p-markets-msg - 10/22/06 ਀ഊMedieval markets. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: commerce-msg, occupations-msg, p-spice-trade-msg, silk-road-msg, Med-Merchants-CA, coins-msg, fairs-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:23:48 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀圀愀渀搀愀 倀攀愀猀攀∀ 㰀眀愀渀搀愀瀀 愀琀 栀攀瘀愀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to ਀ऀ䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀⸀⸀⸀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊ>> We are starting to call "merchants row" the more period term of ਀㸀㸀 ∀洀愀爀欀攀琀∀ഊ> What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"? ਀㸀ഊ> De ਀ഊUm... Newmarket, Haymarket areas in London, as well as town names. Market ਀倀氀愀琀稀 愀渀搀 洀愀爀欀攀琀 猀焀甀愀爀攀 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 搀攀猀椀最渀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 愀渀搀ഊEnglish villages. I spent some time in the old Marktplatz in Frankfurt, GE ਀眀栀攀渀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 猀琀愀琀椀漀渀攀搀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀  吀栀攀 伀䔀䐀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 搀愀琀攀 椀琀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 䄀渀最氀漀ⴀ匀愀砀漀渀ഊtimes. ਀ഊ"I. A place at which trade is conducted. ਀ഊ 1. a. A meeting or gathering together of people for the purchase and ਀猀愀氀攀 漀昀 瀀爀漀瘀椀猀椀漀渀猀 漀爀 氀椀瘀攀猀琀漀挀欀Ⰰ 瀀甀戀氀椀挀氀礀 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀攀搀Ⰰ 愀琀 愀 昀椀砀攀搀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀ഊplace; the occasion or time of this. Also: the people gathered at such a ਀洀攀攀琀椀渀最⸀ 䘀爀攀焀⸀ 眀椀琀栀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 漀洀椀琀琀攀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀漀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀琀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀 昀椀最⸀ 漀爀 椀渀ഊfigurative context. ਀   栀椀最栀 洀愀爀欀攀琀 伀戀猀⸀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 洀愀爀欀攀琀 椀猀 戀甀猀椀攀猀琀⸀ഊ ਀氀伀䔀 䄀渀最氀漀ⴀ匀愀砀漀渀 䌀栀爀漀渀⸀ ⠀䰀愀甀搀⤀ 愀渀渀漀 㤀㘀㌀ 䤀挀 眀椀氀氀攀 愀琀 洀愀爀欀攀琀攀 戀攀漀 椀渀 攀 猀攀氀甀攀ഊtun. lOE Anglo-Saxon Chron. (Laud) (Peterborough contin.) anno 1125 ਀ഊc1275 Kentish Serm. in J. Hall Sel. Early Middle Eng. (1920) I. 220 So ha ਀欀愀洀 椀渀琀漀 攀 䴀愀爀挀愀琀琀攀 猀漀 栀攀 昀漀渀搀 眀攀爀欀洀攀渀 攀琀 眀攀爀攀 椀搀攀氀⸀ ㄀㌀㐀　 䄀礀攀渀戀椀琀攀 ㈀㄀㔀 䜀漀搀ഊnele nat et me maki his hous marcat. c1400 (?a1300) King Alexander (Laud) ਀㄀㔀㄀㌀ 䄀 琀攀洀瀀氀攀 眀愀猀 椀渀 攀 洀愀爀欀愀琀 漀昀 吀嬀攀崀爀甀愀最愀甀渀琀⸀ 挀㄀㐀㜀㜀 䌀䄀堀吀伀一 琀爀⸀ 䠀椀猀琀⸀ 䨀愀猀漀渀ഊ79 They began a bataile upon the market. 1521 in J. W. Clay Testamenta ਀䔀戀漀爀愀挀攀渀猀椀愀 ⠀㄀㤀　㈀⤀ 嘀䤀⸀ 㐀 䄀 栀漀眀猀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀愀爀欀攀琀栀⸀ ㄀㔀㠀㜀 䄀⸀ 䘀䰀䔀䴀䤀一䜀 攀琀 愀氀⸀ഊHolinshed's Chron. (new ed.) III. 1186/1 The tolboth in the market of Durham ਀愀氀氀 漀昀 猀琀漀渀攀⸀ ㄀㘀㔀㘀 䄀⸀ 䌀伀圀䰀䔀夀 䤀猀愀椀愀栀 堀堀堀䤀嘀 椀渀 倀椀渀搀愀爀椀挀 伀搀攀猀 瘀Ⰰ 吀栀攀渀 猀栀愀氀氀 琀栀攀ഊMarket and the Pleading-place Be Choakt with Brambles and oregrown with ਀最爀愀猀猀⸀ ∀ഊ ਀刀攀最椀渀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:27:00 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀吀攀爀爀礀 䐀攀挀欀攀爀∀ 㰀琀⸀搀⸀搀攀挀欀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to ਀ऀ䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀⸀⸀⸀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊMarket derives from the Latin "mercatus" whose root, "merc-" means ਀洀攀爀挀栀愀渀搀椀猀攀⸀  吀栀攀 洀攀爀挀愀琀甀猀 眀愀猀 愀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 瀀氀愀挀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 戀甀礀椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀攀氀氀椀渀最 漀昀ഊgoods, usually trade of foodstuffs that could not be produced