, phials, pitchehers, globular ਀戀漀琀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 猀愀甀挀攀爀猀Ⰰ 洀椀爀爀漀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀Ⰰ 琀爀攀攀猀Ⰰ 猀栀椀瀀猀⸀⸀⸀✀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀伀甀琀猀椀搀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀开䜀氀愀猀猀 椀渀 䌀稀攀挀栀漀猀氀漀瘀愀欀椀愀开 栀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀氀猀漀⸀ഊWhat I really find intriguing is the illustrations in Rj Charleston's ਀开䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 䜀氀愀猀猀开 漀昀 攀愀爀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ✀猀焀甀愀琀 樀愀爀猀✀ 愀渀搀 ✀瀀漀甀挀栀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀✀ 眀栀椀挀栀ഊlook like modern jars to me but which he identifies as drinking vessels. >>> ਀ഊI don't have this ref, but what century & are they the round bottomed palm ਀搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 㼀ഊ ਀伀琀栀攀爀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀 爀攀昀猀 䤀✀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀爀攀 氀愀洀瀀猀Ⰰ 琀栀椀渀最猀 琀漀 眀攀攀 椀渀 昀漀爀 甀爀椀渀攀ഊexamination !, and the odd medicine bottle etc. For this period. ਀ഊMel ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㘀㨀㄀㤀㨀㔀㤀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Melanie Wilson ਀吀漀㨀 䰀䤀匀吀 匀䌀䄀 愀爀琀猀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Glass ਀ഊRachael Tyson who completed a Survey of Medieval Glass vessels in England states in 1996: ਀ഊ"The sites included high status castles, manors and palaces; monastic and ਀漀琀栀攀爀 攀挀挀氀攀猀椀愀猀琀椀挀愀氀 猀椀琀攀猀㬀 愀渀搀 愀昀昀氀甀攀渀琀 甀爀戀愀渀 爀攀猀椀搀攀渀挀攀猀⸀ 匀甀爀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最氀礀 Ⰰഊno glass was found to have been used on less wealthy sites" ਀ഊThe study covered 1200-1500, over 1200 vessels from 200 sites across ਀䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䄀 瀀氀愀渀渀攀搀 䠀愀渀搀戀漀漀欀 漀昀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䜀氀愀猀猀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 椀猀 琀漀 戀攀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 椀渀 搀甀攀ഊcourse ! ਀ഊThis suggest glass was NOT in common usage [in England], once again. ਀ഊMel ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㌀㨀　㘀㨀　㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䌀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Lorine S Horvath ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䤀一吀䔀刀一䔀吀㨀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: Glass ਀ഊTarrach here. In answer to Mel's question, at least some of the round ਀戀漀琀琀漀洀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 眀攀爀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀ഊcontexts. I don't have the referneces here at work, but there is a paper ਀戀礀 䔀瘀椀猀漀渀 漀渀 䄀渀最氀漀ⴀ匀愀砀漀渀 䜀氀愀猀猀 琀栀愀琀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀猀 琀栀攀洀 愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 戀礀ഊNasman (?) on Vendel period glass (both 7th century). ਀ഊ> I don't have this ref, but what century & are they the round bottomed palm ਀㸀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䴀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:22:24 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀 圀椀氀猀漀渀 㰀䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀圀椀氀猀漀渀 愀琀 挀漀洀瀀甀猀攀爀瘀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: "INTERNET:sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 吀愀爀爀愀挀栀 栀攀爀攀⸀  䤀渀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 琀漀 䴀攀氀✀猀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀漀甀渀搀ഊbottom drinking vessels were found in 7th century Northern European ਀挀漀渀琀攀砀琀猀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀昀攀爀渀攀挀攀猀 栀攀爀攀 愀琀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 瀀愀瀀攀爀ഊby Evison on Anglo-Saxon Glass that documents them and another paper by ਀一愀猀洀愀渀 ⠀㼀⤀ 漀渀 嘀攀渀搀攀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 最氀愀猀猀 ⠀戀漀琀栀 㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⤀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䠀椀 礀攀猀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 䄀渀最氀漀 匀愀砀漀渀 爀攀昀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 甀渀搀漀甀戀琀攀搀氀礀 愀 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 甀猀攀ഊof drinking vessels of Glass IN ENGLAND and elsewhere on continental ਀䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䄀匀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 眀攀氀氀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 椀渀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 洀漀猀琀ഊarguments describing the decline of the vessel as the flat glass demanded ਀戀礀 琀栀攀 挀栀甀爀挀栀 昀漀爀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀 琀漀漀欀 漀瘀攀爀⸀  吀栀攀 ⠀昀漀爀 洀攀洀漀爀礀⤀ 匀礀爀椀愀渀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀 洀愀欀攀爀猀ഊgradually moved elsewhere. ਀ഊThe AS period it very interesting as regards the study of the claw beaker ਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 攀砀挀攀猀猀攀猀 椀琀 眀攀渀琀 琀漀 ℀ഊ ਀䠀愀瘀攀 礀漀甀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀瘀椀猀漀渀 瀀愀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀✀瘀攀 爀攀愀搀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 栀攀爀 猀琀甀昀昀⸀ഊ ਀䴀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:06:34 -0400 (EDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀攀渀渀攀 䠀攀椀猀攀 㰀樀攀渀渀攀 愀琀 琀甀氀最攀礀⸀戀爀漀眀猀攀爀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: "INTERNET:sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀䄀氀氀 琀栀攀 焀甀漀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀猀 栀攀爀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀㨀ഊ_English Glass and the glass used in England, circa 400-1940_, by R.J. ਀䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀琀漀渀⸀ 䰀漀渀搀漀渀㨀 䜀攀漀爀最攀 䄀氀氀攀渀 愀渀搀 唀渀眀椀渀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㠀㐀⸀ ⠀倀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ഊDecorative arts series) ISBN: 0-04-748003-3. ਀ഊ(Note: I haven't read the whole thing, and bear in mind that it's 15 years ਀漀氀搀⸀⤀ഊ ਀伀渀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀Ⰰ 䴀攀氀愀渀椀攀 圀椀氀猀漀渀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Yes early glass is seen, and glass drinking vessels, but due to economic ਀㸀 琀爀攀渀搀猀 椀琀 搀攀挀氀椀渀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀猀 ⠀猀愀礀 ㄀　　　愀搀 椀猀栀 ⤀ 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀ഊ> 16th C when it creeps back in. This is particularly true of England. One of ਀㸀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 搀攀洀愀渀搀 昀漀爀 圀椀渀搀漀眀 最氀愀猀猀 昀漀爀 挀栀甀爀挀栀攀猀Ⰰഊ> the Church being one of the glasshouses biggest customers it lead the ਀㸀 琀爀攀渀搀⸀  䜀氀愀猀猀 䌀栀愀氀椀挀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 戀愀渀渀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䌀栀甀爀挀栀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀ഊ> period too. ਀ഊCharleston says (p. xxvii-xxviii): ਀∀一漀 甀渀椀昀漀爀洀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 椀猀 猀琀爀椀挀琀氀礀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 甀渀琀椀氀 眀攀ഊcome to relatively recent time the suriviv evidence is partial and ਀甀渀攀瘀攀渀氀礀 戀愀氀愀渀挀攀搀⸀ 吀栀甀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀愀最愀渀 匀愀砀漀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀ഊabundance of intact glasses from burials and thus an exact idea of the ਀最氀愀猀猀攀猀 甀猀攀搀㬀 眀栀攀爀攀愀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀爀 匀愀砀漀渀 攀爀愀 椀琀 椀猀 漀渀氀礀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀ഊinterpret the sparse fragments from occupation sites by comparison with ਀琀栀攀 椀渀琀愀挀琀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 猀甀爀瘀椀瘀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 瀀愀最愀渀 匀挀愀渀搀椀渀愀瘀椀愀⸀ 伀昀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀爀礀ഊevidence there is virtually nothing. In the post-Conquest period before ਀㄀㈀　　 琀栀攀爀攀 椀昀 攀昀昀攀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 愀 琀漀琀愀氀 戀氀愀渀欀⸀ 䘀爀漀洀 琀栀愀琀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀渀眀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊresources of modern archaelogy have brought to light an increasing body of ਀洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 昀漀 琀栀攀ഊglasshouses which are known to have existed in the Surry/Sussex Weald and ਀攀氀猀攀眀栀攀爀攀⸀ 倀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀  昀漀爀 漀甀爀 椀搀攀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀ഊthe Middle Ages has been the discovery, in securely date thirteenth- to ਀昀漀甀爀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 挀漀渀琀攀砀琀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 昀椀渀攀 最氀愀猀猀攀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 愀 瘀椀爀琀甀愀氀氀礀ഊcolourless material, hitherto regarded as impossible before the middle of ਀琀栀攀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 椀渀 嘀攀渀椀挀攀⸀ 䘀爀甀琀栀攀爀洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 眀愀猀 眀漀爀欀攀搀ഊinto graceful forms of extreme fragility, though it was almost certainly ਀渀漀琀 漀昀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 洀愀渀甀昀愀挀琀甀爀攀⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀Ⰰ 渀攀瘀攀爀琀栀攀氀攀猀猀Ⰰ 猀攀攀洀攀搀 椀洀瀀攀爀愀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀ഊinclude this evidence so that the reader may be able to visualise what ਀洀愀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀攀猀 最爀愀挀攀搀 琀栀攀 琀愀戀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀攀愀氀琀栀礀 愀渀搀 瀀漀眀攀爀昀甀氀 愀琀 愀 琀椀洀攀ഊwhtn the English glasshouses themselves were capable of producing no more ਀琀栀愀渀 甀琀椀氀椀琀愀爀椀愀渀 眀愀爀攀猀ⴀⴀ 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 氀愀洀瀀猀Ⰰ 甀爀椀渀愀氀猀Ⰰ 搀椀猀琀椀氀氀椀渀最 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀ഊsecond-grade window-glass-- in a technically imperfect green 'forest' ਀最氀愀猀猀⸀∀ഊ ਀㸀 㸀开䜀氀愀猀猀㨀 㔀　　　 夀攀愀爀猀开 焀甀漀琀攀猀 䄀最爀椀挀漀氀愀✀ 䐀攀 刀攀 䴀攀琀愀氀氀椀挀漀 ⠀㄀㔀㔀㤀⤀㨀ഊ> 'Glassmeen make a variety of ojects: cups, phials, pitchehers, globular ਀㸀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 猀愀甀挀攀爀猀Ⰰ 洀椀爀爀漀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀Ⰰ 琀爀攀攀猀Ⰰ 猀栀椀瀀猀⸀⸀⸀✀ഊ> Outside Medieval period ਀ഊOops. Hope I'm not boring the non-SCAdians on the list... of course we go ਀琀漀 ㄀㘀　　⸀ഊ ਀㸀 㸀开䜀氀愀猀猀 椀渀 䌀稀攀挀栀漀猀氀漀瘀愀欀椀愀开 栀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀氀猀漀⸀ഊ> What I really find intriguing is the illustrations in Rj Charleston's ਀㸀 开䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 䜀氀愀猀猀开 漀昀 攀愀爀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ✀猀焀甀愀琀 樀愀爀猀✀ 愀渀搀 ✀瀀漀甀挀栀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀✀ 眀栀椀挀栀ഊ> look like modern jars to me but which he identifies as drinking vessels. ਀㸀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀昀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀愀琀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 ☀ 愀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 琀栀攀 爀漀甀渀搀 戀漀琀琀漀洀攀搀 瀀愀氀洀ഊ> drinking vessels ? ਀ഊCharleston distinguishes between the squat jars and the palm cups: ਀∀吀栀攀 爀攀洀愀椀渀椀渀最 ✀攀愀爀氀礀✀ 昀漀爀洀猀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 琀漀 搀椀攀 漀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀椀砀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀椀爀ഊplaces being taken by two new shapes which, by their squat proportions, ਀挀漀渀琀爀愀猀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 最爀漀眀椀渀最 栀攀椀最栀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最ⴀ戀攀愀欀攀爀猀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀ഊenumerated. These new shapes are the squat jar and the palm-cup. The squat ਀樀愀爀ⴀⴀ 渀漀 搀漀甀戀琀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 戀礀 最漀甀爀搀猀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 琀栀攀 洀漀甀渀琀攀搀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀琀ഊSutton Hoo-- probably first appeared in the sixth century but its heyday ਀椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀攀瘀攀琀栀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀愀氀洀ⴀ挀甀瀀Ⰰ 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀渀搀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀猀 渀甀洀攀爀漀甀猀ഊparallels on the Continent, seems to have flourished largely in the sixth ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 戀攀椀渀最 愀 栀攀洀椀猀瀀栀攀爀椀挀愀氀 挀漀洀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 爀漀甀渀搀攀搀 爀椀洀Ⰰഊusually decorated with vertical mould-blown ribbing..." ਀ഊ"... a similar picture is presented by another seventh-century form-- the ਀✀瀀漀甀挀栀ⴀ戀漀琀琀氀攀✀ⴀⴀ 眀栀椀挀栀Ⰰ 椀渀 猀焀甀愀琀琀攀爀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 愀氀洀漀猀琀 