cl-Romans-msg - 6/20/17

Clothing of Classical Rome.

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From: "C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.org>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Questions about Toga's
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 11:41:21 -0500

>Gentile people I am in need of assistance. I
>need some pics of different types of togas
>and a time frame for them. If anyone could
>help please let me know, I am haveing a toga
> made for my wedding (which is comeing up sooooon).

There's a good article on Roman clothing, with pics, at:
http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing.html

There's a good pattern for a toga at:
http://www.costumes.org/pages/timelinepages/ancientrome1.htm

The toga was a semicircle, 9 feet across the straight edge, made of fine
white wool.  You had a draper to help you, and it went on wet, while the
draper arranged the intricate pleating.

For an excellent collection of illustrations of the various aspects of the
toga, see:
http://www.cwu.edu/~robinsos/ppages/resources/Costume_History/roman.htm

Some other helpful articles:

http://romegiftshop.com/romantoga.html
http://www.ku.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/
SMIGRA*/Toga.html

::GUNNVOR::


From: "C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.org>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Questions about Toga's
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 11:45:51 -0500

Damask said:
I don't know there are "different types" of
>togas, but you can look at ANY Greek or Roman
>statuary and see what they look like, how they
>drape, etc.

It's really not that simple.  If you miss the tunica underneath (which you
can't always see as a separate garment in the statuary) then you'll never
get the look right.  And the draping had several required features that need
some explanation.  It's kind of like a modern man's necktie - you can attach
it around your neck in dozens of ways, but only one or two get the correct
look (and I don't know how you'd ever figure out a double Windsor knot from
text or a photo, lol).

::GUNNVOR::


Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 22:44:41 -0500
From: Anthony Lackey <catan at webzone.net>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Questions about Toga's

Chass Brown wrote:
> Gentile people I am in need of assistance. I need some pics of different
> types of togas and a time frame for them. If anyone could help please let me
> know, I am haveing a toga made for my wedding (which is comeing up sooooon).

Chass, go to the library and look at Colleen McCullough's series of books about
Rome and Julius Caesar.  She's done extensive research into the daily life of
the period, including the cut of the toga.  Go to her glossary and notes in the
back (alphabetically arranged) and look up toga.  I think you will find this
helpful.

Catrin


From: Marc Carlson [marccarlson20 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 10:12 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Questions about Toga's

Wilson, Lillian May.  The Roman toga. (Johns Hopkins University studies in
archaeology; no. 1) Baltimore The Johns Hopkins press 1924.

Excellent pictures.

Marc/Diarmaid


From: Marilyn Traber <marilyn.traber.jsfm at statefarm.com>
To: "'sca-cooks at ansteorra.org'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Bunny Fur Bikinis

First off - for pretty much all things roman:
http://www.ku.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/home.html

Piazza Armerina has teh 'bikini girls' mosaic:
http://www.piazza-armerina.it/mosaici/photo/index.html
in gallery page 1.

a sports page with roman sports:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/romeball.html

garb links:
http://acasun.eckerd.edu/~dagorhir/garb/garblinks.html

roman artifact - leather 'bikini' bottoms:
http://www.heritage-images.com/item/default.asp?i=330000271&p=as&hr=%2Fsearc
h%2Fdefault%2Easp%3Faction%3Dgotopage%26searchtype%3D0%26searchtext%3Dbikini
%26searchin%3D0%26category%3D%26rowcount%3D%26keywordtype%3D%26lightboxid%3D
%26resultid%3D83998%26pagenum%3D


So. No bunny fur bikinis, however -
doumentation for leather bottoms for those indulging in exercise with other
women and possibly as an acrobatic performer. Not something that a 'nice'
well brought up woman of good family would wear [they wouldn't be dancers or
acrobats] out of the woman's area of the baths [where exercise was generally
done unless you had a large enough dwelling to include baths and a
gymnasium.]

Bandeau top, unspecified material. Possibly fabric such as linen. I would
also surmise that bottoms may have also been made of linen, just none
managed to survive.
margali
[who also plays Hyapatia Asinia]


From: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
Date: November 16, 2006 6:36:09 PM CST
To: ansteorra <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Roman Garb

Greetings,
In honor of our Ansteorran heirs, Romanius and Deanna, some of you may wish to create Roman Garb to wear during their reign.  I found this list of websites on roman garb and roman themed reenactment groups, from the medieval trivia yahoo group, enjoy. 

Hillary
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Posted by: "Shane B"
Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:47 am (PST)

> There are plenty of roman groups out there with the info you
> seek. Here are some of their web sites.
> If you want more just google up Legio and see what pops up
>
> <http://www.larp.com/legioxx/civcloth.html
> http://www.larp.com/legioxx/civcloth.html
> http://www.legionxxiv.org/
> <http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3296/index.htm
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3296/index.htm
> http://legxv.uio.no/


From: Dee Thompson <lonemuse2 at YAHOO.COM>
Date: April 21, 2011 5:30:54 PM CDT
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Roman Women's Garb Links & References?

<<< Does anyone have good links or reference sources for western Roman women's clothing? I know very little about THAT end of the SCAdian period where garb is concerned. Much thanks in advance!

-Corrigan >>>

One book I recommend is "The World of Roman Costume", edited by Judith Lynn Sebesta and Larissa Bonfante.
http://www.amazon.com/World-Costume-Wisconsin-Studies-Classics/dp/0299138542/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303424736&sr=8-1

It covers a lot of ground... hairstyles, jewelry, cloth, colors, shoes, etc.  There is a small section on recreating some of the costume in the back of the book.
And then my apprentice Aline provided me with these links:

http://www.feochadan.com/html/roman-.shtml

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing.html

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/radical_romans/costume.htm

If these don't cover what you want to know, e-mail me privately and I can go through and what stuff I have stored on my laptop.

Fionnuala
 

From the FB "SCA Garb" group:

Cynthia Teague
8/7/15
I am large, with a very full bust and no waist. Is there a way for me to wear Roman without looking like a pile of sheets? I assume thin fabric with good drape helps.

Jocetta Thrushleigh 
Well washed linen drapes beautifully I have found and it is incredibly cool. I live in Trimaris where it is both hot and steamy. Roman is _very_ popular during our summers.

Jocetta Thrushleigh 
Is there someone in your area who specializes in Roman? It helps a lot to have another person draping your neckline for you. Once it's set you can leave the fibulae (decorative pins) or buttons (not period but a good substitute for them) in place for wearing again but setting it up the first time can be a bit tricky.

Stacy K Davis 
The draping of linen makes it much more flattering than cotton, for Roman. I also find that belting and tying it can create a very flattering silhouette. I am over 220 lbs, heavy bust (34H), and my "waist" is directly under my bust. I feel that my Roman and Greek outfits look very good on me. The one that I made from cotton is not as nice, as the cotton is too "stiff" in comparison to the linen.

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