in town for ਀最漀漀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀渀琀爀礀⸀  䄀氀氀 刀漀洀愀渀 挀椀琀椀攀猀 栀愀搀 愀渀ഊarea that served as a market and the concept and terminology was transferred ਀椀渀琀漀 刀漀洀愀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀 洀愀爀欀攀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䴀攀爀挀愀琀甀猀 吀爀愀椀愀渀椀Ⰰ 眀愀猀  ഊcompleted about 110 CE and is the first of the megamart super malls. ਀ഊhttp://www.roman-empire.net/tours/rome/trajans-market.html ਀ഊBear ਀ഊ> What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"? ਀㸀ഊ> De ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㔀㨀㌀㤀㨀㈀㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "otsisto" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 搀攀昀椀渀攀∀ 洀愀爀欀攀琀∀怀怀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊFrom my understanding of market is that it is a place of food produce ਀瘀攀渀搀漀爀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 渀漀渀 昀漀漀搀 瘀攀渀搀漀爀 愀爀攀愀猀 眀攀爀攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 戀愀稀愀愀爀猀⸀ഊIn England there were specific places established for the "market" (boroughs ਀嬀㼀崀⤀ 䘀椀猀栀 洀愀爀欀攀琀Ⰰ 洀攀愀琀 洀愀爀欀攀琀⸀⸀⸀ഊSomewhat like Faire means that you have livestock present for buying and ਀猀攀氀氀椀渀最 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀攀猀琀椀瘀愀氀 昀漀爀 挀攀氀攀戀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:22:15 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀 愀琀 猀椀琀欀愀⸀攀渀最椀渀⸀甀洀椀挀栀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to ਀ऀ䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀⸀⸀⸀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊOne place to look without getting into all the economic literature ਀愀戀漀甀琀 洀愀爀欀攀琀猀 愀渀搀 攀挀漀渀漀洀椀挀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 愀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊsection in the Yale University Press book ਀吀栀攀 䈀爀椀琀椀猀栀 䴀愀爀欀攀琀 䠀愀氀氀 䄀 匀漀挀椀愀氀 愀渀搀 䄀爀挀栀椀琀攀挀琀甀爀愀氀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 戀礀ഊJames Schmiechen and Kenneth Carls ਀圀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 琀愀氀欀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀愀氀氀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 琀愀氀欀猀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊthe markets that were in place prior to the buildings. ਀ഊJohnnae ਀ഊRegina wrote: ਀㸀 唀洀⸀⸀⸀ 一攀眀洀愀爀欀攀琀Ⰰ 䠀愀礀洀愀爀欀攀琀 愀爀攀愀猀 椀渀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀漀眀渀 渀愀洀攀猀⸀  ഊ> snipped The OED seems to date it back to Anglo-Saxon ਀㸀 琀椀洀攀猀⸀∀䤀⸀ 䄀 瀀氀愀挀攀 愀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀爀愀搀攀 椀猀 挀漀渀搀甀挀琀攀搀⸀ഊ>> What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"? De ਀㸀㸀ഊ>> -----Original Message----- ਀㸀㸀  圀攀 愀爀攀 猀琀愀爀琀椀渀最 琀漀 挀愀氀氀 ∀洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀猀 爀漀眀∀ 琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀攀爀洀 漀昀  ഊ>> "market" ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀　㨀㔀㘀㨀㌀㈀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Terry Decker" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 搀攀昀椀渀攀∀ 洀愀爀欀攀琀∀怀怀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊThe Medieval usage of market is the most common of modern usages, "a public ਀最愀琀栀攀爀椀渀最 昀漀爀 戀甀礀椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀攀氀氀椀渀最 洀攀挀栀愀渀搀椀猀攀⸀∀  圀栀椀氀攀 洀愀爀欀攀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀ഊsell food stuffs from the country in town, they were not limited to that ਀瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀⸀  吀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀 昀愀椀爀猀 漀昀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀爀欀攀琀 昀愀椀爀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 漀渀攀ഊcould buy goods from all over Europe, food, textiles, spice, pins, pots, ਀攀琀挀⸀  圀栀椀氀攀 氀椀瘀攀猀琀漀挀欀 眀愀猀 猀漀氀搀 愀琀 昀愀椀爀猀Ⰰ 洀漀爀攀 氀椀瘀攀猀琀漀挀欀 眀愀猀 猀漀氀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀椀琀礀ഊslaughterhouses. ਀ഊSpecialized markets (fish, meat, etc.) were opened in some towns to isolate ਀渀漀砀椀漀甀猀 漀搀漀爀猀 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 愀挀挀攀猀猀 琀漀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀椀稀攀搀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀ഊriver piers. Some of the market streets occurred because guilds tended to ਀最爀漀甀瀀 椀渀琀漀 愀 猀椀渀最氀攀 瀀愀爀椀猀栀 昀漀爀 洀甀琀甀愀氀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 挀攀渀琀攀爀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀栀甀爀挀栀ഊthat served the guild members. ਀ഊBoroughs are essentially townships. They began in Medieval times as a group ਀漀昀 昀漀爀琀椀昀椀攀搀 栀漀甀猀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀爀攀 最爀愀渀琀攀搀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 爀椀最栀琀猀 愀渀搀 瀀爀椀瘀椀氀攀最攀猀⸀ഊModernly, they are municipal corporations with privileges such as self ਀最漀瘀攀爀渀洀攀渀琀 漀爀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀 搀椀猀琀爀椀挀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 猀攀渀搀猀 愀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀漀 倀愀爀氀椀洀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀䄀 戀愀稀愀愀爀 椀猀 愀 洀愀爀欀攀琀 猀琀爀攀攀琀 漀昀 猀琀愀氀氀猀 愀渀搀 猀栀漀瀀猀 洀漀猀琀 挀漀洀洀漀渀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊEast. The word derives from Persian into the Italian "bazarro." The ਀攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 甀猀愀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 䤀 愀洀 愀眀愀爀攀 漀昀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 䠀愀欀氀礀甀琀  ഊin 1599. ਀ഊBear ਀ഊ>> From my understanding of market is that it is a place of food produce ਀㸀 瘀攀渀搀漀爀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 渀漀渀 昀漀漀搀 瘀攀渀搀漀爀 愀爀攀愀猀 眀攀爀攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 戀愀稀愀愀爀猀⸀ഊ> In England there were specific places established for the "market" ਀㸀 ⠀戀漀爀漀甀最栀猀 嬀㼀崀⤀ 䘀椀猀栀 洀愀爀欀攀琀Ⰰ 洀攀愀琀 洀愀爀欀攀琀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> Somewhat like Faire means that you have livestock present for ਀㸀 戀甀礀椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀攀氀氀椀渀最 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀攀猀琀椀瘀愀氀 昀漀爀 挀攀氀攀戀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 圀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 甀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀攀爀洀 ∀洀愀爀欀攀琀∀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䐀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:22:13 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀 愀琀 猀椀琀欀愀⸀攀渀最椀渀⸀甀洀椀挀栀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Markets ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䌀愀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 戀漀漀欀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀ഊwhen the discussion was happening regarding markets. ਀匀椀渀挀攀 椀琀 搀攀愀氀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀Ⰰഊhere it is: ਀倀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䴀愀爀欀攀琀 椀渀 䔀愀爀氀礀 䴀漀搀攀爀渀 䄀渀琀眀攀爀瀀 戀礀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀ഊAlice Honing. Yale University Press, 1998. ਀ഊJohnnae ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ瀀ⴀ洀愀爀欀攀琀猀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 㐀 漀昀 㐀ഊ ਊ