漀瘀攀爀氀愀瀀猀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀愀琀攀ഊjar." ਀ഊCharleston mentions and illustrates a wide variety of beakers, bottles, ਀樀愀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀甀瀀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀洀漀渀最 琀栀攀洀 愀爀攀㨀ഊPlate 3b: Squat jar [which may or may not have a flat bottom; it is a ਀爀漀甀渀搀ⴀ戀攀氀氀椀攀搀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 渀愀爀爀漀眀攀搀 渀攀挀欀 愀渀搀 昀氀愀爀攀搀 氀椀瀀Ⰰഊdecorated with strings of glass] Pagans Hill, Somerset, Probably seventh ਀琀漀 攀椀最栀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 䠀⸀ 㠀⸀㘀㔀 挀洀⸀ഊPlate 5b. Pouch bottle [more rounded at the bottom; probably could not ਀猀琀愀渀搀 愀氀漀渀攀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 猀琀爀椀渀最猀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 猀琀愀戀椀氀椀稀攀搀 椀琀⸀ഊSpherical bottom tapering to a narrower neck and slightly flared lip.] ਀㸀䘀爀漀洀 䈀甀渀最愀礀Ⰰ 匀甀昀昀漀氀欀⸀ 倀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 猀攀瘀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 䠀⸀ ㄀㈀⸀㜀 挀洀⸀ഊPlate 5d. Beaker [This looks almost like a crock, until you realize that ਀琀栀攀 爀漀甀渀搀攀搀 戀漀琀漀琀洀 椀猀 挀氀攀愀爀 最氀愀猀猀⸀ 䤀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 昀氀愀琀 戀椀琀 愀琀ഊthe bottom. The taper to the neck is slight.] From Birka, Sweden. probably ਀刀攀栀椀猀栀㬀 昀椀爀猀琀 栀愀氀昀 漀昀 琀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 䠀⸀ 㘀⸀㄀ 挀洀⸀ഊPlate 6a. Beaker. [which looks just like the pouch bottle, except that it ਀挀氀攀愀爀氀礀 栀愀猀 愀 昀氀愀琀 戀椀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 琀漀 猀琀愀渀搀 漀渀⸀崀䘀爀漀洀 䈀椀爀欀愀Ⰰ 匀眀攀搀攀渀⸀ഊProbably Rhenish, ninth century. h. 10.2 cm. ਀倀氀愀琀攀 㘀戀⸀ 匀焀甀愀琀 樀愀爀⸀ 嬀吀栀椀猀 氀漀漀欀猀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 愀猀 眀攀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 樀愀爀猀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀㨀ഊflat bottom the width of the jar, slight bellying of the bottom bit, ਀琀愀瀀攀爀椀渀最 甀瀀 琀漀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 渀攀挀欀Ⰰ 渀漀 昀氀愀爀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀椀瀀⸀ 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀ഊfind something like this-- though without the 'faint mould-blown ਀爀椀戀戀椀渀最✀ⴀⴀ 椀渀 倀椀攀爀 ㄀⸀⤀ ✀䄀氀氀攀最攀搀氀礀 昀漀甀渀搀 甀渀搀攀爀 栀琀 瀀愀瘀攀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 昀爀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊHigh Altar of Shaftesbury Abbey. Probably tenth to eleventh century. H ਀㜀⸀㌀挀洀⸀ഊ ਀⠀䤀✀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀 洀愀欀攀猀 渀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀ഊhistorians/archaelogists decided that these vessels, which have the ਀戀漀琀琀氀攀ⴀ氀椀欀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 愀瘀漀椀搀 椀渀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 挀甀瀀猀Ⰰ 愀爀攀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最ഊvessels..) ਀ഊ*grin* now that Mel has piqued my interest, I'm hot on the trail of ਀挀攀渀琀爀愀氀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 愀渀搀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 最氀愀猀猀攀猀⸀ 䄀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 最漀漀搀 挀椀琀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀䨀愀搀眀椀最愀 娀愀樀愀挀稀欀漀眀愀 ⠀匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 䔀椀猀攀渀琀愀氀⤀Ⰰ 洀欀愀 䨀攀渀渀椀昀攀爀 䠀攀椀猀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:31:28 PDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀礀渀琀栀椀愀 搀攀圀椀挀欀攀爀攀猀栀愀洀∀ 㰀挀礀渀琀栀椀愀搀攀眀 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀ഊ ਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 ∀䄀渀琀椀焀甀攀 䐀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 䜀氀愀猀猀攀猀∀ 昀漀爀洀攀爀氀礀 琀椀琀氀攀搀 伀氀搀ഊEnglish Glasses by Albert Hartshorne, Pub. Brussel & Brussel, 1967. It ਀挀愀氀氀猀 椀琀猀攀氀昀 愀 瀀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀氀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 搀爀椀渀最椀渀最 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀愀猀 愀 最爀攀愀琀ഊdeal of text on early (pre-16th C) stuff. Great footnotes and bibliography, ਀琀漀漀℀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀猀 琀栀攀 樀漀甀爀渀愀氀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䌀漀爀渀椀渀最 䴀甀猀攀甀洀Ⰰ ∀䜀氀愀猀猀∀⸀  匀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊavailable in some University libraries. EXCELLENT sources for information ਀漀渀 琀栀攀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 愀爀攀愀猀⸀ഊ ਀䐀椀搀 琀栀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 昀漀爀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀 漀瘀攀爀琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 椀渀ഊEngland? No. It just depends on what/where, are the Glassworks you are ਀猀琀甀搀椀渀最⸀ 䄀猀 愀 最氀愀猀猀戀氀漀眀攀爀 䤀 挀愀渀 琀攀氀氀 礀漀甀 琀栀愀琀 昀漀爀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀猀 琀栀攀ഊmaking of panes of glass differs greatly from vessels. Where the skill ਀椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 洀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀漀甀渀搀 搀椀猀挀✀猀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 愀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀椀氀礀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀⸀ഊ Making larger panes of glass takes a slightly more technically advanced ਀猀栀漀瀀 ⠀爀攀焀甀椀爀椀渀最 氀愀爀最攀爀 愀渀搀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀氀礀 猀栀愀瀀攀搀 愀渀渀攀愀氀攀爀 漀瘀攀渀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⤀⸀  倀愀渀攀ഊglass requires the making of large(or largeish) cylinders and needs a method ਀漀昀 昀氀愀琀琀攀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀⸀  䴀愀欀椀渀最 眀椀渀搀漀眀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀欀椀渀最 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀Ⰰഊmuch easier. ਀ഊNow with that think about what you think of medieval church glass, clear ਀瀀愀渀攀猀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 ⠀漀爀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀⤀ 最氀愀猀猀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 甀渀椀琀氀 琀栀攀ഊ7th Century that you find references to clear panes of glass used in ਀挀栀甀爀挀栀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䈀攀搀攀 眀爀漀琀攀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 最氀愀猀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 䈀攀渀攀搀椀挀琀 䈀椀猀挀漀瀀 漀昀 栀椀猀 挀栀甀爀挀栀 愀琀ഊWearmouth in 675: ਀ഊ When the work was drawing to completion, he sent messengers to ਀䜀愀甀氀 琀漀 昀攀琀挀栀 