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Stained glass, glass etching. glassblowing. glassbeads.
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From: kreyling at lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966)
Subject: Re: Glass etching
Organization: Loral Data Systems
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 16:25:59 GMT
st1xe at elroy.uh.edu (Brown, Derek S) writes:
>Does anyone know how period glass etching would be?
>
>William Silke (Ansteorra)
Greetings William,
At last a question I know something about! ;^)
Well lets see, your question is a little vague but I'll give it a try. In the
fifteenth to seventeenth centuries period stained glass used a type of glass
called "flashed glass" which was a thin layer (about 1mm) of colored glass
(usually read or blue) placed on a thicker layer of clear glass. Then to aid
in the overall look of the piece some or all of the colored glass was removed
from the colored strata.
See "Stained Glass" by Lawrence Lee or "Windows" by Day.
For clear glass (ie goblet or bottle) etching you can find sources that show
diamond or copper wheel etching. The diamond tip etching was usually done using
a hand tool much like a pen. The process is also called stippling and shading
in some books. You can get a good starter kit from a Swiss company called
"TB glass etching tools". I have found them in some of the larger craft stores. But they are hard to find. I have heard but not yet seen documentation on
apprentice driven rotating diamond tip etching tools. (Much like dremmel tools
diamond wheel glass etching tools. Except that I do not believe the period
machine reached the speeds achieved by dremmel. ;^)) I cannot remember the
source I used for my documentation at the moment but I believe the title was
simple "Glass Etching".
I hope this answers your question. If your question was more of a how intricate
or how good did it look? I can site an example where Germany wanted to start a
German glass guild in the 16th century. After some negotiations with Venice
including non-competition agreements in certain areas, Venice sent Germany a
large glass bowl with all the instructions engraved arround the bowl for the
construction and use of a glass works. The pictorials described in detail how
to build the kilns, how much wood and rushes to cut for the work, glass mixture
formulas ...
Let me know if I can help further. I have some instructional materials, on
paper not glass ;^). That I would be glad to mail you if you can send me
your postal address.
I have a Laurel in Stained and Etched glass.
Erik.
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Sarasota,Fl. USA | Kingdom of Trimaris, SCA
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From: UCCXDEM <UCCXDEM at MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Glass etching
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center, Stillwater OK
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 15:04:00 GMT
>Well lets see, your question is a little vague but I'll give it a try. In the
>fifteenth to seventeenth centuries period stained glass used a type of glass
>called "flashed glass" which was a thin layer (about 1mm) of colored glass
>(usually read or blue) placed on a thicker layer of clear glass. Then to aid
>in the overall look of the piece some or all of the colored glass was removed
>from the colored strata.
>
>See "Stained Glass" by Lawrence Lee or "Windows" by Day.
>Erik.
Greetings unto the Rialto and unto Master Erik from Marke.
I beg to differ on the definition on flashed glass. The base glass was
a 'muff' glass which was a white color ( not clear .) My sources are
_Stained Glass_ by Sarah Brown, curator and restoration of stained
glass. London and _De Diversis Artibus_ by Theophilus, a translation
The treatise by Theophilus is a period manuscript written in the 12th
century.
Marke
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From: kreyling at lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966)
Subject: Re: Glass etching
Organization: Loral Data Systems
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 14:56:46 GMT
In article <19931012090452UCCXDEM at MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU> UCCXDEM <UCCXDEM at MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU> writes:
>Greetings unto the Rialto and unto Master Erik from Marke.
>I beg to differ on the definition on flashed glass. The base glass was
>a 'muff' glass which was a white color ( not clear .) My sources are
>_Stained Glass_ by Sarah Brown, curator and restoration of stained
> glass. London
>and
>_De Diversis Artibus_ by Theophilus, a translation
>The treatise by Theophilus is a period manuscript written in the 12th
>century.
> Marke
Quite right, I was having a time cramp. I have not found any flashed glass
on white, except black on white. The three most available colors in this
area are red, blue, or green on clear glass. If you engrave them with diamond
or copperwheel engravers the effect is a snowy looking backround (not clear).
Erik.
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Sarasota,Fl. USA | Kingdom of Trimaris, SCA
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From: kreyling at lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966)
Subject: Re: Glass etching ???
Organization: Loral Data Systems
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 23:43:35 GMT
In article st1xe at jane.uh.edu (William Silke) writes:
>Does anyone know how period glass etching is? I would think the Middle
>Eastern countries might have glass etching since their chemistry
>(i.e. alchemy) seemed more advanced than Western Europe for most of
>history. Anyone?
