children-msg - 4/29/09 ਀ഊChildren in the SCA and period. ਀ഊNOTE: See also these files: babies-msg, toddlr-tethrs-msg, teenagers-msg, child-clothes-msg, child-gam-msg, toys-msg, Toys-in-th-MA-art, child-wagons-msg, p-cook-child-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀  栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀  栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀  愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀  漀昀  攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀  眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀  眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀  眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀  渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀  愀猀  琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀  漀昀  琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  最椀瘀攀渀  戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀  爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀  愀渀搀  攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀  琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀  琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀  挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀  漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀  椀猀  甀渀挀氀攀愀爀  愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀  椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  椀猀  瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀  昀爀漀洀  琀栀攀猀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: Marion.Kee at A.NL.CS.CMU.EDU ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䘀攀戀 㤀　 ㄀㠀㨀㔀㌀㨀　　 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀 昀爀漀洀 䰀愀搀礀 䴀愀爀椀愀渀 䜀爀攀攀渀氀攀愀昀㨀ഊ ਀䤀琀✀猀 最爀攀愀琀 琀漀 猀攀攀 琀栀椀猀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 挀漀洀攀 甀瀀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 椀渀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀ഊpopulation is largely un-childed and may not keep the topic going for ਀瘀攀爀礀 氀漀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 欀椀搀猀 礀攀琀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 戀甀琀 氀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀 䤀 眀愀猀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀ഊplanning and claiming a rather tightly-organized encampment which had ਀琀漀 愀挀挀漀洀漀搀愀琀攀 㜀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 爀愀渀最椀渀最 椀渀 愀最攀 昀爀漀洀 ㈀　 洀漀渀琀栀猀 琀漀 㠀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀ഊSo I tried to do my homework, talking to parents and thinking of the ਀眀栀漀氀攀 琀栀椀渀最 愀猀 愀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀⸀  吀栀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 椀洀瀀氀攀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 愀洀愀稀椀渀最氀礀ഊwell. I will limit the discussion more or less to physical support ਀愀爀爀愀渀最攀洀攀渀琀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 攀渀搀 甀瀀 搀漀椀渀最 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀椀愀瀀攀爀ⴀ挀栀愀渀最椀渀最ഊlevel of work. ਀ഊThis all may sound complex, but if you set it up right it's amazingly ਀攀愀猀礀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 最漀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀 漀爀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 爀攀愀挀栀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 愀琀ഊleast the bench level of every picnic table (depending on the agility ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀⤀ 椀猀 琀漀 戀攀 欀攀瀀琀 猀琀爀椀挀琀氀礀 挀栀椀氀搀瀀爀漀漀昀攀搀⸀  吀漀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀ഊthis, I designed and built a portable high shelf attached to 2 4X4's. ਀⠀䤀 戀漀爀爀漀眀攀搀 愀 瀀漀猀琀ⴀ栀漀氀攀 搀椀最最攀爀ⴀⴀ琀栀攀 甀瀀爀椀最栀琀 椀爀漀渀 爀漀搀 欀椀渀搀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀ഊbest on the dirt at Cooper's--and it took me a couple of hours to dig the ਀栀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 猀攀琀 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀琀猀 洀漀爀攀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀琀琀愀挀栀 琀栀攀 猀栀攀氀昀⸀⤀ഊThe shelf is a foot wide and about 8 feet long; it holds the propane stoves, ਀愀氀氀 欀渀椀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀栀愀爀瀀 椀洀瀀氀攀洀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 搀攀琀攀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 洀愀琀挀栀攀猀 ⠀昀甀爀琀栀攀爀ഊencased in closed containers), and anything else that needs to be up ਀栀椀最栀⸀  䄀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 猀瀀愀挀攀 挀漀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 栀漀漀欀猀 猀攀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 甀瀀爀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊtops of the 4X4's (about 5 feet above the ground). A portable table, ਀猀攀琀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 漀渀攀 攀渀搀 爀攀愀挀栀攀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 猀栀攀氀昀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀猀 洀漀爀攀 爀漀漀洀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊcook to set things while actually working, and provides a place to set ਀渀漀渀ⴀ搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 愀渀搀 甀琀攀渀猀椀氀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 戀攀椀渀最 琀漀漀 栀椀最栀 昀漀爀 猀洀愀氀氀ഊchildren to climb (but watch where you set chairs around it!) The whole ਀挀漀瘀攀爀猀 渀椀挀攀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 ㄀㈀堀㄀㈀ 搀椀渀椀渀最 昀氀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 爀漀漀洀 ഊleft to put in seating. To secure the fly for storms, put everything ਀甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 猀栀攀氀昀 愀爀攀愀 愀渀搀 氀愀猀栀 琀栀攀 昀氀礀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀 琀椀欀椀 琀漀爀挀栀攀猀 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀 昀甀攀氀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 漀昀 氀椀最栀琀 椀渀ഊcamp. Period. Lit candles are always hung out of reach and must be ਀攀砀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀攀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 挀愀洀瀀 漀爀 最漀攀猀 琀漀 戀攀搀⸀  匀椀渀挀攀ഊeveryone knows where to find the matches (on the shelf!) this is not ਀爀攀愀氀氀礀 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 愀渀 椀渀挀漀渀瘀攀渀椀攀渀挀攀⸀  䔀氀攀挀琀爀椀挀 氀愀渀琀攀爀渀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 最漀漀搀 椀昀ഊyou are not particularly purist. ਀ഊThe firepit (yes, we had one) is always attended when lit. This was ਀氀攀猀猀 漀昀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 琀栀愀渀 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 琀栀椀渀欀⸀  匀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀愀爀攀 昀漀爀ഊreally hot things in general and the heat can be felt several feet away. ਀䰀攀愀瘀椀渀最 氀椀瘀攀 挀漀愀氀猀 挀漀渀挀攀愀氀攀搀 甀渀搀攀爀 愀猀栀攀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 眀愀欀椀渀最 栀漀甀爀猀ഊis strictly forbidden. People who come back to camp during the wee ਀栀漀甀爀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 挀栀攀挀欀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀攀瀀椀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 爀攀琀椀爀椀渀最⸀  圀椀琀栀 ㌀　 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀ഊin camp this means it gets checked. ਀ഊThere is a children's play area. It has a couple of dining flies set ਀琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 猀栀愀搀攀㬀 洀愀礀戀攀 愀 猀挀爀攀攀渀 栀漀甀猀攀⸀  吀栀攀 琀栀椀渀 琀愀琀愀洀椀 洀愀琀猀ഊsold in discount stores are great for flooring. You can put up a card ਀琀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 挀栀愀椀爀猀Ⰰ 洀愀礀戀攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 瀀椀挀渀椀挀 琀愀戀氀攀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 猀栀愀搀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 欀攀攀瀀ഊlots of kid-type supplies there. If you fear bad weather at night, ਀樀甀猀琀 搀爀漀瀀 琀栀攀 昀氀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 氀愀猀栀 琀栀攀洀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀愀戀氀攀㬀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀 栀愀瘀攀ഊto move much stuff, except for essentials such as diapering supplies and ਀昀愀瘀漀爀椀琀攀 琀漀礀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 最漀 眀栀攀爀攀瘀攀爀 礀漀甀爀 欀椀搀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 椀猀ⴀⴀ瀀氀愀礀 愀爀攀愀Ⰰഊtent, or out with an adult. Play areas require space and you should ਀瀀氀愀渀 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最氀礀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 琀椀最栀琀㬀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 猀氀攀攀瀀椀渀最 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀⸀ഊShade is absolutely essential. Children suffer more from heat and ਀搀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀攀 昀愀猀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀搀甀氀琀猀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 挀栀椀氀搀 眀椀氀氀 渀愀瀀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀瀀攀渀 猀栀愀搀攀Ⰰഊthat's ideal--better than a hot tent in mid-afternoon! ਀ഊThe play area, in a larger encampment, is not close to the cooking fly. ਀夀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 挀漀洀戀椀渀攀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 攀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊpolicing the area and keep in mind your child's ability to climb. ਀ഊAdults and older children camping in the area must agree to keep ਀搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀 椀琀攀洀猀 猀攀挀甀爀攀搀 愀渀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 猀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀甀猀琀 挀氀漀猀攀 甀瀀 琀栀攀椀爀 琀攀渀琀猀ഊwhen they are not in them. Ventilation should be discreet and not ਀椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 琀攀洀瀀琀椀渀最 瘀椀攀眀猀 漀昀 攀瘀攀爀礀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 愀爀洀漀爀 琀栀攀礀 漀眀渀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀 愀氀氀 漀瘀攀爀ഊthe floor. These things can inspire an 18-month-old to master the ਀洀礀猀琀攀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 稀椀瀀瀀攀爀猀 椀渀 爀攀挀漀爀搀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ ਀䬀椀搀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀 戀攀搀琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 渀愀瀀琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀愀洀瀀攀爀猀 欀渀漀眀ഊwhen these are. If there are other parents in camp, coordinate. ਀ഊBabysitting duties are coordinated and shared. ਀ഊAt dusk, before bedtime for the mobile kids, tie a lightstick on each ਀挀栀椀氀搀⸀  吀栀攀礀 氀漀瘀攀 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 洀愀欀攀猀 琀栀攀洀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 愀渀搀 瀀爀攀瘀攀渀琀猀ഊcollisions when they are chasing each other in the twilight. Why are ਀琀栀攀礀 挀栀愀猀椀渀最 攀愀挀栀 漀琀栀攀爀㼀  匀漀 琀栀攀礀✀氀氀 搀爀漀瀀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 漀昀昀 琀漀 猀氀攀攀瀀Ⰰ 漀昀ഊcourse! (not that you can stop them in any case.) ਀ഊIf you cannot be close to water, arrange ahead of time for somebody ਀攀氀猀攀 琀漀 挀愀爀爀礀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 礀漀甀 漀渀 愀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀 戀愀猀椀猀⸀  匀愀洀攀 昀漀爀 椀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 欀椀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 漀甀琀 漀昀 搀椀愀瀀攀爀猀 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 漀氀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 最漀 瀀漀琀琀礀 漀渀ഊtheir own, try to get a spot reasonably close to whatever variety of ਀琀漀椀氀攀琀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 眀椀氀氀 琀漀氀攀爀愀琀攀⸀  吀栀攀 愀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀瘀攀 椀猀 琀漀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀ഊpotty chair and empty it yourself. Personally I feel that the camping ਀爀甀氀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 ⠀愀渀搀 䤀 䐀伀一✀吀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 猀琀愀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀ഊgoing again!) somehow need to accomodate small children in this regard. ਀ഊBarriers such as wind screens and closed tents look more solid to small ਀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀礀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 愀爀攀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 攀砀瀀氀漀椀琀 琀栀椀猀⸀  䄀渀礀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀ഊdefined boundary will mean something to most kids. This is important; ਀渀攀椀最栀戀漀爀椀渀最 攀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀猀 眀椀氀氀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀 挀栀椀氀搀瀀爀漀漀昀⸀  䈀爀椀渀最ഊhighly visible ropes and stakes. (Mine are orange and yellow!) ਀ഊIf they run their legs off during the day, they will totally conk out at ਀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 爀攀瘀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀攀瀀椀琀 愀渀搀 瀀愀爀琀礀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 氀椀欀攀 愀ഊlittle excess in that department, trade off "excess nights" with other ਀瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 漀爀 戀愀戀礀猀椀琀琀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀✀猀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀猀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀愀猀琀ഊyear. I'm sure there are people out there with more detailed advice on ਀戀愀戀椀攀猀 瀀攀爀 猀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 昀漀爀 挀漀漀瀀攀爀愀琀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊpeople in your encampment, no matter how old the kids are. ਀ഊIn service to the child and parental units of the Known World, ਀ഊ--Lady Marian Greenleaf ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀椀漀渀⸀䬀攀攀 愀琀 䄀⸀一䰀⸀䌀匀⸀䌀䴀唀⸀䔀䐀唀ഊDate: 16 Feb 90 16:31:00 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 昀漀爀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 䄀渀愀挀栀爀漀渀椀猀洀ഊ ਀匀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 氀漀挀愀氀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀猀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀ഊin reprinting my article of Feb. 15 on camping with small children. ਀倀攀爀洀椀猀猀椀漀渀 椀猀 栀攀爀攀戀礀 最爀愀渀琀攀搀 昀漀爀 匀䌀䄀 爀攀瀀爀椀渀琀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀猀⸀  䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀ഊcopyright it. If you reprint, I'd appreciate a credit to Lady Marian ਀䜀爀攀攀渀氀攀愀昀Ⰰ 䈀愀爀漀渀礀ⴀ䴀愀爀挀栀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䐀攀戀愀琀攀愀戀氀攀 䰀愀渀搀猀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀  吀栀愀渀欀猀ഊfor the positive responses; I'm interested in seeing how others handle ਀琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 挀栀愀氀氀攀渀最攀猀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀ䴀愀爀椀愀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Orilee_J_Ireland-Delfs.wbst845 at XEROX.COM ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㐀 䴀愀礀 㤀　 ㈀　㨀㔀　㨀㔀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Society for Creative Anachronism ਀ഊGreetings to the parents of kids under 5 from Lady Orianna, the mother of ਀愀渀 ⠀愀氀洀漀猀琀⤀ ㌀ 礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀℀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 栀愀搀 琀栀椀猀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 琀漀漀⸀  䬀椀搀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 愀琀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 愀爀攀ഊusually geared for children age 5 or 8 and up (and yet many also miss that ਀最愀瀀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 ㄀㈀ 愀渀搀 ㄀㔀 琀漀漀⤀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 栀攀爀愀氀搀爀礀 愀渀搀ഊsuch. Rarely do you find activities for the under 5 crowd. ਀ഊWe have tried to have some activities at a couple of events for the under 5 ਀挀爀漀眀搀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀㨀 愀 瀀氀愀礀 愀爀攀愀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 洀愀樀漀爀 愀搀甀氀琀 愀爀攀愀 戀礀ഊbenches so the children could play but still be close to the main activity. ਀吀栀攀 瀀氀愀礀 愀爀攀愀 栀愀搀 愀最攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 琀漀礀猀 ⠀椀渀 愀 最礀洀 眀攀 甀猀攀搀 戀愀氀氀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊkids could chase), crafts (coloring pens or crayons, paper, etc.), a snack ਀琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 猀琀漀爀礀 琀攀氀氀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 瀀氀愀渀渀攀搀 渀愀瀀 琀椀洀攀 昀漀爀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀椀猀栀椀渀最 椀琀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊkids would take a collective nap or quiet time out with supervision by an ਀愀搀甀氀琀 愀渀搀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 昀爀攀攀 琀漀 攀渀樀漀礀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  匀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀 眀愀猀 愀ഊlittle bad, we didn't do some of the outdoor activites that we had planned, ਀氀椀欀攀 愀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 眀愀氀欀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 漀氀搀攀爀 欀椀搀猀 愀渀搀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 ∀爀甀渀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀礀∀ 昀漀爀ഊthe younger. ਀ഊOur solution to having our daughter along consisted of the following: ਀圀攀 猀攀氀攀挀琀攀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 眀攀 琀漀漀欀 栀攀爀 琀漀 愀渀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 猀栀攀 猀琀愀礀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 䜀爀愀渀搀洀愀ഊ(luckily, her "Oma" is close and will babysit). We made sure that if the ਀攀瘀攀渀琀 眀愀猀 琀漀漀 戀椀最 ⠀䤀挀攀 䐀爀愀最漀渀⤀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 最甀愀爀愀渀琀攀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 昀漀爀 欀椀搀猀 琀漀ഊrun and play in (Ice Dragon), was a heavy work event for one of us ਀⠀䤀渀瘀攀猀琀椀琀甀爀攀猀 愀渀搀 䌀漀爀漀渀攀琀 吀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 眀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀漀琀栀 戀攀 戀甀猀礀 栀攀爀愀氀搀椀渀最ഊor setting up court all day, or events that we were autocratting and ਀爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀⤀Ⰰ 漀爀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀愀搀礀 昀漀爀 愀 戀爀攀愀欀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 最漀⸀ഊ ਀伀琀栀攀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 愀爀攀 椀搀攀愀氀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 栀攀爀 琀漀⸀  䴀礀爀欀昀愀攀氀椀渀渀✀猀 愀渀渀甀愀氀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 攀瘀攀渀琀ഊhas lots of open space for her to run in and doesn't require much effort on ਀漀甀爀 瀀愀爀琀 琀漀 愀琀琀攀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀伀甀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀漀瀀椀渀最 猀琀爀愀琀攀最礀 眀愀猀 愀 礀漀甀渀最 氀愀搀礀 眀栀漀 愀琀琀攀渀搀攀搀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 甀猀⸀  䤀昀ഊBrigid was along, we paid Kilde's way as payment for her help with Brigid. ਀吀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 愀 猀栀愀爀攀搀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 愀 昀甀氀氀ⴀ琀椀洀攀 戀愀戀礀猀椀琀琀椀渀最 愀爀爀愀渀最攀洀攀渀琀⸀  䄀琀ഊcamping events, we would take turns on who spent the evening in camp and ਀眀栀漀 眀攀渀琀 挀愀洀瀀 栀漀瀀瀀椀渀最⸀  䄀琀 椀渀搀漀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 䬀椀氀搀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀攀氀瀀 漀甀琀 椀昀Ⰰ 昀漀爀ഊexample, we both had business in Court and Kilde would hold Brigid. When ਀䬀椀氀搀攀 眀攀渀琀 琀漀 挀漀氀氀攀最攀Ⰰ 眀攀 最漀琀 氀漀猀琀℀  圀攀 栀愀搀 琀爀甀攀氀礀 戀攀攀渀 猀瀀漀椀氀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀礀眀愀礀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀漀漀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 椀猀⸀  䴀礀  猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀漀 愀⤀ 昀椀渀搀ഊsomeone to share the burden with, even if this means paying their way to ਀琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  戀⤀ 瀀氀愀渀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀 礀漀甀爀 欀椀搀猀 攀渀樀漀礀 ⠀爀攀愀搀椀渀最ഊstories to them, playing with their favorite toys, coloring if they are old ਀攀渀漀甀最栀⤀⸀  挀⤀ 昀椀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 欀椀搀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 愀最攀⸀  倀漀漀氀 爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊkids. Let the kids play together while you get acquainted and swap "war" ਀猀琀漀爀椀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀 愀爀攀 漀氀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 戀攀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 愀琀ഊan event, you will probably spend a lot of time sitting on the sidelines. ਀䘀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 眀栀漀 愀爀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 猀椀琀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀 琀漀 琀愀氀欀Ⰰ 猀漀 礀漀甀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀ഊaren't isolated. ਀ഊBest of luck! ਀伀爀椀愀渀渀愀ഊThescorre, AEthelmearc, East ਀刀漀挀栀攀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 一夀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ddfr at tank.uchicago.edu (david director friedman) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㘀 䴀愀礀 㤀　 　㔀㨀㐀㘀㨀㔀㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of Chicago ਀ഊAwilda mentions a seventeenth century baby walker, and wonders how ਀昀愀爀 戀愀挀欀 琀栀攀礀 最漀⸀ 圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 戀漀漀欀 眀椀琀栀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 愀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 洀椀渀椀愀琀甀爀攀ഊshowing the holy family with Jesus in a walker. I can check the date ਀椀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 ⠀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: JCASE%TUFTS.BITNET at MITVMA.MIT.EDU ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㜀 伀挀琀 㤀　 　㔀㨀㔀㔀㨀　　 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀伀渀 琀栀攀 樀漀甀爀渀攀礀 栀漀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀 琀漀搀愀礀Ⰰ 洀礀 氀愀搀礀 愀渀搀 䤀 眀攀爀攀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀渀最 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 ഊof children growing up in the SCA. A subject came up which I thought might ਀洀愀欀攀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 琀漀瀀椀挀Ⰰ 琀漀 眀椀琀㨀  䄀爀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 眀栀漀 愀爀攀 最爀漀眀椀渀最 ഊup in the SCA more likely to be more trusting of strangers than other children. ਀圀攀 栀愀搀 渀漀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最猀琀攀爀 ⠀㘀ⴀ㄀㈀ 礀攀愀爀猀⤀ 眀栀漀 栀愀搀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀 猀漀 栀愀爀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 氀漀爀搀猀ഊand ladies, and whom the children had no qualms about relating to, and we had ਀渀漀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀 愀渀搀 䈀愀爀漀渀攀猀猀 䌀愀爀漀氀椀渀最椀愀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 ഊpassed from person to person among whomever wished to hold he, and at five ਀洀漀渀琀栀猀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀戀猀漀氀甀琀攀氀礀 渀漀 昀攀愀爀 漀昀 猀琀爀愀渀最攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀愀琀 搀漀 漀琀栀攀爀 昀椀猀栀攀爀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀 琀栀椀渀欀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 爀愀椀猀攀搀 漀爀ഊare raising SCA children think? ਀ഊTaran ਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊLord Taran of Windy Hill John H. Case ਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䌀愀爀漀氀椀渀最椀愀                                       㠀㜀 䴀漀爀攀氀愀渀搀 匀琀⸀ഊKingdom of the East Somerville, MA 02145-1441 ਀                              䨀䌀䄀匀䔀 愀琀 琀甀昀琀猀⸀戀椀琀渀攀琀ഊ**************************************************************************** ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀琀渀 愀琀 渀甀琀琀攀爀⸀挀猀⸀瘀琀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀吀攀爀爀礀 一甀琀琀攀爀⤀ഊDate: 4 Sep 91 18:05:22 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 嘀椀爀最椀渀椀愀 吀攀挀栀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 䈀氀愀挀欀猀戀甀爀最Ⰰ 嘀䄀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 琀漀 愀氀氀 昀爀漀洀 䄀渀最栀愀爀愀搀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 琀眀漀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀攀爀猀椀猀琀攀搀 氀漀渀最 攀渀漀甀最栀ഊthat it seemed a couple of observations might be worth putting in. ਀ഊA couple of my acquaintance with a five year old son attended Atlantian Tenth ਀夀攀愀爀Ⰰ 愀 昀漀甀爀 搀愀礀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  吀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 甀猀甀愀氀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 漀昀 渀漀琀 眀愀渀琀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 ഊtied to their son every moment of that time, with an additional awareness that ਀愀渀礀栀漀眀Ⰰ 栀攀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 琀椀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 琀椀洀攀 攀椀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊhe did need supervision. Since Tenth Year was longer than most events, the ਀渀漀爀洀愀氀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 眀攀爀攀 愀最最爀愀瘀愀琀攀搀⸀  吀栀攀礀 挀愀洀攀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 ഊcreative and that seemed to work