洀愀欀攀爀猀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 洀漀爀攀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀氀礀 愀爀琀椀昀椀挀攀爀猀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀ഊat this time unknown in Britain, that they might glaze the windows of his ਀挀栀甀爀挀栀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀氀漀椀猀琀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 爀攀昀攀挀琀漀爀礀⸀  吀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀ഊcame, and they not only finished the work required, but also taught ਀琀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 栀愀渀搀椀挀爀愀昀琀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀搀愀瀀琀攀搀 昀漀爀ഊenclosing the lanterns of the churches and for the vessels required ਀昀漀爀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 甀猀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 琀栀攀 昀甀猀猀 挀愀甀猀攀 戀礀 琀栀椀猀 最氀愀稀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀椀渀搀漀眀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀栀甀爀挀栀 愀渀搀ഊmonastery was not just the glass but that the glass was transparent! This ਀搀椀搀渀✀琀 氀愀猀琀 氀漀渀最 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 昀椀昀琀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 氀愀琀攀爀 䌀甀琀栀戀攀爀琀Ⰰ 䄀戀戀漀琀 漀昀 䨀愀爀爀漀眀 眀爀漀琀攀ഊasking for help in finding someone knowledgible in the making of glass ਀瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀⸀  䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 琀栀攀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀洀愀欀椀渀最 椀洀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 䜀愀甀氀 搀椀搀渀✀琀ഊlast long in the area. ਀ഊNow this was in the north of England, the south of England was another story ਀愀氀氀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀⸀  䬀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 匀甀猀猀攀砀 愀爀攀愀猀Ⰰ 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀ഊRoman era. Also don't count out the importation of glass from the Continent ਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀攀爀琀椀氀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 猀琀礀氀攀⼀琀攀挀栀椀焀甀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀甀猀攀猀⸀  䤀 眀爀椀琀攀 愀 瀀愀爀琀ഊ2. ਀ഊCynthia de W, from the Kindom of Caid. ਀ഊP.S. I have a diatribe on stoping up, binning and sealing of glass bottles, ਀椀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:49:01 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 爀洀栀漀眀攀 㰀洀愀最渀甀猀洀 愀琀 渀挀猀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䄀渀最氀漀 匀愀砀漀渀 䜀氀愀猀猀 䈀漀漀欀 唀刀䰀ഊ ਀䄀渀最氀漀 匀愀砀漀渀 䜀氀愀猀猀 䈀漀漀欀㨀ഊhttp://www.britarch.ac.uk/pubs/medieval.html ਀ഊMagnus ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 　㌀㨀㈀㠀㨀㔀㐀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Melanie Wilson ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䤀一吀䔀刀一䔀吀㨀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Glass ਀ഊ>(I's interesting that the text makes no mention of how the ਀栀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀渀猀⼀愀爀挀栀愀攀氀漀最椀猀琀猀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀ഊbottle-like shape that we generally avoid in drinking cups, are drinking ਀瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀⸀⸀⤀ഊ ਀匀攀攀 琀栀攀 瀀漀琀琀攀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀爀愀 愀渀搀 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 洀漀爀攀 愀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀Ⰰ 䤀ഊwould imagine that this may well be due to a narrower opening being less ਀昀爀愀最椀氀攀Ⰰ 戀漀琀栀 甀渀搀攀爀 洀愀渀甀昀愀挀琀甀爀攀 ☀ 甀猀攀⸀ 䴀甀挀栀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 眀椀搀攀爀 瀀漀琀琀攀爀礀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀ഊis thicker & would be uncomfortable to drink from. Similarly with glass if ਀礀漀甀 戀漀眀 愀 戀甀氀戀 猀栀愀瀀攀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 愀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最 眀栀椀挀栀 洀愀礀戀攀 眀愀猀ഊdifficult to open up & maintain strength with ? ਀ഊMel ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 　㠀㨀㄀　㨀㈀㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Jenne Heise ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䤀一吀䔀刀一䔀吀㨀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: Glass ਀ഊOn Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Melanie Wilson wrote: ਀㸀 䨀甀猀琀 愀 昀攀眀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀猀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 爀攀昀攀爀攀猀 琀漀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀ഊ[snip] ਀㸀 䈀漀琀琀氀攀猀㨀ⴀ 漀渀氀礀 昀漀爀 洀攀搀椀挀椀渀攀 ☀ 琀栀漀猀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 礀漀甀 眀攀攀 椀渀琀漀 昀漀爀 甀爀椀渀攀ഊ> examination ! ਀ഊI think we can safely say that many of the bottles were generally smaller ਀琀栀愀渀 眀攀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 戀攀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀攀 猀甀椀琀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀渀最猀ഊsuch as medicine. But none of the sources I looked at claimed that they ਀眀攀爀攀 伀一䰀夀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 洀攀搀椀挀椀渀攀⸀ 䤀渀 氀愀琀攀 匀䌀䄀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀ഊ'Apothecary bottles' but these seem to have specific shape -- a point of ਀最氀愀猀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀ⴀⴀ 琀栀愀琀 漀琀栀攀爀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀⸀ 䤀渀 昀愀挀琀ⰀഊCharleston claims that the smaller bottles may have been primarily used as ਀爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 椀渀琀愀挀琀 猀洀愀氀氀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 戀攀椀渀最 昀漀甀渀搀ഊserving this purpose. ਀ഊJadwiga Zajaczkowa (Shire of Eisental), mka Jennifer Heise ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㈀㈀㨀㐀　㨀　㜀 倀䐀吀ഊFrom: "Cynthia deWickeresham" ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Glass ਀ഊIn regards to: ਀䴀甀挀栀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 眀椀搀攀爀 瀀漀琀琀攀爀礀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀ഊ>is thicker & would be uncomfortable to drink from. Similarly with glass if ਀㸀礀漀甀 戀漀眀 愀 戀甀氀戀 猀栀愀瀀攀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 愀 渀愀爀甀爀愀氀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最 眀栀椀挀栀 洀愀礀戀攀 眀愀猀ഊ>difficult to open up & maintain strength with ? ਀㸀ഊ>Mel ਀ഊActually, it takes more practice to get that "bottle" shape when