hoops-msg - 1/23/08
Period and SCA hoops for hoop skirts. Sources for hoop materials. Differances
between Victorian and modern and medieval hoop skirts.
NOTE: See also these files: corsets-msg, seamstresses-msg, fashion-msg, hose-msg, p-sumpt-laws-msg, ruffs-msg, fasteners-msg, patterns-msg.
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From: ladyrini at aol.com (Lady Rini)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Hoops!
Date: 30 Mar 1997 07:55:28 GMT
I have recently made a hoop and I used tubing. The type you would use to
hook up a refridgerator. I used a smaller size tube to connect the hoops.
Casings were made,so I am able to remove the hoops for easy packing. I
highly recommend to put weights and the bottom of the skirt to aid in the
proper hanging of the hoops.
Ladyship Katarina
From: blkwrk at aol.com (Blkwrk)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COSTUMING - Ideas for hoops
Date: 6 Apr 1997 12:32:44 GMT
According to Janet Arnold the little pocket where you would slip in the
metal was stuffed with cotton or maybe wool until it was stiff. I guess
that means jam as much in there as possible.
I just had the oppotunity to help a Lady get dressed in a small changing
room with a large Farthingale and it was most amusing.
Best of luck and vivat for late period personas!!!!!
Joseph Van Der Cullen AOA, Maunche
Royal Forest of Rusted Woodlands (NJ)
From: Kim Pollard <kim at inna.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re:COSTUMING/Ideas for hoops=cotton cord
Date: 6 Apr 1997 09:11:24 EDT
Organization: WebSpan Inc., New Jersey
On 6 Apr 1997, Blkwrk wrote:
> According to Janet Arnold the little pocket where you would slip in the
> metal was stuffed with cotton or maybe wool until it was stiff. I guess
> that means jam as much in there as possible.
Sorry to jump into the middle of this, but I have seen cotton
cording in many commercial cloth stores that may to the trick! It comes
in rolls and can be anywhere from 1/8" to 1/2" thick and seems very sturdy
- however, I do not know how it will handle in the wash, so you may have
to take it out before doing the laundry. This stuff looks like cotton
batting that has been tightly compressed and then wrapped with heavy
string in a criss cross pattern along the entire length. The end result
is pretty stiff, but I don't know if it will be stiff enough for your
requirements.
Good Luck!
Kimberly
From: pts21 at aol.com (PTS21)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COSTUMING - Ideas for hoops
Date: 7 Apr 1997 05:13:35 GMT
(HELP !!!! I am a late period persona and enjoy wearing hoops, but have
had bad luck with them while traveling. Recently I broke a wire hoop in
my slip while riding in a car. The only thing I have figured is either
NOT to wear the hoops at all, and be able to sit easily in chairs and car
seats traveling to the site.)
First as to sitting--Your hoops should be just flexible enough for you to
lift your skirts (and hoops) in the back as you sit and the front will dip
down and circle your feet--very prim and proper. This works on benches
and chairs without arms. Avoid chairs with arms as they tend to bend the
hoops inward too far.
( OR to throw the hoop slip in the back of
the car, and upon arriving, step into the hoops as I emerge from the car (
a little awkward with people at an event))
Again, try lifting the hoops (not the dress) up to almost waist level in
the backand gently compress them into an oval in the front to fit--back
bench seats are best, but it's possible in bucket seats and front seats,
too--just keep them away from the driver. I don't recommend driving in
them, but I have managed to move my car from one side of the street to the
other while wearing mine. The best bet, if it's an option, is tro dress
at the event.
( And THEN there is the eternal
problem of traveling with hoops. How in the world does ANYONE fly to any
SCA events with hoops? I havent found a suitcase yet that will allow
that----and I dont want to bend my hoops into a figure-8 to pack them in
luggage.)
Bending your hoops into a figure eight or squishing them together in the
middle will wreck them, but some are built in such a way as to adjust the
size of the hoop circumference. Make it as small as you can without
stressing the metal and then try them in your different suitcases, or have
a bag made to fit them. If they adjust small enough, there are some bags
made to hold thongs like jumper cables that might fit them. Put a stiff
board in the bag to ensure they don't get dented.
