squires-msg - 10/16/05 ਀ഊComments on SCA and period squires. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: knighthood-msg, chivalry-msg, Chivalry-art, fealty-msg, fealty-art, armor-msg, chainmail-msg, 2Squire-r-Not-art, Fealty-n-t-SCA-art. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: AANDREWS at cc.weber.EDU ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: SCA Digest V7 #15 ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㜀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㈀㨀㔀㜀㨀㄀㐀 ⴀ 㔀  ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 甀渀琀漀 愀氀氀 昀爀漀洀 䰀漀爀搀 䜀甀椀氀氀愀甀洀攀Ⰰ 匀焀甀椀爀攀 漀昀 䤀爀漀渀琀爀攀攀ഊ Gwydion asked several things as to what being a sqire means and ਀䤀 昀攀攀氀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 洀甀猀琀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀 愀猀 昀漀氀氀漀眀猀㨀ഊ ਀䔀瘀攀爀礀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 椀渀 挀栀漀漀猀椀渀最 愀 猀焀椀爀攀 搀漀攀猀 猀漀 昀漀爀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 爀攀愀猀漀渀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀ഊknights who see the number of red belts attached to them as a symbol of status ਀愀渀搀 瀀漀眀攀爀 ⠀䤀渀 洀礀 攀愀爀氀礀 搀愀礀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 䤀 眀愀猀 愀瀀瀀爀漀愀挀栀攀搀 戀礀 猀甀挀栀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀 戀甀琀ഊI strongly feel that a sqire should at least have armor and fighting before ਀琀栀攀礀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀 愀 戀攀氀琀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 洀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 洀愀渀ⴀ愀琀ⴀ愀爀洀猀 栀愀猀 愀猀欀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀猀 ഊhis armor before we make his belt.) Other Knights choose aspiring fighters whom ਀琀栀攀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 昀攀攀氀猀 栀攀⠀猀栀攀⤀ 挀漀甀氀搀 栀攀氀瀀 最甀椀搀攀 椀渀 戀漀琀栀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀爀琀氀礀ഊgraces (including dancing if they so desire) ਀ഊ Every squire has a different reason for putting on the red belt of ਀愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀⸀  䤀 挀栀漀漀猀攀 琀漀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 愀 猀焀椀爀攀 琀漀 匀椀爀 匀攀椀漀渀椀渀 䤀爀漀渀琀爀攀攀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 栀攀ഊis my friend. He has helped me learn a lot about myself, both in SCA and ਀椀渀 洀甀渀搀愀渀椀琀礀Ⰰ 栀攀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 愀 琀攀愀挀栀攀爀Ⰰ 昀爀椀攀渀搀Ⰰ 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀⠀礀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀愀甀最栀琀 栀椀洀ഊon occasion) and in general what I would expect out of a Knight in period. ਀䔀愀挀栀 漀昀 洀礀 猀焀椀爀攀 戀爀漀琀栀攀爀猀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 伀甀爀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 愀氀漀渀最 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 瀀愀琀栀猀 愀渀搀ഊwe each have different goals. When Sir Seionin was a squire, the head sqire ਀漀渀氀礀 搀攀猀椀爀攀搀 琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 眀椀猀栀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 昀爀漀洀ഊbeing a squire. ਀ഊ I am very saddened when I hear of individuals taking a red belt because ਀琀栀攀礀 猀攀攀 椀琀 愀猀 愀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀漀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 瀀漀氀椀琀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀 琀漀漀氀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀 ഊover lesser fighters ("You must fight this way because in Shire BFAtneveldt ਀䤀洀 琀栀攀 匀焀椀爀攀 愀渀搀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 䴀漀爀攀∀ 漀戀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀琀 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⤀ഊI take my status as a Sqire very seriously, my friends may not think so ਀眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀礀 眀愀礀 䤀 愀渀搀 洀礀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 樀漀欀攀 愀渀搀 欀椀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀⸀  䄀猀 愀渀 䤀爀漀渀琀爀攀攀ഊI serve the Prince of Artemesia and the King of Atenveldt, as a Squire I serve ਀洀礀 䬀渀椀最栀琀⸀  䤀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 猀攀攀欀 琀栀攀 爀攀搀 戀攀氀琀 昀漀爀 瀀漀氀椀琀椀挀猀Ⰰ 䤀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 猀攀攀欀 琀栀攀 爀攀搀ഊbelt as a way to become a servant. I sought my red belt as a way to further ਀洀礀 瀀爀漀最爀攀猀猀椀漀渀 愀猀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 琀漀 栀漀渀攀 ⠀猀瀀⤀ 洀礀 愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀 愀猀 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 琀漀ഊbecome a Knight, I feel that any goals less would tarnish my knight and I would stay his friend instead if being his squire. ਀ഊLord Guillaume dela Vallee del'Ouest du Lac Sale, Squire of Irontree ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀㄀㄀⼀㈀⼀㤀㔀⤀ഊRE>Squires ਀ഊ>I have a question first directed to Knights and then to the general populace. ਀㸀䐀漀 礀漀甀 洀愀欀攀 礀漀甀爀 猀焀甀椀爀攀✀猀 戀攀氀琀 漀爀 搀漀 礀漀甀 愀猀欀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀㼀ഊ>What kind of artwork do you put on the belt, your device - their device - ਀欀椀渀最搀漀洀㼀ഊ>Do you have a ceremony for the belting? ਀㸀圀栀愀琀 搀漀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 椀渀 愀 猀焀甀椀爀攀㼀  ഊ>How many squires