>
>William Silke (Ansteorra)
I have been able to find documentation of Diamond tipped engraving; copper
wheel engraving; and a process called abration. But I can not seem to find
any dates on acid etching. Every book I have on glass mentions the dangers
of acid etching "don't try this at home" but none of the books gives a date
for the beginning of acid etching.
Erik.
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Ed Kreyling | Master Erik of Telemark O.L.,O.P.
kreyling at world.lds.loral.com | Shire of Brineside Moor
Sarasota,Fl. USA | Kingdom of Trimaris, SCA
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From: beckum at aol.com (BECKUM)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Info on Glass Blowing needed!
Date: 24 Jun 1995 15:11:12 -0400
Your in luck, here is the address of my Baron whom does glass blowing as
well as stained \ leaded glass work and glass beads:
Syr Thomas ap Llewellyn
MKA: Thomas Williams
10160 Allen Rd.
Pickerington, OH 43147
E-Mail address:
tjw at cblph.att.com
Best of Luck
Beckum
From: david.razler at compudata.com (DAVID RAZLER)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Spectacles
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 01:57:00 -0400
Organization: Compu-Data BBS -=- Turnersville, NJ -=- 609-232-1245
VG>I seem to remember seeing something on period
VG>sunglasses...actually they should have been possible, if
VG>you can make stained-glass windows, you can make colored
VG>lenses--any color...
VG>Ellsbeth Lachlanina MacLabhruinn
The photophobe here - Thanks but - Yes, dark-colored and
actual "stained" glass* came before glasses, but did they
really exist?
*
Authenticity note here: MOST colored glass bits held
together with lead came are NOT stained glass. It is a
misuse of the word run rampant in our lower-case s society.
Stained glass is clear or colored glass painted with a
solution of silver nitrate dissolved in water and then put
in a kiln - where the chemicals react and produce a
permanent yellow-to-dark-brown color.
The other stuff is beautiful, lasts for centuries if
treated right, but is NOT stained! (it is dyed at the time
of manufacture) Also, a lot of period through modern-day
stuff is painted, colored glass. Look for chipping of old
dark paint to know for sure.
In Trivia
Aleksandr the Traveller
[david.razler at compudata.com]
From: alysk at ix.netcom.com(Elise Fleming )
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Patterns for Stained glass
Date: 2 Jul 1996 13:06:14 GMT
a013957t at bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Kellen Harkins) writes:
>I'm looking for suggestions for locating patterns for stained glass.
Dover Books has (had?) a children's book entitled "Stained Glass" (I
think!). The pages are translucent and one is encouraged to color
them. Most of the pictures are religious but they are copies of actual
stained glass windows.
Alys Katharine
From: Pat McGregor <patriciaX_O_McGregor at ccm.fm.intel.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Patterns for Stained glass
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 11:05:23 -0700
Organization: Intel IT Technical Publications
Greetings from siobhan!
Lady Kellen Oddsdottir wrote:
>
> I'm looking for suggestions for locating patterns for stained glass. I'd
> prefer not to do straight religious pieces but a small rose window would
> wonderful... Most of the research I've done is all 2nd and 3rd sources...
> Any suggestions?
When last I visited the York Minster, there was some sort of restoration
going on on one of the Seven Sisters. As a part of this, the glass
restoration company had a display of what the patterns they were using
were. Someone had apparently taken many close pictures and then
drawn detailed patterns of the windows.
I asked if there were manuals or patterns existing, and the craftsman
who was talking said that in some churches there were oiled paper
patterns that had apparently been used at one point, but that most
of the patterns disappeared in time.
You might check with York Minster; alternately, perhaps one or more
of our cousins in Drachenwald might know of a guild which might
have more info.
regards,
siobhan
From: Joe Wolf <"JOE.B.WOLF" at conoco.dupont.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: (Bone sewing kit, who can help?) How about glass?
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:45:10 -0700
Organization: Conoco, Inc. - IT Sourcing/Purchasing
Sekhmet wrote:
> I recently decided I wanted my whole take-to-events-sewing-kit as period
> as I can get it. I decided I needed a box made out of bone to keep my
> needles in. I'm still looking for information on boneworking, both
> mundane and period, and I was wondering if anyone has come across what
> an actual period sewing kit consisted of? I'm thinking 12th century, but
> information about any time period is welcome.
