cl-Norse-msg - 3/27/08
Period clothing of the Norse. Viking clothing.
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From: haslock at rust.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock)
Date: 1 Nov 91 20:07:43 GMT
Organization: DECwest, Digital Equipment Corp., Bellevue WA
From BLUND.ILS at mhs.unc.EDU (BLUND):
> I recently ran across a brief mention in a fairly reputable source that
> Icelanders and other Norse Colonists have been making cloth using wool yarn
> and "needles" in a fashion "similar to knitting" since the age of
> expansion. Does anyone know anything more about a technique "similar to
> knitting," used in the Middle Ages?
>
> And, how about knitting itself? I would think warm wooly socks would be
> perfect for cold Northern winters. . . :-)
I am told that knitting is period, but have yet to see proof. However,
leggings are another matter. There are some Norse leggings that were made
using Spang. Peter Collingwood's The Techniques of Sprang mentions them and
describes more techniques than you are likely to use in a lifetime.
The Irish also have evidence of leggings but in late period the used Frieze
to make them. This, I am told, is a thick haiary cloth which is much more
likely to be windproof than even a thick knit. The leggings and the
relevant evidence is described by A.T.Lucas in his article on Irish Footwear.
It seems to me that knit stockings might work in cold still air but are likely
to be worse than useless under wet and windy conditions. I frequently wear
knit sweaters in the mundane world and find them worthless for warmth in
any kind of wind. Thus, I am not surprised at the rareity of knits in period.
Fiacha,
Aquaterra, AnTir
From: bmorris at access.digex.com (Beth Morris)
Date: 9 Dec 91 05:06:22 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access Unix, Greenbelt, MD
I would also recommend Paul Norlund Meddelelser Om Gronland (Copenhagen, 1924)
(or in English The Buried Norsemen at Herjolfsnes). It has excellent patterns,
and comparisons of the different finds at Herjolfsnes (Greenland) and a good
discussion of fibers, seams, finishing, mending, etc. There are flat
patterns as well as sketches of the garments, and illustrations from ms.
with similar garments. Should be available through inter-library loan.
Keilyn FitzWarin
Lochmere, Atlantia
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:26:51 -0600
From: Gunnora Hallakarva <gunnora at bga.com>
Subject: Re: ANST - garb question
This question was asked:
><< We have introduced a teenaged girl into the SCA recently. She is looking
>for a culture/persona that will allow her to wear pants, rather than dresses,
>as she is more comfortable in them. Can you please suggest a time/place
>where ladies did wear pants? She is not interested in a male persona.
To which someone replied:
>My lady suggests that Norse or Mideast persona's might serve, I seem to
>remember other parts of the world that would serve as well. I will try to do
>some research for you. Good Luck!
Norse women did not wear pants. It was grounds for instant divorce
(including a lot of public shame and a huge financial burden in the
division of property) if a woman did wear pants.
It is possible that Norse women may have been wearing some sort of leggings
or "bloomers" under their dresses, since the source which describes the
divorce based on a woman wearing pants specifies "pants with gores in the
crotch like a man's".
Gunnora Hallakarva
Herskerinde
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:39:02 -0500
From: capriest at cs.vassar.edu (Carolyn Priest-Dorman)
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Viborg Shirt Query
Ciorstan wrote:
> The best pictures I'e seen so far are in NESAT V, which shows a young
> man wearing a hand-woven and hand-stitched replica of the shirt. The
> citation is for an article called:
>
> Viking Age replicas in research and abstract, by Mytte Fentz
>
> Textilsymposium Neumuenster, Archaologische Textilfunde (Archaeological
> Textiles) 4. - 7.5.93 (NESAT V)
The best article I've seen in English is "An 11th Century Linen Shirt from
Viborg Sonderso, Denmark," also by Mytte Fentz, but it's in NESAT IV. It
has lots of very clear line drawings about how the various pieces of the
garment are cut and sewn together, including a suggested cutting diagram.
Carolyn Priest-Dorman Thora Sharptooth
capriest at cs.vassar.edu Frostahlid, Austrriki
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:49:23 -0400
From: capriest at cs.vassar.edu (Carolyn Priest-Dorman)
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: New Web Pages
I have just added the following documents to my website.
'"But That's How They Look in the Book!": Viking
Women's Garb in Art and Archaeology,' a critique
of depictions of Viking women's clothing, with
a short list of trustworthy depictions
http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/roach.html
"A Quick and Dirty Look at Viking Women's Garb
in the Ninth and Tenth Centuries," a work with
no footnotes but with links to other footnoted
documents on related subjects
http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/qdirtyvk.html
Carolyn Priest-Dorman =DE=F3ra Sharptooth
capriest at cs. vassar. edu Frostahlid, Austmork
http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html
From: rmhowe <MMagnusM at bellsouth.net>
Date: April 9, 2004 2:22:56 PM CDT
To: - Authenticity List <authenticity at yahoogroups.com>, - BARONY of WINDMASTERS' HILL <keep at windmastershill.org>
Subject: Viking Age Headcoverings
> Elizabeth Wincott Heckett, (2003), "Viking Age Headcoverings from
> Dublin". In the series "Medieval Dublin Excavations 1962-81.
> Ser.B,vol.6 (2003)". ISBN: 0-9543855-5-1.
http://www.ria.ie [I'll insert that.]
> Hardcover, costs 30 euro.
>
> It can be ordered from: Royal Irish Academy 19 Dawson St Dublin 2
> Ireland Attn: Hugh Shiels
>
> And on to contents:
>
> The book covers 68 textiles: scarfs, headbands and caps (10th-12th
> cent.Dublin), which are discussed after a general information on the
> excavation sites. The sections for scarfs and headbands and caps are
> similar, in that they start with pictorial and archaeological
> comparisons for the objects, and then the catalogue part goes into
> detail on size, weave, stitches etc. There are drawings for almost
> all finds. For caps there are also some thoughts - and illustrations
> - on how they might have been worn. The cloth technology is then
> discussed: cloth-type, yarn, weave and dimensions. The author also
> discusses cloth production and loom-type. There are also a few pages
> on sewing techniques, and a discussion on the origins of the cloth,
> commerce, and a short discussion on viking age dress in Dublin. The
> appendix covers analyses of dyes and of hair found in the textiles.
> There are also 16 colour plates (12 of textiles).
>
>
> If the price is a bit too much, you might wait until it comes in a
> softcover version (as the previous books in the series were published
> in both hard- and softcover, I believe that this one will do so as
> well.).
From: L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
Date: February 26, 2008 7:19:45 PM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] For the Viking Personas
Heilsa,
There has been quite a bit of discussion on the Norsefolk2 Yahoogroup
on the subject of Annika Larson's reconstruction.
(which is the one in the article)...
I suggest that anyone who wants to make the garment per
her interpretation read the discussion first.
Personally I wouldn't trust her reconstruction...
cause she's taking a reconstruction of a Russian find
and applying it universally to pagan Scandinavia...
It's kinda like saying that in the US
during the 60's all young people were hippies.
More probable reconstructions from the same find she drew her conclusions on...
http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/PskovTranslation.html
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/sarafan/sarafan.htm
Lorraine DeerSlayer
Chelsea Durham <baby_sis_83 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Found on fark.com
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080225/sc_livescience/vikingwomendressedprovocatively
-Lady Grainne Kathleen NicPadraig MacDaniel
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