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fabric-paint-msg - 7/13/99


Fabric painting in the SCA and period.


NOTE: See also the files: applique-msg, embroidery-msg, emb-blackwork-msg, beadwork-msg, banners-msg, tapestries-msg.





This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I  have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.


This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org


I have done  a limited amount  of  editing. Messages having to do  with separate topics  were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the  message IDs  were removed to save space and remove clutter.


The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make  no claims  as  to the accuracy  of  the information  given  by the individual authors.


Please respect the time  and  efforts of  those who have written  these messages. The copyright status  of these messages  is  unclear  at this time. If information  is  published  from  these  messages, please give credit to the originator(s).


Thank you,

   Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                         Stefan at florilegium.org



From: dalton at ea.net (Nancy Dalton)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,soc.history.medieval

Subject: Re: Silk Banners

Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:59:11 GMT


david_key at vnet.ibm.com (Dave Key) wrote:

>>Dave, can you please provide the source citation for this

>>information? A number of good folk local to the Barony of the

>>Steppes are seeking to increase their documentation of the use of

>>painted fabric "in period".


There is another book that discusses painting fabrics:


The Crafsman's Handbook "Il Libro dell' Arte"

by Cennino dAndrea Cennini and translated by Daniel V. Thompson, Jr.

LOC catalog card #: 54-3194


It is an instruction book for artists on several subjects some of

which are block printing on fabrics and painting wall hangings.

It was originally published in Italian in 1437.


I bought it on a whim and found it more useful than I'd dared to hope.


Nancy Dalton

aka Earnwynn van Zwaluwenburg



Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: cathal at netcom.com (James Pratt)

Subject: Re: Silk Banners

Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)

Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:31:13 GMT


Cathal to All, Greetings:


       On the subject of "painted" fabrics as decoration let me

recommend the following:


       _Painted Tapestry and its application to Interior Decoration_

       Julien Gordon

       London, Spotteswoode & CO., 1885 (?)


       My copy was damaged ( at #$%) before I purchased it and the

illustrations were removed.  However most of the text is intact

with the sections on tools and technique complete.


       The book itself was used as a text in the National Art

Taining School in London for the 1889-90 session as is testified by

the "student" ticket which was pasted into the cover.  BTW

the cost of the course (which lasted five months and met five days

each week) was. . .1 pound and two shillings.



Cathal Mac Edan na faeled

Barony of the South Downs, Meridies

(James Pratt, Atlanta, GA USA)



From: david_key at vnet.ibm.com (Dave Key)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,soc.history.medieval

Subject: Re: Silk Banners

Date: 19 Aug 1996 08:10:28 GMT

Organization: IBM UK Laboratories Ltd.


dalton at ea.net (Nancy Dalton) writes:

>Dave, can you please provide the source citation for this information?


Whilst I do agree that Cennini is one of the most importatnt sources

for painting a banner ... the actual request for source

info was for a specific painted standard from Ghent (unfortunately the

relevant text seems to have got lost).


Sorry for the delay ... the Ghent standard was painted by Agnes van den

Bossche & is in the Bijlokemuseum in Ghent. The source I got was from

C.Harbison, 'The Art of the Northern Renaissance'

pub. Everyman 1995 (ISBN 0297 83362 6)


Unfortunately the only detail is a photo and footnotes ... does anyone have

more info on whether the museum has published details ???


There may well be more info on the Burgundian flags captured by the Swiss

in the 1470's in Deuchler's 'Die Burgunderbeute' 1963. I'm still waiting for this to come through on the inter-library loan system.





Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:34:18 -0700

From: Heather Senkler <wl835 at victoria.tc.ca>

Subject: Re: Info on banners needed


On 17 Apr 1998, Gyelle wrote:

> I want to make a standard and some pennants.  Does anyone have suggestions for

> the best paints or dyes to use?


> Gyelle


If you are not looking for period dyes or paints, I have used craft-store

fabric paints with great sucess. Just be sure that the paint is in fact

opaque. (I had my "red" and "green" show through once before I changed

brands.) My current stash of 14 colours is mostly Palmer Prism acrylic

permanent water-reducible paint. You can find similar stuff at any

Lewiscraft or Michaels.


My three-year-old war banner still looks sharp!


Lady Ekatarina Borisovna,

Chatelaine of Seagirt,

An Tir



Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:50:27 -0800

From: Eleanor of Leycestershyre <hekav at gte.net>

To: SCA Arts & Sciences <sca-arts at listproc.cc.ukans.edu>

Subject: Stencils...(somewhat OOP)


I found this site which has some interesting stencils for mailorder.

Check out the Medieval Magic and Architectural Elements.  I can think of

lots of fun ways these could be used in dressing up one's encampment,

and other things!







Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:11:31 -0500 (EST)

From: Grace Morris <gmorris at cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Italian Ren and fabric painting?


On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Jenne Heise wrote:

> Question: I know  that decorating fabric by painting or stamping is period

> for some times and places. Would painting on fabric be an appropriate

> decoration for an Italian Renaissance-style masquerade gown?


> Jadwiga Zajaczkowa (Shire of Eisental; HERMS Cyclonus), mka Jennifer Heise

> jenne at tulgey.browser.net


Many of the extant examples of block printing and painting on fabric are

from this time period.  Since the intent is to imitate more expensive

fabrics, the designs are not pictorial but look "woven".  It would seem

to me entirely logical to use just these techniques for a "temporary"



Jessmayn di Piemonte



Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:02:37 -0500 (EST)

From: Grace Morris <gmorris at cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: RE: Italian Ren and fabric painting?


On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Gray, Heather wrote:

> Would you have cites/sources for the examples of block printing on

> fabric?  I would love to see them if  it isn't too much trouble.


> Elwynne


This is the bibliography from I class I do on pattern/design on fabrics,

sort of a good fabric-bad fabric class.  I really can't tell which of

these books show the painted examples, but I know that I mention them in

my handout, so one of these sources was fruitful. Sorry I can't be more

specific. However, I took pictures of some really wonderful

block-printed linen in the museum in Copenhagen.


Jessamyn di Piemonte




Christie, Archibald H.  (1929)  Pattern Design:  An Introducation to the=20

Study of Formal Ornament,  2nd Ed..  (1969) NY:  Dover Books


Conran, Terence.  (1957)  Printed Textile Design.  London:  The Studio, Ltd.


Harris, Jennifer (Ed.) (1993)  Textiles:  5,000 Years.  NY:  Harry Abrams


Jaques, Renate and Flemming, Ernst.  (1958)  Encyclopedia of Textiles.

[Decorative Fabrics from Antiquity to the Beginning of the 19th Century,

including the Far East and Peru]  NY:  Frederick A Praeger


Los Angeles, CA  (1966)  Velvets East and West from the 14th to the 20th

Century. [An exhibition assembled from the collection of the Los Angeles

County Museum of Art Lytton Gallery:  March -May 1966]


Mayer, Christa Charlotte.  (1969)  Masterpieces of Western Textiles from

The Art Institute of Chicago.  Chicago:  The Art Institute of Chicago


Monnas, Lisa.  (1987)  The Artists and Weavers:  The design of woven

silks in Italy 1350-1550.  Appollo, June 1987, 416-424


Riboud, Krishna. (1976)  An Newly Excavated Caftan from the Northern

Caucasus. Textile Museum Journal, Vol IV, No.3, 21-42


Wilson, Kax.  (1979)  A History of Textiles.  NY: Westview Press


Wearden, Jennifer.  (1985)  Sigmund von Herberstein:  An Italian Velvet

in the Ottoman Court.=D3  Costume, n.19. 22-29


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