shirts-msg - 4/13/99 Medieval and Renaissance shirts. NOTE: See also the files: clothing-books-msg, linen-msg, clothing-FAQ, underwear-msg, ruffs-msg, clothing-msg, fashion-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: connect at aol.com (CONNECT) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Poofy shirts Date: 9 Sep 1995 11:16:19 -0400 Dave said: >>> Does anyone have directions on how to make one, or a catalog of such things so I can buy them ? Any info would be vastly appreciated...<<< Check out the Chivalry Sport Catalog. Their number is (800) 730-5464. They have several styles of poofy shirts, and sell them in the $35 range. Rosalyn MacGregor of Glen Orchy Pattie Rayl of Ann Arbor, MI Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:43:36 -0700 From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Tudor Shrit Query > > I am in the process of making a 15-16 century Irish noblemans outfit and > > am in need of more info on mens Tudor shirt fashions. All shirts of > > this era I have made fasten in the front, but now I wish to make a high > > necked shirt with gathers/pleats at the neck and a ruffle or short > > collar without a front opening. In my research thus far I cannot find > > how these were fastened. Are there extant examples of shirts that did > > not open in the front? Ideas? > > Sonas ort! > > Lughbec Some shirts of the Italian Renaissance opened in the back or off-center of the front. I found these examples in art history books. Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:54:40 -0700 From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Tudor Shrit Query > > Some shirts of the Italian Renaissance opened in the back or > > off-center of the front. I found these examples in art history > > books. > > ......and were closed with.... buttons, laces, hooks??? > > I have some examples of self fabric buttons used in Irish jackets, so am > leaning toward those if I do not receive more inspiration.:) > Lughbec Laces and buttons w/loops. Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:57:55 -0700 From: Nancy Lynch To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Tudor Shrit Query > Howdy, Sir Alrek here > > Having thought about your question I perused my costuming books, I > only have 6 for late period costumes but since that is what I sew I > found it an odd question. I found no instances of a shirt that closed > in the back. Thank you for looking Alrek.:) I have seen paintings and drawings that "appear" to have collars or just bias edging that are not seperate with no visible closure so am trying for that. Like yourself, I have found no extant shirts of this nature. The Irish were fond of wearing some parts of the English fashions but wore some of their shirts in bold colors (instead of the white) and did not do as many of the lacy bits. They tended to wear self fabric ruffles and "gobs" of cloth in the garment itself. I'm probably making this too hard but would like a reasonable "non-frontal" closure if it is authentic. Lughbec Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:03:22 -0700 From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Tudor Shrit Query > > > Some shirts of the Italian Renaissance opened in the back or > > > off-center of the front. I found these examples in art history > > > books. > > > > ......and were closed with.... buttons, laces, hooks??? > > > > I have some examples of self fabric buttons used in Irish jackets, so am > > leaning toward those if I do not receive more inspiration.:) > > Lughbec > > > Laces and buttons w/loops. I should clarify further on the collars of these shirts--they did not have collars, but were finished with a ribbon or fabric binding (like bias tape). The neck opening was not high up on the neck, but on the collarbone. (did any of this make sense . . . ?) Edited by Mark S. Harris shirts-msg Page 3 of 3