My Lady (Her Ladyship Teleri ferch Pawl) here in Ansteorra is known for
her lampworked glass beads and bottles. The earliest bottles were
formed by encasing a core with molten glass (not blowing!). She has
small glass bottles, beautifully decorated, that many gentles here use
as needle cases! (Also as salt cellars, perfume/oil containers, etc) She
does merchant these small, and completely period treasures!
(Interesting note: she uses Venetian glass from a factory that has been
in constant production for the past 500 years! So in truth, her
materials are period!)
If you are interested in obtaining a period, small, glass container
contact Teleri at esmitman at ghg.net We have some pictures we could scan
and send via e-mail.
Lord Manfred Wolf mka Joe Wolf
Barony of the StarGate, Ansteorra Houston, TX
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:46:36 -0500
From: Caitlin Cheannlaidir <caitlin at phosphor-ink.com>
To: "'sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu'" <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>
Subject: RE: Glass beads
Try:
The History of Beads: From 30,000 BC to th e Present, Lois Sherr Durbin
The Glass Beads of the Prehistoric and Roman Periods in Britain and
Ireland, Margaret Guido
I've got others here on the shelf; what do you already have?
There's a new SCAdian glassworkers' list forming; if you'd like to pose
your question there, you can subscribe by sending "subscribe" in the body
of a message to compagnia-request at phosphor-ink.com.
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From: johnrose at icubed.com (john rose)
Subject: Re: Acid etched glass
David Serhienko <tigycho at earthlink.net> wrote:
>Is the use of various acid based concoctions for the frosting and
>etching of glass in any sense period?
Acid etch usually uses some variant of hydroflouric acid, which as best I
recall, is not period. Diamond engraving is.
There is another glass etching technique that uses hide glue to create
patterns. You see it as feathery patterns on old office door panes, etc.
The materials and methods are all compatible with the SCA period, but I have
not come across any examples.
The glue method is easy. You paint the glue on, let it air dry, and then bake
the glass to about 150F until the glue desicates. The glass then spalls off as
the glue peels away.
Anybody seen this stuff around anywhere?
Master John the Artificer
From: Eric & Lissa McCollum <ericmc at primenet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Acid etched glass
Date: 29 Jun 1998 22:36:01 -0700
David Serhienko wrote:
> Is the use of various acid based concoctions for the frosting and
> etching of glass in any sense period?
It has been a couple of years since I did the research
so I can't lay my hands on my sources right now--but
no, acid etching of glass is not period. (I'd love
to be proved wrong though!)
That said...diamond engraving of glass *is*. One
source (Glass by George Savage) states that diamond
engraving of glass began in Venice around 1560, and
quickly spread. This advance coincided with an
improvement in the quality of glass produced. The
book has several examples pictured, including a
beaker dated 1594 that pictures the Holy Roman Emporer
Rudolf II and the electors--with their arms. I used
it as documentation to engrave my arms on a drinking
goblet. I picked up the diamond stylus at my local
craft store.
Gwendolen Wold
From: DC <uboru at erols.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Acid etched glass
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:00:57 -0400
What's being described is known as "glue chip glass" and should be
readily available from any dealer who carries stained glass materials.
The way it was described to me is that the glue is dropped onto the
glass when it is still in a semi liquid form.
From: Carrie Schutrick <caos+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Acid etched glass
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:38:59 -0400
Organization: Housing Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
>The glue method is easy. You paint the glue on, let it air dry, and then bake
>the glass to about 150F until the glue desicates. The glass then spalls off as
>the glue peels away.
>Anybody seen this stuff around anywhere?
It's really easy to find in stores that provide stained glass supplies--ask
for "gluechip." You can get it in a variety of degrees of "chippedness,"
and the places with better stock will sell twice- and thrice-chipped glass
as well as once-chipped.
Which brings up an interesting question: what colors and patterns of
stained glass are period? I assume that the fancy Tiffanies, with streamers
and so on, are not period, but are we limited to solid colors? What about
patterns for a piece? All my mother's pattern books are very heavily
Victorian and Art Deco influenced.
--Jeannette de Beauvior
*****Carrie Schutrick--caos at andrew.cmu.edu--Pittsburgh PA--CMU*****
<http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~caos>;
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From: johnrose at icubed.com (john rose)
Subject: Re: Acid etched glass
Organization: extrude hone
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:36:27 GMT
Carrie Schutrick <caos+ at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>>The glue method is easy. You paint the glue on, let it air dry, and then bake
>>the glass to about 150F until the glue desicates. The glass then spalls
>off as
>>the glue peels away.