I will also sometimes put a string through the waistband an tye one end
together-this gives me more control over them-and then lay them flat on
top of the rest of the cargo. I drive a small station wagon so there is
room to do this easily.
Good luck,
Cori
pts21 at aol.com
From: skward at acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Shannon Krysta Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COSTUMING - Ideas for hoops
Date: 7 Apr 1997 14:59:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary
PTS21 (pts21 at aol.com) wrote:
:
: (HELP !!!! I am a late period persona and enjoy wearing hoops, but have
: had bed luck with them while traveling. Recently I broke a wire hoop in
: my slip while riding in a car. The only thing I have figured is either
: NOT to wear the hoops at all, and be able to sit easily in chairs and car
: seats traveling to the site.)
Although I have not yet constructed my own set of hoops I am almost
through with the planning stage. I have had the opportunity to talk to
several ladies who have hoops (Yay! Finally some other late-period
people in Avacal!). I was informed by a visiting Baroness from Artemisia
BLATANT UNPERIOD SOLUTION for those of you who care but it works, that she
used the flexible plastic tubing that you buy at aquarium supply stores to
form her hoops. I imagine that these would be nice and flexible and fold
up (relatively) nice and small for transport.
Caterina d'Alessandro Franceschi da Firenze
From: mayfaire1 at aol.com (MAYFAIRE1)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hoop skirts
Date: 8 Apr 1997 05:43:53 GMT
Hi there!
Just thought I'd add that you can also obtain hoops ready
made by a company called "Alter Years" out of Pasadena Ca. They do a
fantastic job - my sister just ordered one & it is wonderful. Another
hint: If you're determined to make on on your own (good for you!), you
might consider using refridgerator tubing instead of spring steel for your
hoops. I've seen that done and they are durable as well as easily
removable for washing. Good luck!
Cheers!!!!
Pasha
From: pp003060 at mindspring.com (Pegasus)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COSTUMING - Ideas for hoops
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 08:59:59 -0600
skward at acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Shannon Krysta Ward) wrote:
> PTS21 (pts21 at aol.com) wrote:
> : (HELP !!!! I am a late period persona and enjoy wearing hoops, but have
> : had bed luck with them while traveling. Recently I broke a wire hoop in
> : my slip while riding in a car. The only thing I have figured is either
> : NOT to wear the hoops at all, and be able to sit easily in chairs and car
> : seats traveling to the site.)
>
> Although I have not yet constructed my own set of hoops I am almost
> through with the planning stage. I have had the opportunity to talk to
> several ladies who have hoops (Yay! Finally some other late-period
> people in Avacal!). I was informed by a visiting Baroness from Artemisia
> BLATANT UNPERIOD SOLUTION for those of you who care but it works, that she
> used the flexible plastic tubing that you buy at aquarium supply stores to
> form her hoops. I imagine that these would be nice and flexible and fold
> up (relatively) nice and small for transport.
>
> Caterina d'Alessandro Franceschi da Firenze
What you need is hoop wire. Check with your bridal shops they use it to
make hoops for the under dress. Also the costume shops might give you a
lead on where you might get some locally. Also check out these thes web
sites The Costume Site at (http://www.milieux.com/costume/websource1.html)
and the Costume Page at (http://users.aol.com/nebula5/tcpsupp.html)
Hope this helps.
--
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5814 Gloucester Ln.|Barony of Bryn Gwlad, Kingdom of Ansteorra
Austin, Tx 78723 |Gules, a pegasus rampant to sinister within a
|bordure argent.
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hoop skirts
From: una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 97 16:37:04 EDT
mayfaire1 at aol.com (MAYFAIRE1) writes:
> Just thought I'd add that you can also obtain hoops ready
> made by a company called "Alter Years" out of Pasadena Ca. They do a
> fantastic job - my sister just ordered one & it is wonderful. Another
> hint: If you're determined to make on on your own (good for you!), you
> might consider using refridgerator tubing instead of spring steel for your
> hoops. I've seen that done and they are durable as well as easily
> removable for washing. Good luck!
>
> Pasha
Respected friend:
As far as I know, AlterYears does not sell any hoopskirt
suitable for use as a farthingale/vertigudo/etc. Theirs
are cut in the Civil War style, with the hips much wider that the
waist; the ones we need are conical, not tea-cozy, in silouette.