well for all concerned. ਀ഊThey didn't foster out their son. They fostered IN another, much older child. ਀匀栀攀 氀椀瘀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 欀渀漀眀 栀攀爀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 欀渀漀眀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀漀渀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊkids get along, and the parents get along. The older child was hired to spend ਀愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀⸀ഊ ਀䔀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 椀琀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 栀愀猀 琀漀 戀攀 漀氀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 ഊolder child, and the child has to be available. But the children of kingdoms ਀搀漀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 漀渀攀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 漀昀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 眀栀漀 欀渀漀眀 攀愀挀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 ഊtend to become acquainted, and a young teenager can enjoy the responsibility, ਀琀栀攀 瀀愀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀⸀  圀栀攀渀 椀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 搀漀渀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 漀昀昀攀爀 愀氀氀ഊthe best features of positive sum games: everyone in sight wins. ਀ഊNothing like a complete solution, but worth looking at.... Many of the solutions suggested are like that: small and personal, and they only work in some cases, but if you can collect enough of them, you may start getting some reasonable coverage. I tend to have more faith in the simple and personal solutions than in the large scale organizational ones, both because they feel far more authentic and because I think they're more likely to work. ਀ഊIn the same spirit, I tend to shy away from the idea of organizing something like Peasant's Point to feed those who could use it, for several reasons. First, hospitality was one of the prime virtues of the age we are trying to recreate. If there is an official Peasant's Point, there will tend to be an associated tacit assumption that that is the place to go if you're hungry and broke. This silently but, I fear, effectively undermines the tendency for each group to offer many small charities: the automatic offers of something to drink and perhaps to snack on for visitors, or for passing heralds, and the like. Second, it is a great deal easier for thousands of people to (voluntarily, individually) divide the financial burden through individual hospitality than it is to raise the money to do it all in one place. Third, individual hospitality requires no separate staffing or labor, as an official Peasant's Point would. ਀ഊThere are groups that effectively run Peasant's Points throughout the site, ਀昀攀攀搀椀渀最 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 挀漀洀攀猀 戀礀⸀  䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀琀攀 琀漀 猀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 最漀 愀眀愀礀㬀 椀渀搀攀攀搀Ⰰ 漀渀攀ഊof my great regrets this War was that because of chaos in the months leading ਀甀瀀Ⰰ 洀礀 氀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 搀漀 猀漀 漀甀爀猀攀氀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀甀猀琀 琀漀 愀 昀愀爀 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 攀砀琀攀渀琀ഊreceive, this year, than give. Being gracious and hospitable is not only ਀愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀 愀渀搀 瘀椀爀琀甀漀甀猀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 昀甀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 礀漀甀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最ഊgood. ਀ഊSurely we want no one to go through War -- or, I hope, any event -- hungry ਀愀渀搀 琀栀椀爀猀琀礀 愀渀搀 甀渀挀漀洀昀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀⸀  䤀猀 椀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀 瀀爀攀瘀攀渀琀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀ഊanyone's point of view, by raising money and a staff and doing something ਀漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀㼀  䐀漀 眀攀 渀攀攀搀 椀琀㼀  吀栀漀猀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 愀琀 圀愀爀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊhave used hospitality: did you find it in short supply? Would you have headed ਀昀漀爀 愀渀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 倀攀愀猀愀渀琀✀猀 倀漀椀渀琀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀攀攀渀 漀渀攀㼀  ⠀吀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 爀栀攀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀ഊquestions; I am interested to know whether this is a problem in need of a ਀猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 攀砀琀攀渀琀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀氀氀礀 猀漀氀瘀攀搀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䄀渀最栀愀爀愀搀 瘀攀爀✀ 刀栀甀愀眀渀            吀攀爀爀礀 一甀琀琀攀爀ഊBarony of Black Diamond Blacksburg, VA ਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀             樀琀渀 愀琀 瘀琀漀瀀甀猀⸀挀猀⸀瘀琀⸀攀搀甀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: haslock at rust.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀ 匀攀瀀 㤀㄀ ㄀㘀㨀㌀㠀㨀㄀　 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: DECwest, Digital Equipment Corp., Bellevue WA ਀ഊz1dan at exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson -- Seed Testing Labortory): ਀ഊ> In short, parents, if you do not observe your children at all ਀㸀 琀椀洀攀猀 椀琀 椀猀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 挀漀渀挀氀甀搀攀 琀栀愀琀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 眀椀氀氀 栀攀氀瀀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀洀ഊ> out of trouble. Please respect their methods of parenting, and do not ਀㸀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀渀礀 氀攀猀猀 愀 最攀渀琀氀攀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 愀渀搀 礀漀甀爀猀 搀椀昀昀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀最爀攀攀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀爀 挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀 漀昀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀椀渀最 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊparent be in constant attendance on the child. ਀ഊ> My main contention with ਀㸀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 渀漀椀猀攀 氀攀瘀攀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 爀攀焀甀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀ഊ> keep it down a bit usually suffices. ਀ഊAs I suggested, treating children as reasonable people works at least as ਀漀昀琀攀渀 愀猀 愀猀欀椀渀最 愀搀甀氀琀猀 琀漀 戀攀 焀甀椀攀琀攀爀 漀爀 戀攀 攀氀猀攀眀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀       䤀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 椀搀攀愀㨀 栀漀眀 洀愀渀礀 漀渀 栀攀爀攀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 氀椀猀琀攀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀愀爀搀猀㼀ഊ> How many children like to listen to the bards? Would it not make sense ਀㸀 琀漀 挀漀洀瀀椀氀攀 愀 戀漀漀欀 漀爀 琀眀漀 漀昀 戀愀爀搀椀挀 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 昀愀椀爀礀 琀愀氀攀猀 漀昀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ> let a few aspiring bards practice their craft to the enjoyment of the ਀㸀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀㼀  吀栀攀 戀愀爀搀 眀椀氀氀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀氀礀 戀攀 攀洀瀀漀眀攀爀攀搀 琀漀 猀攀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊ> children packing if they disrupt the story for others, but it would ਀㸀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀 眀攀氀挀漀洀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 搀椀猀琀爀愀挀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 爀攀氀甀挀琀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀椀猀 猀琀攀洀猀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊalmost as interested in hearing the tales as the children. Things like ਀㄀　　㄀ 䄀爀愀戀椀愀渀 渀椀最栀琀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 䄀爀琀栀甀爀 倀攀渀搀爀愀最漀渀Ⰰ 刀漀戀椀渀 䠀漀漀搀 漀爀ഊFinn MacCool (Fionn MacCumhail) should have almost universal appeal. The ਀搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀礀 氀椀攀猀 椀渀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 愀 戀愀爀搀 眀栀漀 椀猀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 猀瀀攀渀搀 栀椀猀 搀愀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊhis voice, in the manner; and in the autocrat finding a place for this ਀愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀                       䔀爀椀欀 䄀愀爀猀欀漀最Ⰰ 䄀砀攀搀 刀漀漀琀Ⰰ 䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀ഊ Fiacha ਀        䄀焀甀愀琀攀爀爀愀Ⰰ 䄀渀吀椀爀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: DICKSNR at qucdn.queensu.ca ("Ross M. Dickson") ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀ 匀攀瀀 㤀㄀ ㄀㜀㨀㌀㠀㨀　　 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀 昀爀漀洀 匀愀爀爀愀 䜀爀愀攀栀愀洀Ⰰ 挀漀甀爀琀攀猀礀 漀昀 䰀漀爀搀 䄀渀最甀猀㨀ഊ ਀匀椀猀琀攀爀 䬀愀琀攀Ⰰ 猀瀀攀挀甀氀愀琀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 栀漀眀 戀攀猀琀 琀漀 搀漀 挀栀椀氀搀挀愀爀攀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> Since this is ਀㸀 琀漀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀✀猀 戀攀渀攀昀椀琀Ⰰ 猀栀愀氀氀 眀攀 挀栀愀爀最攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 昀攀攀 愀琀 吀爀漀氀氀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 椀琀ഊ> toward child care, paying professionals to see to the smaller children? ਀ഊPlease don't make this suggestion too seriously. Modern professionals ਀眀椀氀氀 挀愀爀攀 昀漀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀渀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 眀愀礀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀椀渀最ഊlocked away from the rest of the event and given modern play to do. ਀⠀䌀漀氀漀甀爀椀渀最 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 氀椀欀攀 椀猀 挀氀攀愀爀氀礀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 瀀氀愀礀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀ഊif it has medieval trappings.) I would imagine you would have to find ਀猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 ⨀愀眀昀甀氀氀礀⨀ 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 眀栀漀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 氀攀愀爀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ഊand the middle ages enough to incorporate child care into the event. ਀ഊ> Asking for volunteers to run a nursery doesn't seem to work very well, as ਀㸀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀 漀甀琀⸀ 匀栀愀氀氀 眀攀 琀栀攀渀 搀爀愀眀 猀琀爀愀眀猀 愀洀漀渀最 琀栀攀 氀漀挀愀氀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀ഊ> to see who's going to organize the child care this time? Suggestions? ਀ഊIn fact, at most of the Midrealm events I have been to which advertised ਀挀栀椀氀搀挀愀爀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 眀攀爀攀 猀栀甀琀 愀眀愀礀 椀渀 愀 爀漀漀洀 眀椀琀栀 漀渀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀 昀攀洀愀氀攀ഊcaregivers, and they coloured, strung beads, and played with Fisher Price ਀琀漀礀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 搀椀渀渀攀爀琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀琀甀爀渀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀⸀  ⠀匀漀甀渀搀ഊfamiliar?) I find this fundamentally bothersome. ਀ഊWhat we do at our events is find ways for children to be useful during ਀琀栀攀 搀愀礀⸀  䔀瘀攀渀 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 漀昀 昀漀甀爀 漀爀 昀椀瘀攀 挀愀渀 栀攀氀瀀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 猀琀愀昀昀 挀愀爀爀礀ഊthings from the kitchen to the hall. (Mind you, the kitchen has to be ਀爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀礀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 栀攀氀瀀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀ⴀഊly this has never been a problem.) Older children of six or seven are ਀瀀甀琀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 洀椀渀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀猀 ⠀眀攀 猀愀瘀攀搀 愀 琀漀搀搀氀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 愀 戀甀猀礀 猀琀爀攀攀琀ഊthis way). The older children who feel up to it make excellent servers. ਀䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 ⨀氀漀瘀攀⨀ 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀椀渀最猀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 昀攀攀氀 栀漀渀攀猀琀氀礀 甀猀攀昀甀氀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀ഊmakes them feel grownup. Our canton's only child comes up to us at our ਀攀瘀攀渀琀猀 渀漀眀 愀渀搀 戀攀最猀 甀猀 昀漀爀 眀漀爀欀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 挀愀渀 搀漀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 漀渀攀 氀愀搀礀 椀渀 漀甀爀 最爀漀甀瀀 搀漀攀猀 椀猀 琀漀 瀀氀愀渀 琀栀椀渀最猀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊcan do when they are liable to be running around the hall and their par- ਀攀渀琀猀 戀甀猀礀⸀  䔀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 愀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 昀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊdead spot after the tourney is over and the fighters are showering, during ਀䌀漀甀爀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 漀渀⸀  匀栀攀 栀愀猀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀洀 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 琀愀甀最栀琀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 搀漀 漀爀椀最愀洀椀ഊ(after a half hour, the children had all drifted away, but the adults were ਀猀琀椀氀氀 愀琀 椀琀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀 氀愀琀攀爀  㨀ⴀ⤀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀渀 琀栀攀洀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 琀栀攀 栀愀氀氀 琀漀 瀀氀愀礀 琀愀最ഊ(especially good right after dinner), had them beat on a pinata (does ਀愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 挀甀猀琀漀洀 椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 瘀攀爀礀 戀攀猀琀 最愀洀攀猀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀ഊwhere both children and adults can play on a more or less equal footing. ਀ഊThe modern solution to how to deal with children is to lock them away ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 愀渀搀 琀攀愀挀栀 琀栀攀洀 栀漀眀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀 愀搀甀氀琀 甀渀琀椀氀 愀琀 愀最攀 ㄀㠀 琀栀攀礀ഊburst forth from Zeus's head fully grown and ready to tackle the world. ਀⠀吀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 愀猀 愀 昀愀渀琀愀猀礀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀 漀渀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀㬀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊmodern society we have invented adolescence to explain the artificial ਀猀琀愀最攀 眀栀攀爀攀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 愀爀攀 最椀瘀攀渀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀㬀 椀琀✀猀 渀漀 眀漀渀搀攀爀ഊthe adjustments often last until 30 or 35.) The medieval solution of how ਀琀漀 搀攀愀氀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀猀 琀漀 椀渀琀攀最爀愀琀攀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 愀猀 猀漀漀渀 愀猀ഊthey are physically able, and teach them by having them watch and do. ਀㈀　琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 攀搀甀挀愀琀漀爀猀 愀爀攀 猀氀漀眀氀礀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 眀愀礀 琀漀ഊlearn; surely we in the SCA can seize on this excellent solution as one of ਀琀栀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 瀀愀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀猀 眀攀 眀椀猀栀 琀漀 爀攀挀爀攀愀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀     匀愀爀爀愀 䜀爀愀攀栀愀洀Ⰰ 䌀愀渀琀漀渀 漀昀 䜀爀攀礀昀攀氀氀猀    簀  䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 䘀爀愀猀攀爀ഊ Barony of the Skraeling Althing | Kingston, Ontario, CANADA ਀     倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 䔀愀氀搀漀爀洀攀爀攀Ⰰ 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀  簀  挀⼀漀 搀椀挀欀猀渀爀 愀琀 焀甀挀搀渀⸀焀甀攀攀渀猀甀⸀挀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: joshua at yoko.rutgers.edu (Josh Mittleman) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀ 匀攀瀀 㤀㄀ ㄀㤀㨀㔀㄀㨀㄀㈀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. ਀ഊGreetings from Arval (even more than normally long-winded today for some ਀爀攀愀猀漀渀⸀⸀⸀ 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 琀漀漀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 猀氀攀攀瀀⤀⸀  匀愀爀爀愀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 愀琀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀漀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀搀瘀攀爀琀椀猀攀搀ഊ> childcare, the children were shut away in a room with one or two female ਀㸀 挀愀爀攀最椀瘀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀氀漀甀爀攀搀Ⰰ 猀琀爀甀渀最 戀攀愀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 䘀椀猀栀攀爀 倀爀椀挀攀ഊ> toys until dinnertime, when they were returned to their parents. (Sound ਀㸀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀㼀⤀  䤀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 昀甀渀搀愀洀攀渀琀愀氀氀礀 戀漀琀栀攀爀猀漀洀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀Ⰰ 匀愀爀爀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀渀搀Ⰰ 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 栀漀眀 漀甀爀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ഊforebearers dealt with the same problem. I may be victim to a common ਀洀椀猀挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀礀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀椀漀渀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 椀渀昀愀渀琀猀 ☀ 猀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊ*were* segregated and supervised by a professional caregiver (to use 20th C ਀琀攀爀洀猀⤀Ⰰ 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀礀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 戀攀 甀猀攀昀甀氀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀⸀ഊCertainly, their notion of old enough to participate was different from ਀漀甀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 愀最爀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 戀攀猀琀 琀漀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀渀 爀攀愀氀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 愀琀ഊan earlier age. I've often observed that teenagers who have grown up with ਀琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀爀攀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 愀搀甀氀琀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 瀀攀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 愀琀琀爀椀戀甀琀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊto two things: being included in activities with adults, and therefore ਀氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀攀攀椀渀最 愀搀甀氀琀猀 戀攀椀渀最 猀椀氀氀礀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 琀攀愀挀栀攀猀 琀栀攀洀ഊhow to integrate and separate play and serious work. ਀ഊWe really have two separate questions here: How can/should the SCA deal ਀眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀挀愀爀攀 昀漀爀 椀渀昀愀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀㼀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀ഊanswer for this is to leave it to the parents. If a group wishes to ਀挀漀漀瀀攀爀愀琀攀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 挀愀爀攀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 挀栀漀椀挀攀⸀  䤀昀 猀漀洀攀ഊenterprising individual wants to set up a babysitting contact service, ਀琀栀愀琀✀猀 栀攀爀 挀栀漀椀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀䠀漀眀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀琀攀最爀愀琀攀 漀氀搀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀渀琀漀 渀漀爀洀愀氀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀㼀  䤀ഊthink we should encourage our senior members to start thinking of ਀愀瀀瀀爀攀渀琀椀挀攀猀栀椀瀀Ⰰ 猀焀甀椀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀最愀爀搀⸀  䤀✀瘀攀 洀攀琀 洀愀渀礀 礀漀甀渀最猀琀攀爀猀ഊwho I would be quite pleased to apprentice, if I knew that I could count on ਀琀栀攀椀爀 栀攀氀瀀 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 栀漀甀爀猀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀  䄀 琀攀渀ⴀ礀攀愀爀ⴀ漀氀搀 挀愀渀 挀愀爀爀礀 愀渀搀 瀀漀氀椀猀栀ഊarmor, or deliver messages, or wait table, or any of the other things that ਀眀攀 搀漀 䄀一䐀 䔀一䨀伀夀⸀  吀栀攀礀✀氀氀 攀渀樀漀礀 椀琀Ⰰ 琀漀漀Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 椀猀 猀挀愀氀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀ഊand needs. A semi-official body might help with this, by matching up needs ਀愀渀搀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀猀Ⰰ 戀礀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀椀渀最 戀愀猀椀挀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 漀渀攀 漀爀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 昀椀攀氀搀 漀昀ഊSCA endeavour, etc. The Pennsic Pages' School, when it worked best, did ਀琀栀椀猀⸀ഊ ਀        䄀爀瘀愀氀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ag1v+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㔀 匀攀瀀 㤀㄀ ㄀㐀㨀㈀㔀㨀㐀㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA ਀ഊMikjal Annarbjorn writes: ਀ ഊ=In article <9109031341.aa24228 at mc.lcs.mit.edu>, Sarra Graeham writes: ਀㴀㸀          䔀瘀攀渀 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 漀昀 昀漀甀爀 漀爀 昀椀瘀攀 挀愀渀 栀攀氀瀀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 猀琀愀昀昀 挀愀爀爀礀ഊ=>things from the kitchen to the hall. (Mind you, the kitchen has to be ਀㴀㸀爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀礀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 栀攀氀瀀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀ⴀഊ=>ly this has never been a problem.) ਀㴀 ഊ=Not to disagree totally, but the universal reaction from the head ਀㴀挀漀漀欀猀 ⠀䤀 栀愀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 最愀眀搀ⴀ愀眀昀甀氀Ⰰ 洀愀搀攀ⴀ甀瀀 眀漀爀搀 ⨀昀攀愀猀琀ⴀ漀ⴀ挀爀愀琀⨀℀℀℀ 㠀ⴀ⤀ 昀爀漀洀ഊ=both baronies here to this suggestion would be: ਀ ഊ= WHAT?!?! ARGH!!! NO WAY!!! ਀ഊChildren down to the age of four have been used as servers in the ਀䈀䴀䐀䰀⸀  䘀椀爀猀琀氀礀Ⰰ 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀攀爀瘀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀ⴀഊfore you don't have the problem of having children underfoot in what I ਀愀氀猀漀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 愀 搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀 瀀氀愀挀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀⸀  䄀氀氀 琀栀攀 昀漀漀搀 椀猀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀ഊout of the kitchen and set up on server pick-up tables. There is a head ਀猀攀爀瘀攀爀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 椀猀 琀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀ഊstuff to the tables. ਀ഊIt takes an organized and patient head server to use their help, but ਀椀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 搀漀渀攀⸀  䤀琀 眀漀渀✀琀 搀攀氀愀礀 琀栀攀 昀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 漀昀琀攀渀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 椀渀ⴀഊstructions as well as, if not better than adults. ਀ഊSu segura servidora, ਀        䔀猀洀攀爀愀氀搀愀 氀愀 匀愀戀椀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: lcline at agora.uucp (Larry Cline) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㘀 匀攀瀀 㤀㄀ 　㜀㨀㐀㜀㨀㈀㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Open Communications Forum ਀ഊIn article <1728 at rust.zso.dec.com> haslock at rust.