flaring out ਀琀栀攀 氀椀瀀 漀昀 愀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀 琀栀愀渀 愀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 猀椀搀攀⸀  䄀渀搀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 搀爀甀渀欀 昀爀漀洀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀ഊthis style of glass, you get used to it rather fast. (Okay, and now I am ਀最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀漀爀攀 愀 昀攀眀 漀昀 礀漀甀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀 最氀愀猀猀戀氀漀眀椀渀最 琀攀挀栀椀攀 琀攀爀洀猀 猀漀 䤀 挀愀渀ഊexplain how the shape is done) ਀ഊ1. After you take you gather(s) of glass, blow your initial bubble and shape ਀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀椀渀 戀漀搀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀 礀漀甀 椀渀琀攀渀搀 漀渀ഊmaking. ਀㈀⸀  夀漀甀 甀猀攀 愀 瀀漀渀琀椀氀 漀爀 瀀甀渀琀礀 琀漀 愀琀琀愀挀栀 琀栀攀 戀甀戀戀氀攀 琀漀 愀 椀爀漀渀 爀漀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀ഊalso called a punty. A punty/pontil is sort of like using hot glass to glue ਀琀栀攀 戀甀戀戀氀攀 漀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀甀渀琀礀 椀爀漀渀⸀ഊ3. Crack off the bubble from the blow pipe. ਀ഊAt this point what you have is a hollow bubble of glass attached to a punty ਀椀爀漀渀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 戀甀戀戀氀攀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 栀愀猀 愀 栀漀氀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 漀瀀瀀漀猀椀琀攀 漀昀 眀栀攀爀攀 椀琀 椀猀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀ഊto the blow pipe. At this point the easiest thing to do is open the vessel ਀甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 猀椀搀攀猀Ⰰ 甀猀椀渀最 栀攀愀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀瀀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䨀愀挀欀猀⠀愀 攀砀琀爀愀 氀愀爀最攀ഊtweezer type tool) and gravity(both spinning the glass and hanging the piece ਀搀漀眀渀 琀漀 氀攀渀最琀栀攀渀 椀琀⤀⸀  䤀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀 戀椀琀 洀漀爀攀 琀愀氀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 昀椀渀攀猀猀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀ഊbottle shape, or even a palm cup which is only a slight varation from a ਀猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 猀椀搀攀 挀甀瀀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最 最漀攀猀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 眀栀愀琀 猀椀稀攀ഊthe opening is. That has more to do with the annealing process. Making a ਀猀洀愀氀氀 漀爀 氀愀爀最攀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最 搀攀瀀攀渀搀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀愀渀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀戀氀漀眀攀爀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 猀椀稀攀 椀猀ഊjust as easy to produce as the other. Besides if you blow a vessel too thin ਀椀琀 樀甀猀琀 挀漀氀愀瀀猀攀猀 愀渀礀眀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 琀栀攀漀爀礀 漀渀 吀栀椀渀 瘀猀⸀ 吀栀椀挀欀 猀椀搀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 眀愀氀氀猀 漀渀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 椀猀 琀栀椀挀欀 眀愀氀氀猀ഊtravel better. The same style of Gaulish vessels at home were thinner and ਀洀漀爀攀 攀氀攀最愀渀琀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀挀欀 眀愀氀氀攀搀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 攀砀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 一漀爀猀攀⸀ഊThat same thinking holds for any glassworks, in period and today. Also I ਀戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 最氀愀猀猀 椀琀攀洀猀 眀攀爀攀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 瀀攀爀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 琀栀愀渀 眀栀愀琀 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 氀攀搀ഊto believe. Not neccessarily a luxury item. ਀ഊOk, Mel why haven't you mentioned conial beakers???? Palm cups are okay and ਀攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 戀甀琀⸀ ⸀ ⸀  吀栀攀 挀漀渀椀愀氀 戀攀愀欀攀爀 椀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 昀愀瘀漀爀椀琀攀猀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀渀搀ഊdefinately within your anglo-saxon timeline. The Kempstead Beaker being one ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀攀猀琀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 漀昀 愀 椀渀琀愀挀琀 挀漀渀椀愀氀 戀攀愀欀攀爀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 眀攀爀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 琀栀爀甀ഊout northern Europe. And if you can find a glassblower, they are definately ਀愀 最爀攀愀琀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀 愀挀挀攀猀猀漀爀礀⸀  夀漀甀 一漀爀猀攀 琀礀瀀攀猀 挀愀渀 栀愀瘀攀 栀漀爀渀 猀栀愀瀀攀搀 漀渀攀猀 洀愀搀攀Ⰰഊcomplete with glass fittings so you can hang it from your belt. :-> ਀ഊOh, I have a wide and varied interest in glass, so I don't neccessarily ਀氀椀洀椀琀 洀礀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀渀最氀漀ⴀ猀愀砀漀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  䄀 氀漀琀 洀漀爀攀 挀爀漀猀猀ⴀ瀀漀氀氀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀ഊwent on than we give our forefather credit for. ਀ഊThanks for letting me talk glass, ਀ഊTHLady Cynthia de Wickeresham, Caid ਀圀栀漀 椀猀 昀愀猀椀渀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 嘀攀渀攀琀椀愀渀 䜀氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 椀猀 氀甀挀欀礀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀ഊopportunity to learn that area of the craft. :-) ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 䴀⸀ 刀愀稀氀攀爀 㰀搀愀瘀椀搀⸀爀愀稀氀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀ഊDate: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:26:43 -0400 ਀ഊpdruss at aol.com (P D RUSS) wrote: ਀簀 䠀愀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀渀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀攀搀 漀渀 愀 眀攀戀 ഊ| site? ਀簀 吀愀洀愀爀愀ഊ ਀㰀愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀最爀漀甀挀栀 攀洀攀爀最攀猀㸀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀 䤀 最甀攀猀猀 礀漀甀 洀攀愀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀 愀渀搀 漀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀愀氀 氀攀愀搀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀匀吀䄀䤀一䔀䐀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 最氀愀猀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 挀漀洀瀀漀猀攀搀 漀昀 戀椀琀猀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 漀爀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 椀渀ഊlead came forming the outline of a picture, in which the detail has been added ਀戀礀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 