Instead of getting straighter towards the hem, the last hoop needs
to be disproportionally larger than the next one up, producing the
characteristic flared bottom of the Tudor-era gown. I know of no
commercial source for such hoops.
Alizaunde, Demoiselle de Bregeuf
Una Wicca (That Pict)
(Friend) Honour Horne-Jaruk, R.S.F.
From: er4055 at anti-spam.bessel.tutech.fi (Ella Lynoure Rajamaki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hoop skirts
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:45:37 GMT
Organization: Lyninine Federation
una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk) wrote:
> As far as I know, AlterYears does not sell any hoopskirt
>suitable for use as a farthingale/vertigudo/etc. Theirs
>are cut in the Civil War style, with the hips much wider that the
>waist; the ones we need are conical, not tea-cozy, in silouette.
>Instead of getting straighter towards the hem, the last hoop needs
>to be disproportionally larger than the next one up, producing the
>characteristic flared bottom of the Tudor-era gown. I know of no
>commercial source for such hoops.
In the 1996 catalog there were 2 conical hoopskirts. At 6:45am I'm too
sleepy to comment them more than that. :)
------Ella Lynoure Rajamaki------
-----er4055 at bessel.tutech.fi-----
From: inkheads at ll.net (Dave and Lisa Schwarz)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hoop skirts
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:35:19 +0100
er4055 at anti-spam.bessel.tutech.fi wrote:
> una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk) wrote:
> >Instead of getting straighter towards the hem, the last hoop needs
> >to be disproportionally larger than the next one up, producing the
> >characteristic flared bottom of the Tudor-era gown. I know of no
> >commercial source for such hoops.
I haven't been keeping up on this thread, but has anyone suggested
checking out your local bridal store? At least in the mid-1980s, they were
often selling _adjustable_ hoop skirts. Mine had three hoops with
flexible, unclosed hoops that could be adjusted to any width, and could
very easily create the conical look. If you don't like the modern
material, just go in and check them out. They'd be very easy to make.
Brecc of Fearghael
From: Juliana <jackman at selway.umt.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COSTUMING - Ideas for hoops
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:44:05 -0600
Pegasus wrote:
>
>skward at acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Shannon Krysta Ward) wrote:
>
> > PTS21 (pts21 at aol.com) wrote:
> > :
> > : (HELP !!!! I am a late period persona and enjoy wearing hoops, but have
> > : had bed luck with them while traveling. Recently I broke a wire hoop in
> > : my slip while riding in a car. The only thing I have figured is either
> > : NOT to wear the hoops at all, and be able to sit easily in chairs and car
> > : seats traveling to the site.)
> >
> > Although I have not yet constructed my own set of hoops I am almost
> > through with the planning stage. I have had the opportunity to talk to
> > several ladies who have hoops (Yay! Finally some other late-period
> > people in Avacal!). I was informed by a visiting Baroness from Artemisia
> > BLATANT UNPERIOD SOLUTION for those of you who care but it works, that she
> > used the flexible plastic tubing that you buy at aquarium supply stores to
> > form her hoops. I imagine that these would be nice and flexible and fold
> > up (relatively) nice and small for transport.
> >
> > Caterina d'Alessandro Franceschi da Firenze
As the lady who told you about the "BLATANT UNPERIOD SOLUTION" I am
going to respond since "being comfortable in Tudor" is near and dear to
my heart. (The authenticity-nazis can just rest for a bit.)
I my 10+ years of SCA play, doing Tudor-Elizabethan I have personally
have used alot of hoop-wire equivalents. Hoop-wire is great when you can
get it but it is still metal or stiff plastic, is fairly expensive, and
does not pack down well. (And isn't technically "period" either, if you
get really picky--they used alot of cane and reed --see J. Arnold on her
extant garment stiffening, corsets especially.)
What I use is not really aquarium tubing, it is poly-tubing (it is
stronger than the other, and not as expensive.) My hoops are 10+ years
old and still holding on. I retired my wire hoops after about 2 years
because I got tired of bending them out every time I had to pack "tight"
for an event. (I still have them and use them occaisonally for high
courtwear.)