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock) writes: ਀㸀䘀爀漀洀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㄀㤀㤀㄀䄀甀最㌀㄀⸀㄀㤀㔀㄀㔀㔀⸀㄀㠀㈀㐀㐀 愀琀 渀攀眀猀⸀椀愀猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀㸀Ⰰ 戀礀 稀㄀搀愀渀 愀琀 攀砀渀攀琀⸀椀愀猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀渀 匀漀爀攀渀猀漀渀 ⴀⴀ 匀攀攀搀 吀攀猀琀椀渀最 䰀愀戀漀爀琀漀爀礀⤀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀      䤀渀 猀栀漀爀琀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 搀漀 渀漀琀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀攀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 愀氀氀ഊ>> times it is reasonable to conclude that others will help to keep them ਀㸀㸀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀⸀  倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 漀昀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀漀 渀漀琀ഊ>> think they are any less a gentle because their methods and yours differ. ਀㸀ഊ>I agree, provided that your concept of parenting does not require that the ਀㸀瀀愀爀攀渀琀 戀攀 椀渀 挀漀渀猀琀愀渀琀 愀琀琀攀渀搀愀渀挀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀椀挀愀氀氀礀 琀愀欀攀 琀眀漀 戀漀礀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀㬀 漀渀攀 椀猀 㠀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀猀ഊnow 14. At An Tir's May Crown they decided to start boffering and of course ਀愀琀琀爀愀挀琀攀搀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 挀爀漀眀搀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 眀栀漀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 樀漀椀渀 椀渀⸀  䘀漀爀 洀礀猀攀氀昀ⰀഊI wanted to watch some of the fighting so I left the elder in charge with ਀猀漀洀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 挀椀爀挀甀洀猀琀愀渀挀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀 䤀 爀攀琀甀爀渀攀搀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 渀攀椀最栀戀漀爀猀 栀愀搀 挀漀洀攀 漀瘀攀爀 愀渀搀 眀攀爀攀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀ഊand chivalry. I feel I have no problems letting my children on their own ਀愀猀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 愀猀 愀爀攀 洀礀 渀攀椀最栀戀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀㸀㸀 䴀礀 洀愀椀渀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀ഊ>> children is their noise level, but a simple request for them to please ਀㸀㸀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 搀漀眀渀 愀 戀椀琀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 猀甀昀昀椀挀攀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䄀猀 䤀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀Ⰰ 琀爀攀愀琀椀渀最 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀猀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀漀爀欀猀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 愀猀ഊ>often as asking adults to be quieter or be elsewhere. ਀ഊLast week I took the 14 year old to An Tir's September Crown. He kept ਀栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 戀甀猀礀 戀礀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀椀渀最 昀漀爀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 琀栀椀渀最猀 ⠀栀攀✀猀 戀攀攀渀 搀漀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 愀氀氀ഊyear) and ended up as Royal Page. It kept him out of our hair the whole ਀眀攀攀欀攀渀搀⸀  吀栀攀 栀椀最栀氀椀最栀琀 漀昀 愀氀氀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀琀 挀氀漀猀椀渀最 挀漀甀爀琀Ⰰ 栀攀 眀愀猀ഊgiven an AoA. Not bad for an enthusiastic 14 year old. ਀ഊ>> Interesting idea: how many on here like to listen to the bards? ਀㸀㸀 䠀漀眀 洀愀渀礀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 氀椀猀琀攀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀愀爀搀猀㼀  圀漀甀氀搀 椀琀 渀漀琀 洀愀欀攀 猀攀渀猀攀ഊ>> to compile a book or two of bardic stories, fairy tales of you will, and ਀㸀㸀 氀攀琀 愀 昀攀眀 愀猀瀀椀爀椀渀最 戀愀爀搀猀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀爀愀昀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀渀樀漀礀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ>> children at the event? The bard will naturally be empowered to send the ਀㸀㸀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 瀀愀挀欀椀渀最 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀猀爀甀瀀琀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀 昀漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊ>> provide a welcome, and period, distraction for the kids. ਀㸀ഊ>My reluctance to suggest this stems from my feeling that adults would be ਀㸀愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 栀攀愀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 琀愀氀攀猀 愀猀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀ 吀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀ഊ>1001 Arabian nights and the adventures of Arthur Pendragon, Robin Hood or ਀㸀䘀椀渀渀 䴀愀挀䌀漀漀氀 ⠀䘀椀漀渀渀 䴀愀挀䌀甀洀栀愀椀氀⤀ 猀栀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 甀渀椀瘀攀爀猀愀氀 愀瀀瀀攀愀氀⸀ 吀栀攀 ഊ>difficulty lies in finding a bard who is willing to spend his day, and ਀㸀栀椀猀 瘀漀椀挀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀愀渀渀攀爀㬀 愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 愀 瀀氀愀挀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀ഊ>activity to take place. ਀ഊOne event I went to this year had a gentle dressed up in a bear suit and ਀琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 戀攀愀爀 眀爀攀猀琀氀椀渀最⸀  䄀琀 䄀渀 吀椀爀ⴀ圀攀猀琀 眀愀爀 ⠀漀爀 圀攀猀琀ⴀ䄀渀 吀椀爀 眀愀爀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊwinner of the childrens boffer tourney was made a member of the West Queen's ਀最甀愀爀搀 ⠀洀愀礀戀攀 䌀愀瀀琀愀椀渀㼀 ⴀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀⤀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀 焀甀椀琀攀ഊa few people in various areas who enjoy setting up thing for children. ਀䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀 琀漀 猀攀攀欀 漀甀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀猀 眀栀攀渀ഊsetting up an event. ਀ഊAs far as barding for children, it would have to be understood (by the bard ਀愀渀搀 愀渀礀 愀搀甀氀琀猀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 昀漀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀甀猀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀礀ഊexpect for themselves. ਀ഊ>> Erik Aarskog, Axed Root, Calontir ਀㸀ഊ> Fiacha ਀㸀       䄀焀甀愀琀攀爀爀愀Ⰰ 䄀渀吀椀爀ഊ ਀䜀愀爀爀椀挀欀 䴀愀礀栀攀眀ഊ-- ਀䰀愀爀爀礀 䌀氀椀渀攀ഊlcline at agora.rain.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 瀀愀爀猀漀渀猀 愀琀 戀⸀攀攀⸀攀渀最爀⸀甀欀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䜀爀攀最 倀愀爀猀漀渀猀⤀ഊDate: 5 Sep 91 19:01:42 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䬀攀渀琀甀挀欀礀Ⰰ 䰀攀砀椀渀最琀漀渀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 䜀攀渀琀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀Ⰰഊ ਀伀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 漀昀 挀栀椀氀搀 挀愀爀攀 愀琀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 眀攀氀氀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 欀椀搀猀 ⨀最爀椀渀⨀Ⰰഊand I don't want to put mine in a nursery-type environment. I have noticed ਀琀栀愀琀 椀昀 猀漀洀攀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 挀愀爀攀 椀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 愀氀氀ഊthe children will be there. During the too brief period I attented SCA ਀攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 䤀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 开甀渀搀攀爀攀砀瀀漀猀攀搀开 洀礀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 椀渀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀椀猀ഊway. ਀ഊI have lately come to realize that one of the things that attracted My Lord ਀愀渀搀 䤀 琀漀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 瀀氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀ഊ_with_ the children, and we never managed to do that. We are inclined to be ਀最爀攀愀琀氀礀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 洀愀礀 最攀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀 最攀渀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊwhen it was suggested that the smalls would be better off in a separate area ਀漀爀 眀椀琀栀 愀 昀攀愀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 攀琀挀⸀ 眀攀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀 漀甀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 愀氀猀漀⸀  唀瀀漀渀 ഊreflection, I am sorry we did. We are always looking for ways to spend more ਀琀椀洀攀 眀椀琀栀 漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀  䤀渀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 猀瀀攀渀搀 攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀 琀椀洀攀ഊaway from us - in school or nursery school, or babysitting etc. I enjoy ਀栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 漀昀 洀礀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀猀 愀渀搀 眀愀渀琀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 琀愀最 愀氀漀渀最 愀昀琀攀爀 洀攀 㨀⤀⸀ഊTo compete with TV/Nintendo/this-here desk demon etc., we need even more time. ਀䄀渀搀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀猀 昀甀氀氀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀爀椀洀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀 愀搀甀氀琀猀ഊenjoy in common! As it turns out, the activities I enjoy the most are also ਀琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 洀礀 琀栀爀攀攀 ⠀㄀　Ⰰ 㘀Ⰰ ☀ ㄀　 洀漀渀琀栀猀⤀ 攀渀樀漀礀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀⸀  ⠀䄀洀 䤀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀ഊwho never grew up? :) and further, I don't think the nursery environment ਀栀攀氀瀀攀搀 洀甀挀栀 愀琀 愀氀氀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 栀愀爀搀 琀漀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀椀渀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀漀 搀漀Ⰰ 愀猀ഊhas been stated previously, and we found ourselves spending a lot of time ਀爀甀渀渀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 渀甀爀猀攀爀礀⼀挀栀椀氀搀✀猀 琀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 眀愀猀 最漀椀渀最 漀欀ഊanyway. Further, most of these arrangements carry an obligation for the ਀瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 琀漀 猀甀瀀攀爀瘀椀猀攀 琀栀攀 攀渀琀椀爀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 愀琀 猀漀洀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 洀甀挀栀ഊmore difficult to work into the event schedule than including the children at ਀愀氀氀⸀  一漀琀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 栀愀搀 愀渀礀 漀戀樀攀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 最椀瘀椀渀最 愀渀 栀漀甀爀 漀爀 琀眀漀 琀漀 眀愀琀挀栀 琀栀攀ഊkids as others were watching ours...but...we are invariably late to an event ਀⠀栀愀瘀椀渀最 猀瀀攀渀琀 琀栀攀 渀椀最栀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 甀瀀 眀愀礀 琀漀漀 氀愀琀攀 搀漀椀渀最 氀愀猀琀 洀椀渀甀琀攀 猀琀甀昀昀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀ഊwhatever we are supposed to be organizing/obligated to help with etc. (I was ਀愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀椀渀最 琀漀 搀椀爀攀挀琀 愀 瀀氀愀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀 䤀 愀洀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀⤀ 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀ഊlast minute problems, get started late, last longer than it is supposed to, ਀攀琀挀 攀琀挀⸀ ⠀䴀礀 䰀漀爀搀 攀渀搀攀搀 甀瀀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀椀渀最 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 愀猀 猀琀愀渀搀ⴀ椀渀 愀挀琀漀爀 昀漀爀 愀渀 愀挀琀漀爀ഊwe thought wasn't going to make it, when he was supposed to be watching the ਀渀甀爀猀攀爀礀⤀⸀⸀⸀戀礀 琀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀 昀攀愀猀琀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 渀甀爀猀攀爀礀 挀氀漀猀攀猀 攀琀挀⸀  䘀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊnext play we were preparing (never performed actually) we simply cast the older ਀琀眀漀⸀⸀⸀琀栀攀礀 氀漀瘀攀搀 椀琀 愀渀搀 搀椀搀 眀攀氀氀 愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀猀 㨀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 戀愀戀礀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰഊwould be a problem, but I would much rather hire a separate babysitter either ਀愀琀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀 漀爀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 氀攀愀瘀攀 栀椀洀 眀椀琀栀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 椀昀 䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀ഊable to carry him around, than to leave him in a SCA nursery-type place. I ਀挀漀甀氀搀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 栀椀爀攀 愀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀⼀匀䌀䄀ⴀ昀漀氀欀 琀漀 眀愀琀挀栀 栀椀洀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀礀 昀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀ഊand carry him with me the rest of the time (I can do almost anything with ਀愀 戀愀戀礀 漀渀 洀礀 栀椀瀀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀礀瀀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 眀栀礀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 搀椀爀攀挀琀 愀 搀爀攀猀猀ഊrehersal that way) and I think we would all have a lot more fun. :) ਀ഊAs for other activities, everyone loves the bards, jugglers, games etc. so ਀眀栀礀 挀愀渀✀琀 琀栀攀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 愀渀搀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 搀漀 琀栀攀猀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀㼀  䴀愀礀戀攀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀ഊannouncement could list activities particularly suited to children, but not ਀氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 琀漀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀  吀栀攀渀 眀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 搀漀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀⸀  䤀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 氀椀欀攀 ഊto watch the fighting, so does my son. I love stories, so does my daughter. ਀䤀 氀漀瘀攀 猀椀渀最椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀栀漀瀀瀀椀渀最 昀漀爀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 琀栀椀渀最猀 䤀 洀椀最栀琀 戀甀礀Ⰰ 猀漀 搀漀 戀漀琀栀ഊthe older ones. I get bored/tired if I have to sit still too long, so do ਀琀栀攀礀⸀  伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀 搀攀愀氀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 挀漀洀瀀氀愀椀渀椀渀最 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀 椀昀ഊI have too, but I don't have to sit through court if I don't want to, and ਀渀攀椀琀栀攀爀 搀漀 琀栀攀礀⸀  伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 愀爀攀 椀渀挀氀椀渀攀搀 琀漀 猀瀀攀愀欀 甀瀀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 欀渀漀眀ഊa story or joke, and sing if they know a song, or even interrupt people if ਀琀栀攀礀 最攀琀 攀砀挀椀琀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀漀 搀漀 䤀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀愀氀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 䤀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀ഊis that they are more inclined to make mistakes about period things (not much ਀洀漀爀攀 ⴀ 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀礀 最漀漀搀 愀琀 椀琀⤀ 愀渀搀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 眀栀礀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀渀✀琀 戀攀 琀愀欀攀渀ഊin the same light as any newbie. ਀ഊI also enjoy more active running-type ਀最愀洀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀甀氀搀 甀猀攀 愀 戀爀攀愀欀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 最攀琀 琀漀漀 昀椀搀最攀琀礀⸀  䤀琀ഊwould be fun to have a few games of this nature that both adults and smalls ਀挀愀渀 瀀氀愀礀 ⠀漀爀 愀洀 䤀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 眀栀漀 渀攀瘀攀爀 漀甀琀最爀攀眀 琀愀最 愀渀搀 栀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 最漀 猀攀攀欀 㨀⤀⤀ഊBlind Man's Bluff is very period, and so is "Balloon" tho different than the ਀洀漀搀攀爀渀 漀渀攀猀 㨀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀愀氀氀 最愀洀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀搀 愀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀猀琀攀搀 愀 昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最ഊsounding game where a couple was tied together in "hell" and had to try to ਀挀愀瀀琀甀爀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀猀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀氀愀挀攀 ⠀琀栀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 最愀瘀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 爀甀氀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊall). I think both adults and children would enjoy doing some of this - if ਀攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 椀猀渀✀琀 琀漀漀 眀漀爀渀 漀甀琀 昀爀漀洀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 猀漀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀氀礀 㨀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 挀愀爀攀 椀猀ഊtaken by the adults for the truly little ones. And kids like to dance too - ਀眀栀漀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀✀琀 氀攀愀爀渀 琀栀攀 猀琀攀瀀猀㼀  䴀椀渀攀 愀爀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 愀琀 椀琀 琀栀愀渀 䤀 愀洀 㨀⤀⸀ഊActually, just where is it that the children can't participate? They work well ਀琀漀漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀渀樀漀礀 椀琀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀⸀  圀栀椀氀攀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 眀栀椀氀攀ഊthe feast is being prepared, want to bet my 10 year old couldn't do a good ਀樀漀戀 漀昀 眀愀猀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 愀昀琀攀爀眀愀爀搀㼀  䠀攀 搀漀攀猀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀Ⰰ 愀渀礀眀愀礀⸀  㨀⤀  ഊ ਀䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 最漀漀搀 昀漀爀 洀礀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 琀漀 猀椀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀ഊthe boring stuff like court, and organizational meetings. They should learn ਀眀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 琀漀 猀瀀攀愀欀 漀甀琀 攀琀挀⸀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀 椀渀ഊschool, so I think they can manage quite well in these situations, but if they ਀洀椀猀戀攀栀愀瘀攀 椀渀 愀渀礀 眀愀礀Ⰰ 䤀 眀椀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 漀甀琀 ⴀ 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊCertainly anyone from four up can sit for reasonable periods quietly. I ਀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 挀愀爀爀礀 瀀攀渀Ⰰ 瀀愀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 琀椀渀礀 挀漀氀漀爀椀渀最 挀爀愀礀漀渀猀Ⰰ 氀椀琀琀氀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀猀攀ഊoccasions and never had much trouble. My children occasionally sat through ਀挀漀氀氀攀最攀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀Ⰰ 猀攀攀洀猀 氀椀欀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 搀漀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 洀愀渀愀最攀ഊalmost all of a sca event. And I admit, I am lucky, in that if I can't deal ਀眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀洀 愀渀礀洀漀爀攀 洀礀 氀漀爀搀 挀愀渀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 昀漀爀 愀眀栀椀氀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瘀椀挀攀 瘀攀爀猀愀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 氀攀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 ⠀琀栀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀　 礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀 搀漀攀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀漀琀ഊmore freedom in that area - he is almost an adult), but if they should ਀栀愀瀀瀀攀渀 琀漀 戀攀 愀氀漀渀攀 愀渀搀 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 最攀渀琀氀攀✀猀 眀愀礀 䤀 猀椀渀挀攀爀攀氀礀 栀漀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 最攀渀琀氀攀 眀椀氀氀ഊspeak to both them and me. I want to know if they are misbehaving, and I ਀眀愀渀琀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 椀琀 琀漀漀⸀  吀爀甀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 焀甀椀攀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀渀 渀攀椀琀栀攀爀 愀洀 䤀ഊ(obvious considering the length of my posts :)) and I expect them to be able ਀琀漀 戀攀 焀甀椀攀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 愀爀攀愀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀⸀  ⠀䤀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 氀攀愀瘀攀ഊif I have a crying baby - don't other parents? And I don't mind leaving, I ਀欀渀攀眀 䤀 眀愀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 甀瀀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 栀愀搀 欀椀搀猀 㨀⤀⤀  伀渀 琀栀攀ഊother hand, it seems to me that modern society is extremely intolerent of ਀琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀猀攀 漀昀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀 洀愀渀礀 琀栀椀渀最猀⼀瀀氀愀挀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 搀漀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀漀眀ഊthem at all. It's almost as bad as being a smoker :). I hope the SCA is not ਀洀漀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀椀猀⸀  䄀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 洀甀挀栀 渀漀椀猀椀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 礀漀甀㼀ഊI certainly have as much trouble with rude/over-extended/over-indulged adults ਀愀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀 栀愀搀 昀爀漀洀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀 爀愀洀戀氀椀渀最 愀最愀椀渀 㨀⤀ 猀漀 琀漀 猀甀洀 甀瀀㨀  䤀䴀䠀伀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀ഊfor us to concentrate on more activities that both adults and children can do ਀琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 猀洀愀氀氀猀 琀漀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀攀 ⠀漀爀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊparticipation) then to try to shut them away. Further, we should _expect_ ਀瀀愀爀攀渀琀✀猀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 挀愀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀攀渀 栀漀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊthey are the rude exception, the same as the unchivalrous lout on the fighting ਀昀椀攀氀搀 椀猀 愀 爀甀搀攀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀攀⸀  䤀 栀漀瀀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀✀猀 眀栀漀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 氀攀愀瘀攀ഊtheir children for any reason can make private arrangements if at all possible, ਀漀爀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 眀椀氀氀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 椀昀 䤀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 琀漀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 洀椀渀攀Ⰰ 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀ഊof leaving them in the "nursery-area". ਀ഊHeather ਀ⴀⴀഊparsons at b.ee.engr.uky.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀搀昀爀 愀琀 焀甀愀搀猀⸀甀挀栀椀挀愀最漀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀搀愀瘀椀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊDate: 29 Sep 91 02:56:26 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀栀椀挀愀最漀ഊ ਀∀䘀漀猀琀攀爀愀最攀Ⰰ 愀渀 椀搀攀愀 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀攀搀 椀渀 渀漀琀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 搀攀琀愀椀氀 愀猀ഊI would like to see, was deemed not practical for several reasons ਀⠀攀⸀最⸀Ⰰ 愀猀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀 眀攀 愀爀攀 昀爀漀洀 瘀攀爀礀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 琀椀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀猀Ⰰഊand what would you do about fostering a child from a different period ਀琀栀愀渀 礀漀甀爀猀㼀⤀∀ ⠀匀椀猀琀攀爀 䬀愀琀攀⤀ഊ ਀䤀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀洀漀椀爀猀 漀昀 唀猀愀洀愀栀 椀戀渀 䴀甀渀焀椀搀栀Ⰰ 挀⸀ ㄀㈀　　Ⰰ 栀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀ഊFrankish friend offered to foster his son. The cultural difference ਀戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 愀 挀椀瘀椀氀椀稀攀搀 䴀甀猀氀椀洀 愀渀搀 愀 䘀爀愀渀欀椀猀栀 戀愀爀戀愀爀椀愀渀 眀愀猀 猀甀爀攀氀礀 愀琀ഊleast as great as between the random pair of SCA personae. Of course, ਀唀猀愀洀愀栀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 琀栀攀 漀昀昀攀爀ⴀⴀ戀甀琀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀洀瀀氀椀攀猀ഊthat the idea of fostering someone from a significantly different ਀挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 愀氀椀攀渀 琀漀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 攀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀⸀ 匀漀 眀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 琀栀攀ഊproblem? ਀ഊ"Although a goodish number agreed that children's events should be ਀愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 猀琀漀爀礀琀攀氀氀椀渀最 ⠀椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀ഊchildren can participate)" (Sister Kate) ਀ഊOne problem with this is that in the SCA, as in period, storytelling ਀椀猀 氀愀爀最攀氀礀 愀渀 愀搀甀氀琀 愀爀琀 昀漀爀洀⸀ 䄀氀洀漀猀琀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 椀渀 洀礀 爀攀瀀攀爀琀漀椀爀攀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊinterest a child under about eight. I suspect that our modern ਀愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 猀琀漀爀礀琀攀氀氀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀猀 愀 爀攀猀甀氀琀 漀昀 氀愀爀最攀 猀挀愀氀攀ഊliteracy and cheap books. Grownups can read the stories themselves, ਀猀漀 漀渀氀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 栀愀瘀攀 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀 琀漀氀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ ਀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: jprod at sagepub.COM (Journals Production Department) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㤀 匀攀瀀 㤀㄀ 　　㨀㔀㜀㨀　㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Sage Publications, Inc., Newbury Park, CA ਀ഊ Finally, the answer to... ਀ഊ **WHAT TO DO ABOUT CHILDREN AT EVENTS** ਀ഊ As you have probably guessed, there is no answer (sigh). ਀ഊ I got a lot of mail on the subject, though. Suggestions/comments ਀  椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀㨀ഊ ਀  ⴀⴀ䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀氀 琀愀氀欀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 漀昀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 搀漀渀✀琀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰഊ the officers of the group should tell the parents their children are ਀    渀漀琀 眀攀氀挀漀洀攀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 椀猀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀攀渀搀攀爀 漀昀ഊ this message pointed out that this probably won't work if the parents ਀    栀愀瀀瀀攀渀 琀漀 䈀䔀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀 漀爀 栀椀最栀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀  ⴀⴀ伀氀搀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 挀愀渀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 戀攀 氀攀昀琀 琀漀 眀愀琀挀栀 礀漀甀渀最攀爀ഊ ones ਀  ⴀⴀ伀氀搀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 氀攀昀琀 琀漀 眀愀琀挀栀 礀漀甀渀最攀爀 漀渀攀猀ഊ ਀  ⴀⴀ倀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 琀漀 昀漀爀 栀攀氀瀀⼀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀ഊ with/for children ਀  ⴀⴀ搀椀琀琀漀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀 漀昀 愀 最爀漀甀瀀ഊ --ditto those running organized activities (specifically, "Children should ਀    渀漀琀 戀攀 