渀椀琀爀愀琀攀 猀琀愀椀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰഊwhich are then heated to develop a yellow-to dark brown line. ਀ഊEnameled glass is the same stuff where non-staining opaque paints are used. ਀ഊOrnamental leaded glass can combine both of those techniques, along with a ਀洀礀爀椀愀搀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 椀渀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀椀渀最 焀甀椀琀攀 昀愀渀琀愀猀琀椀挀 眀漀爀欀猀 漀昀 愀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀                                搀⼀䄀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䴀⸀ 刀愀稀氀攀爀ഊdavid.razler at worldnet.att.net ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀爀椀挀攀 䴀漀漀爀攀 㰀洀愀最椀猀琀爀愀 愀琀 琀愀洀瀀愀戀愀礀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䔀愀爀氀礀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䜀氀愀猀猀眀愀爀攀⼀䘀攀愀猀琀眀愀爀攀ഊDate: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 05:15:36 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 刀漀愀搀刀甀渀渀攀爀 ⴀ 吀愀洀瀀愀䈀愀礀ഊ ਀栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 猀漀挀爀愀琀攀猀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> If you don't mind spending a little money, there's a company associated ਀㸀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 匀琀漀挀欀栀漀氀洀 洀甀猀攀甀洀 琀栀愀琀 挀爀攀愀琀攀猀 愀挀挀甀爀愀琀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀 最氀愀猀猀眀愀爀攀 昀爀漀洀ഊ> Scandinavia and Germany. I ran into some folks at the recent West Kingdom ਀㸀 䌀爀漀眀渀 眀栀漀 愀爀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 ⴀⴀ 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 琀栀攀洀 愀琀ഊ> . You won't get thrift-store prices, but you _can_ ਀㸀 最攀琀 愀猀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀 愀 嘀椀欀椀渀最 戀攀愀欀攀爀 愀猀 礀漀甀✀搀 攀瘀攀爀 挀愀爀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 搀爀甀渀欀 漀甀琀 漀昀℀ഊ ਀夀漀甀 挀愀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 圀攀戀 琀漀漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 樀甀猀琀ഊViking there: ਀ഊhttp://www.northerner.com/histglass.html ਀ഊThe history glass goes all the way through the Renaissance. It's ਀攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 ⠀洀漀爀攀 昀漀爀 猀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 琀栀愀渀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀琀攀洀猀 ⴀ 愀 ∀爀甀猀栀 挀甀瀀∀ഊwill set you back $12 + $15 or so for shipping. ਀ഊMy husband and my soon-to-be Laurel each ordered me a Frankish glass for ਀琀栀攀 栀漀氀椀搀愀礀猀 ⴀ 氀甀挀欀椀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 攀愀挀栀 漀爀搀攀爀攀搀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 猀琀礀氀攀⸀  吀栀攀ഊglasses are works of art, incredibly beautiful - and very ਀愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀ⴀ最攀琀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ 䌀氀漀琀椀氀搀 漀昀 匀漀椀猀猀漀渀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:01:52 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 爀洀栀漀眀攀 㰀洀愀最渀甀猀洀 愀琀 渀挀猀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊOrganization: Windmaster's Hill, Atlantia, and the GDH ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀挀爀愀昀琀猀洀愀渀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 愀琀 漀甀爀 挀漀爀漀渀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀椀猀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀 昀漀爀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀ഊand saw a rather rare glass craftsman. I've only seen one better and ਀栀攀 搀椀搀 挀氀愀眀 戀攀愀欀攀爀猀⸀ 吀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 愀 氀漀渀最 琀椀洀攀 愀最漀⸀ഊ ਀䠀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 䜀氀愀猀猀眀漀爀欀猀 戀礀 䄀爀愀戀 䈀漀礀ഊJason Klein ਀㄀㘀　　 夀愀氀攀 倀氀愀挀攀ഊBrick, N.J. 098723 (732) 458 1157 ਀ഊThis person had various drinking horns in pale green and green glass. ਀匀漀洀攀 眀攀爀攀 眀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀⸀ 䠀攀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 ഊsmall bowls suitable for cups, lamps or small bowls you don't usually ਀猀攀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 栀漀爀渀猀 眀攀爀攀 琀漀甀最栀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 愀 搀爀漀瀀 昀爀漀洀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀ഊfeet onto the ground and not break. He also had various styles of ਀戀攀愀欀攀爀猀⸀ 䈀甀琀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 愀渀礀 挀氀愀眀攀搀 戀攀愀欀攀爀猀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 栀攀✀猀 ഊattempted those speaking with him. The prices seemed reasonable. ਀ഊI'm not associated in any way, but this is rather a rarity. ਀䤀昀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 昀漀氀欀猀 眀攀爀攀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 猀甀挀栀 猀琀甀昀昀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀渀ഊopportunity. ਀䄀渀礀眀愀礀 椀琀 眀愀猀 眀漀爀琀栀 渀漀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀最渀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:45:31 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀甀猀愀渀 䨀⸀ 䔀瘀愀渀猀∀ 㰀眀漀漀昀椀攀猀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 氀椀渀欀猀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 氀椀渀欀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀⸀  䤀✀洀 愀猀猀甀洀椀渀最 礀漀甀 洀攀愀渀 琀栀攀 ഊ"stained" as in "painted and fired in a kiln" type glass? ਀ഊSusannah Potter ਀ഊhttp://www.bsmgp.org.uk/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀爀琀最氀愀猀猀ⴀ猀漀甀爀挀攀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊhttp://www.warner-criv.com/ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀爀琀最氀愀猀猀㄀⸀挀漀洀⼀愀戀漀甀琀⸀栀琀洀ഊhttp://stainedglass.org/ ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　　 　㠀㨀㌀㌀㨀㈀㜀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: Lynn Meyer ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: stained glass URL's--?? ਀ഊFrom: "Patricia Hefner" ਀㸀䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 最漀漀搀 圀攀戀 猀椀琀攀猀 漀渀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 漀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ>glassmaking in general? If you do please let me know. Thanks in advance. ਀㸀ഊ>Isabelle de Foix ਀ഊA SCAdian has put together a bibliography on sourcebooks for glassworkers at ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀最攀漀挀椀琀椀攀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀匀漀䠀漀⼀䜀愀氀氀攀爀礀⼀㜀㈀㐀㤀⼀戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊand a list of historic and modern glass links at ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀最攀漀挀椀琀椀攀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀匀漀䠀漀⼀䜀愀氀氀攀爀礀⼀㜀㈀㐀㤀⼀最氀椀渀欀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀渀 匀䌀䄀 最氀愀猀猀ⴀ眀漀爀欀攀爀猀✀ 氀椀猀琀 ⠀瀀爀椀洀愀爀椀氀礀 戀攀愀搀ⴀ洀愀欀攀爀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀⤀ഊ-- to join, send a message with the word ਀    猀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀ഊin the body to compagnia-digest-request at phosphor-ink.com ਀ഊIn service, ਀䠀愀氀椀洀愀ഊ ਀洀漀搀攀爀渀㨀 䰀礀渀渀 䴀攀礀攀爀Ⰰ 匀椀氀椀挀漀渀 嘀愀氀氀攀礀Ⰰ 渀漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 䌀䄀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀ഊSCA: Halima de la Lucha, Crosston, Mists, West ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　　 ㄀　㨀㈀㔀㨀㈀㤀 ⬀　㄀　　ഊFrom: "Melanie Wilson" ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䰀䤀匀吀 匀挀愀 䄀爀琀猀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀Ⰰഊ "LIST Encampments" , ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䘀眀㨀 吀栀攀 䈀漀洀昀漀爀搀 䌀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 䄀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䜀氀愀猀猀 椀猀 漀渀ⴀ氀椀渀攀℀℀ഊ ਀㸀䨀甀猀琀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 眀栀漀 洀愀礀 戀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 猀甀挀栀 琀栀椀渀最猀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀ഊknow that our important collection of 200+ pre-Roman and Roman glass ਀愀爀琀攀昀愀挀琀猀 愀渀搀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 挀愀渀 渀漀眀 戀攀 瘀椀攀眀攀搀⼀猀攀愀爀挀栀攀搀 漀渀ⴀ氀椀渀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最ഊaddress: ਀㸀ഊ>http://www.bristol-city.gov.uk/cgi-bin/w3menu?C+CMM21900+BG+F+CMM00107+CMM0 ਀㄀㌀　㐀⬀䌀䴀䴀　㄀㠀　㈀⬀䌀䴀䴀㈀㄀㠀　㄀ഊ> ਀㸀倀氀攀愀猀攀 挀椀爀挀甀氀愀琀攀 琀漀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 洀愀礀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀℀℀ഊ> ਀㸀䘀漀爀 愀渀礀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 椀渀昀漀 漀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀爀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 椀琀攀洀猀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀ഊSue Giles at sue_giles at bristol-city.gov.uk or on 0117 922 3587 ਀㸀ഊ>Gail Boyle ਀㸀䈀爀椀猀琀漀氀 䌀椀琀礀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 ☀ 䄀爀琀 䜀愀氀氀攀爀礀ഊ ਀䴀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊSubject: ANST - Venetian Glass ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㠀㨀㔀㘀㨀㌀　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "jeffery.hartley" ਀吀漀㨀 ∀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 氀椀猀琀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 椀猀猀甀攀 漀昀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀 䰀愀戀漀爀愀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 昀爀攀攀 洀愀最猀 䤀 最攀琀 愀琀ഊwork because they are loaded with adds, has a short article entitled ਀∀䄀爀挀栀攀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 攀氀攀挀琀爀漀渀 洀椀挀爀漀瀀爀漀戀攀㨀 吀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊof glassmaking in the Venetian lagoon". They compare the analysis of glass ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀爀攀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 琀椀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀猀⸀  䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 愀 挀漀瀀礀Ⰰ 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 洀攀ഊpersonally and I will attempt to send a PDF file to you. ਀ഊGeof ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　㐀 ㄀　㨀㐀㘀㨀㌀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: jah at twcny.rr.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䄀渀搀愀氀甀猀椀愀渀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀ഊThe Corning Glass museum a year or so ago ਀  栀愀搀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 眀攀椀最栀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀爀攀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 愀 最爀攀攀渀ഊ glass, and one was a "ratl"! ਀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 攀渀氀椀最栀琀椀渀最 琀漀 猀攀攀⸀ഊ ਀  䨀甀氀攀猀⼀䌀愀琀愀氀椀渀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:29:32 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀氀愀椀渀攀 䬀漀漀最氀攀爀 㰀攀欀漀漀最氀攀爀㄀ 愀琀 挀漀洀挀愀猀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Period Glass ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䜀攀渀琀氀攀 䌀漀甀猀椀渀猀ⰀഊI am not in the habit of advertising for a merchant, and would not do so ਀栀攀爀攀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 昀攀攀氀 挀漀洀瀀攀氀氀攀搀 琀漀ഊshare with you. Though not part of the SCA, this individual creates ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀戀樀攀挀琀猀 椀渀 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 猀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 挀栀愀爀最攀猀Ⰰ 栀椀猀 瀀爀椀挀攀猀ഊare quite exceptional. His work is all handblown and ranges from Roman ਀琀椀洀攀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀⸀  䄀氀氀 漀昀 椀琀 椀猀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀ഊbeautifully done. ਀ഊIf you'd care to see his work, you can go to his web site at ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀ⴀ戀攀猀琀⸀挀稀⼀漀渀氀椀渀攀猀栀漀瀀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀䠀攀 椀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 最漀漀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 眀椀琀栀Ⰰ 琀愀欀椀渀最 挀愀爀攀 漀昀 漀爀搀攀爀猀 瘀攀爀礀ഊpromptly...they usually take 7 - 10 days to arrive. I will have an ਀攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 漀昀 栀椀猀 眀漀爀欀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀 愀琀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀渀 吀眀攀氀昀琀栀 一椀最栀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最ഊto be there and want to see his work "up close and personal"...a pair of ਀漀椀氀 氀愀洀瀀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 眀爀漀甀最栀琀 椀爀漀渀 猀琀愀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:55:49 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀氀愀椀渀攀 䬀漀漀最氀攀爀 㰀攀欀漀漀最氀攀爀㄀ 愀琀 挀漀洀挀愀猀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] [Fwd: Happy Christmas] ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀匀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 漀昀 礀漀甀 愀猀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 眀攀戀 猀椀琀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀戀氀漀眀攀爀 