This trick with the tubing was taught to me back in 1985 by 2 other
Elizabethan/Tudor Laurels who still use this today (Laurellen, Aislinn
this your clue to jump in here...) It does not mean that we don't use
wire, we do. I just choose not to for everyday field garb. Which is what
I was wearing the day you asked me for the information. Heck, it is
MACHINE-WASHABLE, packs into a size of a small hat, and takes ALOT of
abuse. (It also doesn't dig into you as much when you sit!) I would be
more than happy to discuss "other alternatives" with anyone, or to pass
on my expiriences "wearing Tudor" if people are interested.
Baroness Juliana nic lachlainn, OL
Barony of Sentinels' Keep (That's MT folks.)
email: jackman at selway.umt.edu
P.S. I received my Laurel for Elizabethan Costume and Needlework
-FYI for anyone who cares.
From: cromabu at aol.com (CromAbu)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: reeds for hoops/corsets
Date: 17 Apr 1997 21:34:40 GMT
Take one or two of your reeds and try soaking them in warm water for about
an hour. You will soon find by experminting just how long of a soak is
neccessary.
I get my reeds from the craft shops. They are in the section used for cain
chair repair. Some times you can find them in differant diameters too.
These reeds are great for use in hats also ie.. a Mary Stewart heart
shaped cap.
These reeds should be slipped into pockets with an over lap so as to
remove them for laundering & when they break.
Don't worry about them breaking as they can take a lot of abuse as well as
they are generally pretty cheep.
Lady Cate
From: cromabu at aol.com (CromAbu)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hoop skirts
Date: 17 Apr 1997 22:37:58 GMT
I made ,several years ago, a set of hoops for my daughter, for a play at
school.
They were indeed conical in shape.
First I made a pattern out of scrap matterials, next I added 3 inches for
every hoop that I wanted, & spaced this at the apporprate places, (not at
the ends).
Next I made pockets at these places, double stiched these pockets, &
stuffed them with batting (from both ends, makes this eaiser), making sure
that there were no holes or weak spots & that they were very stiff. Last I
sewed up the seam/s.And turned it so that the stuffed tubes were on the
inside.
These hoops have held up through many trips & much wear. They can be
folded into very small spaces when traveling with no ill effect. These
hoops are surprisingly comfortable too. They can also be crushed between
my legs at tight feasts. And they don't have the tendancy, as some of my
more period type hoopes do to fly up in front reveling all to the world.
These may or may not be period, but for practial SCA purposes they really
worked.
Lady Cate
From: Donna Nesbit <themaefare at yahoo.com>
Date: September 16, 2007 5:36:49 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Garb Help
Butterick has a pattern for a hoop petticoat.
HLDarcy <HLDarcy at hot.rr.com> wrote:
I will soon be making my 1st Elizabethan garb and I need a source for a hoop petticoat. If someone could direct me to a web page to either purchase one or with directions for making one I would be very appreciative.
HL Darcy Evaline o Lasgwm
From: Traci Baker <traci at crimsonvision.net>
Date: September 16, 2007 5:49:31 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Garb Help
> HLDarcy <HLDarcy at hot.rr.com> wrote: Greetings;
> I will soon be making my 1st Elizabethan garb and I need a source
> for a hoop petticoat. If someone could direct me to a web page to
> either purchase one or with directions for making one I would be
> very appreciative.
>
> HL Darcy Evaline o Lasgwm
Here are a few websites for making one:
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/petticoat.html
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/makekirtle.html
Here are a few patterns to buy:
http://www.margospatterns.com/elizup.htm
http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?
page=corset.html
Here are a few places you can buy directly:
http://www.castlegardencreations.com/store.php?
crn=73&action=show&show_products_mode=cat_click
www.ebay.com
Hopefully those will help you get started! If you'd like more
specific info on experiences with the patterns and vendors please feel
free to email me directly! :)
Elizabeta
From: Chris Harper <bice at backroadsoftexas.com>
Date: September 16, 2007 7:45:32 PM CDT
To: 'Stefan li Rous' <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
Subject: Hoop skirt petticoat
I once made a hoop petticoat and used a piece of vinyl that I bought at Home Depot. It is the kind that you use to cover the seam when installing vinyl covered wall board that replaces sheetrock. It worked very well; was flexible, non-rusting and very light weight.
Bicˇ di Pietro
Loch Ruadh
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