搀甀洀瀀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 搀愀渀挀攀洀愀猀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 氀攀昀琀⸀∀⤀ഊ ਀  ⴀⴀ嘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 栀攀氀瀀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀猀 戀攀猀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 挀愀渀✀琀 戀攀 搀攀瀀攀渀搀攀搀 甀瀀漀渀ഊ ਀  ⴀⴀ䄀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀瀀瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀ഊ are offered at events, and to organize those activities ਀  ⴀⴀ伀渀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 琀栀愀琀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 栀愀搀 琀漀 欀椀氀氀 琀栀攀 漀昀昀椀挀攀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 渀漀 漀渀攀ഊ would take it. The sender pointed out that the group hadn't had any ਀    琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 洀愀礀戀攀 琀栀攀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀 栀愀搀ഊ never been necessary in the first place ਀ഊ --Fosterage, an idea which has been discussed in not as much detail as ਀    䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 猀攀攀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 搀攀攀洀攀搀 渀漀琀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀 昀漀爀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀 ⠀攀⸀最⸀Ⰰഊ as medieval personae we are from very different time periods, and what ਀    眀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 搀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 昀漀猀琀攀爀椀渀最 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 昀爀漀洀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀愀渀ഊ yours?) ਀ഊ --Children can be served separately at feasts ਀  ⴀⴀ䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀氀礀 愀琀 昀攀愀猀琀猀ഊ ਀  ⴀⴀ䤀昀 礀漀甀 氀攀愀瘀攀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 昀漀爀 愀 洀漀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 昀椀渀搀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 愀戀猀攀渀挀攀Ⰰഊ someone has disciplined him/her, you shouldn't lash out at the ਀    搀椀猀挀椀瀀氀椀渀攀爀ഊ --If someone leaves their child for a moment and he/she appears to require ਀    猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 攀砀琀爀攀洀攀氀礀 眀愀爀礀 漀昀ഊ providing it without getting the parent's consent first. ਀ഊ **The concensus, if there was one, seemed to be that parents are, first ਀  愀渀搀 氀愀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀猀 眀栀漀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀ഊ their kids. This attitude was most prevalent among parents themselves ਀  愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 挀栀椀氀搀氀攀猀猀 漀渀攀猀 眀栀漀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ ∀䤀 愀椀渀✀琀 氀漀漀欀椀渀✀ 愀昀琀攀爀 渀漀ഊ kids!" The attitude that children are dangerous in the kitchen was only ਀  猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 洀漀爀攀 瀀爀攀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 挀愀渀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀ഊ helpful in the kitchen. Most seemed to agree that children can be useful ਀  愀猀 猀攀爀瘀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀漀 琀栀愀琀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 愀搀搀 洀礀 漀眀渀 瘀漀椀挀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀甀挀栀ഊ enjoyed the serious youngsters at Meridien events hauling pitchers of ਀  眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 椀挀攀 琀攀愀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀氀礀 琀漀漀 愀渀搀 昀爀漀⸀ഊ ਀  吀栀椀猀 氀攀愀搀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀攀猀琀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀ഊ voluble: Activities for children. Although a goodish number agreed that ਀  挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀ഊ storytelling (in which children can participate), almost everyone who ਀  爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀攀搀 愀琀 愀氀氀 猀愀椀搀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 戀攀猀琀 琀漀 琀爀礀 琀漀 椀渀琀攀最爀愀琀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀渀琀漀ഊ all activities in some way, exclusive of fighting, of course. One poster ਀  猀愀椀搀 ⠀愀戀漀甀琀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 挀漀甀爀琀⤀Ⰰ ∀䄀渀礀漀渀攀 昀爀漀洀 㐀 甀瀀 挀愀渀 猀椀琀 昀漀爀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀ഊ periods quietly," which I personally think is pushing it, but I guess this ਀  搀攀瀀攀渀搀猀 漀渀 礀漀甀爀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䴀愀渀礀 瀀漀猀琀攀爀猀 洀愀搀攀 最漀漀搀ഊ cases for including children in classes, dancing, competitions, etc., ਀  瀀漀椀渀琀椀渀最 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 搀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 洀椀渀椀洀甀洀 漀昀 琀愀椀氀漀爀椀渀最⸀ 一漀 漀渀攀ഊ (NO one) was in favor of the nursery/day care style of child care. ਀ഊ Esmeralda pointed out that child care is so bound around with regulations ਀  椀渀 倀攀渀渀猀礀氀瘀愀渀椀愀 琀栀愀琀 ∀搀愀礀 挀愀爀攀∀ 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 愀猀 猀甀挀栀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 椀洀瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀ഊ (because illegal). Oh well. I still think the idea about a fence around ਀  琀栀攀 瀀氀愀礀 愀爀攀愀 椀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 愀 栀椀爀椀渀最 昀愀椀爀 眀栀攀爀攀 挀栀椀氀搀ഊ care is offered for the individual child or two seems workable (or would ਀  琀栀愀琀 昀愀氀氀 甀渀搀攀爀 倀䄀 氀愀眀 愀猀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 挀栀椀氀搀 挀愀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 最攀琀 甀猀 椀渀琀漀ഊ legal trouble?). ਀ഊ So there you have it. I personally disagree with a lot of these ideas, ਀  猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 挀愀猀攀猀 漀昀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 眀栀漀 爀攀昀甀猀攀 琀漀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊ children, but with the response I got, it looks as if Caid will be a ਀  爀愀椀渀昀漀爀攀猀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀愀渀琀猀 琀漀 猀礀猀琀攀洀愀琀椀挀愀氀氀礀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀 挀栀椀氀搀 挀愀爀攀 椀渀ഊ the SCA. The emphasis was definitely on the informal way of doing things. ਀  䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ ∀䤀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 氀攀愀瘀攀 椀昀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀爀礀椀渀最 戀愀戀礀 ⴀⴀ 搀漀渀✀琀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊ parents?" Oh, dear Heather -- would that all parents were like you! ਀ഊ Sister Kate ਀ⴀⴀ ഊ Journals Production Department, Sage Publications, Inc. ਀            ㈀㄀㄀㄀ 圀攀猀琀 䠀椀氀氀挀爀攀猀琀 䐀爀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 一攀眀戀甀爀礀 倀愀爀欀Ⰰ 䌀䄀 㤀㄀㌀㈀　ഊ voice: (805) 499-0721 fax: (805) 499-0871 ਀                    瘀椀愀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀㨀 樀瀀爀漀搀 愀琀 猀愀最攀瀀甀戀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: asparrow at cs.umr.edu (Angelia Sparrow) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀ഊDate: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 05:07:18 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䴀椀猀猀漀甀爀椀 ⴀ 刀漀氀氀愀Ⰰ 刀漀氀氀愀Ⰰ 䴀伀ഊ ਀圀栀愀琀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 猀愀椀搀℀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 搀漀渀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀椀搀 䰀椀氀氀椀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 ഊ6-week old last year. ਀ഊThe sunburn thing is very important: esp. since ਀琀栀愀琀 愀最攀 椀猀 琀漀漀 猀洀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 猀甀渀猀挀爀攀攀渀⸀  圀椀琀栀 漀氀搀攀爀 欀椀搀猀Ⰰഊuse liberally and often. Baby bonnets were a real blessing ਀愀猀 椀猀 愀 戀椀最 猀琀爀愀眀 栀愀琀 昀漀爀 䴀漀洀⸀  唀猀攀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 猀栀愀搀攀 椀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀ഊ(we imposed on Mistress Morgana for fly space for a time one ਀愀昀琀攀爀渀漀漀渀⸀⤀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀ⴀ瀀愀挀欀 椀猀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 椀渀搀椀猀瀀攀渀猀椀戀氀攀⸀  圀椀琀栀 椀琀 漀渀Ⰰ 䤀 琀爀攀欀欀攀搀ഊall over the campsite, hit late-night bardic circles and even sat ਀琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀 爀攀挀漀爀搀 氀攀渀最琀栀 挀漀甀爀琀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 最爀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 猀栀漀瀀瀀椀渀最 琀漀漀 猀椀渀挀攀 椀琀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀ഊa free hand. ਀ഊIf you're breast-feeding, stay hydrated! I didn't as well as I should have. ਀ഊThis year, I want a leash, since she's started walking. And I won't ਀戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 愀琀琀攀渀搀 愀猀 洀愀渀礀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 猀椀渀挀攀 猀栀攀 眀漀渀✀琀 猀氀攀攀瀀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀⸀ഊ ਀吀愀欀攀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀✀猀 栀愀戀椀琀✀猀 椀渀琀漀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䴀椀渀攀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀 氀漀渀最 氀愀琀攀 ഊafternoon nap, so I can play of an afternoon, but she'll stay up later, ਀猀漀 渀漀琀 愀猀 洀愀渀礀 戀愀爀搀椀挀 挀椀爀挀氀攀猀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀爀 欀椀搀 昀愀氀氀猀 愀猀氀攀攀瀀 眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀ഊput her in a front-pack, by all means wear one to the masked ball. ਀ഊCamping with little ones is not impossible, or even difficult. ਀ഊAethelynda ਀䌀愀氀愀渀愀椀猀ⴀ渀甀愀搀栀ഊCalontir ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: pavao at cae.wisc.edu (Pavao Aaron) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䌀爀甀渀挀栀礀 昀漀漀搀猀 ⠀眀愀猀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⤀ഊOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㌀ 䴀愀爀 㤀㌀ ㄀㈀㨀㄀㌀㨀㌀㤀 䌀匀吀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 䌀栀愀渀搀氀攀爀 䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 䄀瀀瀀漀氀漀最椀攀猀 昀漀爀 栀椀猀 䰀椀戀攀爀琀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀甀戀樀攀挀琀℀ഊ ਀ऀ䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 栀愀猀 挀漀洀攀 甀瀀 戀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 昀攀攀氀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊof a more sentient age, it would be best to find a baby-sitter for parents that ਀眀愀渀琀 琀漀 愀琀琀攀渀搀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 猀椀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀 愀氀氀 眀攀攀欀⸀  䤀 瀀氀愀渀 漀渀 漀昀昀攀爀椀渀最ഊmy services as a babysitter (such a misnomer!) in return for the child's ਀猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀㬀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 氀椀欀攀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀漀 挀愀爀爀礀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 渀攀愀琀 ⠀愀ഊhelmet, polearm, shield, banner, even a tent or merchant box), and nothing a ਀最爀漀眀渀ⴀ甀瀀 氀椀欀攀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀漀 开渀漀琀开 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 挀愀爀爀礀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 渀攀愀琀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀洀戀氀礀 猀甀戀洀椀琀琀攀搀Ⰰഊ-> Chandler ਀ഊSCA: Chandler (Shandler) Greyfeathre ਀䴀䬀䄀㨀 䄀愀爀漀渀 倀愀瘀愀漀ഊNET: pavao at cae.wisc.edu ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: mchance at nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Chance) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀ഊOrganization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䴀愀爀 㤀㌀ ㈀　㨀　㤀㨀㌀㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䴀礀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀Ⰰ 一愀琀愀猀栀愀Ⰰ 椀猀 愀渀 漀氀搀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 瘀攀琀攀爀愀渀Ⰰ 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀琀琀攀渀搀攀搀 栀攀爀ഊfirst Pennsic at 3 months. She'll be 6 this May, and will be going to ਀栀攀爀 㜀琀栀 挀漀渀猀攀挀甀琀椀瘀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 琀栀椀猀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 ⠀䤀 氀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 氀漀漀欀猀 䤀ഊget when people hear that!). ਀ഊIn addition to what Elizabeth and Aethelynda wrote, (and, yes, ਀氀攀愀猀栀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀 渀攀挀攀猀猀椀琀礀 漀渀挀攀 琀栀攀礀 最攀琀 戀椀瀀攀搀愀氀 洀漀戀椀氀椀琀礀⤀Ⰰ 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 眀愀礀ഊto mark your child with a easily recognizable badge that they won't ਀攀愀猀椀氀礀 琀愀欀攀 漀昀昀 ⠀䤀✀瘀攀 搀漀稀攀渀猀 漀昀 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 洀礀 搀愀爀氀椀渀最 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀ഊhappily running down the road away from camp without a stitch of ਀挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 漀渀 ⴀ 欀椀搀猀 愀爀攀 昀甀渀渀礀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 瀀氀愀渀 漀渀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀椀渀最 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀洀攀渀琀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀⸀  倀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀氀礀ഊnone of the "children's" activities at Pennsic is geared to kids under ਀愀戀漀甀琀 㜀 漀爀 㠀⸀  䄀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀礀最爀漀甀渀搀 椀猀 漀昀琀攀渀 漀瘀攀爀爀甀渀 戀礀 漀氀搀攀爀 愀渀搀 氀愀爀最攀爀ഊkids, who'll probably be a bit to rough for the really young ones. ਀ഊIt takes a lot of planning and coordination between the parents, but ਀椀琀 挀愀渀 眀漀爀欀⸀ഊ ਀䴀椀欀樀愀氀 䄀渀渀愀爀戀樀漀爀渀ഊ-- ਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䄀⸀ 䌀栀愀渀挀攀          匀琀⸀ 䰀漀甀椀猀Ⰰ 䴀椀猀猀漀甀爀椀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀    ∀䄀琀 瀀氀愀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀猀ഊWork: mc3078 at sw1sta.sbc.com of St. Vidicon" ਀倀氀愀礀㨀 愀戀㠀㤀㤀 愀琀 昀爀攀攀渀攀琀⸀栀猀挀⸀挀漀氀漀爀愀搀漀⸀攀搀甀ഊ mchance at nyx.cs.du.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀愀洀洀漀渀搀 愀琀 氀爀挀⸀攀搀甀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀匀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀ഊDate: 24 Mar 93 09:56:36 EST ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䰀攀渀漀椀爀ⴀ刀栀礀渀攀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀Ⰰ 䠀椀挀欀漀爀礀Ⰰ 一䌀ഊ ਀吀眀漀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 瀀漀椀渀琀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 瀀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀ഊ(the previous posting had all good points too) ਀ഊ1) Sun block. DON'T FORGET TO SUN BLOCK THE CHILDREN. ਀   吀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 猀甀渀戀甀爀渀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 愀渀搀 搀漀渀✀琀 氀椀欀攀 挀漀渀猀琀愀渀琀 瀀愀椀渀⸀ഊ ਀㈀⤀ 䘀漀爀 戀愀戀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 愀氀猀漀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀ഊ Pedialite (this is a brand name and I am not sure quite how it is spelled) ਀   吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀渀 攀氀攀挀琀爀漀氀礀琀攀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 椀渀昀愀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 挀愀渀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 甀猀攀昀甀氀ഊ in case of dehydration or related problems with electrolyte imbalance ਀   昀爀漀洀 栀攀愀瘀礀 猀眀攀愀琀椀渀最⸀  吀栀椀猀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 爀漀甀最栀氀礀 琀栀攀 攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 漀昀 甀渀昀氀愀瘀漀爀攀搀ഊ gatoraid. This type of product is available in most drugstores. ਀   圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 琀愀欀攀渀 琀栀椀猀 眀椀琀栀 甀猀 琀漀 瀀攀渀渀猀椀挀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 琀漀 甀猀攀 椀琀⸀ഊ I guess we still have a bottle of it around the house somewhere. ਀ഊMy daughter first attended pennsic at about 6 months of age, and has missed ਀漀渀攀 瀀攀渀渀猀椀挀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀渀⸀⠀猀栀攀 椀猀 渀漀眀 㐀 礀爀猀 漀氀搀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀 䠀愀洀洀漀渀搀ഊCanton of Baelfire Dunn ਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: tmyers at unl.edu (tim myers) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: SCA-kids ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㌀ 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㐀㨀　㐀㨀㈀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln ਀ഊDavid Schroeder writes: ਀ഊ>Oh -- on a slight tangent -- are there any cute "SCA-kids say the ਀㸀搀愀爀渀攀搀攀猀琀ⴀ琀栀椀渀最猀∀ 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 礀漀甀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀㼀  䤀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀ഊ>properly prepared when my 8 month old starts to _talk_! ਀ഊLong before he was able to talk, Arthur, son of Graf Volkmar and Countess ਀䤀猀愀搀漀爀愀Ⰰ 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀搀 栀椀猀 昀愀琀栀攀爀✀猀 匀䌀䄀 渀愀洀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀昀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀椀渀最 椀琀ഊwhen the heralds called his father to the field for a bout, whereupon he ਀眀漀甀氀搀 猀眀椀瘀攀氀 栀椀猀 栀攀愀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀搀 猀琀愀爀攀 椀渀琀攀渀琀氀礀 愀琀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 甀渀琀椀氀 栀攀 猀愀眀ഊhis father. He could recognize his father in full armor to the point of ਀戀攀椀渀最 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 甀瀀 琀漀 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 眀栀漀 栀愀搀 戀漀爀爀漀眀攀搀 嘀漀氀欀洀愀爀✀猀ഊshield and then awarding him a "You're NOT daddy!" look. ਀ഊToli the Curious ਀ⴀⴀഊTim Myers Toli the Curious ਀唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 一攀戀爀愀猀欀愀ⴀ䰀椀渀挀漀氀渀              匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 䴀愀最 䴀漀爀ഊLincoln, Nebraska Kingdom of Calontir ਀琀洀礀攀爀猀 愀琀 甀渀氀椀渀昀漀⸀甀渀氀⸀攀搀甀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 欀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 愀琀 氀搀猀⸀氀漀爀愀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䔀搀 䬀爀攀礀氀椀渀最 㘀㤀㘀㘀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Youngest Award of Arm ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䰀漀爀愀氀 䐀愀琀愀 匀礀猀琀攀洀猀ഊDate: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:01:22 GMT ਀ഊ>Kristoff wrote: ਀㸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 礀漀甀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 ⠀愀渀搀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰഊ> Johnathan the Younger, who has been active for his ENTIRE life) would ਀㸀  瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 ∀最爀攀愀琀氀礀 攀渀爀椀挀栀 漀甀爀 爀攀愀氀洀∀⸀⸀⸀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 愀 䬀椀渀最 愀渀搀 儀甀攀攀渀ഊ> (or any other parents) would feel that their child had "considerably ਀㸀  攀渀爀椀挀栀攀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 爀攀愀氀洀⸀∀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 䬀爀椀猀琀漀昀昀Ⰰഊ ਀䤀昀 䨀漀栀渀愀琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 夀漀甀渀最攀爀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 猀椀渀挀攀 ㄀㤀㜀㠀 ⠀䄀⸀匀⸀ 堀䤀䤀⤀ 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀ഊserving the SCA along the way, I would have no problems writing letters for ਀愀渀 䄀⸀伀⸀䄀⸀ 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀  䤀 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 搀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 愀 ㈀㐀ഊmonth old has done any service worthy of an A.O.A. ਀ഊI have nothing against children "earning" A.O.A.'s. My own daughter, ਀䴀愀椀爀椀 䔀爀椀欀猀搀漀琀琀椀爀 ⠀渀漀琀椀挀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀愀渀挀攀㨀帀⤀⤀ 眀愀猀 最爀愀渀琀攀搀 愀渀 䄀⸀伀⸀䄀⸀ഊwhen she was 10 years old. This was done after several letters ਀⠀渀漀渀攀 昀爀漀洀 栀攀爀 洀漀琀栀攀爀 漀爀 䤀⤀ 栀愀搀 爀攀愀挀栀攀搀 琀栀攀 䌀爀漀眀渀⸀  䤀渀 栀攀爀 琀椀洀攀 猀栀攀ഊhad served as hand-maiden to 3 Queens, worked the registration tables ਀愀琀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 眀漀爀欀攀搀 愀猀 愀 爀甀渀渀攀爀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 樀甀搀最攀猀 漀昀 漀甀爀ഊArts/Sciences Faires, worked in the kitchens of some of our kingdom ਀昀攀愀猀琀猀 愀渀搀 洀漀爀攀⸀  一漀眀 愀琀 琀栀攀 愀最攀 漀昀 ㄀㈀ 猀栀攀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 愀猀欀攀搀 琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 愀猀ഊMinister of Children for our local shire. ਀ഊI hope I am not being too proud a father in stating that I believe Mairi ਀栀愀猀 ∀攀愀爀渀攀搀∀ 栀攀爀 䄀⸀伀⸀䄀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 洀礀 挀栀椀氀搀 栀愀猀 最爀攀愀琀氀礀 攀渀爀椀挀栀攀搀 洀礀 氀椀昀攀 猀椀渀挀攀 戀椀爀琀栀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀ⰀഊI do not believe that to be the kind of enrichment for which an A.O.A. ਀猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 最椀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 栀甀最最猀 㨀帀⤀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 ∀最爀攀愀琀 愀渀搀 搀椀瘀攀爀猀攀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀∀㼀ഊ ਀䔀爀椀欀⸀ഊ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ਀䔀搀 䬀爀攀礀氀椀渀最ऀऀऀ簀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䔀爀椀欀 漀昀 吀攀氀攀洀愀爀欀 伀⸀䰀⸀Ⰰ伀⸀倀⸀ഊkreyling at world.lds.loral.com | Shire of Brineside Moor ਀匀愀爀愀猀漀琀愀Ⰰ䘀氀⸀ 唀匀䄀  ऀऀ簀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 吀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀Ⰰ 匀䌀䄀ഊ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: kreyling at lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 夀漀甀渀最攀猀琀 䄀眀愀爀搀 伀昀 䄀爀洀ഊOrganization: Loral Data Systems ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　　㨀㈀㜀㨀㔀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀欀漀栀爀渀 愀琀 猀甀洀愀砀⸀猀攀愀琀琀氀攀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 漀爀 䌀漀爀椀渀渀攀 䬀漀栀爀渀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>OK. I'm going to stick my head out and state that I believe giving ਀㸀愀 琀眀漀 礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀 愀渀 䄀漀䄀 椀猀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀氀礀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀圀攀氀氀 愀 琀眀漀ഊ>year old is entitled to a family life. Two year olds take up alot of time, ਀㸀愀渀搀 洀愀礀 瘀攀爀礀 眀攀氀氀 戀攀 猀栀漀爀琀挀栀愀渀最攀搀 戀礀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 挀愀爀攀 昀漀爀 愀 昀愀洀椀氀礀ഊ>and a kingdom. No I don't think a two year old should get a peerage for ਀㸀琀栀攀猀攀 猀愀挀爀椀昀椀挀攀猀 洀愀搀攀 漀渀 戀攀栀愀氀昀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 愀渀ഊ>AoA is at all out of line. ਀㸀ഊ> -Calote ਀㸀ऀऀ欀漀栀爀渀 愀琀 猀甀洀愀砀⸀猀攀愀琀琀氀攀甀⸀攀搀甀ഊ> (Mother of a two year old, and expecting in Dec.) ਀ഊOh, please! I am the mother of a 7 year old and an 11 year old, both of whom ਀栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀愀椀猀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀  䴀礀 ㄀㄀ 礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀 栀愀猀 愀渀 䄀伀䄀Ⰰ 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 眀栀攀渀 猀栀攀ഊwas 10. She got it for being a lady in waiting to two queens and one of our ਀洀漀爀攀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀搀 爀攀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀 琀愀戀氀攀 眀漀爀欀攀爀猀⸀ 圀栀椀氀攀 眀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 栀愀瘀攀 栀攀爀 洀愀渀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊtable alone, our Kingdom Exchequer says she messes up the system less than many ਀愀搀甀氀琀猀⸀  䴀礀 㜀 礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀 栀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 愀眀愀爀搀猀⸀  䴀礀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 愀爀攀 戀漀琀栀  ഊKingdom officers. I assure you our home life has been disrupted. I expect my children to get their awards for their activity, not ours. Our households life ਀栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 搀椀猀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 搀攀挀椀猀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 琀愀欀攀渀 椀渀琀漀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀ഊbefore offices are taken or Crown lists fought. ਀䈀攀猀椀搀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀Ⰰ 椀琀猀 渀漀琀 昀愀椀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀⸀  䠀漀眀 氀漀渀最 眀椀氀氀 栀攀 戀攀 椀渀 搀漀椀渀最 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ഊbefore he gets another award? An award that he earned and deserves, not an ਀愀挀挀椀搀攀渀琀 漀昀 戀椀爀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀栀漀 搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀 䄀⸀伀⸀䄀⸀ 椀猀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀ഊwho baby-sat the two year old throughout the reign, and enabled the parents ਀琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 愀猀 䬀椀渀最 愀渀搀 儀甀攀攀渀⸀ഊ ਀䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䈀爀椀最椀琀 伀氀攀猀搀漀琀琀椀爀Ⰰ 伀⸀䰀⸀ഊ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ਀䔀搀 䬀爀攀礀氀椀渀最ऀऀऀ簀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䔀爀椀欀 漀昀 吀攀氀攀洀愀爀欀 伀⸀䰀⸀Ⰰ伀⸀倀⸀ഊkreyling at world.lds.loral.com | Shire of Brineside Moor ਀匀愀爀愀猀漀琀愀Ⰰ䘀氀⸀ 唀匀䄀  ऀऀ簀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 吀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀Ⰰ 匀䌀䄀ഊ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀攀最漀眀椀欀 愀琀 挀洀攀⸀渀椀猀琀⸀最漀瘀 ⠀匀琀攀瘀攀渀 䰀攀最漀眀椀欀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 戀愀戀礀 猀椀琀琀椀渀最 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀 ⠀甀渀眀愀渀琀攀搀⤀ഊDate: 10 Sep 93 19:25:45 