do you limit yourself to? ਀㸀䠀漀眀 搀漀 礀漀甀 昀攀攀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 䬀渀椀最栀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀㼀ഊ>And, what constitues too many squires? ਀㸀䤀昀 礀漀甀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀挀攀 渀漀琀 欀渀漀眀 礀漀甀爀 愀渀猀眀攀爀猀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 攀洀愀椀氀 洀攀 ഊ>privately. I am Knight in another of the many LARP's out there and wish to be ਀㸀椀渀昀漀爀洀攀搀 戀攀礀漀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀琀攀爀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀愀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀ഊsquire ਀㸀猀漀洀攀漀渀攀⸀  䘀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀挀攀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀 ⨀瀀攀爀挀攀椀瘀攀⨀ ഊ>these things occur. ਀㸀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ>Ches ਀㸀䔀ⴀ洀愀椀氀㨀 䌀栀攀猀 愀琀 椀漀⸀挀漀洀ഊ>------------------------------------- ਀ഊI may not be aknight, but I am a Baroness and was a knight's lady. A ਀猀焀甀椀爀攀✀猀 戀攀氀琀 戀礀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 最椀瘀攀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 戀礀 琀栀攀 欀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰഊthe knight should make it. I used to weave the belts for my lord's squires. ਀匀漀洀攀 眀攀爀攀 攀洀戀爀漀椀搀攀爀攀搀Ⰰ 漀琀栀攀爀猀 氀攀昀琀 瀀氀愀椀渀⸀ 夀漀甀 洀愀礀 瀀甀琀 愀爀琀眀漀爀欀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀攀氀琀㬀ഊit is very appropriate for the knight to put both his and his squire's arms ਀漀渀 琀栀攀 戀攀氀琀⸀ 唀猀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 挀攀爀攀洀漀渀礀㬀 渀漀琀 渀攀愀爀氀礀 愀猀 攀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀攀 愀猀 愀ഊknighting, but after all, it is the first step to the gold chain and white ਀戀攀氀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀漀攀猀 搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䄀猀 昀漀爀 眀栀愀琀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 椀渀 愀ഊsquire, I guess that depends on the knight. Some are just looking for more ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀漀 眀愀椀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀洀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 愀爀攀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀琀椀最攀 漀昀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀ഊeager young people around them answering their every beck and call. One ਀欀渀椀最栀琀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀 愀爀挀栀ⴀ䐀甀欀攀Ⰰ 氀漀漀欀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀爀琀 琀漀ഊbecome a knight. He doesn't look for skill, he looks into the candidate's ਀栀攀愀爀琀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀猀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀 戀攀氀琀 愀渀搀 挀栀愀椀渀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀ 唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 洀礀 氀漀爀搀ഊjust wanted bodies. He didn't even bother to really oversee their training. ਀䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀攀 眀愀猀琀攀 漀昀 戀漀琀栀 愀 最漀漀搀 欀渀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀椀琀栀ഊstrong potential. As for how many are too many- How many squires can you ਀漀瘀攀爀猀攀攀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀渀礀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 氀愀挀欀㼀 吀栀愀琀 琀漀 洀攀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀ഊbest rule. The knights that I admire the most followed that dictum. ਀一漀眀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 渀漀琀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀挀攀⸀ 䤀 愀洀 愀ഊfounding Baroness and ex-Kingdom officer (twice). I was also lady to knights ਀昀爀漀洀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 ㈀ 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 愀渀搀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 愀爀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 洀甀挀栀ഊthe same. I would have been squired myself, but since I outranked in ਀瀀爀攀挀攀搀攀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 欀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 眀攀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀⸀ഊProbably for the best. ਀ഊGood luck in your quest- ਀䴀漀爀愀最 一椀挀䜀栀椀氀氀攀 䔀漀椀渀Ⰰ 䈀愀爀漀渀攀猀猀 刀愀瘀攀渀✀猀 䘀漀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ansteorra at eden.com (11/2/95) ਀刀䔀㸀匀焀甀椀爀攀猀ഊ ਀䄀琀 ㄀ 㨀㔀㐀 䄀䴀 ㄀㄀⼀㈀⼀㤀㔀 倀匀吀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Do you make your squire's belt or do you ask them to make it themselves? ਀ഊChes, although we never quite seem to see things eye-to-eye I'll respond as ਀愀 猀焀甀椀爀攀⸀  䤀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 洀礀 昀椀爀猀琀 戀攀氀琀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 欀渀椀最栀琀 椀渀 ㄀㤀㠀 ⸀  䤀琀 最漀琀 氀漀猀琀 椀渀ഊa move and his lady replaced it for me. That one was destroyed by water ਀搀愀洀愀最攀 愀渀搀 椀 栀愀瘀攀 礀攀琀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀 猀甀椀琀愀戀氀攀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀洀攀渀琀 ⠀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀甀猀琀漀洀 漀渀攀ഊplanned). ਀ഊ>What kind of artwork do you put on the belt, your device - their device - ਀欀椀渀最搀漀洀㼀ഊ ਀伀渀 洀礀 戀攀氀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀漀渀最甀攀 椀猀 愀 猀礀洀戀漀氀 