昀爀漀洀ഊCzechoslovakia...I passed your thoughts on to him, and here is is ਀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 漀爀搀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 栀椀洀Ⰰ 䤀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 猀攀渀搀 栀椀洀 愀渀ഊe-mail with the item number and price. What he does for me is takes my ਀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 昀椀最甀爀攀猀 漀甀琀 猀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 挀漀猀琀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀攀琀猀 洀攀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 䤀ഊowe him...this I pay through PayPal, a very simple, secure site for this ਀瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 椀搀攀愀猀 漀爀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 攀椀琀栀攀爀 氀攀琀 栀椀洀 欀渀漀眀 漀爀 氀攀琀 洀攀ഊknow and I'll pass them on. ਀ഊKiri ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䄀爀琀攀洀椀猀椀愀∀ 㰀欀攀爀爀椀戀攀爀渀栀愀爀搀 愀琀 挀漀洀挀愀猀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: alt.crafts.blacksmithing,rec.org.sca,alt.fairs.renaissance ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䐀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 嘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 漀昀 䈀礀最漀渀攀 䐀愀礀猀ഊDate: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:00:10 -0800 ਀ഊ"Jeffs/Etc." wrote: ਀㸀 伀甀琀 漀昀 挀甀爀椀漀猀椀琀礀Ⰰ 愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀 猀椀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 最漀漀搀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ> glassware? (In particular, I'm looking for the painted glassware that ਀㸀 椀猀 愀眀昀甀氀氀礀 爀攀洀椀渀椀猀挀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀瘀攀渀椀爀 最氀愀猀猀攀猀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 戀甀礀 愀琀 愀渀礀 洀愀樀漀爀ഊ> tourist attraction...) ਀㸀ഊ> Jeffs/etc. ਀ഊThis isn't a website, but if you can get ahold of a copy of "Glass of the ਀匀甀氀琀愀渀猀∀ 戀礀 吀栀攀 䴀攀琀爀漀瀀漀氀椀琀愀渀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䄀爀琀 愀渀搀 吀栀攀 䌀漀爀渀椀渀最 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䜀氀愀猀猀Ⰰ ഊit has a lot of great painted islamic glass. The cover art is a painted ਀最氀愀猀猀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀氀漀爀昀甀氀 戀椀爀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 氀椀渀欀猀 昀爀漀洀 䌀䴀漀䜀⸀漀爀最ഊhttp://www.cmog.org/usr/Catalog/99/99_1_1_lg.jpg A painted bowl from the ਀㤀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀ഊhttp://www.cmog.org/usr/Catalog/53/53_3_38_lg.jpg European painted glass ਀昀爀漀洀 嘀攀渀椀挀攀 ㄀㔀　　ⴀ㄀㔀㈀㔀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䴀攀琀⸀⸀⸀ഊhttp://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/slpg/hd_slpg.htm Stained, or ਀䰀甀猀琀攀爀ⴀ倀愀椀渀琀攀搀Ⰰ 䜀氀愀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 䤀猀氀愀洀椀挀 䰀愀渀搀猀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀 琀爀礀 吀栀攀 䈀爀椀琀椀猀栀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 愀琀 眀眀眀⸀琀栀攀戀爀椀琀椀猀栀洀甀猀攀甀洀⸀愀挀⸀甀欀 ⴀ 䤀 搀椀搀 愀 焀甀椀挀欀 ഊsearch on painted drinking glass and got 7 examples. ਀ഊThe Germans were real big on painted glass too. Do a Google on "Humpen" and ਀礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 昀椀渀搀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 06:54:02 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀洀愀最渀甀猀漀氀 㰀䴀䴀愀最渀甀猀伀䰀 愀琀 渀挀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: [SCA-AS] Corning Museum of Glass | Rakow Research Library | ਀ऀ䄀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 刀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀ഊTo: - SCA-ARTS ਀ഊI was looking for an Index to Journal of Glass ਀匀琀甀搀椀攀猀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䌀漀爀渀椀渀最 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䜀氀愀猀猀ഊand apparently hit on a great research base-site ਀昀漀爀 洀愀渀礀 愀爀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀最渀甀猀Ⰰ 伀䰀ഊ ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀洀漀最⸀漀爀最⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀愀猀瀀㼀瀀愀最攀䤀搀㴀㄀　㜀　㸀ഊ ਀ഊSubject: [EKMetalsmiths] Digest Number 1000 ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䄀瀀爀椀氀 ㄀㘀Ⰰ ㈀　　㜀 㐀㨀㔀㌀㨀㔀㤀 䄀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: EKMetalsmiths at yahoogroups.com ਀刀攀㨀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀愀爀攀渀琀 爀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀ഊPosted by: "Dan Brewer" danqualman at gmail.com ਀ഊHere is a company that sells a good quality glass. ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀甀氀氀猀攀礀攀最氀愀猀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀挀漀渀渀攀挀琀椀漀渀⼀瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀⼀ ഊ ਀䐀愀渀 椀渀 䄀甀戀甀爀渀 圀䄀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:34:38 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀琀甀搀漀爀瀀漀琀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀∀ 㰀琀甀搀漀爀瀀漀琀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Who gets in free to feasts. ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 䠀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 洀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 愀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀ⴀ最氀愀猀猀 ∀猀挀爀漀氀氀∀㼀 吀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀  ഊuse some of that window space. :-) ਀ഊStefan >>> ਀ഊAt a recent elevation to Knight in Ealdomere - Sir Wat's scroll ਀挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 吀愀爀椀愀渀 眀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 椀渀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀䘀爀攀搀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:10:24 EST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀琀愀渀稀愀㘀㤀㌀ 愀琀 眀洀挀漀渀渀攀挀琀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Stained Glass (was: Who gets in Free) ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀伀伀伀伀漀漀漀漀漀℀  匀琀愀椀渀攀搀 最氀愀猀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 猀漀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀⸀  伀甀爀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 戀愀爀漀渀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 愀 ഊstained glass "scroll" for his Knighthood. It was gorgeous! ਀ⴀⴀഊConstanza ਀䐀爀愀最漀渀猀猀瀀椀渀攀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris glasswork-msg Page 33 of 33 ਀ഊ