p-markets-msg - 10/22/06 Medieval markets. NOTE: See also the files: commerce-msg, occupations-msg, p-spice-trade-msg, silk-road-msg, Med-Merchants-CA, coins-msg, fairs-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:23:48 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to Estrella... To: "Cooks within the SCA" >> We are starting to call "merchants row" the more period term of >> "market" > What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"? > > De Um... Newmarket, Haymarket areas in London, as well as town names. Market Platz and market square is still a fairly common designation in German and English villages. I spent some time in the old Marktplatz in Frankfurt, GE when we were stationed there. The OED seems to date it back to Anglo-Saxon times. "I. A place at which trade is conducted. 1. a. A meeting or gathering together of people for the purchase and sale of provisions or livestock, publicly displayed, at a fixed time and place; the occasion or time of this. Also: the people gathered at such a meeting. Freq. with article omitted after to, from, and at. Also fig. or in figurative context. high market Obs., the time when the market is busiest. lOE Anglo-Saxon Chron. (Laud) anno 963 Ic wille at markete beo in e selue tun. lOE Anglo-Saxon Chron. (Laud) (Peterborough contin.) anno 1125 c1275 Kentish Serm. in J. Hall Sel. Early Middle Eng. (1920) I. 220 So ha kam into e Marcatte so he fond werkmen et were idel. 1340 Ayenbite 215 God nele nat et me maki his hous marcat. c1400 (?a1300) King Alexander (Laud) 1513 A temple was in e markat of T[e]ruagaunt. c1477 CAXTON tr. Hist. Jason 79 They began a bataile upon the market. 1521 in J. W. Clay Testamenta Eboracensia (1902) VI. 4 A howse in the marketh. 1587 A. FLEMING et al. Holinshed's Chron. (new ed.) III. 1186/1 The tolboth in the market of Durham all of stone. 1656 A. COWLEY Isaiah XXXIV in Pindaric Odes v, Then shall the Market and the Pleading-place Be Choakt with Brambles and oregrown with grass. " Regina Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:27:00 -0500 From: "Terry Decker" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to Estrella... To: "Cooks within the SCA" Market derives from the Latin "mercatus" whose root, "merc-" means merchandise. The mercatus was a public place for the buying and selling of goods, usually trade of foodstuffs that could not be produced in town for goods that could not be produced in the country. All Roman cities had an area that served as a market and the concept and terminology was transferred into Roman Europe. The greatest of the Roman markets, the Mercatus Traiani, was completed about 110 CE and is the first of the megamart super malls. http://www.roman-empire.net/tours/rome/trajans-market.html Bear > What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"? > > De Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:39:24 -0500 From: "otsisto" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` To: "Cooks within the SCA" From my understanding of market is that it is a place of food produce vendors and the non food vendor areas were called bazaars. In England there were specific places established for the "market" (boroughs [?]) Fish market, meat market... Somewhat like Faire means that you have livestock present for buying and selling and the festival for celebration. Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:22:15 -0400 From: Johnna Holloway Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to Estrella... To: Cooks within the SCA One place to look without getting into all the economic literature about markets and economics would be to take a look at the history section in the Yale University Press book The British Market Hall A Social and Architectural History by James Schmiechen and Kenneth Carls While the book talks about the building of the halls, it talks about the markets that were in place prior to the buildings. Johnnae Regina wrote: > Um... Newmarket, Haymarket areas in London, as well as town names. > snipped The OED seems to date it back to Anglo-Saxon > times."I. A place at which trade is conducted. >> What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"? De >> >> -----Original Message----- >> We are starting to call "merchants row" the more period term of >> "market" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:56:32 -0500 From: "Terry Decker" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` To: "Cooks within the SCA" The Medieval usage of market is the most common of modern usages, "a public gathering for buying and selling mechandise." While markets were used to sell food stuffs from the country in town, they were not limited to that purpose. The great fairs of Medieval Europe were market fairs where one could buy goods from all over Europe, food, textiles, spice, pins, pots, etc. While livestock was sold at fairs, more livestock was sold to the city slaughterhouses. Specialized markets (fish, meat, etc.) were opened in some towns to isolate noxious odors and provide general access to specialized services such as river piers. Some of the market streets occurred because guilds tended to group into a single parish for mutual support centered around the church that served the guild members. Boroughs are essentially townships. They began in Medieval times as a group of fortified houses that were granted special rights and privileges. Modernly, they are municipal corporations with privileges such as self government or they are a district which sends a member to Parliment. A bazaar is a market street of stalls and shops most commonly in the Middle East. The word derives from Persian into the Italian "bazarro." The earliest usage of the word in English I am aware of is from Haklyut in 1599. Bear >> From my understanding of market is that it is a place of food produce > vendors and the non food vendor areas were called bazaars. > In England there were specific places established for the "market" > (boroughs [?]) Fish market, meat market... > Somewhat like Faire means that you have livestock present for > buying and selling and the festival for celebration. > > What was the Medieval use of the term "market"? > > De Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:22:13 -0400 From: Johnna Holloway Subject: [Sca-cooks] Markets To: Cooks within the SCA Came across another book that I should have mentioned when the discussion was happening regarding markets. Since it deals with aspects of foods and has pretty pictures, here it is: Painting and the Market in Early Modern Antwerp by Elizabeth Alice Honing. Yale University Press, 1998. Johnnae Edited by Mark S. Harris p-markets-msg Page 4 of 4