爀攀氀愀琀攀搀 琀漀 洀礀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀ഊdevice, I have seen in Caid and the west a few that have a kingdom icon & ਀琀栀攀椀爀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 甀渀ⴀ洀愀爀欀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䐀漀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀攀爀攀洀漀渀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 戀攀氀琀椀渀最㼀ഊ ਀䤀渀 洀礀 漀眀渀 挀愀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀 挀攀爀椀洀漀渀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 ㄀㔀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⸀ഊ ਀㸀圀栀愀琀 搀漀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 椀渀 愀 猀焀甀椀爀攀㼀ഊ ਀䠀攀栀Ⰰ 䤀 昀攀攀氀 昀甀渀渀礀 愀渀猀眀攀爀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀⸀  䐀攀搀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䄀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 椀猀 搀攀搀椀挀愀琀攀搀 椀渀ഊmany ways. Fighting and the art of fighting. Persistance and the ability ਀琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀爀礀椀渀最 攀瘀攀渀 愀琀 最爀攀愀琀 漀搀搀猀⸀  䘀爀椀攀渀搀猀栀椀瀀Ⰰ 愀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 椀猀 愀 挀氀漀猀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀ഊbond with his knight. They have to work together and learn from each other, ਀琀栀攀猀攀 琀眀漀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 椀渀 挀氀漀猀攀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 昀漀爀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀  䠀漀渀漀爀 琀漀ഊduty and civility, I no longer have a knight because he died, however this ਀搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 瀀爀攀挀氀甀搀攀 洀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 搀甀琀椀攀猀 䤀 眀愀猀 挀栀愀爀最攀搀 眀椀琀栀⸀  䤀 愀洀 栀椀猀 猀焀甀椀爀攀ഊ'til death take me or the world end' as the oath I took goes. Well, I'm ਀猀琀椀氀氀 愀氀椀瘀攀 愀渀搀 椀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀  䤀 愀洀 栀椀猀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 愀渀搀 猀栀愀氀氀ഊdo duty in his name. ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀猀 攀愀猀礀 愀猀 椀琀 洀愀礀 猀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 搀甀琀椀攀猀 搀漀 礀漀甀 搀漀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀栀漀✀猀ഊnot there? Some knights (or non-knights) go to events and they have ਀猀焀甀椀爀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 椀猀 甀渀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 愀琀琀攀渀搀Ⰰ 䤀 琀爀礀 琀漀 昀椀氀氀 椀渀 琀栀愀琀 最愀瀀ഊfor my fellow squires in aiding that knight or fighter as best I can and ਀猀琀椀氀氀 搀椀猀挀栀愀爀最攀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀 搀甀琀椀攀猀 䤀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀⸀  䤀 洀甀猀琀 搀攀搀椀挀愀琀攀ഊmyself to service of the group as a whole and to any station or office I may ਀栀漀氀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 搀漀 猀漀 椀渀 栀漀渀漀爀 琀漀 洀礀 欀渀椀最栀琀⸀  吀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 琀栀漀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 椀猀 琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 栀椀洀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䠀漀眀 洀愀渀礀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 搀漀 礀漀甀 氀椀洀椀琀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀 琀漀㼀 ഊ ਀䴀礀 欀渀椀最栀琀 栀愀搀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀 搀椀搀 猀瀀攀愀欀 漀昀 ㌀ 愀猀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 栀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 搀攀愀氀 眀椀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䠀漀眀 搀漀 礀漀甀 昀攀攀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 䬀渀椀最栀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 昀攀攀氀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀 昀甀氀氀礀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 戀攀渀攀昀椀琀 昀爀漀洀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 椀昀ഊthere are too many. Part of being a squire is knowing you are the chosen of ਀愀 欀渀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 搀攀昀攀愀琀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 ✀樀甀猀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀ഊsquire' of a throng. ਀ഊ>And, what constitues too many squires? ਀ഊThat can only be up to what the knight is looking for IN a squire. If the ਀欀渀椀最栀琀 椀猀 椀渀 愀 䠀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 漀昀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 昀漀爀 栀椀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀ഊloses the charm for the individual squire. My own knight said 3 would max ਀栀椀洀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 ㈀ 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 戀攀猀琀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 漀渀攀 最攀琀猀 瀀爀漀洀漀琀攀搀 最攀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀ഊand start anew and watch how your own treat THEIR new squire(s). ਀ഊ---- ਀䰀漀爀搀 匀焀甀椀爀攀 攀氀椀琀椀猀琀ⴀ洀椀氀椀琀愀渀琀ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀 䌀爀椀猀瀀椀渀 䰀攀挀栀琀猀挀愀攀爀瀀渀攀 匀琀愀爀戀氀愀搀攀ഊBryn Gwlad - Ansteorra - House Starblade (aka-Fox Anton Purtill) ਀戀氀愀挀欀昀漀砀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀 簀 猀琀愀爀戀氀愀搀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀 簀  笀愀渀礀渀愀洀攀紀 愀琀 琀爀甀攀戀氀甀攀⸀挀漀洀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ansteorra at