cl-Germany-msg - 3/5/11
Clothing of Medieval Germany.
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From: erilarlo at win.bright.net
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: german name documentation
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:44:38 -0600
Organization: BrightNet Wisconsin
In article <53u2s2$h10 at newsbf02.news.aol.com>, zigs66 at aol.com (Zigs66) wrote:
> I have (I think) settled on a Germanic persona, probably as a trader
> living somewhere in the 12th-14th century range. I tentatively chose the
> region of Cologne, as this was in the major trading route.
> With this in mind, I came up with the name Anneliese Wildfang.
> Anneliese came from a list of German female names (it also included Anna
> and Liesl) and Wildfang came from a german dictionary, and means hoyden.
Possibly useful clothing note: the grosse Manessische Liederhandschrift
has easy-to-imitate clothing. Even if you can't read German, the pictures
might be helpful. Actually, even if you can read modern German, the poems
aren't: they're in Middle High German.
I have no documentation to offer, but I don't recall any doubled first
names in the period you've chosen.
Have fun! erilar
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Giovanna <valkyr8 at yahoo.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: German Ren costume patterns??
Here are the German Garb sites that I referred to in
my earlier post. Hope this provides some visual inspiration.
Giovanna
http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/COSTUME6_INDEX.HTML 16th
c. German garb illustrations
http://www.huscarl.com/costume/index.htm
Kingdom of Calontir
http://pip1.pipcom.com/~tempus/landsknecht/index.html
Landsknecht page (Kingdom of Ealdormere)
http://www.costumegallery.com/pompadour/material/1500/index.html
16th c. Costume gallery of Images
http://www.costumegallery.com/fif.htm
The Handbook of German Dress
http://www.costumes.org/pages/timelinepages/1500to1535a.htm
Early 16th Century Europe (1500 to 1535ce)
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Sic Gorgiamus allus Subjegatus Nunc
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:37:24 +1000
From: Tiffany Brown <teffania at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] German Court Dresses
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
<lochac at lochac.sca.org>
On 21 September 2010 11:03, Alys Dietsch <a_sunny_girl at hotmail.com> wrote:
<<< I am trying to find some images of German Court dresses. ?So far my searches have been fruitless. Any ideas? >>>
1000+ years of history means there is a great variety of styles worn
in germany. Perhaps you could supply a few more details about when,
or if you don't know when, tell us what you do know about the style
(eg does it have a waist seam)? Are you looking for original period
illustrations or photos of what they look like made up? Oh, and court
dress of the male, female or both?
The most well known women's german gown is the "cranach" or "saxon"
gown of the 16th Century.
http://reconstructinghistory.com/rh501-saxon-cranach-gown.php?s=&;c=22&d=190&e=33&q=4&p=57&w=21
The most well known men's style is the "landeskneckt" style:
http://reconstructinghistory.com/landsknecht-package.php?s=&;c=22&d=190&e=33&q=2&p=544&w=21
Using the keyword cranach gown or landeskneckt on the internet should
find you some very good dress diaries of people who have made these,
including collecting period images of them.
But I presume in each time period there was generaly a unique german
court dress style. I know for my chosen time period of the 12th C
there was a unique germanic style, that I've been collecting images of
12thC female german and austrian clothing on my blog:
http://teffania.blogspot.com/search/label/12thC%20germanic%20dress
(sorry you'll have to scroll down a little past my reconstruction efforts)
The kingdom of Atlantia A&S links page is one of the best pages of
links to info relevant to sca-ers, and it has a section on german
clothing:
http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?action=displaycat&;catid=127
links vary in quality, but should range from providing keywords to
search for to rpoviding colections of period images of clothing.
For any given time period, if you know what the time period is, there
is an excellent collection of material in the marberg photo library,
from german museums, so chiefly german stuff.
I think they have an english language option on the page, but the
search terms aren't translated.
A good dictionary like LEO often helps:
There is an awful lot of random stuff in the photo collection, good
search terms are essential to filter out the stuff you don't want.
(you can start by filtereing by time period and place) I find this
isn't very useful for a first place to look, but is a good place to
come back to when you've looked at all the easy stuff and refined what
specifically you are looking for. There are also some extant clothes
photographed in the collection.
You may also find the costumers of lochac mailing list a good place to
continue this discussion if more detail is required:
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/costumersoflochac/
Even more specialised mailing lists tend to exist for topics such as
renaisance german clothing, which may be great places to lurk and
listen (and read their archive) if this is likely to be an ongoing
interest. The atlantian A&S links page has links to a few, others are
often yahoogroups.
Teffania
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:40:26 +1000
From: Jenny Andersen <jla_mni at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] German Court Dresses
To: <lochac at lochac.sca.org>
I don't know if you're aware of this site, but Web Gallery of Art is one of the best places to look for images online
Also Myra's Costume Pages is a good blog on German costume
and St Maximillien - a landschneke group: http://www.st-max.org/index.htm
and just do a web browser search on Lucas Cranach the younger, which will bring up stacks of pictures for you to look through
Jenny
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:46:04 +1000
From: "Melina Hall" <melinahall at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] German Court Dresses
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
<lochac at lochac.sca.org>
Which period? And are you talking about the ones commonly depicted in
Cranach paintings?
Like this;
This site is the Web Gallery of Art. You can search by artist, or time
period, or a bunch of other stuff. I find it great for garb pics.
Asa
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