eden.com (11/3/95) ਀刀䔀㸀匀焀甀椀爀攀猀ഊ ਀吀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 愀洀 愀 氀漀眀氀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀最攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 挀栀愀渀挀攀ഊ to observe many behaviors of (and talk to) knights ਀ 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 ഊread much about the squire subject (mostly in ਀吀栀椀渀欀眀攀氀氀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 愀氀氀 礀漀甀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 ഊanswered differently by different knights, but ਀搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 氀椀渀椀愀最攀猀 漀昀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 甀猀攀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀ഊ traditions. My lord for the most part chooses his ਀猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀椀爀 栀攀愀爀琀⸀⠀ 䤀 眀椀氀氀 氀攀琀 栀椀洀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀 栀椀猀ഊ processes on his own.) Most of the other knights ਀䤀 欀渀漀眀 搀漀 愀氀猀漀⸀ 䄀 昀攀眀 挀栀漀漀猀攀 琀栀攀椀爀猀 昀漀爀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀ഊ trainability. Some because they are friends. Some ਀ 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 最爀攀愀琀 栀漀渀漀甀爀Ⰰഊ some to be "winners". ਀ഊIn our kingdom knights usually choose squires that ਀ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 漀爀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 眀椀琀栀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀ഊ their squires to the chivalric ideal of knighthood as ਀ 瀀甀琀 昀漀爀琀栀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 倀氀攀愀猀甀爀攀 䈀漀漀欀攀 ഊ(available from the SCA stockclerk). These ideals ਀ 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 戀甀琀 愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 愀琀 挀漀甀爀琀氀礀ഊ graces, chess, arts and sciences, dance, bardic, ਀ 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀搀 栀攀爀愀氀搀爀礀⸀ 吀栀攀椀爀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 琀漀 猀琀攀瀀ഊ and fetch but to grow and learn to become a ਀欀渀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 氀椀欀攀 戀攀栀愀瘀椀漀爀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 愀渀搀 ഊhave also seen the knights that require their ਀猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 琀漀 挀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 ⠀琀栀攀 欀渀椀最栀琀✀猀⤀ 攀瘀攀爀礀 渀攀攀搀⸀ഊ Disgusting as it is to watch it is definitely period ਀瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀洀攀 䬀渀椀最栀琀猀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 匀焀甀椀爀攀✀猀 戀攀氀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 漀爀 ഊthe Knight's lady does it, or the lady or a friend of ਀ 琀栀攀 匀焀甀椀爀攀 洀愀欀攀猀 椀琀 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀渀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 琀栀攀ഊ Squire makes his first belt to prove his desire for ਀琀栀愀琀 瀀愀琀栀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 䬀渀椀最栀琀✀猀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊ end or other emblem of that Knight, some are ਀瀀氀愀椀渀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 愀爀攀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 栀愀瘀攀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 ഊopeners on the inside. Some are short, some are ਀ 搀爀愀最最椀渀最 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀 ⠀猀漀 洀甀挀栀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 昀漀爀 戀攀氀琀 眀愀爀猀 ഊand stupid squire tricks). The initial belt (and belts ਀ 昀爀漀洀 琀栀漀猀攀 搀攀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀攀⤀ 愀爀攀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 欀攀瀀琀 愀猀ഊ legacies to be passed down to the next generation ਀ 漀昀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 挀攀爀攀洀漀渀椀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 挀漀甀爀琀 ⠀爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 匀椀爀 䬀愀爀氀 琀漀漀欀 栀椀猀 渀攀眀攀猀琀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀礀⤀Ⰰ 漀爀 漀昀昀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀 ⠀愀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 䐀甀欀攀 倀愀琀爀椀挀欀 搀漀 ഊon several occaisions), or privately in camp (and even ਀漀渀挀攀 戀礀 氀攀琀琀攀爀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 戀攀 攀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀攀 漀爀 樀甀猀琀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 愀渀搀 栀攀愀爀琀昀攀氀琀⸀ഊAll include a swearing of fealty (squire to knight) ਀ 愀渀搀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 挀漀洀洀椀琀洀攀渀琀 ⠀戀漀琀栀 瀀愀爀琀椀攀猀⤀ ⠀℀℀℀℀ 愀氀氀ഊ this should be worked out before hand, different ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 渀攀攀搀猀℀℀℀℀℀⤀⸀ ഊThe belt is presented (no matter who it is made by) ਀ 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 匀焀甀椀爀攀 愀猀 愀 猀礀洀戀漀氀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 ഊrelationship. Most include the proto-squire's ਀猀椀最渀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 眀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀䰀漀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ഊrelationship beforehand and re-worked as the ਀爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀栀椀瀀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀⸀ 䐀漀攀猀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀琀漀ⴀ猀焀甀椀爀攀 渀攀攀搀 ഊlots of physical training from you directly, or will ਀ 礀漀甀 猀攀渀搀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 琀爀愀椀渀 漀挀挀愀椀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 ⠀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀ഊ primarily depending upon distance and time ਀爀攀猀琀爀愀椀渀琀猀⤀ 眀椀琀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 昀漀爀 搀椀瘀攀爀猀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀㼀ഊ Does the P-S need more mental work ਀ 愀渀搀⼀漀爀 戀攀栀愀瘀椀漀爀愀氀 愀搀樀甀猀琀洀攀渀琀猀㼀 䤀猀 琀栀攀 倀ⴀ匀 愀ഊ go-getter and need gentle direction and a voice in ਀ 琀栀攀 挀椀爀挀氀攀 漀爀 搀漀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 渀攀攀搀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀ഊ diligent effort all along the way? Lastly or maybe ਀昀椀爀猀琀氀礀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 椀渀 爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 ഊyour P-S needs? I am assuming of course that you ਀ 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 爀漀氀攀猀 漀昀 䬀渀椀最栀琀⼀匀焀甀椀爀攀 愀猀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀昀ഊ Teacher/Student. Not playing Amtgard and ਀欀渀漀眀椀渀最 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀渀礀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 䬀渀椀最栀琀栀漀漀搀猀 愀渀搀ഊ are a LAPG (not many SCAers consider ਀琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 猀甀挀栀⤀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 ഊneed. ਀ഊLorraine DeerSlayer, ਀刀愀瘀攀渀✀猀 䘀漀爀琀Ⰰ 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊAmatuer Anthropologist ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀㄀㄀⼀㜀⼀㤀㔀⤀ഊRE>Squires ਀ഊGreetings all! Being a Knight of this fine Kingdom is a "good thing" I was ਀漀渀挀攀 愀 匀焀甀椀爀攀 琀漀 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 琀眀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 䬀渀椀最栀琀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 眀愀猀 匀椀爀ഊJohn the Plain of Shern...we knew that I would not receive a lot of personal ਀愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀⸀ 伀甀爀 愀最爀攀攀洀攀渀琀 眀愀猀 猀甀挀栀 琀栀愀琀 椀昀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 甀猀 昀攀氀琀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀ഊbeing trained or represented properly then we would end our contract. In time ਀琀栀椀猀 挀愀洀攀 琀漀 瀀愀猀猀Ⰰ 匀椀爀 䨀漀栀渀 瀀愀猀猀攀搀 洀攀 愀氀漀渀最 琀漀 匀椀爀 䤀愀渀 䴀愀挀䈀愀椀爀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀ഊhard feelings between us and we remained friends until the untimely death of ਀匀椀爀 䨀漀栀渀⸀ 匀椀爀 䤀愀渀 栀愀搀 洀愀渀礀Ⰰ 洀愀渀礀 匀焀甀椀爀攀猀⸀⸀⸀䤀 眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 戀甀琀 愀 搀漀稀攀渀 漀爀 猀漀⸀ 圀攀ഊwere a diverse lot...and we did not receive all the personal training each of ਀甀猀 渀攀攀搀攀搀⸀ 唀猀甀愀氀氀礀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 琀椀洀攀 挀漀渀猀琀爀愀椀渀琀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 䤀✀洀   ഊslowly driving towards is this. I pick my Squires for their heart, not just ਀琀栀攀椀爀 愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀眀漀爀搀⸀ 䤀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 攀愀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 搀漀 渀漀 氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 䤀 搀椀搀⸀ഊTo strive to be the best artsian, to serve their Kingdom to the limits of ਀琀栀攀椀爀 愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 愀渀搀 戀攀礀漀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀漀 猀攀攀欀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 琀爀愀椀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 圀愀礀 漀昀 刀愀琀琀愀渀ഊfrom _all_ members of our Circle. Some of my 9 1/2 Squires ('Tis a long story ਀琀栀愀琀⸀⸀⸀⨀猀洀椀氀攀⨀⤀ 洀椀最栀琀 渀攀瘀攀爀 戀攀 䬀渀椀最栀琀猀⸀ 吀栀愀琀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 椀琀 椀猀⸀ 䈀甀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀ഊdo have one thing from me...my example to follow. I am not the most accessable ਀瀀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 渀漀爀 愀洀 䤀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀 琀爀愀椀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀 琀爀愀椀渀 琀栀攀洀⸀ 䤀渀ഊmany different ways. The Knights and Master in the Chivalric Circle are the ਀戀攀猀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䬀渀漀眀渀 圀漀爀氀搀Ⰰ 漀渀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀⸀ 䄀氀氀 漀昀 甀猀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀猀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䄀爀琀猀 漀昀  ഊCourtly grace, the Arts & Sciences, service to our Crown and Kingdom, and the Arts of Tournament and War. I don't just take "bodies" to say that I have a ਀氀漀琀 漀昀 匀焀甀椀爀攀猀Ⰰ 渀漀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀漀猀攀 昀漀氀欀 ∀椀渀 洀礀 猀琀愀戀氀攀∀ 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 䠀攀愀爀琀 愀渀搀 ഊDesire, those that can operate, mostly, by themselves. Those that do not need ਀琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀琀攀瀀猀 最甀椀搀攀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀 洀漀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀愀礀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 椀渀搀攀瀀攀渀搀攀渀琀 愀渀搀ഊindividuals, and I want them that way. Well, this rant is over for now. Thank ਀礀漀甀 愀氀氀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 猀琀愀琀攀 洀礀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最猀⸀ 圀椀琀栀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 愀渀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀ഊeach of you, my Squires, and Ansteorra, ਀ഊSir Arenvald Kief av Kiersted, Baron Ravens Fort, Lion of Ansteorra ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀㄀㄀⼀㈀㔀⼀㤀㔀⤀ഊTo: ansteorra at eden.com ਀刀䔀㸀匀焀甀椀爀攀猀ഊ ਀刀甀猀猀攀氀氀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀琀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀⸀  䄀 䬀渀椀最栀琀ⴀ匀焀甀椀爀攀 爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀栀椀瀀 椀猀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 漀渀攀 愀渀搀ഊ> not bounded by any Kingdom border. It is fairly common to see a Squire ਀㸀 琀漀 愀 ∀昀漀爀攀椀最渀∀ 䬀渀椀最栀琀⸀  吀栀椀猀 漀昀琀攀渀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 匀焀甀椀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀ഊ> live in that other Kingdom, and moved. ਀ഊOr if the knight and squire(s) in question happen to live near the ਀戀漀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀⸀  䄀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 猀甀挀栀 愀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀 栀愀猀渀✀琀 攀砀椀猀琀攀搀ഊhere for a while, it would be very easy to do where I live in St. ਀䰀漀甀椀猀⸀  吀栀攀 䴀椀猀猀漀甀爀椀 猀椀搀攀 椀猀 琀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 吀栀爀攀攀 刀椀瘀攀爀猀Ⰰ 䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊthe Illinois side is the Barony of Shattered Crystal, Midrealm. There ਀栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀猀 椀渀 瀀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀猀 漀昀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀 椀渀 漀渀攀 最爀漀甀瀀ഊtaking a squire in the other. ਀ഊCalontir and the Midrealm even have a treaty to address the issue of ਀琀栀漀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀瘀攀 漀渀 漀渀攀 猀椀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀爀搀攀爀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀礀 攀渀漀甀最栀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊside to garner awards and recognition from the Crowns of that kingdom. ਀䤀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀猀 氀椀猀琀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀愀琀礀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀椀挀愀氀氀礀 甀瀀搀愀琀攀搀⤀ 愀爀攀ഊrecognized by both Crowns as participants in both kingdoms, and ਀椀渀挀氀甀猀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀愀琀礀 挀漀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀猀 瀀爀椀漀爀 渀漀琀椀昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 愀眀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 猀漀ഊthat seperate permission isn't needed for each honor said individuals ਀洀椀最栀琀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ∀昀漀爀攀椀最渀∀ 洀漀渀愀爀挀栀猀⸀ഊ ਀䴀椀欀樀愀氀 䄀渀渀愀爀戀樀漀爀渀ഊ-- ਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䄀⸀ 䌀栀愀渀挀攀          匀琀⸀ 䰀漀甀椀猀Ⰰ 䴀椀猀猀漀甀爀椀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀    ∀䄀琀 瀀氀愀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀猀ഊWork: mc307a at sw1stc.sbc.com of St. Vidicon" ਀倀氀愀礀㨀 洀挀栀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 挀爀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:55:00 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䴀椀琀挀栀攀氀氀Ⰰ 倀愀甀氀 吀∀ 㰀䴀吀䌀䠀倀吀䄀䄀 愀琀 匀䴀吀倀䜀䄀吀䔀⸀氀洀琀愀猀⸀氀洀挀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: RE: You *can* sometimes get what you wan ਀吀漀㨀 䄀一匀吀䔀伀刀刀䄀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀㰀猀渀椀瀀℀㸀ഊ> I think such techniques work better for peerages -- fewer candidates ਀㸀 愀渀搀Ⰰ 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 猀愀礀 ∀洀漀爀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀∀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀ഊ> just get an AoA and it's *their* most important award, but ... ਀㸀 䄀渀礀眀愀礀⸀  䤀✀瘀攀 栀攀愀爀搀 琀栀愀琀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 眀椀氀氀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 愀猀欀 漀栀 猀漀 挀愀猀甀愀氀氀礀ഊ> when a candidate's name starts getting mentioned "what do you think of ਀㸀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀 愀眀愀爀搀猀㼀  漀爀 昀椀攀氀搀 欀渀椀最栀琀椀渀最猀㼀∀ 漀爀 猀漀洀攀 猀甀挀栀⸀ഊ> -- ਀㸀 䐀愀渀椀攀氀 搀攀 䰀椀渀挀漀氀渀ഊ> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at crl.com ਀ഊThis is one of the advantages of being a squire/protege/apprentice, too. ਀唀猀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ ∀礀漀甀爀∀ 瀀攀攀爀 眀椀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 礀漀甀爀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀愀渀 愀搀瘀椀猀攀 琀栀攀   ഊCrown. This is also true in the case of cadets and their Dons. ਀ഊ - Galen of Bristol ਀瀀洀椀琀挀栀攀氀 愀琀 昀氀愀猀栀⸀渀攀琀ഊpaul.t.mitchell at lmco.com ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀愀猀栀⸀渀攀琀⼀縀瀀洀椀琀挀栀攀氀⼀最愀氀攀渀⸀栀琀洀  ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Mitchell, Paul (DALLAS)" ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊSubject: RE: ANST - Proteges, Squires, Apprentices ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㔀㨀㔀㤀㨀   ⴀ 㐀  ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䈀椀氀氀 匀栀漀氀愀爀ഊ ਀㸀䄀猀 愀 渀攀眀挀漀洀攀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 倀攀攀爀猀 栀愀猀 爀愀椀猀攀搀 猀漀洀攀ഊ>questions. How does one become a Protege, Squire or Apprentice? (Or ਀㸀䌀愀搀攀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀琀琀攀爀㼀⤀ 䄀爀攀 琀栀漀猀攀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀挀栀椀攀瘀攀洀攀渀琀㼀 䄀爀攀ഊ>they 'half-way' to the full blown Peerage (or Grant)? Are they merely a ਀㸀搀攀挀氀愀爀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 栀愀猀 猀攀琀 昀漀漀琀 漀渀 琀栀愀琀 爀漀愀搀㼀 䤀渀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊ>words do they recognize skill/merit or intentions? Something in the ਀㸀洀椀搀搀氀攀㼀 圀栀漀 椀猀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀攀挀椀猀椀漀渀 琀漀 愀眀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀搀⼀最爀攀攀渀⼀礀攀氀氀漀眀ഊ>belt? Is there a ceremony like there is with a Peerage or is it a ਀㸀瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 洀愀琀琀攀爀㼀ഊ>--Bill ਀ഊSquires, proteges, apprentices and cadets are labels for kinds ਀漀昀 爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀栀椀瀀猀⸀  吀栀攀礀 攀愀挀栀 栀愀瘀攀 洀甀挀栀 椀渀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊothers. Squires are in training to be members of the chivalry, ਀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 ⠀䴀愀猀琀攀爀猀 漀昀 䄀爀洀猀 漀昀琀攀渀 挀愀氀氀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀ഊ"students"), apprentices are in training to become Masters ਀漀爀 䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀琀攀最攀猀 愀猀瀀椀爀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 伀爀搀攀爀ഊof the Pelican, and cadets aspire to the Order of the White ਀匀挀愀爀昀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀氀氀 甀猀攀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 愀猀 愀渀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 椀琀✀猀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 戀攀猀琀Ⰰഊbut I feel confident these generalities are true across the ਀戀漀愀爀搀⸀ഊ ਀䔀愀挀栀 欀渀椀最栀琀ⴀ猀焀甀椀爀攀 爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀栀椀瀀 椀猀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 㔀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀ഊ(going on 6) and each relationship is different from each of ਀琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀猀⸀  䔀愀挀栀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 栀愀猀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀猀Ⰰ 眀攀愀欀渀攀猀猀攀猀ഊand needs, and each knight has different standards, styles ਀愀渀搀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䠀漀眀 搀漀 礀漀甀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 漀渀攀㼀  䐀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀 愀 爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀栀椀瀀 眀椀琀栀 愀ഊpeer (or Don). It should be a natural progression from there ਀琀漀 昀漀爀洀愀氀椀稀攀 椀琀⸀  䴀漀猀琀 ⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀⤀ 搀漀渀✀琀 洀椀渀搀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀ഊthe subject if you want to get their point of view on it. ਀ഊTheses are not titles like other SCA titles. They are ਀渀漀琀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀挀栀椀攀瘀攀洀攀渀琀 猀漀 洀甀挀栀 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀ഊidentifiers for those who've made a commitment to ਀猀琀爀椀瘀攀 昀漀爀 愀渀 椀搀攀愀氀⸀  吀栀攀礀 搀漀 一伀吀 挀漀渀瘀攀礀 爀愀渀欀 琀漀ഊthe holder. ਀ഊThey do not signify that the person is "half-way" to ਀愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最⸀  䄀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 漀渀挀攀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ ∀愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀ഊred belt really means is that some knight, somewhere, ਀琀栀椀渀欀猀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀✀琀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 漀渀 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀⸀∀  一漀眀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀✀猀ഊa bit harsh, but you can use that line on any squires ਀琀栀愀琀 猀琀愀爀琀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 戀攀氀琀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 瀀爀攀挀攀搀攀渀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀夀漀甀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 挀愀渀✀琀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 愀 爀攀搀 戀攀氀琀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 欀椀渀搀ഊof good idea of how good the fighter is. Last Saturday ਀洀漀爀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 匀椀爀 䄀砀攀氀✀猀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 䐀椀攀琀攀爀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀ⴀഊquality fighter (he was knighted that morning). Next ਀匀愀琀甀爀搀愀礀 洀漀爀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 匀椀爀 䄀砀攀氀✀猀 渀攀眀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 伀稀攀氀愀礀ഊwill be, well, not ready for her spurs yet. ਀ഊEach peer has his own standards for these ਀愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 琀栀椀渀最猀 琀栀攀礀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀爀⸀ഊsome want more accomplished students, others ਀搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀  吀栀攀 搀攀挀椀猀椀漀渀 椀猀 猀漀氀攀氀礀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀ഊthe two individuals, although either may consult ਀漀琀栀攀爀猀 ⠀䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 最椀瘀攀 洀礀 氀愀搀礀 瘀攀琀漀 瀀漀眀攀爀 漀瘀攀爀ഊnew squires, and I usually give my other squires ਀愀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 爀愀椀猀攀 漀戀樀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䌀攀爀攀洀漀渀椀攀猀Ⰰ 琀漀漀 愀爀攀 愀 瘀愀爀椀愀戀氀攀 琀栀椀渀最⸀  䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀ഊit done up big in court, and I've seen belts just ਀琀漀猀猀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 愀 昀攀愀猀琀⸀  䤀琀 愀氀氀ഊdepends on the individuals' styles and desires. ਀ഊ - Galen of Bristol ਀瀀洀椀琀挀栀攀氀 愀琀 昀氀愀猀栀⸀渀攀琀 ⠀栀洀⤀ഊmitchell at dallas.genphysics.com (wk) ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䘀攀戀 ㈀    ㄀㤀㨀㌀ 㨀㄀㘀 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: Brent Hanner ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䈀䜀 ⴀ 䄀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 吀椀搀戀椀琀 ⴀ 吀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 椀渀 栀愀氀氀 愀渀搀 戀漀眀攀爀ഊTo: "bryn-gwlad at ansteorra.org" ਀ഊThe Squire in Hall and Bower ਀ഊFair, and fairer still than I can say, was Blonde the Earl's daughter. ਀匀栀攀 猀愀琀 愀琀 搀椀渀渀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 戀礀 䨀攀栀愀渀Ⰰ 昀愀椀爀 愀渀搀 昀爀攀攀 漀昀 戀漀搀礀Ⰰ 眀栀漀ഊpained himself much to earn all men's grace by his courteous service. ਀䠀攀 眀愀椀琀攀搀 渀漀琀 漀渀 栀椀猀 氀愀搀礀 愀氀漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 搀漀眀渀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 栀愀氀氀㬀ഊknight and lady, squire and page, groom and messenger, all he served ਀愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 搀攀猀椀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀甀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀氀氀 栀攀 攀愀爀渀攀搀 最漀漀搀ⴀ眀椀氀氀⸀  䠀攀ഊknew well to seize the moment for serving and honoring each guest, so ਀琀栀愀琀 䈀氀漀渀搀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀愀椀爀 愀渀搀 猀栀愀瀀攀氀礀Ⰰ 昀漀甀渀搀 栀攀爀 渀攀攀搀猀 渀漀渀攀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀猀攀ഊsupplied. ਀ഊ After the dinner they washed their hands, and went to play , each as ਀栀攀 眀漀甀氀搀Ⰰ 甀瀀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀漀爀攀猀琀 漀爀 搀漀眀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 爀椀瘀攀爀 漀爀 椀渀 挀漀洀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀ഊpastime. Jehan went with whom he would; and, on his return, oftentimes ਀眀漀甀氀搀 栀攀 最漀 琀漀 瀀氀愀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀渀琀攀猀猀✀猀 戀漀眀攀爀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀椀攀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 椀琀ഊwere by main force, kept him to teach them French. He, as a courteous ਀礀漀甀琀栀Ⰰ 搀椀搀 愀渀搀 猀愀椀搀 攀瘀攀爀 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀爀愀礀攀爀Ⰰ 愀猀 漀渀攀 眀栀漀 眀攀氀氀 欀渀攀眀ഊhow to comport himself. Well he knew all chamber games-- chess and ਀琀愀戀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 搀椀挀攀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀眀椀琀栀 栀攀 搀椀瘀攀爀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀礀 䈀氀漀渀搀攀㬀 漀昀琀攀渀 猀愀椀搀 栀攀ഊcheck and mate to her. Many other games he taught her; and taught her a ਀戀攀琀琀攀爀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 琀栀愀渀 猀栀攀 栀愀搀 欀渀漀眀渀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 栀椀猀 挀漀洀椀渀最㬀  眀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀攀 猀栀攀 栀攀氀搀ഊhim full dear..... ਀ഊ One day, as Blonde sat at table, it was for Jehan to carve before ਀栀攀爀⸀⸀⸀䈀礀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 栀攀 挀愀猀琀 栀椀猀 攀礀攀猀 漀渀 栀攀爀㬀  礀攀琀 栀攀 栀愀搀 猀攀攀渀 栀攀爀 搀愀椀氀礀ഊthese eighteen weeks past... From this look such thoughts came into his ਀栀攀愀搀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 漀渀 栀椀猀 挀愀爀瘀椀渀最 栀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 渀漀 洀漀爀攀⸀  䈀氀漀渀搀攀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 洀愀爀欀攀搀 栀椀猀ഊthoughts astray, took upon her to rebuke him therefore, and bad him ਀琀栀椀渀欀 漀渀 栀椀猀 挀愀爀瘀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 搀攀氀愀礀⸀  匀攀攀椀渀最 琀栀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 䨀攀栀愀渀 栀攀愀爀搀 栀攀爀ഊnot for the moment, then spake she again, "Carve, Jehan! are you ਀猀氀攀攀瀀椀渀最 漀爀 搀爀攀愀洀椀渀最 栀攀爀攀㼀  䤀 瀀爀愀礀 礀漀甀Ⰰ 最椀瘀攀 洀攀 渀漀眀 琀漀 攀愀琀㬀 漀昀 礀漀甀爀ഊcourtesy, dream now no more." At this word Jehan heard her voice; ਀琀栀攀爀攀眀椀琀栀 栀攀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 愀猀 漀渀攀 眀栀漀 椀猀 猀栀愀欀攀渀 猀甀搀搀攀渀氀礀 昀爀漀洀 栀椀猀 猀氀攀攀瀀⸀  䠀攀ഊmarveled at this adventure; he seized the knife as a man in a dream, ਀愀渀搀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 挀愀爀瘀攀 眀攀氀氀 愀渀搀 昀愀椀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀漀 搀椀猀琀爀愀甀最栀琀 眀愀猀 栀攀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 挀甀琀ഊdeep into two fingers: forth sprang blood as he rose from table, and sad ਀眀愀猀 䈀氀漀渀搀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 猀椀最栀琀⸀  䨀攀栀愀渀 瀀爀愀礀攀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 琀漀 挀愀爀瘀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀ഊhis lady, and went forthwith to his own chamber. ਀ഊPhilippe de Reimes ਀䈀氀漀渀搀攀 漀昀 伀砀昀漀爀搀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris squires-msg Page 9 of 9 ਀ഊ