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 一愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 漀昀 匀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀猀 愀渀搀 吀攀挀栀渀漀氀漀最礀ഊ ਀  䄀琀 瀀攀渀渀猀椀挀 氀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 搀攀氀甀最攀搀 戀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 搀攀猀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀ഊwatch my daughter. Now, Amber is really cute and a credit to babies ਀攀瘀攀爀礀眀栀攀爀攀 戀甀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 䤀 栀愀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 洀攀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 樀甀猀琀 眀愀氀欀 甀瀀 愀渀搀ഊimply that I wanted them to watch her. One woman propositioned me ਀攀瘀攀爀礀琀椀洀攀 䤀 猀愀眀 栀攀爀⠀愀渀搀 䤀 猀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 愀瘀漀椀搀 栀攀爀⤀⸀  䤀 挀栀攀挀欀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 昀漀氀欀猀ഊfrom her local group and none of them even knew who she was. Freaky, ਀瘀攀爀礀 昀爀攀愀欀礀⸀ഊ ਀  一漀眀Ⰰ 洀礀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 欀渀攀眀 眀栀愀琀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 眀栀攀渀 眀攀 攀氀攀挀琀攀搀ഊto have kids, and we knew that we would have less time to ourselves. ਀匀甀戀猀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 眀攀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀甀琀 愀 琀椀洀攀 猀栀愀爀椀渀最 愀爀爀愀渀最攀洀攀渀琀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀ഊcould go dancing and I could hang out with my friends. We did not ਀昀椀渀搀 椀琀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⸀ഊ ਀  圀攀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 洀椀最栀琀 渀漀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 愀爀漀甀渀搀ഊus and our child. We also made a really valiant effort not burden our ਀昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 愀渀搀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 戀愀戀礀⸀  夀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀攀渀琀椀渀最 䌀䄀一 䈀䔀 愀 搀爀愀最Ⰰഊbut has it become the assumption of everyone out there that parents ਀搀漀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 欀椀搀猀㼀  䐀漀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀渀礀 挀愀爀椀渀最ഊparent would just hand over a child to them without references or ਀欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 戀愀挀欀最爀漀甀渀搀㼀 䐀椀搀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 栀愀瘀攀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀猀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀猀㼀ഊ ਀  䤀渀 愀 爀攀氀愀琀攀搀 洀愀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 搀椀搀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀攀愀爀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 眀栀漀 挀甀猀猀攀搀ഊout the two kids on the playground for practising their recorders ਀戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀漀爀搀攀爀 挀氀愀猀猀⸀  匀栀攀 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 戀攀爀愀琀攀搀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀爀攀愀琀攀渀攀搀ഊthem bodily harm if she ever saw them again. I may not be a morning ਀瀀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 䤀匀 攀砀琀爀攀洀攀 愀渀搀 最爀攀愀琀 眀愀礀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀漀猀攀 欀椀搀猀ഊNEVER attempt the recorder again. ਀ഊ Fursa Hand-Seinn ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: mittle at watson.ibm.com (Arval d'Espas Nord) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 戀愀戀礀 猀椀琀琀椀渀最 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀 ⠀甀渀眀愀渀琀攀搀⤀ഊDate: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 22:44:15 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䤀䈀䴀 吀⸀䨀⸀ 圀愀琀猀漀渀 刀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 昀爀漀洀 䄀爀瘀愀氀℀ഊ ਀㸀   䄀琀 瀀攀渀渀猀椀挀 氀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 搀攀氀甀最攀搀 戀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 搀攀猀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀ഊ> watch my daughter. Now, Amber is really cute and a credit to babies ਀㸀 攀瘀攀爀礀眀栀攀爀攀 戀甀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 䤀 栀愀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 洀攀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 樀甀猀琀 眀愀氀欀 甀瀀 愀渀搀ഊ> imply that I wanted them to watch her. ਀ഊWere these simply strangers off the street or were they people from your ਀挀愀洀瀀 漀爀 猀栀椀爀攀㼀  䤀昀 琀栀攀 昀漀爀洀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 椀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀搀攀攀搀 瘀攀爀礀 漀搀搀⸀  䤀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀琀攀爀Ⰰഊthen they may have been misguided, but they were clearly just trying to be ਀栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀⸀  吀栀攀 漀戀瘀椀漀甀猀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀 椀猀 ∀一漀Ⰰ 琀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰ 眀攀✀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀甀爀 漀眀渀ഊarrangements, but you are kind to ask." ਀ഊ> In a related matter, did anyone hear about the merchant who cussed out ਀㸀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 欀椀搀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀礀最爀漀甀渀搀 昀漀爀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 爀攀挀漀爀搀攀爀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊ> recorder class. She not only berated them, but threatened them bodily ਀㸀 栀愀爀洀 椀昀 猀栀攀 攀瘀攀爀 猀愀眀 琀栀攀洀 愀最愀椀渀⸀ഊ ਀䐀漀 礀漀甀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀氀氀礀 愀挀挀甀猀攀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 漀昀 愀 昀攀氀漀渀礀㼀  䐀漀ഊyou witness this event? Are you absolutely certain that it was reported to ਀礀漀甀 愀挀挀甀爀愀琀攀氀礀㼀  吀栀椀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 嘀攀爀礀 䈀愀搀 爀甀洀漀爀 琀漀 挀椀爀挀甀氀愀琀攀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀ഊunquestionable substantiation. ਀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀ഊArval d'Espas Nord mittle at watson.ibm.com ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: dani at netcom.com (Dani Zweig) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀洀攀渀琀 ⴀ 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊDate: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 04:58:16 GMT ਀ഊARCHER at utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer): ਀㸀⸀⸀⸀愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀渀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀攀挀漀渀搀 ഊ>South Carolina Regiment of Foot (see also Goose-stepping Autheticity Nazi's) ਀㸀∀䌀栀椀氀搀栀漀漀搀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 爀攀猀瀀漀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 愀渀搀 渀漀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 攀愀爀渀 ഊ>one's keep is a 20th century invention. ਀ഊThis notion was popularized by Philippe Aries, in his "Centuries of ਀䌀栀椀氀搀栀漀漀搀∀ ⠀㄀㤀㘀㈀⤀ ⴀⴀ 琀栀愀琀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀氀礀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 眀攀爀攀 琀爀攀愀琀攀搀 愀猀ഊ"small adults". That it is an oversimplification is suggested by ਀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀猀 愀渀搀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 瀀漀爀琀爀愀礀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀ഊgames, children playing with dolls, etc. According to Barbara Hanawalt ਀⠀∀䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀愀爀椀渀最 䄀洀漀渀最 琀栀攀 䰀漀眀攀爀 䌀氀愀猀猀攀猀 漀昀 䰀愀琀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀∀Ⰰ 䨀漀甀爀渀愀氀 ഊof Interdisciplinary History 8, 1972), young children played, and around ਀愀最攀 攀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 最椀瘀攀渀 猀椀最渀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀 挀栀漀爀攀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 栀漀洀攀⸀  䄀琀ഊadolescence, boys started working in the fields. ਀ഊI suspect any attempt to generalize over the entire middle ages ਀椀猀 瀀漀椀渀琀氀攀猀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 挀栀椀氀搀栀漀漀搀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ(Prolonging childhood through the late teens, however, is.) ਀ഊ----- Dani of the Seven Wells ਀搀愀渀椀 愀琀 渀攀琀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: thought experiment - children ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㜀 伀挀琀 㤀㌀ ㄀㈀㨀㌀㔀㨀㄀㈀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208 ਀ഊAethelynda (Angelia Sparrow) writes: ਀㸀 䄀猀 昀漀爀 愀 ㈀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀猀Ⰰ 䤀 戀攀最 琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 䔀氀氀椀猀椀昀⸀ഊ> My 18 month-old is capable of executing the simple command of "Take this ਀㸀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀∀  ഊ ਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 椀琀⸀  䄀琀 漀渀攀 䤀挀攀 䐀爀愀最漀渀 漀昀 ㄀　　⬀ 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 栀愀搀ഊheraldic list trees. Originally, the children were runners, to deliver ਀琀栀攀 猀栀椀攀氀搀猀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 眀漀甀氀搀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀⸀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 愀搀甀氀琀猀ഊfound it boring, the kids thought it was fun, so they got the job. ਀ഊTwo 4 yr-olds, and a 5 yr-old; went *around* the lists, stayed out of the ਀眀愀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀愀氀搀爀椀挀欀猀 嬀挀栀椀爀甀爀最攀漀渀猀Ⰰ 洀愀爀猀栀愀氀氀猀Ⰰ 栀攀爀愀氀搀猀崀Ⰰ 漀戀攀礀攀搀 愀氀氀 漀爀搀攀爀猀ഊfrom the baldrics (the marshall would indicate the winner's shield and they ਀眀攀爀攀 琀愀欀攀渀 琀漀 氀椀猀琀 琀愀戀氀攀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 昀爀漀洀 氀漀猀攀爀猀⤀Ⰰ 琀漀漀欀 琀甀爀渀猀 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 洀椀氀欀 ഊcrate to stand on, took the top two shields off each tree, moved each shield ਀漀渀 琀栀攀 氀漀眀攀爀 戀爀愀渀挀栀攀猀 甀瀀 漀渀攀 戀爀愀渀挀栀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀 猀栀椀攀氀搀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 攀洀瀀琀礀 ഊbranch, returned old shields to list table, and kept *all four* list trees ਀最漀椀渀最 ⨀眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀 洀椀猀琀愀欀攀 愀氀氀 愀昀琀攀爀渀漀漀渀⨀  䘀爀愀渀欀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 渀漀渀ⴀ瀀愀爀攀渀琀 眀愀猀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀℀ഊ ਀                                                       ⴀ 䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀ഊ ਀匀䌀䄀 倀攀爀猀漀渀愀 㨀 䰀漀爀搀 䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀 䌀漀氀氀椀渀最眀漀漀搀 漀昀 䔀洀攀爀愀氀搀 䰀愀欀攀Ⰰ 䌀匀䌀Ⰰ 䌀䬀Ⰰ 䌀吀爀ഊHabitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony ਀䐀椀猀挀氀愀椀洀攀爀  㨀 䄀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀 琀栀愀琀 渀攀攀搀猀 搀椀猀挀氀愀椀洀攀爀猀 栀愀猀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 氀愀眀礀攀爀猀⸀ഊInternet : salley at niktow.cs.canisius.edu ਀唀匀渀愀椀氀ⴀ渀攀琀  㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 倀⸀ 匀愀氀氀攀礀Ⰰ ㄀㌀㘀 匀栀攀瀀愀爀搀 匀琀爀攀攀琀Ⰰ 䈀甀昀昀愀氀漀Ⰰ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀 ㄀㐀㈀㄀㈀ⴀ㈀　㈀㤀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 戀挀昀爀攀渀挀栀 愀琀 洀漀琀栀爀愀⸀猀礀爀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䌀⸀ 䘀爀攀渀挀栀⤀ഊSubject: A not-so-new insurance idea ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀礀爀愀挀甀猀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀Ⰰ 匀礀爀愀挀甀猀攀Ⰰ 一夀ഊDate: Tue, 19 Oct 93 12:02:48 EDT ਀ഊA new trend in insurance is buying life insurance for your children. ਀䔀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀挀琀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 猀甀挀栀 愀 渀攀眀 椀搀攀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀猀ഊcame up with the idea in the 15th century: dowry insurance. The idea was ਀琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 戀漀甀最栀琀 搀漀眀爀礀 椀渀猀甀爀愀渀挀攀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀 眀栀攀渀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 㔀 漀爀 㘀 漀渀 愀 ㄀　ⴀ礀攀愀爀 洀愀琀甀爀愀琀椀漀渀 瀀漀氀椀挀礀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瀀愀椀搀 椀渀 昀甀氀氀 椀昀 猀栀攀ഊmarried at the time of policy maturity. If she died or entered a convent, ਀琀栀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 爀攀瘀攀爀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀甀爀愀渀挀攀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀✀ഊinvestment would be lost. ਀ഊAnd the insurance companies of today think they've hit onto such a new ਀椀搀攀愀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀ഊ ਀⸀⸀⸀䌀愀椀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu () ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: A not-so-new insurance idea ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㤀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㜀㨀㔀㜀㨀㔀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley ਀ഊBarbara C. French wrote: ਀㸀⸀⸀⸀吀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 眀愀猀ഊ>that you bought dowry insurance for your daughter when she was about 5 or ਀㸀㘀 漀渀 愀 ㄀　ⴀ礀攀愀爀 洀愀琀甀爀愀琀椀漀渀 瀀漀氀椀挀礀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瀀愀椀搀 椀渀 昀甀氀氀 椀昀 猀栀攀ഊ>married at the time of policy maturity. If she died or entered a convent, ਀㸀琀栀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 爀攀瘀攀爀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀甀爀愀渀挀攀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 ⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 猀甀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 ∀挀漀渀瘀攀渀琀∀ 瀀愀爀琀㼀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 猀攀渀琀 礀漀甀爀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀ഊto a convent, generally the convent got the dowry. ਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin ਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 戀挀昀爀攀渀挀栀 愀琀 洀漀琀栀爀愀⸀猀礀爀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䌀⸀ 䘀爀攀渀挀栀⤀ഊSubject: Re: A not-so-new insurance idea ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀礀爀愀挀甀猀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀Ⰰ 匀礀爀愀挀甀猀攀Ⰰ 一夀ഊDate: Thu, 21 Oct 93 00:06:52 EDT ਀ഊcozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu () writes: ਀㸀䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䌀⸀ 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 㰀戀挀昀爀攀渀挀栀 愀琀 洀漀琀栀爀愀⸀猀礀爀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀⸀⸀⸀吀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 眀愀猀ഊ>>that you bought dowry insurance for your daughter when she was about 5 or ਀㸀㸀㘀 漀渀 愀 ㄀　ⴀ礀攀愀爀 洀愀琀甀爀愀琀椀漀渀 瀀漀氀椀挀礀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瀀愀椀搀 椀渀 昀甀氀氀 椀昀 猀栀攀ഊ>>married at the time of policy maturity. If she died or entered a convent, ਀㸀㸀琀栀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 爀攀瘀攀爀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀甀爀愀渀挀攀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 ⸀⸀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 猀甀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 ∀挀漀渀瘀攀渀琀∀ 瀀愀爀琀㼀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 猀攀渀琀 礀漀甀爀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀ഊ>to a convent, generally the convent got the dowry. ਀㸀ഊ>Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin ਀ഊPretty sure . . . At least, if the convent got any, they only got part of ਀椀琀⸀ 䤀✀氀氀 搀漀甀戀氀攀 挀栀攀挀欀 琀栀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 椀渀 ∀刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 儀甀愀爀琀攀爀氀礀∀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀ഊpretty sure that at least with some of the insurance companies, the ਀挀漀渀瘀攀渀琀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 最漀琀 猀琀椀昀昀攀搀 ⠀渀漀 ∀渀甀渀渀攀爀礀∀ 瀀甀渀 椀渀琀攀渀搀攀搀⤀ 漀爀 漀渀氀礀 最漀琀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀ഊit (since many of the young women in question may have been forced into ਀挀漀渀瘀攀渀琀栀漀漀搀 搀甀攀 琀漀 甀渀洀愀爀爀椀愀最攀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀⤀⸀ഊ ਀⸀⸀⸀䌀愀椀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: diablu at dorsai.dorsai.org (Dwayne Herron) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Tips Wanted ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㤀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㠀㨀㈀㔀㨀㄀㤀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: The Dorsai Embassy ਀ഊWILLIAM J ADAMS (wja1 at engr.uark.EDU) wrote: ਀㨀 一漀眀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀✀瘀攀 ⨀琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀氀礀⨀ 攀砀栀愀甀猀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 挀甀瀀 椀猀猀甀攀⸀ ⸀ ⸀ ഊ ਀㨀 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀甀最最攀挀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 琀椀瀀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 漀渀 匀䌀䄀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最⼀攀瘀攀渀琀ഊ: going with children. Most Ministry of Children programs deal ਀㨀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 攀氀攀洀攀渀琀愀爀礀 猀挀栀漀漀氀 愀最攀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀ഊ: younger children? ਀ഊ: William the Heretic ਀ഊMake sure you have *LOTS* of baby sitters. It's much easier if you can ਀猀瀀爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀挀愀爀攀 搀甀琀椀攀猀 漀甀琀⸀  䄀氀猀漀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀猀 琀漀ഊdo (toys, games, paper & crayons, ect.) A child safety line (read that ਀氀攀愀猀栀⤀ 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀⸀ഊ ਀倀攀愀挀攀Ⰰ 䰀漀瘀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䌀栀漀挀漀氀愀琀攀 䌀栀椀瀀 䌀漀漀欀椀攀猀ഊDiablu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀爀氀椀猀猀 愀琀 栀愀氀⸀倀䠀礀猀椀挀猀⸀眀愀礀渀攀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䨀⸀ 䌀漀爀氀椀猀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀渀搀 栀漀渀漀爀ഊDate: 28 Mar 1994 12:06:04 -0500 ਀ഊAngus wrote: ਀ഊ > SCA fighters......are taught maturity on the battleground, or what I like ਀ 㸀 琀漀 挀愀氀氀 ✀栀漀渀漀爀✀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀昀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀猀 椀猀 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 礀漀甀渀最攀爀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀ഊ > about their powers and responsibilities on the field. I'll admit telling ਀ 㸀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀 愀渀 攀椀最栀琀 礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀 洀椀最栀琀 渀漀琀 眀漀爀欀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀刀漀戀攀爀琀 䘀甀氀最甀洀 栀愀猀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 攀氀漀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀⸀ 䤀渀 猀栀漀爀琀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 栀愀猀 渀漀琀 戀攀攀渀 琀愀甀最栀琀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 栀漀渀漀爀 戀礀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 栀攀 漀爀 猀栀攀 椀猀 攀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀ഊlittle chance of this ever being learned. When I see a child at an event causing trouble unchecked, I invariably find that the parents are not standing ਀戀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀椀爀 戀愀挀欀猀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 戀甀琀 椀渀 昀愀挀琀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 琀漀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀琀 愀氀氀⸀ 倀愀爀攀渀琀猀 眀栀漀 挀漀渀猀琀愀渀琀氀礀 挀栀攀挀欀 椀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 瀀氀愀礀 攀渀搀 甀瀀 渀漀琀 渀攀攀搀椀渀最 琀漀 挀栀攀挀欀Ⰰഊwhile those who turn their children loose in a group for hours at a time have ਀琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 渀攀攀搀 昀漀爀 瘀椀最椀氀愀渀挀攀⸀ 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 挀愀渀 戀攀 琀愀甀最栀琀 栀漀渀漀爀Ⰰ 挀漀甀爀琀攀猀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀㨀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 愀爀攀 琀愀甀最栀琀 戀礀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀⸀ 䘀愀爀 昀爀漀洀 渀漀琀 戀攀椀渀最 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀Ⰰ 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 氀攀愀爀渀 渀漀戀氀攀 焀甀愀氀椀琀椀攀猀 昀愀猀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀搀甀氀琀猀⸀ 䤀昀 渀漀琀 最攀渀琀氀攀ഊat an early age, they will likely never change. ਀ഊBeorthwine ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀爀椀 愀琀 愀氀瀀栀愀㈀⸀挀猀搀⸀甀眀洀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀匀愀爀椀 䔀氀氀攀渀 匀琀椀氀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 匀漀渀最猀⼀䐀愀渀挀攀猀 昀漀爀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊDate: 9 May 1994 14:28:29 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 圀椀猀挀漀渀猀椀渀 ⴀ 䴀椀氀眀愀甀欀攀攀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀攀⸀䌀愀氀愀昀爀愀渀挀攀猀挀漀 愀琀 昀㔀㐀⸀渀㈀㜀㈀⸀稀㄀⸀昀椀搀漀渀攀琀⸀漀爀最 ⠀䐀愀瘀攀 䌀愀氀愀昀爀愀渀挀攀猀挀漀⤀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 愀渀搀 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀渀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀椀渀最 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀⸀ ഊMy daughter, Now age 7, LOVES handing out danglies at Troll and has done ਀琀栀椀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 琀椀洀攀 猀椀渀挀攀 愀最攀 㔀⸀⸀⸀ഊ(put the kids to work doing SOMETHING... maybe a kids craft course?... ਀昀愀渀挀礀 栀愀椀爀戀爀愀椀搀椀渀最 挀漀甀爀猀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 欀攀攀瀀 愀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀 爀愀渀最攀 昀攀洀愀氀攀 欀椀搀 戀甀猀礀 昀漀爀ഊa while... braiding each other's hair...) ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀爀椀 愀琀 愀氀瀀栀愀㈀⸀挀猀搀⸀甀眀洀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀匀愀爀椀 䔀氀氀攀渀 匀琀椀氀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀䄀 䬀椀搀猀ഊDate: 22 Sep 1994 17:20:22 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 圀椀猀挀漀渀猀椀渀 ⴀ 䴀椀氀眀愀甀欀攀攀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀䌀眀䤀渀䤀眀⸀㄀䬀䨀 愀琀 愀挀猀甀⸀戀甀昀昀愀氀漀⸀攀搀甀㸀Ⰰ 戀礀 瘀　㠀㄀氀甀㌀㌀ 愀琀 甀戀瘀洀猀⸀挀挀⸀戀甀昀昀愀氀漀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀吀刀䤀匀吀䄀一 䌀䰀䄀䤀刀 䐀䔀 䰀唀一䔀⼀䬀䔀一 䴀伀一䐀匀䌀䠀䔀䤀一⤀㨀ഊ> to force a kid to go to an event, but at the same time, it's the sort of ਀㸀 琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀✀搀 琀栀椀渀欀 欀椀搀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀漀瘀攀 ⠀漀爀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䤀 眀椀猀栀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀✀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀ഊ> the SCA when I was about 11 or 12). ਀䨀漀氀攀攀渀Ⰰ 洀礀 猀洀愀氀氀Ⰰ 愀最攀 㜀⸀㔀 ⠀漀渀 伀挀琀 ㈀㜀 琀栀攀 ⸀㔀 椀猀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀⤀Ⰰ 䰀伀嘀䔀匀 匀䌀䄀ഊespecially when she is busy "helping"... helping serve or troll or do ਀戀甀挀欀氀攀猀 漀渀 愀爀洀漀爀 漀爀⸀⸀⸀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀渀✀琀 洀甀挀栀 猀栀攀 挀愀渀 搀漀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀ഊshe'll be coloring, playing, chatting with folks... ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀漀瘀攀氀礀 瀀栀漀琀漀 昀爀漀洀 愀 昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 愀琀 䌀爀漀眀渀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀 挀漀甀爀琀Ⰰ 䨀漀氀攀攀渀ഊswearing fealty! And another time sitting on the Jaravellier Baron's lap ਀搀甀爀椀渀最 愀 圀愀爀爀椀漀爀✀猀 䐀愀礀 挀漀甀爀琀⸀⸀⸀戀氀漀眀椀渀最 戀甀戀戀氀攀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ圀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 䰀䤀䬀䔀匀 椀猀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 琀栀愀琀 䜀爀漀眀渀 甀瀀猀 瀀氀愀礀 瀀爀攀琀攀渀搀 琀漀漀⸀⸀⸀ഊand her big friends in SCA are truely loved. ਀ഊ She cried and cried for a week when Lord Ihashi passed away, and we ਀猀琀椀氀氀 猀瀀攀愀欀 漀昀 栀椀洀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀  匀栀攀 栀愀猀 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 䤀栀愀猀栀椀✀猀ഊinteractions with her that I never witnessed... ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀氀氀攀礀 愀琀 渀椀欀琀漀眀⸀挀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀愀氀氀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀䄀 䬀椀搀猀ഊDate: 8 Oct 94 12:43:40 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䌀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀Ⰰ 䈀甀昀昀愀氀漀 一夀⸀ ㄀㐀㈀　㠀ഊ ਀䤀猀琀瘀愀渀渀 䐀爀愀最漀猀愀渀椀 ⠀䈀爀攀琀琀 圀⸀ 䴀挀䌀漀礀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>>FROM: Jan Wagner ਀㸀㸀倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 椀搀攀愀猀 琀漀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀椀攀瘀愀琀攀 戀漀爀搀漀洀 昀漀爀 ഊ>>these young folks. Most outdoor events I've been to are centered around ਀㸀㸀愀搀甀氀琀猀 ⠀昀椀最栀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 挀漀洀瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ攀琀挀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 攀砀挀氀甀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 愀最攀 最爀漀甀瀀⸀ ഊ ਀吀漀 最攀琀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 挀栀愀爀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 琀爀攀攀⸀ഊWe've done this at several Ice Dragons. "After each fight is finished, take ਀琀栀攀 猀栀椀攀氀搀猀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀攀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 猀栀椀攀氀搀猀 漀渀 琀漀瀀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 ഊold top shields to the marshall, have him put winner on top (the names are on ਀琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀 挀愀猀攀 琀栀攀 洀愀爀猀栀愀氀氀 挀愀渀✀琀 爀攀愀搀 栀攀爀愀氀搀爀礀⤀ 戀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 漀氀搀 猀栀椀攀氀搀猀 琀漀 ഊthe list minister, get the new shields from the assistant list minister and ਀瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀攀⸀  伀戀攀礀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 愀琀 愀氀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀琀愀礀 漀甀琀 漀昀 ഊthe list ropes (or you won't get to do it anymore!)" We've never had any ਀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 戀氀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 昀攀攀氀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 搀漀椀渀最 ഊ'something important'. And they can keep up with six lists running ਀猀椀洀甀氀琀愀渀攀漀甀猀氀礀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 愀 瀀愀椀爀 漀昀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 栀愀搀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 搀漀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 ഊthe job. ਀ഊ>>Granted, some Kindgoms have been trying to involve these folks in a ਀㸀㸀猀洀愀氀氀 猀挀愀氀攀⸀ 倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 愀猀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 琀愀欀攀 椀琀 甀瀀漀渀 漀甀爀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 琀漀 ഊ>>involve these young adults-- not merely having them become pages but ਀㸀㸀刀䔀䄀䰀䰀夀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀㨀 琀攀愀挀栀 琀栀攀洀 愀 渀攀眀 猀欀椀氀氀Ⰰ 栀漀眀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 ഊ>>merchant, showing and helping them create a piece of art work, general ਀㸀㸀攀琀琀椀焀甀攀琀琀攀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 眀漀洀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 瀀甀猀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 愀 瀀攀攀爀愀最攀ⰀഊLady Roseanna vom Meiri, who not only does drop-dead gorgeous calligraphy ਀愀渀搀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀愀猀 愀 ✀瀀愀最攀猀 最甀椀氀搀✀ 漀昀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀眀漀 搀漀稀攀渀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊwho she's taught her art to. The kids request an appearance with the ਀爀漀礀愀氀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀眀椀挀攀 愀 礀攀愀爀 漀爀 猀漀 愀渀搀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀眀漀 搀漀稀攀渀ഊscroll blanks (illuminated but not calliged). Most of the scrolls get ਀甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 愀眀愀爀搀猀 愀渀搀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 猀漀洀攀 栀愀渀最椀渀最 椀渀 栀漀洀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 ഊmasking tape on the frame reading "Illumination by The Pages Guild". ਀ഊ> As a newly designated Chatelaine/Hospitaller for my shire, one of my ਀㸀 搀甀琀椀攀猀 椀猀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最猀琀攀爀猀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀⸀  伀渀攀 琀栀椀渀最 ഊ> we try to do is teach the kids games first off, as they can be quickly ਀㸀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀⸀  䜀愀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䜀漀漀猀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀⸀  ഊ ਀䐀漀甀戀氀攀 琀栀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀椀琀礀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 最愀洀攀 ∀氀椀昀攀ⴀ猀椀稀攀∀ 愀渀搀 攀愀挀栀 挀栀椀氀搀 戀攀挀漀洀攀猀ഊhis/her own playing piece. Draw the "special squares" on 8 1/2 x 11 paper ਀⠀甀猀攀 爀漀礀愀氀⼀瀀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀⼀戀愀爀漀渀椀愀氀 挀椀琀椀稀攀渀 戀愀搀最攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 戀氀愀渀欀猀⤀Ⰰ 瀀栀漀琀漀挀漀瀀礀ഊas many of each as needed, lay them out along a duct tape line on the floor ਀猀漀 琀栀攀礀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀椀挀栀 猀焀甀愀爀攀 椀猀 渀攀砀琀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 搀椀挀攀 漀甀琀 漀昀 ㄀⼀㈀ 最愀氀 洀椀氀欀 挀愀爀琀漀渀猀ഊpaint and black marker, get props for the special squares (e.g. an empty ਀琀愀渀欀愀爀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 琀愀瘀攀爀渀Ⰰ 漀瘀攀爀猀椀稀攀 洀愀渀愀挀氀攀猀 昀漀爀 樀愀椀氀Ⰰ 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 戀甀挀欀攀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊwell, etc.), get candy for all of the kids and play! Everytime I set this ਀甀瀀Ⰰ 䤀 猀攀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 爀甀渀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀渀 攀渀琀椀爀攀 爀漀氀氀 漀昀 昀椀氀洀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 吀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 㸀 戀愀猀椀挀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 猀欀椀氀氀猀 眀漀爀欀猀Ⰰ ഊ ਀䠀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 猀攀爀瘀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀甀氀琀猀 琀漀 栀椀最栀 琀愀戀氀攀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀攀愀猀琀⸀  䤀昀 椀琀✀猀 最漀漀搀Ⰰ ഊthe royals will hog it for themselves, if not, the royals will 'generously' ਀栀愀瘀攀 椀琀 瀀愀猀猀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 栀愀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 猀栀漀眀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 栀漀眀 琀漀 搀漀 挀愀氀氀椀最爀愀瀀栀礀Ⰰ ഊ ਀猀攀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 琀攀氀氀椀渀最 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀 ⠀愀渀搀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 栀漀眀 琀漀 琀攀氀氀 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀⤀Ⰰ ഊ> and various workshop type things. We have a good proportion of kids in ਀㸀 漀甀爀 猀栀椀爀攀 ⠀琀栀爀攀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 洀椀渀攀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 搀漀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀洀 戀甀猀礀Ⰰ ഊ> especially during the weekly meetings. Even making simple jewelry gets ਀㸀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀 猀琀爀椀渀最椀渀最 戀攀愀搀猀⸀  伀渀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀 䤀 ഊ> was at, the kids got a big kick out of painting themselves with woad. ਀ഊTeach them how to make chainmail key chains that they can merchant. ਀ഊ> Kids also get a kick out of dancing with the 'grownups'. ਀ഊYes. And I love watching when an adult lady has to pass under the arm ਀漀昀 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 氀漀爀搀⸀ 㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀㸀 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 漀渀攀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 洀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 昀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀 ഊ> are encouraged to participate together. Kids like nothing more than ਀㸀 搀漀椀渀最 琀栀椀渀最猀 眀椀琀栀 愀搀甀氀琀猀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 ✀瀀爀攀琀攀渀搀椀渀最✀ 愀渀搀 ഊ> dressing up in outlandish clothing. ਀ഊOne of the things I always mention at demos. We do not segregate by age ਀漀爀 最攀渀搀攀爀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀攀 开愀猀 昀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀开⸀ഊ ਀                                                       ⴀ 䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀ഊ ਀匀䌀䄀 倀攀爀猀漀渀愀 㨀 䰀漀爀搀 䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀 䌀漀氀氀椀渀最眀漀漀搀 漀昀 䔀洀攀爀愀氀搀 䰀愀欀攀Ⰰ 䌀匀䌀Ⰰ 䌀䬀Ⰰ 䌀吀爀ഊHabitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony ਀䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀    㨀 猀愀氀氀攀礀 愀琀 渀椀欀琀漀眀⸀挀猀⸀挀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊUSnail-net : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029 ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Guides for motherhood ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 甀渀愀 愀琀 戀爀攀最攀甀昀⸀猀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀⸀漀爀最 ⠀䠀漀渀漀甀爀 䠀漀爀渀攀ⴀ䨀愀爀甀欀⤀ഊDate: Tue, 27 Dec 94 10:24:44 EST ਀ഊghoog at osf1.gmu.EDU (Genevieve M Hoog) writes: ਀㸀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 挀栀椀氀搀ⴀ爀愀椀猀椀渀最⸀  䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 琀栀愀琀 ഊ> gave instruction on rearing a child? Does anybody out there have any ਀㸀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀猀⼀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 爀攀最愀爀搀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀㼀  䘀攀眀 琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀礀 洀愀礀 戀攀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 漀渀攀 ഊ> or two books are known about today...it was just an interesting topic that ਀㸀 挀愀甀最栀琀 洀礀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 愀渀 漀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 搀爀攀愀爀礀 搀愀礀℀ഊ> ਀㸀 夀漀甀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀愀渀欀猀Ⰰ ഊ> Genevieve du Renard ਀㸀 ഊ> mka Genevieve Hoog ਀㸀 倀漀渀琀攀 䄀氀琀漀Ⰰ 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀ഊ Respected friend: ਀ऀ伀渀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 猀甀挀栀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 椀渀 戀漀漀欀猀⸀ 吀爀礀ഊgoing through the (now discredited) legends of Christ's childhood, or digging ਀甀瀀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀琀挀栀椀渀最 猀漀渀最猀 ⠀眀椀琀栀礀ⴀ琀爀攀攀 挀愀爀漀氀 猀瀀爀椀渀最猀 琀漀 洀椀渀搀⸀⤀ഊ Two, there were, and are, people who didn't/couldn't invest emotionally ਀椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀㬀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 搀椀搀渀✀琀⼀挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 搀椀猀椀渀瘀攀猀琀 昀爀漀洀ഊtheir dead children, and were destroyed by it. (The King of France supposedly ਀最漀琀 栀椀猀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 瀀甀爀挀栀愀猀攀 琀栀攀 䐀愀甀瀀栀椀渀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀渀ⴀ 漀眀渀攀爀 挀爀愀挀欀攀搀 甀瀀 漀瘀攀爀 ഊthe accidental death of his toddler heir.) ਀ऀ吀栀爀攀攀Ⰰ 漀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀渀琀椀渀最 瀀爀攀猀猀 最漀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 猀漀 搀椀搀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 戀愀戀礀ⴀ爀愀椀猀椀渀最⸀ഊIn England, "the nouris' boke" (spelling varied by edition, and there were ਀氀漀琀猀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀⤀ 眀愀猀 椀渀琀攀渀搀攀搀 昀漀爀 渀漀渀ⴀ洀漀琀栀攀爀猀 挀愀爀椀渀最 昀漀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀ ⠀䄀洀漀渀最 椀琀猀✀ഊbits of sage advice: "Swap the clouts frequent against the piss and dung.".) ਀ऀ圀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀 漀昀 怀䄀 搀椀猀琀愀渀琀 洀椀爀爀漀爀✀ 搀椀搀 愀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 攀砀攀氀氀攀渀琀 樀漀戀Ⰰഊshe was hardly infallable. I know of a case where the same Elizabethan diarist ਀渀漀琀攀猀 挀愀氀洀氀礀 琀栀攀 搀攀愀琀栀 漀昀 愀渀 椀渀昀愀渀琀 猀漀渀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 怀昀攀攀氀猀 戀甀琀 ഊlittle as I did not know him well'... and in another section writes an ਀愀最漀渀椀稀椀渀最 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀洀漀琀椀漀渀愀氀 搀攀瘀愀猀琀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀搀 琀栀攀 搀攀愀琀栀 漀昀 ഊanother child, a theoretically-less-valuable daughter. ਀ऀ䤀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 眀漀爀搀猀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 漀瘀攀爀ⴀ最攀渀攀爀愀氀椀稀攀搀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 昀漀氀欀猀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 最椀瘀攀 愀 昀氀礀椀渀最Ⰰഊsome gave thier lives, thier fortunes, thier immortal souls. Just like us ਀琀漀搀愀礀⸀ഊ (By the way, my college professor said the Crist Child was shown in ਀瘀攀爀礀 甀渀ⴀ挀栀椀氀搀氀椀欀攀 瀀爀漀瀀漀爀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀爀攀猀猀椀漀渀 琀漀 椀渀搀椀挀愀琀攀 栀椀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 愀猀ഊGod-pretending-to-be-human-toddler.) ਀ഊ (Friend) Honour Horne-Jaruk R.S.F. ਀                                䄀氀椀稀愀甀渀搀攀Ⰰ 䐀攀洀漀椀猀攀氀氀攀 搀攀 䈀爀攀最攀甀昀 䌀⸀伀⸀䰀⸀ 匀䌀䄀ഊ Una Wicca ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 欀愀琀栀礀⸀搀甀昀昀礀 愀琀 戀甀挀欀礀猀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䬀愀琀栀礀 䐀甀昀昀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䜀甀椀搀攀猀 昀漀爀 洀漀琀栀攀爀栀漀漀搀 ⠀昀眀搀⤀ഊDate: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 03:17:00 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 ⨀䈀甀挀欀礀✀猀 䈀䈀匀⨀ ⠀㘀　㤀⤀㠀㘀㄀ⴀ㄀㄀㌀㄀ഊ ਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀渀攀 搀攀 倀椀猀愀渀 眀爀漀琀攀 愀 戀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 攀搀甀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀爀攀渀挀栀ഊPrinces as well as many other works, a biography included. So there ਀洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀椀渀最猀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: habura at vccnw04.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Childrearing... ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㜀 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㌀㨀㔀㘀㨀㄀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY ਀ഊOn maternal love: Dani, the book you're thinking about is Aries' _Centuries ਀漀昀 䌀栀椀氀搀栀漀漀搀开⸀ ⠀䤀匀䈀一 漀渀 爀攀焀甀攀猀琀Ⰰ 昀漀氀欀猀㬀 椀琀✀猀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 愀琀 眀漀爀欀⸀⤀ 䤀 甀猀攀搀ഊit a supplementary info for a sociology course I took. And yes, many modern ਀爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀攀爀猀 搀椀猀愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 䄀爀椀攀猀✀ 挀漀渀挀氀甀猀椀漀渀猀⸀ ⠀䤀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 栀椀猀 洀愀椀渀 琀栀攀猀椀猀 愀猀ഊbeing that children were considered not-persons in early childhood, up to ਀愀戀漀甀琀 愀最攀 猀攀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 眀攀爀攀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 洀椀渀椀愀琀甀爀攀 愀搀甀氀琀猀⸀⤀ 䤀琀✀猀 愀 渀攀愀琀ഊbook anyway if you just read the straight-reportage parts; there's some ਀椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀猀 漀昀 琀漀眀渀ⴀ最漀眀渀 昀椀最栀琀猀⸀ ഊ ਀圀栀愀琀✀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 ⨀漀甀爀⨀ 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀猀 琀漀眀愀爀搀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀爀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀氀礀ഊanomalous. We probably don't love our kids any more than parents from other ਀攀爀愀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀攀✀爀攀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀漀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀猀 攀挀漀渀漀洀椀挀愀氀氀礀ഊworthless in all classes. (Wealthy children were never economic producers, ਀戀甀琀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 戀漀爀渀 椀渀琀漀 洀漀猀琀 昀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 猀甀挀栀⸀⤀ 圀攀 愀氀猀漀 攀砀琀攀渀搀ഊchildhood well into physical maturity, which is unusual historically. (I'll ਀栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 洀礀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 开倀爀椀挀椀渀最 琀栀攀 倀爀椀挀攀氀攀猀猀 䌀栀椀氀搀开 戀愀挀欀 昀爀漀洀 䐀愀搀㬀 䤀✀氀氀ഊpost more then, if anyone's interested.) ਀ഊAlison MacDermot ਀⨀䔀砀 唀渀最甀攀 䰀攀漀渀攀洀⨀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: fp458 at cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Elise A. Fleming) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Childrearing... ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㜀 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㐀㨀㔀㄀㨀　㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) ਀ഊA point was made a few posts back to the effect that _who_ was ਀最漀椀渀最 琀漀 爀攀愀搀 愀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀愀爀椀渀最㼀  䴀漀猀琀 眀漀洀攀渀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 爀攀愀搀⸀ഊ(Yes, it's a generalization.) Most people lived with other rela- ਀琀椀瘀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 栀漀甀猀攀Ⰰ 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀猀 眀栀漀 栀愀搀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 爀愀椀猀攀搀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀ഊAren't we one of the few generations that suffer from this lack ਀漀昀 挀漀渀昀椀搀攀渀挀攀 椀渀 爀愀椀猀椀渀最 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 ⠀漀爀 戀椀爀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀ഊanother "hobbyhorse".) ਀ഊHas anyone considered the types of books such as the "Boke of ਀一甀爀琀甀爀攀∀ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 椀氀欀㼀  吀栀攀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 爀甀氀攀猀 昀漀爀 洀愀渀渀攀爀猀ഊsuch as pressing one's "snot" into the ground with one's foot so ਀琀栀愀琀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 眀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 琀爀攀愀搀 漀渀 椀琀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀ഊaround in the 1500s and 1600s. _The Babees Book_ (or a 'lytle ਀刀攀瀀漀爀琀✀ 漀昀 栀漀眀 夀漀甀渀最 倀攀漀瀀氀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀栀愀瘀攀㬀 开䠀甀最栀 刀栀漀搀攀猀✀猀 䈀漀欀攀 漀昀ഊNurture_ (1577), _John Russell's Boke of Nurture_ are some of the ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ∀渀甀爀琀甀爀椀渀最∀ 戀漀漀欀猀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀搀 椀渀 开吀栀攀 䈀愀戀攀攀猀 䈀漀漀欀开 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀ഊby Greenwood Press, NY, 1969 as a reprint of an Early English ਀吀攀砀琀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 瀀爀椀渀琀椀渀最 椀渀 ㄀㠀㘀㠀⸀  䴀甀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀搀瘀椀挀攀 搀攀愀氀猀 眀椀琀栀ഊmealtimes (as any modern parent knows, 'tis the _only_ place to ਀挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀渀搀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀洀 昀爀漀洀 戀攀椀渀最 挀爀甀搀攀 戀愀爀戀愀爀椀愀渀猀 㨀⤀ ഊTongue firmly in cheek!) ਀ഊ"Fynd thou no fault in discreete men, ਀  漀昀 最漀漀搀 瀀攀爀猀攀甀攀爀愀甀渀挀攀㬀ഊBut fyrst see thou correct thy selfe ਀  漀昀 眀椀氀昀甀氀氀 椀最渀漀爀愀甀渀挀攀⸀∀ഊ ਀䄀氀礀猀 䬀⸀⼀䔀氀椀猀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: daniel_t at gate.net (Daniel Tartaglia) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Children at Events ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 　㤀 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㈀　㨀㌀㌀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊ ਀圀栀愀琀 挀愀渀 䤀 猀愀礀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 爀攀愀搀 洀礀 ⸀猀椀最  昀椀氀攀 戀攀氀漀眀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 眀栀礀ഊI felt that I *must* reply to this thread whether I had anything new to ਀愀搀搀 漀爀 渀漀琀⸀ 㨀⤀ 嬀愀昀琀攀爀 昀椀渀椀猀栀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀Ⰰ 䤀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 氀漀琀ഊto add. Maybe that is why I'm in the MoC? :)] ਀ഊMany people say that the Ministry of Children is not a baby-sitting ਀猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀⸀ 䤀✀洀 栀攀爀攀 琀漀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀ഊbaby-sitting service at events and many concerned, involved parents need ਀漀渀攀 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 最漀 琀漀 洀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 愀琀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀⸀ 吀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀 椀猀ഊnow offering that service through me and it will continue throughout my ਀琀攀渀甀爀攀 愀猀 搀攀瀀甀琀礀 愀渀搀 氀愀琀攀爀 愀猀 䴀漀䌀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 挀漀猀琀 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀ഊexpect the parents to help watch other peoples children sometime during ਀琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 琀栀攀 䄀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀 椀猀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀椀渀最 愀渀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀戀氀攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰ ⠀猀⤀栀攀ഊshould be willing to help coordinate the parents in their child-care ਀渀攀攀搀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 搀攀氀攀最愀琀攀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀⸀ 夀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀ഊthis is the Autocrats responsibility. Let me explain: ਀ഊThe main reason an autocrat exists is to keep everything organized so that ਀愀猀 洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀猀 瀀漀猀愀戀氀攀 挀愀渀 攀渀樀漀礀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀ഊorganized, then they don't enjoy the event. Nether do their parents, or ਀洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 欀渀攀攀ⴀ樀攀爀欀 爀攀愀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀 椀猀Ⰰ ∀琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀ഊjob." However, we *do* expect the autocrat to organize activities for ਀渀攀眀挀漀洀洀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀爀琀椀猀愀渀猀Ⰰ 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀洀攀渀琀 猀攀攀欀攀爀猀Ⰰ ☀挀⸀ 匀漀 眀栀礀 渀漀琀ഊchildren? ਀ഊWe as an organization, we realize that not everyone who volunteers to run ਀愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀 椀猀 猀欀椀氀氀攀搀 椀渀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀椀渀最 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀攀 眀攀ഊhave the Ministry of Children. The job of the MoC is to help relive some ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 䄀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀猀 戀甀爀搀漀渀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 琀漀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊoverall scheme of the event, to *at least* make sure that the MoC has a ਀瀀氀愀挀攀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀椀渀最⼀攀搀甀挀愀琀椀渀最  琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀ ⨀䔀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀⨀ 琀栀攀ഊchildren under about age 13. ਀ഊIt sounds to me that, in the event in question (which spawned this thread) ਀琀栀攀 䄀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀 瀀愀椀搀 渀漀 爀攀最愀爀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 琀栀攀 ⠀猀⤀栀攀 欀渀攀眀 眀攀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀ഊbe there, or their parents. If the event is meant to be adults only then ਀猀愀礀 猀漀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀氀礀攀爀⸀ 䐀漀渀✀琀 猀愀礀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 愀猀 氀愀洀攀 愀猀 ∀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊresponsibility of their parents." ਀ഊI guess I'll get off the soap-box now... :) ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ⬀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊDaniel T. | Ld. Nicolas Bradwater ਀䌀氀攀愀爀眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 䘀䰀       簀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 䴀椀渀椀猀琀攀爀 漀昀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰ 䐀攀瀀甀琀礀 匀甀挀挀攀猀猀漀爀ഊdaniel_t at gate.net | Trimaris ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: jgawron at hpbs669boi.hp.com (Joe Gawron) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 䔀瘀攀渀琀猀ഊDate: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:49:28 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䠀攀眀氀攀琀琀ⴀ倀愀挀欀愀爀搀 䌀漀洀瀀愀渀礀ഊ ਀  䐀愀最漀渀攀氀氀 眀爀椀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀簀㸀 䄀瘀攀渀攀氀 䬀攀氀氀漀甀最栀 ⠀䌀⸀ 䬀攀瘀椀渀 䬀攀氀氀漀最最⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ|> > Lee Martindale (lmartin at utic) wrote: ਀簀㸀 㸀 㨀 吀栀椀猀 猀瀀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 洀礀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 眀椀氀氀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀椀最最攀猀琀 漀甀琀搀漀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀ഊ|> > : in Ansteorra, so this is a subject much under discussion at this time. ਀簀㸀 㸀 㨀 䤀✀洀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀琀猀 栀攀爀攀 眀椀琀栀 最爀攀愀琀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀⸀⸀⸀⸀琀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀℀ഊ|> ਀簀㸀 㸀 ऀ䤀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀椀渀最 眀栀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀 戀攀氀漀渀最猀 琀漀 愀琀 氀愀爀最攀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀ഊ|> > a problem. Often, young children do not know thier parents names, real or ਀簀㸀 㸀 匀䌀䄀⸀  䤀渀 䌀愀氀愀昀椀愀Ⰰ 眀攀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀 愀氀氀 洀椀渀漀爀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 倀漀琀爀攀爀漀 眀愀爀猀 琀漀 眀攀愀爀 愀ഊ|> > non-removable wristband (the type frequently used at concerts) with an ਀簀㸀 㸀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀椀渀最 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀渀 椀琀⸀  圀攀 挀愀渀 琀栀攀渀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 渀愀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊ|> > registration forms, which also includes the name of the group they are ਀簀㸀 㸀 挀愀洀瀀攀搀 眀椀琀栀⸀  吀栀椀猀 栀愀猀 瀀爀漀瘀攀渀 椀渀瘀愀氀甀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀猀Ⰰഊ|> > reuniting a frightened younster with distraught parents. ਀簀㸀 ഊ|> It would also help if the parents used a period solution. Make the child ਀簀㸀 愀 琀愀戀愀爀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀愀琀栀攀爀✀猀 愀爀洀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 洀愀爀欀 漀昀 挀愀搀攀渀挀礀⸀  䴀愀欀攀ഊ|> a banner of the father's arms to hang off the tent. If the child gets ਀簀㸀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀椀渀搀攀爀 挀愀渀 洀愀琀挀栀 琀愀戀愀爀搀 琀漀 戀愀渀渀攀爀 愀渀搀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀ഊ|> immediately without having to take him to the troll first. ਀簀㸀 ഊ|> - Dagonell ਀簀㸀 ഊ Similarly, when our first was young enough to be secured in a playpen ਀愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀渀最 猀洀愀氀氀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 漀甀爀 戀愀渀渀攀爀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀礀瀀攀渀⸀ 圀攀✀瘀攀ഊbeen around long enough that folks knew our arms well enough to know whose ਀挀栀椀氀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀⸀  䄀琀 氀愀爀最攀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 漀昀 漀爀椀最椀渀 椀猀 椀渀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ ഊincluding the arms (or actually the ensigns ) of the kingdom and local group ਀椀猀 甀猀攀昀甀氀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀     䈀爀攀渀搀愀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: pat at lloyd.com (Pat McGregor) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Children at Events ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㌀ 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㈀㨀　㜀㨀　㜀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊOrganization: Lloyd Internetworking, Cameron Park, CA 95682 ਀ഊKATHLEEN GORMAN wrote: ਀㸀ഊ>Maybe this is why it takes two parents to make a kid, so that ONE of the ਀㸀瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 挀愀渀 眀愀琀挀栀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 伀一䔀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀猀⼀最漀攀猀 琀漀 洀攀攀琀椀渀最猀⼀ഊ>fights/etc. ਀㸀ഊ>Eyrny ਀ഊ;-) ;-) Except of course when both parents are peers and called into ਀洀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 猀椀洀甀氀琀愀渀攀漀甀猀氀礀 戀礀 琀栀攀椀爀 䴀愀樀攀猀琀椀攀猀⸀⸀⸀ 㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀䤀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀漀渀漀洀漀甀猀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀瘀攀 洀攀琀栀漀搀ⴀⴀ 最愀渀最椀渀最 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀ഊof similarly aged children -- works best for us. We bring toys ਀愀渀搀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀爀攀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀 挀氀攀愀爀 愀 猀瀀愀挀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀 愀爀攀ഊfree to ramble and play and hang out. Some parent or responsible older ਀欀椀搀 椀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀 琀愀欀攀 琀甀爀渀猀⸀ 圀攀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀 琀漀 琀爀礀ഊto teach the kids what constitutes appropriate behavior, and have had ਀昀攀眀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 猀漀 昀愀爀⸀ ഊ ਀䄀猀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀 最攀琀 漀氀搀攀爀 琀栀攀礀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 开搀漀椀渀最开 琀栀椀渀最猀㨀ഊmy older daughter (14+) has been working as a server at events since she was ਀㜀 漀爀 㠀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀礀 猀漀渀 栀愀猀 攀砀瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀 ⠀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀✀猀 戀椀最 攀渀漀甀最栀⤀ 椀渀ഊboth doing page school activities and in finding someone to be a ਀瀀愀最攀 琀漀⸀ 䤀 愀洀 猀琀椀氀氀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀椀爀 戀攀栀愀瘀椀漀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀ഊwhen they are occupied doing something -- either service or ਀氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 戀攀栀愀瘀椀漀爀 椀猀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀匀甀爀攀氀礀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 洀甀猀琀 琀愀欀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀✀ 戀攀栀愀瘀椀漀爀猀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊparent / responsible party is the first line defense. After that, ਀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 眀栀漀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀 挀愀渀 琀愀欀攀 挀漀洀洀愀渀搀⼀栀漀氀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰഊand beyond that we're in a realm of trouble that I hope I never get into. ਀㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀䤀 愀爀最甀攀搀 氀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀 昀漀爀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 ഊwhere drinking and older teens are involved. I still hold that position. ਀ ഊ regards, ਀   猀椀漀戀栀愀渀ഊ=========================================================================== ਀匀椀漀戀栀愀渀 䴀攀搀栀戀栀 伀✀刀漀愀爀欀攀 ⼀ 倀愀琀 䴀挀䜀爀攀最漀爀ഊ ਀匀栀愀爀椀渀最 栀攀爀 琀椀洀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 䌀爀漀猀猀琀漀渀 ☀ 䴀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀✀猀 䜀愀琀攀⼀䜀漀氀搀攀渀 刀椀瘀攀爀猀 ഊpat at cygnus.com siobhan at lloyd.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀挀氀愀爀欀 愀琀 戀氀甀攀猀⸀攀瀀愀猀⸀甀琀漀爀漀渀琀漀⸀挀愀 ⠀匀甀猀愀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䌀氀愀爀欀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 䔀瘀攀渀琀猀ഊDate: 10 Feb 1995 02:16:25 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 吀漀爀漀渀琀漀 ⴀⴀ 䔀倀䄀匀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀℀ഊ For parents: I think it's important to know before you go ਀眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀爀 欀椀搀猀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 搀漀椀渀最⸀  䌀愀氀氀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀 愀渀搀 愀猀欀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀椀氀氀ഊbe kids' activities, and if so, what kind. Or make arrangements with ਀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 琀漀 猀甀瀀攀爀瘀椀猀攀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀 椀渀 猀栀椀昀琀猀Ⰰ  猀漀 琀栀愀琀 渀漀 漀渀攀 椀猀ഊ"stuck" all day. Don't assume that friends without children sitting ਀椀渀 愀 挀漀爀渀攀爀 攀洀戀爀漀椀搀攀爀椀渀最 漀爀 挀栀愀琀琀椀渀最 愀爀攀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最ഊto watch your kids. And finally--remember that what's a fun-filled, ਀搀愀礀 氀漀渀最 攀瘀攀渀琀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 戀攀 ⠀攀瘀攀渀琀甀愀氀氀礀⤀ 琀椀爀椀渀最 愀渀搀 戀漀爀椀渀最 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀ഊkids, especially if there don't happen to be others of the same age ਀愀爀漀甀渀搀⸀  夀漀甀 洀愀礀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 愀爀爀愀渀最攀 昀漀爀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀 漀昀 ∀琀椀洀攀 漀甀琀∀ 漀昀昀 猀椀琀攀ഊwith them just for a change of scenery--even if this is just going ਀愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀礀最爀漀甀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䘀漀爀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀猀㨀  䘀椀爀猀琀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀攀洀漀猀琀㨀 䐀攀氀攀最愀琀攀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 愀猀 挀漀漀爀搀椀渀愀琀漀爀ഊfor childrens' activities! Once again, emphasize that this is not ਀愀 戀愀戀礀猀椀琀琀椀渀最 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ⴀⴀ戀甀琀 搀漀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 礀漀甀✀瘀攀 最漀琀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 戀攀猀椀搀攀猀ഊcolouring books! One event I was at recently had the kidss working on a ਀氀愀爀最攀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 瀀愀爀愀搀攀ⴀ琀礀瀀攀 搀爀愀最漀渀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀礀 氀愀琀攀爀 瀀愀爀愀搀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀ഊin. Another fun possibility is putting together a mummers' procession ਀漀爀 瀀愀渀琀漀洀椀洀攀 猀栀漀眀⸀  儀甀攀猀琀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 最漀漀搀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀昀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 最攀琀猀ഊsome "treasure" at the end. On the negative side--do let parents know that ਀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 甀氀琀椀洀愀琀攀氀礀 氀椀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀洀⸀  䤀昀 琀栀攀礀 戀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 欀椀搀猀 琀漀ഊan event with no kids' activities, this does not give the kids the right ਀琀漀 瀀攀猀琀攀爀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀℀ഊ ਀一椀挀漀氀愀愀⼀匀甀猀愀渀ഊCanton of Eoforwic ਀猀挀氀愀爀欀 愀琀 攀瀀愀猀⸀甀琀漀爀漀渀琀漀⸀挀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Maryanne.Bartlett at f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Maryanne Bartlett) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Children at Events ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀　 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㄀㨀　㠀㨀　　 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊ ਀ ⴀ㴀㸀 儀甀漀琀椀渀最 䌀⸀ 䬀攀瘀椀渀 䬀攀氀氀漀最最 琀漀 䄀氀氀 㰀㴀ⴀഊ ਀ 䌀䬀䬀㸀 䤀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀椀渀最 眀栀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀 戀攀氀漀渀最猀 琀漀 愀琀 氀愀爀最攀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀ഊ CKK> a problem. Often, young children do not know thier parents names, ਀ 䌀䬀䬀㸀 爀攀愀氀 漀爀 匀䌀䄀⸀  䤀渀 䌀愀氀愀昀椀愀Ⰰ 眀攀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀 愀氀氀 洀椀渀漀爀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 倀漀琀爀攀爀漀 眀愀爀猀 琀漀ഊ CKK> wear a non-removable wristband (the type frequently used at concerts) ਀ 䌀䬀䬀㸀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀椀渀最 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀渀 椀琀⸀  圀攀 挀愀渀 琀栀攀渀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 渀愀洀攀ഊ CKK> from the registration forms, which also includes the name of the group ਀ 䌀䬀䬀㸀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 挀愀洀瀀攀搀 眀椀琀栀⸀  吀栀椀猀 栀愀猀 瀀爀漀瘀攀渀 椀渀瘀愀氀甀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀ഊ CKK> of occasions, reuniting a frightened younster with distraught parents. ਀ഊ A more period (or at least acceptable) way of identifying children ਀椀猀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 礀漀甀爀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀洀⸀ ഊ ਀       圀攀 搀漀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 搀攀洀漀猀 椀渀 䄀渀吀椀爀 愀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀 洀愀渀礀 ✀䐀愀渀攀猀 愀爀漀渀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最ഊthe demos, I *don't* want my kids names anywhere that someone weird can ਀昀椀渀搀 ✀攀洀⸀ ⠀䤀 栀愀搀渀✀琀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 漀昀 渀甀洀戀攀爀猀℀⤀ 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 眀攀✀瘀攀 渀漀琀 栀愀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀ഊto do something on a group basis, so parents need to provide their own ਀猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀⸀ ഊ ਀       䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 琀愀戀愀爀搀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀愀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 ⠀愀渀搀 愀ഊnumber of other people in this area) is to make a shield-shaped tag, about ਀㘀 椀渀挀栀攀猀 氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀 瀀愀椀渀琀搀 漀渀 漀渀攀 猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀✀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊother. If people can figure out my Barony (and all the heralds can, as ਀眀攀氀氀 愀猀 猀攀爀最攀愀渀琀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀⤀ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 眀攀爀攀 最漀椀渀最ഊout-of-kingdom, such as to Pennsic, perhaps it might be smarter to put ਀礀漀甀爀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀✀猀 愀爀洀猀 漀爀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀挀攀 戀愀搀最攀 漀渀 漀渀攀 猀椀搀攀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最 椀猀ഊreadable by SCAdians and looks pretty good, too. ਀ഊ These tags are usually worn as a necklace by the older children. I ਀瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 琀眀椀氀氀 琀愀瀀攀 猀琀爀甀渀最 眀椀琀栀 猀琀漀甀琀 戀攀愀搀猀⸀ 䘀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀猀 眀栀漀ഊmight choke themselves, I sew them to an outer garment like a hood. The ਀欀椀搀猀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 ∀樀攀眀攀氀爀礀∀⸀ 圀攀✀瘀攀 漀渀氀礀 栀愀搀 漀渀攀 琀愀最 搀椀猀愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 椀渀 㜀 礀攀愀爀猀℀ഊ ਀       䴀礀 欀椀搀猀 栀愀瘀攀 搀椀猀愀瀀瀀攀愀爀攀搀 漀渀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀✀瘀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 戀攀攀渀ഊbrought back, (sometimes by an irate person, I'm sorry to say!) but htye ਀⨀挀愀渀⨀ 昀椀渀搀 洀攀℀ഊ ਀一愀 猀栀氀攀搀愀渀漀甀ⰀഊAnja Snihova' ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀眀愀爀搀　㈀ 愀琀 戀椀最挀愀琀⸀洀椀猀猀漀甀爀椀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀匀栀愀渀渀漀渀 刀⸀ 圀愀爀搀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 䔀瘀攀渀琀猀ഊDate: 22 Feb 1995 10:08:28 -0500 ਀ഊWhat other ideas do people have for entertaining, yet inforative ਀愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀㼀  匀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 戀爀攀愀搀 洀愀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 猀椀渀最椀渀最 ഊ(does anyone know any good period children's songs?), dancing, and tag (I ਀氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 倀氀愀最甀攀 椀搀攀愀⤀⸀  匀漀洀攀 椀搀攀愀猀 䤀 栀愀搀 眀攀爀攀㨀ഊ a class on SCA manners (with a special visit from the Queen or ਀                                倀爀椀渀挀攀猀猀 猀漀 眀攀 挀愀渀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 戀漀眀椀渀最⤀ഊ boffer tourney (to include rules & safety on the list) ਀        戀氀椀渀搀 洀愀渀✀猀 戀氀甀昀昀ഊ bowling ਀        猀漀渀最 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 ⠀琀漀 戀攀 瀀攀爀昀漀爀洀攀搀 愀琀 昀攀愀猀琀 椀昀 攀渀漀甀最栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀⤀ഊ heraldry (how to design a device, rules etc.) ਀        猀瀀椀渀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 眀攀愀瘀椀渀最 ☀ 搀礀椀渀最 ⠀最漀椀渀最 琀栀爀甀 猀琀攀瀀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 眀漀漀氀 昀爀漀洀 爀愀眀 ഊ to finished clothing) ਀圀栀愀琀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 搀漀 椀猀 愀爀爀愀渀最攀 猀栀漀爀琀 ㄀⼀㈀ 栀爀 ⴀ ㄀ 栀爀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 ഊspread the work load around our group as well as catching the parents as ਀琀栀攀礀 搀爀漀瀀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 漀昀昀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 猀椀最渀 琀椀洀攀 猀氀漀琀猀⸀ഊ __ ਀尀             ⼀ഊ \\\' , / / Tatiana Dieugarde ਀  尀尀尀⼀⼀Ⰰ   开⼀ ⼀⼀Ⰰ       匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 匀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 匀琀漀渀攀猀ഊ \_-//' / //<, Kingdom of Calontir ਀     尀 ⼀⼀⼀  㰀⼀⼀✀        猀眀愀爀搀　㈀ 愀琀 戀椀最挀愀琀⸀洀椀猀猀漀甀爀椀⸀攀搀甀ഊ / >> \\\'__/_ ਀     ⼀Ⰰ⤀ⴀ帀㸀㸀 开尀✀ 尀尀尀ഊ (/ \\ //\\ ਀          ⼀⼀ ⼀⼀尀尀尀尀ഊ ((' ((' ਀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: CHRISTINE_McGLOTHLIN at sagepub.COM (CHRISTINE_McGLOTHLIN) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Children at Events ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㈀ 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㘀㨀㐀㠀㨀㔀㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊ ਀刀攀最愀爀搀椀渀最 䤀搀攀渀琀椀昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 愀琀 䰀愀爀最攀 䔀瘀攀渀琀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀㸀 䤀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀 栀攀氀瀀 椀昀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 甀猀攀搀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀⸀  䴀愀欀攀 琀栀攀ഊ>> child a tabard of the father's arms with the appropriate mark of ਀㸀㸀 挀愀搀攀渀挀礀⸀  䴀愀欀攀 愀 戀愀渀渀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀愀琀栀攀爀✀猀 愀爀洀猀 琀漀 栀愀渀最 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀⸀ഊ>> If the child gets separated, the finder can match tabard to banner ਀㸀㸀 愀渀搀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 栀椀洀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊ>> troll first. ਀㸀 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 氀漀漀猀攀猀 攀昀昀攀挀椀攀渀挀礀 愀猀ഊ> the size of the group grows... Imagine trying to find a single tent ਀㸀 愀琀 倀攀渀猀椀挀 眀栀攀渀 愀氀氀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 最漀 漀渀 椀猀 琀栀攀 琀愀戀愀爀搀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀ഊ> the general area that the parents are camping in from troll, and ਀㸀 琀栀攀渀 洀愀琀挀栀 戀愀渀渀攀爀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 眀漀爀欀 椀渀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀氀氀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀猀ഊ ਀䠀愀瘀椀渀最 戀攀攀渀 琀漀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀 氀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀Ⰰ 椀渀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀 琀栀椀猀ഊyear with my lord and his two children (ages 4 & 6), I made each a ਀戀攀氀琀 愀渀搀 瀀漀甀挀栀⸀  䤀渀猀椀搀攀 眀愀猀 愀 ∀氀愀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀∀ 挀愀爀搀 ⠀瀀氀愀挀攀搀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 愀ഊplastic cover) that introduced them: "My name is Nicolas. I am ਀挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀㨀 㰀昀愀琀栀攀爀✀猀 昀甀氀氀 匀䌀䄀 渀愀洀攀 ☀ 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 渀愀洀攀 ⴀ 渀攀砀琀 琀漀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最ഊof his shield device> and (suggesting under-six children not attend Pennsic) (paraphrased for bandwidth) ਀㸀 㸀 䌀愀洀瀀 䜀爀愀渀搀洀愀 椀猀 愀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 瀀氀愀挀攀 琀漀 猀瀀攀渀搀 愀 眀攀攀欀 瀀氀甀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ഊ> > summer! ਀㸀 㸀 ഊ> > Orianna ਀ഊAlizaunde - ਀ഊI apologize if you read that I was suggesting children under six not ਀愀琀琀攀渀搀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀  䤀 愀洀 瘀攀爀礀 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀爀攀 愀 瀀愀爀琀ഊof the SCA and a part of Pennsic. I was simply noting (I think, since ਀䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 瀀漀猀琀⤀ 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 洀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 挀愀猀攀Ⰰ 眀攀ഊelected to not bring our daughter until she turned six (it was actually ਀愀 挀愀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 渀漀爀洀愀氀 愀爀爀愀渀最攀洀攀渀琀猀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 琀栀愀琀 礀攀愀爀 猀漀ഊwe decided to see how well Pennsic went with her there.) ਀ഊI give parents a lot of credit for bringing small children (*not smalls!* ਀猀栀甀搀搀攀爀⤀ 琀漀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀  䤀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 愀洀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 琀漀ഊdeal well with it and I recognize that in myself. ਀ഊ> Respected friend: ਀㸀 ऀ䘀椀爀猀琀㨀 䤀 开猀攀氀氀开 猀洀愀氀氀猀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀ ⠀䰀愀搀椀攀猀✀ 挀氀漀甀琀猀Ⰰ 瀀甀爀攀 氀椀渀攀渀Ⰰഊ> and Italian Renaissance men's undershorts, linen/cotton.) ਀㸀 ऀ匀攀挀漀渀搀 㨀 圀栀愀琀 眀漀爀欀猀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀 椀猀 最爀攀愀琀⸀⸀⸀ 昀漀爀 礀漀甀⸀ 䈀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀渀✀琀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最ഊ> resembling the only way for a parent to enjoy Pennsic. My son's been to ਀㸀 攀瘀攀爀礀 眀愀爀 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 眀愀猀 猀攀瘀攀渀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 最漀渀攀Ⰰ 开攀砀挀攀瀀琀开 琀栀攀 漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀搀 栀椀猀ഊ> running away from summer camp. He went to "Camp Auntie" that year, and knew ਀㸀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀氀礀 眀攀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 眀愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀甀渀椀猀栀攀搀㬀 䤀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 栀攀 氀愀琀攀爀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 椀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ഊ> counsellors the kid he'd run with, because the boy was planning to try again ਀㸀 愀渀搀 䄀氀攀砀 眀愀猀 ⠀䤀 焀甀漀琀攀⤀ ∀愀昀爀愀椀搀 椀昀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 䤀 洀椀最栀琀 渀攀瘀攀爀 最攀琀 琀漀 愀渀 䔀瘀攀渀琀 ഊ> again". ਀ഊYes, my husband and I consider ourselves extremely fortunate to have two sets ਀漀昀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 愀渀搀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 最椀爀氀猀 昀漀爀 愀渀 攀砀琀攀渀搀攀搀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊEven with attending Pennsic, both girls get an opportunity to spend some time ਀搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀椀爀 最爀愀渀搀瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀⸀  䴀礀 猀甀洀洀攀爀猀 愀琀 洀礀 最爀愀渀搀瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀✀ 昀愀爀洀ഊwas some of the best memories I have and I hope to give the girls the same ਀漀瀀瀀漀爀琀甀渀椀琀礀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 洀愀渀礀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀渀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 洀礀 搀攀猀椀爀攀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰഊwhatever the circumstances of the family, that both the parent(s) and the ਀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 琀椀洀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 ऀ匀漀洀攀 欀椀搀猀 挀愀渀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 昀椀渀攀 愀琀 琀眀漀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 ∀欀椀搀猀∀ 愀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀 ഊ> danger to themselves and others at twenty. And some mothers have mothers ਀㸀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 琀爀甀猀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 搀漀最 琀栀攀礀 栀愀琀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 昀漀氀欀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 ഊ> who are not parents, who are forming their opinions of "The One True ਀㸀 倀愀琀栀∀ ⠀吀䴀⤀ 昀爀漀洀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 爀攀愀搀 栀攀爀攀⸀ 倀氀攀愀猀攀 戀攀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最椀渀最 ഊ> them to think kids don't belong at Pennsic... ਀㸀 ഊ ਀䤀✀洀 猀漀爀爀礀 椀昀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 椀洀瀀氀椀攀搀 椀渀 洀礀 瀀漀猀琀⸀  䤀渀 渀漀 眀愀礀 搀漀 䤀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 ഊdiscourage children from attending Pennsic - in fact, I've sat in on Pennsic ਀挀漀甀渀挀椀氀 洀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 愀爀最甀攀搀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 瀀漀氀椀挀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 昀攀氀琀ഊwere anti-children at Pennsic. Children are a part of life and a part ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀 爀椀最栀琀 琀漀 戀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀  䴀礀 漀渀氀礀 搀攀猀椀爀攀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊthose who do bring their children to Pennsic consider the environment ਀琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 椀渀 昀漀爀 愀渀 攀砀琀攀渀搀攀搀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀ഊand take all necessary precautions to ensure that their children ਀栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀愀昀攀Ⰰ 昀甀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀攀愀氀琀栀礀 圀愀爀⸀ ഊ ਀㸀                                 ⠀䘀爀椀攀渀搀⤀ 䠀漀渀漀甀爀 䠀漀爀渀攀ⴀ䨀愀爀甀欀 刀⸀匀⸀䘀⸀ ഊ> Alizaunde, Demoiselle de Bregeuf C.O.L. SCA ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀攀猀最 愀琀 倀刀伀䈀䰀䔀䴀开圀䤀吀䠀开䤀一䔀圀匀开䜀䄀吀䔀圀䄀夀开䘀䤀䰀䔀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䨀⸀ 匀稀攀渀琀ⴀ䜀礀漀爀最礀椀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 猀瀀愀挀攀ഊDate: 22 Jul 1995 13:00:05 GMT ਀ഊDria Chamberlin (Talitha at vonkopke.demon.co.uk) wrote: ਀嬀爀攀昀漀爀洀愀琀琀攀搀 琀漀 昀椀琀 洀礀 渀攀眀猀爀攀愀搀攀爀 ⴀⴀ 䄀爀瀀愀搀崀ഊ ਀㨀 伀渀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 昀漀爀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 漀挀挀甀瀀椀攀搀Ⰰഊ: entertained and feeling useful is to have an adult sketch out a ਀㨀 ∀猀挀爀漀氀氀∀ 漀渀 愀 䰀䄀刀䜀䔀 ⠀㌀✀砀㐀✀㼀㼀㼀⤀ 猀栀攀攀琀 漀昀 瀀漀猀琀攀爀戀漀愀爀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀漀ഊ: allow the children to fill in the illumination. ਀ഊAt a recent East Kingdom Royal Progress, the children spent time ਀挀漀氀漀爀椀渀最 椀渀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 搀攀猀椀最渀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 挀甀琀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 琀漀ഊsuch a "scroll" for the King and Queen. When the scroll was ਀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 吀栀攀椀爀 䴀愀樀攀猀琀椀攀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最 䌀漀甀爀琀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀ഊthe event were called into the Royal Presence. The result ਀眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀眀攀攀琀攀猀琀Ⰰ 昀甀渀渀椀攀猀琀 琀栀椀渀最猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 椀渀 愀 䌀漀甀爀琀⸀ഊAlthough some of the children were too young to understand what ਀眀愀猀 最漀椀渀最 漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 愀猀猀攀洀戀氀攀搀 挀爀漀眀搀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀ഊvery highly of the proceedings, and so they as well enjoyed the ਀洀漀洀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 猀漀洀攀 琀椀洀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀 昀漀爀最攀琀 琀栀攀 氀漀漀欀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀攀 漀昀 愀ഊfriend who ran up to me from some distance and asked, in a state ਀漀昀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀愀戀氀攀 挀漀渀昀甀猀椀漀渀Ⰰ ∀⨀圀栀愀琀⨀ 椀猀 洀礀 琀漀搀搀氀攀爀 搀漀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊRoyal Presence?" :-) ਀ഊWe take pride because we adults still love to play. How ਀椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 椀琀 椀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 昀甀渀 椀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 甀猀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 爀漀漀洀ഊin our Game for our children to play as well! ਀Ⰰ  ⰀഊArpad ਀ⴀⴀⴀ                                                                Ⰰ   Ⰰ  ⰀഊDave Szent-Gyorgyi Kolozsvari Arpad ਀搀愀瘀攀猀最 愀琀 渀攀琀愀砀猀⸀挀漀洀                䈀栀愀欀愀椀氀 ☀ 䠀愀爀琀猀栀漀爀渀ⴀ搀愀氀攀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 匀䌀䄀ഊ"We HAVE to teach the net Sable, a trident between ਀ 琀漀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 搀椀愀挀爀椀琀椀挀愀氀猀℀∀                      琀眀漀 栀椀瀀瀀漀挀愀洀瀀椀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀愀渀琀 伀爀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: sandradodd at aol.com (SandraDodd) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Families in SCA ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㐀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㈀㈀㨀㔀㔀㨀㄀㠀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ ਀㰀㰀匀漀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀愀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀 椀猀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊIf you have children, and wish to remain active in the SCA, talk and work ਀眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 䬀䴀漀䌀 愀渀搀 氀漀挀愀氀 䴀漀䌀⸀  吀栀攀礀 渀攀攀搀 琀栀攀 椀洀瀀甀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀ഊand improve any program for your children.>> ਀ഊI rarely put my kids in children's activities and only once did I fail to ਀搀漀 愀 猀琀椀渀琀 ⠀愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 琀爀椀攀搀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀猀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 戀甀猀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀漀漀ഊmany activities), and once my apprentice covered for me. I suppose some ਀欀椀搀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 戀甀琀 洀椀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 昀漀爀ഊmore than an hour or so at a time, and children's activities coordinators ਀漀昀琀攀渀 昀爀漀眀渀 漀渀 欀椀搀猀 搀爀漀瀀瀀椀渀最 椀渀 愀渀搀 漀甀琀 愀琀 眀椀氀氀⸀  ഊ ਀圀攀✀瘀攀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 琀愀欀攀渀 漀甀爀 欀椀搀猀 漀爀 琀愀欀攀渀 琀甀爀渀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀⸀  䄀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀ഊbooks that made a big different in my thinking were _The Continuum ਀䌀漀渀挀攀瀀琀开 愀渀搀 开吀栀攀 䘀愀洀椀氀礀 䈀攀搀开⸀  圀椀琀栀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 愀琀琀愀挀栀洀攀渀琀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀椀渀最 愀琀ഊwork in our mundane lives, we just tend not to put our kids in "children's ਀愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀⸀∀    伀甀爀 漀氀搀攀猀琀 ⠀渀椀渀攀⤀ 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀渀最攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀ഊactivities at an event last Spring and received praise and attention for ਀栀椀猀 最攀渀琀氀攀渀攀猀猀 愀渀搀 瀀愀琀椀攀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀漀搀搀氀攀爀猀㬀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 栀攀 栀愀猀 愀 琀栀爀攀攀ⴀ礀攀愀爀ⴀ漀氀搀ഊsister and therefor some experience. ਀ഊEach event and each situation is different. I wish more parents would ਀栀攀氀瀀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 眀栀攀渀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 眀椀猀栀 琀栀漀猀攀ഊrunning children's activities would refrain from seeing "loose kids" as ਀琀爀甀愀渀琀猀⸀  䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 戀攀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀ⴀⴀ椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 戀攀ഊa dump ground. Some children prefer to be with adults. Some prefer to ਀瀀氀愀礀 椀渀 挀愀洀瀀 焀甀椀攀琀氀礀⸀  匀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀椀琀攀猀 愀爀攀 猀甀挀栀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 猀愀昀攀 琀漀ഊwander into the mountains (meaning a mile-long hike up a logging road or ਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀漀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 欀椀搀猀 椀琀✀猀 愀 栀甀最攀 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀⤀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀ഊthere's a single ideal or a simple solution. ਀ഊAElflaed, mother of three baby Gunwaldts ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: ojid.wbst845 at xerox.com (Orilee Ireland-Delfs) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀 椀渀 匀䌀䄀ഊOrganization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 㘀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㈀　㨀㌀㐀㨀㈀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀倀䈀愀爀爀攀琀漀─䈀甀猀䄀昀昀─䤀唀匀䈀 愀琀 瘀椀渀攀猀⸀椀甀猀戀⸀䔀䐀唀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> Being a fairly new and active mother, I was wondering how other parents who ਀㸀 眀椀猀栀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀猀 琀爀攀愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 匀䌀䄀 氀椀昀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 匀漀 昀愀爀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 栀攀氀瀀 漀昀 愀 瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 挀爀椀戀 昀漀爀 渀愀瀀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀 洀漀洀猀 ഊ> with young ones, I have been doing OK. ਀㸀 ഊ> Any advice for later on, she will only be 18 months so long. ਀㸀 ഊ> Thank you. ਀㸀 䰀愀搀礀 䤀猀愀戀攀氀 䴀漀漀渀猀搀愀最栀琀攀爀ഊ> ਀匀琀愀爀琀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀渀最 ∀瀀攀爀椀漀搀∀ 琀漀礀猀 ⠀猀漀昀琀 搀漀氀氀猀Ⰰ 眀漀漀搀攀渀 挀栀愀爀愀挀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 戀氀漀挀欀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀⤀ഊthat are age appropriate and keep them in a container of some kind (we have ਀愀 氀椀搀搀攀搀 眀漀漀搀攀渀 戀漀砀Ⰰ 漀琀栀攀爀猀 甀猀攀 戀愀猀欀攀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 栀愀渀搀氀攀猀⤀Ⰰ 瀀氀甀猀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 戀氀愀渀欀攀琀 漀爀 ഊquilt that can be on the floor and can get dirty and wash fairly easily. Take ਀琀栀攀猀攀 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀⸀ഊ ਀倀愀挀欀 猀渀愀挀欀猀 ⠀猀琀爀椀渀最 挀栀攀攀猀攀Ⰰ 挀爀愀挀欀攀爀猀Ⰰ 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 礀漀甀⤀ 瀀氀甀猀 樀甀椀挀攀 戀漀砀攀猀ഊand a small silver or pewter cup (the silver baby cups with the plastic top ਀昀漀爀 猀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 漀甀琀 漀昀 椀猀 渀椀挀攀 昀漀爀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀猀⤀⸀  䔀瘀愀氀甀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀 愀渀渀漀甀渀挀攀洀攀渀琀ഊto determine if there will be space for children to play, when the feast may or ਀洀愀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 ⠀攀瘀攀渀琀猀 ⴀ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 ⴀ 眀椀琀栀 愀 氀愀琀攀 愀昀琀攀爀渀漀漀渀 ⠀㔀椀猀栀⤀ഊcourt usually don't serve dinner until too late for little ones.) If you want ਀琀漀 攀愀琀 漀渀 戀漀愀爀搀Ⰰ 戀爀椀渀最 昀漀漀搀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 猀漀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 栀攀爀 眀愀椀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀 戀爀椀渀最 戀攀搀搀椀渀最 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 猀漀爀琀 ⠀眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀栀攀攀瀀 猀欀椀渀 愀渀搀 愀 戀氀愀渀欀攀琀 漀爀 挀氀漀愀欀⤀ഊfor afternoon naps. Find an out of the way spot (sometimes under a table works ਀眀攀氀氀 ⴀ 琀栀攀礀 眀漀渀✀琀 最攀琀 猀琀攀瀀瀀攀搀 漀渀℀⤀ 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀 琀漀 渀愀瀀⸀ഊ ਀䈀攀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀搀 昀漀爀 愀 氀漀渀最 搀愀礀℀  䜀攀琀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 琀漀 琀爀愀搀攀ഊoff watching the kids play (esp. if you have several in the same age group) or ਀琀漀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 猀椀琀 愀渀搀 挀栀愀琀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀猀 瀀氀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀爀礀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 愀猀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀挀栀攀搀甀氀攀 愀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 戀攀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀搀 昀漀爀 欀椀搀猀ഊwho are too tired by the end of the day, and be patient. ਀ഊAs the children get older, try to find activities within the SCA that they ਀挀愀渀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀攀 椀渀⸀  䘀椀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 昀漀氀欀猀 ⴀ 愀渀搀 琀攀攀渀愀最攀爀猀 愀爀攀 椀搀攀愀氀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 ⴀഊwho are interested and helpful and would like to spend some time with your ਀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀  夀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 愀氀猀漀 猀攀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 礀漀甀渀最 氀漀爀搀 漀爀 氀愀搀礀 眀栀漀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊwilling to travel to events with you to help with the children in exchange for ਀礀漀甀 瀀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 眀愀礀⸀  吀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀 椀渀 眀愀琀挀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 猀漀 礀漀甀ഊcan get changed or use the facilities or just take a break to have a chat with ਀愀渀 愀搀甀氀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 最漀 琀漀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀 猀漀 漀昀琀攀渀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 ⴀ 攀椀琀栀攀爀ഊhire a trustworthy babysitter for the weekend or see if they can stay with ਀最爀愀渀搀洀愀 漀爀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀欀攀 挀氀漀琀栀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 眀愀猀栀愀戀氀攀℀  圀栀椀氀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 最椀爀氀猀 氀漀漀欀 愀搀漀爀愀戀氀攀 椀渀 搀爀攀猀猀攀猀ⰀഊI found that - esp. at the crawling to walking stage (until about 4) - tunics ਀愀渀搀 瀀愀渀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 洀甀挀栀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 琀漀 瀀氀愀礀 椀渀⸀ഊ ਀刀攀㬀 琀栀攀 䴀椀渀椀猀琀攀爀 漀昀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 ⴀ 愀 琀漀瀀椀挀 昀漀爀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀漀猀琀℀ഊOrianna ਀洀漀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 ㈀ ⴀ 㐀 礀爀猀 愀渀搀 㠀 礀爀猀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀ഊabout 6 weeks old. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀愀爀氀攀渀愀 愀琀 椀渀搀椀爀攀挀琀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䴀愀爀氀攀渀愀 䴀礀最愀琀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀 椀渀 匀䌀䄀ഊDate: Sat, 7 Oct 95 16:09:13 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀攀爀爀愀 䌀漀洀洀甀渀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀ഊ ਀㸀䈀攀椀渀最 愀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 渀攀眀 愀渀搀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 洀漀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 栀漀眀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 眀栀漀 ഊ>wish to keep their children with them on the weekends treat their SCA life. ਀㸀ഊHi, ਀䤀 愀洀 琀栀攀 洀漀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀爀攀攀⸀  㐀 礀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 洀漀猀⸀ ☀ 㘀 洀漀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀猀 昀甀氀氀 戀甀琀 䤀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 琀椀洀攀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀ഊand my kids do too. ਀ഊFirst of all I have a very wonderful husband. ਀ഊSecond, we have a large pavillion, big firepit, and always have a big ਀攀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀⸀  吀栀椀猀 栀攀氀瀀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 洀漀爀攀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀椀渀最 愀琀 漀甀爀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀⸀ ഊWe are very inviting and participate in other things at events during the ਀搀愀礀⸀  䈀甀琀ഊusually have a large bardic at night that keeps us close to the pavillion ਀愀渀搀 戀爀椀渀最猀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 昀甀渀 琀漀 漀甀爀 攀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀⸀  洀礀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀ഊand I take turns venturing out at night. Being very gracious and attentive ਀栀漀猀琀猀 椀猀 愀氀氀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䠀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 氀愀爀最攀 愀渀搀 瘀愀爀椀攀搀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 戀漀砀 椀猀 攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀 昀漀爀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最ഊthe kids interested and involved. Also having enough of everything for your ਀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀氀愀礀洀愀琀攀猀 琀漀漀⸀  䌀爀愀昀琀猀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 洀愀猀欀洀愀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 瀀甀瀀瀀攀琀ഊmaking, paper and glue for anything, crayons, etc. are great projects as ਀眀攀氀氀 愀猀 栀漀甀爀猀 漀昀 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀洀攀渀琀 昀漀爀 愀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀圀攀 一䔀嘀䔀刀 氀攀琀 漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 最漀 甀渀猀甀瀀攀爀瘀椀猀攀搀⸀  圀栀攀琀栀攀爀 眀攀 愀爀攀 琀爀愀搀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊfamilies or have others children at our encampment. If our children wish ਀琀漀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 眀攀 䄀䰀圀䄀夀匀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀攀ഊin some way too. This helps to eleviate the person in charge and is always ਀最爀攀愀琀氀礀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀搀 椀昀 渀漀琀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀愀欀攀渀 愀 最爀漀甀瀀 漀昀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 漀渀 栀椀欀攀猀 ⠀ ㄀ 愀琀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀搀 漀渀攀ഊat the tail of the group) This is always fun. ਀ഊIt really helps that good behavior and chivalry is instilled in most children ਀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 昀甀渀 琀漀漀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 愀氀猀漀 栀攀氀瀀猀 昀漀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 挀漀漀爀搀椀渀愀琀攀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 愀渀搀 戀攀 栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 愀猀 ഊpossible. Volunteering to do something simple for another is never hard ਀愀渀搀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 爀攀琀甀爀渀攀搀 琀栀爀攀攀昀漀氀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀  ഊ ਀䠀漀瀀攀 琀栀椀猀 栀攀氀瀀猀⸀ഊ ਀䌀栀攀攀爀猀℀ഊCylan Rhiannon ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀爀椀猀开䠀愀爀琀氀攀礀 愀琀 戀攀渀搀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀戀漀甀琀 琀漀 戀攀 渀攀眀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀ഊDate: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:01:01 +1600 ਀ഊCongratulations from out here in An Tir, also! ਀ഊTwo bits of practical advice that we didn't give enough consideration ਀愀琀 漀甀爀 昀椀爀猀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 漀甀爀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀㄀⤀ 䴀漀戀椀氀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 渀攀攀搀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀⼀搀攀瘀椀挀攀 琀漀 挀漀渀猀琀爀愀椀渀 琀栀攀洀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 ഊtent gets put up. While our Mongolian yurt makes an admirable babygate ਀眀栀攀渀 椀琀✀猀 甀瀀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 瀀栀愀猀攀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀眀欀眀愀爀搀 愀渀搀 搀漀眀渀爀椀最栀琀 ഊdangerous for children to be near. (Falling rafters, wall pieces, ਀攀琀挀⸀⤀ഊ ਀㈀⤀ 一椀最栀琀琀椀洀攀 椀猀 挀漀氀搀⸀ 䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀椀猀 猀漀甀渀搀猀 猀攀氀昀 攀砀瀀氀愀渀椀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀甀爀 ഊfirst event, we forgot how cold the tent is /outside/ of our little ਀瀀椀氀攀 漀昀 猀氀攀攀瀀椀渀最 爀漀戀攀猀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀琀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀最攀 漀昀 ഊgetting up several times a night (And ours did at events long after ਀猀栀攀 眀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 搀漀椀渀最 椀琀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀 漀昀 礀漀甀爀 琀攀渀琀 椀猀 愀渀 椀挀礀 ഊplace to try to feed/change your little one. Safe efficient heating ਀洀愀礀 戀攀 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀Ⰰ 挀漀洀戀椀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 眀愀氀氀椀渀最 漀昀昀 愀 猀氀攀攀瀀椀渀最 愀爀攀愀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 ഊinterior, if your tent is large. ਀ഊI'm sure we'll find many more as we travel here and there, but these ਀眀攀爀攀 漀甀爀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀眀漀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀伀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀礀 戀爀椀氀氀椀愀渀琀 䰀漀爀搀䠀甀猀戀愀渀搀 渀漀琀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 戀攀猀琀 琀漀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 ഊbefore hand that you will /not/ be able to do everything you did ਀眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰ 爀攀最愀爀搀氀攀猀猀 漀昀 栀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 栀攀氀瀀 礀漀甀 戀爀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀⸀ 䌀甀琀 漀甀琀 ഊthe things that are not /so/ important to you, right to start with, ਀愀渀搀 愀爀爀愀渀最攀 琀漀 琀爀愀搀攀 琀椀洀攀 眀椀琀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 匀䌀䄀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 礀漀甀 琀爀甀猀琀Ⰰ 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 ഊtime to do the things you really /need/ to do without little one's ਀栀攀氀瀀⸀  䌀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 愀搀漀瀀琀椀渀最 愀 ⼀琀爀甀猀琀眀漀爀琀栀礀⼀ 眀愀爀搀Ⰰ 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 ഊtake down, and maybe babysit one night. We've tried this in exchange ਀昀漀爀 猀椀琀攀 昀攀攀 愀渀搀 昀漀漀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 眀攀氀氀⸀ ⠀䐀漀渀✀琀 戀攀 ഊsurprised when your ward runs off and gets married, though. We were.) ਀ഊGood luck! ਀䨀攀猀猀愀洀礀渀 ☀ 䔀氀攀爀椀挀Ⰰഊproud parents of Autumn Rose ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀搀昀爀 愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 戀愀戀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀洀愀氀氀猀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀ഊDate: 8 May 1996 04:49:15 GMT ਀ഊSJB wrote: ਀㸀 䄀 栀漀甀猀攀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 栀愀猀 挀漀洀攀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 愀 洀愀爀瘀攀氀漀甀猀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 欀椀搀猀⸀ഊ> She constructed a small tent that has a typical canvas top but ਀㸀 猀琀爀漀渀最 洀攀猀栀 猀椀搀攀猀⸀  ⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀漀渀最 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 戀甀琀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 洀漀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀椀渀攀猀Ⰰ 洀礀 猀焀甀椀爀攀 䐀愀椀渀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀攀搀Ⰰഊfor a Pennsic at which we and they had one small child each, a small ਀瘀椀欀椀渀最 琀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀攀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 栀漀爀椀稀漀渀琀愀氀 爀愀椀氀猀 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀 漀昀 昀爀漀渀琀 愀渀搀 戀愀挀欀ഊdoors. It worked as a playpen--the kids couldn't get out and the wind blew through it. ਀ഊI did a fairly simple peg-together crib about the same time; I could ਀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀 愀 搀椀愀最爀愀洀 椀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 ⠀戀甀琀 渀漀琀 愀渀 䄀匀䌀䤀䤀ഊdiagram--maybe put it on my web page). ਀ഊWhat reasonably period toys have people had success with? Our kids like ਀琀栀攀椀爀 栀漀戀戀礀 栀漀爀猀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 瀀氀愀礀 洀甀挀栀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀氀漀琀栀 戀愀氀氀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ-- ਀搀搀昀爀 愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Purple ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Books on Medieval kids (was Re: What is wrong with children) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㄀ 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㈀㈀㨀　㌀㨀㈀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Indiana University, Bloomington ਀ഊianengle at freenet.columbus.oh.us (Ian Engle/Sion) wrote: ਀㸀       䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䠀愀渀愀眀愀氀琀 搀椀搀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 猀琀甀搀礀 漀渀挀攀⸀  䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀ഊ> attempting to put together what growing up as a peasant in Medieval ਀㸀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 眀愀猀 氀椀欀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀栀攀 戀愀猀攀搀 椀琀 漀渀 挀漀爀漀渀攀爀猀✀ 爀攀瀀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 栀漀眀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊ> died, and what they were doing when they died. ਀ഊHanawalt has two books out that deal at least in part with growing up ਀椀渀 洀攀搀⸀ 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀㨀 开吀栀攀 吀椀攀猀 吀栀愀琀 䈀漀甀渀搀开 愀渀搀 开䜀爀漀眀椀渀最 唀瀀 椀渀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ഊLondon_. The latter is in print in paper from Oxford U. Pr., but I ਀搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀攀 昀漀爀洀攀爀 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 椀渀 瀀爀椀渀琀⸀ 䠀愀渀愀眀愀氀琀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 愀 戀漀漀欀ഊon crime in med. England whose title I can't remember ottomh; I ਀栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 猀攀攀渀 椀琀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 猀栀攀 搀攀愀氀猀 眀椀琀栀 樀甀瘀攀渀椀氀攀 椀猀猀甀攀猀 愀琀 愀氀氀⸀ 䈀漀琀栀ഊof the above are definitely recommended. ਀ഊI remember one incident from the former, about a little girl who ਀搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 愀 渀愀瀀 椀渀 琀栀攀 爀漀愀搀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 爀甀渀 漀瘀攀爀 戀礀 愀 栀漀爀猀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䄀爀琀椀攀 匀愀洀瀀氀愀猀欀椀             嘀氀愀搀 琀栀攀 倀甀爀瀀氀攀ഊIndiana U. School of Music Myrkfaelinn Midrealm Accts. Rep. ਀愀猀愀洀瀀氀愀猀 愀琀 椀渀搀椀愀渀愀⸀攀搀甀        匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 䴀礀渀礀搀搀 匀攀爀攀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Pat McGregor ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: minors at events, problems encountered at 30 Year ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㈀㨀㔀㈀㨀㌀㔀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊOrganization: Intel IT Technical Publications ਀ഊGreetings from siobhan! ਀ഊColin Yemm wrote: ਀㸀 ഊ> Luxuiel (jlv at halcyon.com) wrote: ਀㸀 㨀 倀愀琀 䴀挀䜀爀攀最漀爀 㰀瀀愀琀爀椀挀椀愀堀开伀开䴀挀䜀爀攀最漀爀 愀琀 挀挀洀⸀昀洀⸀椀渀琀攀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀 㨀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 ㄀　 搀愀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  䤀 栀愀搀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 洀甀氀琀椀瀀愀爀琀 昀漀爀洀猀Ⰰഊ> : but was told that hospitals would only accept the original. Sorry ਀㸀 㨀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 栀愀猀猀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀䨀甀猀琀 昀漀爀 愀 挀氀愀爀椀琀礀 渀漀琀攀㨀 䰀甀砀甀椀攀氀 ⠀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀ഊmultipart forms, in response to something I had written. ਀ ഊ> The paperwork can always FOLLOW the patient, depending on severity . . ਀㸀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 昀甀琀甀爀攀 猀甀挀栀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 昀漀爀洀猀 ഊ> ALL minors be kept at the troll or with the medical info forms, where ਀㸀 挀愀渀 戀攀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 氀漀挀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 愀猀 漀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 愀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀椀氀攀ഊ> in the guardian's tent located in the back 40 (cause the guardian sure ਀㸀 椀猀渀✀琀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 氀攀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀✀猀 猀椀搀攀 琀漀 最漀 最攀琀 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ∀琀攀氀氀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊ> where it is" can cause more consternation/attitude/repercussions than ਀㸀 瀀甀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀漀爀洀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀爀愀氀 猀椀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀䨀甀猀琀 昀漀爀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀✀猀 猀愀欀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀漀爀洀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊminor's body 24 hrs a day while on site, whether their parent's were ਀琀栀攀爀攀 漀爀 渀漀琀⸀ 匀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 欀椀搀猀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 瀀椀渀渀愀戀氀攀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀猀 ⠀栀甀渀琀椀渀最 漀爀ഊfishing license cases can be pinned on the outside of undertunics ਀瀀爀攀琀琀礀 渀椀挀攀氀礀 愀渀搀 猀琀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 猀栀漀眀⤀Ⰰ 椀渀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀栀漀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀ഊin belt pouchs. At the beginning of _every_ Pied Piper/Page School ਀愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀 眀攀爀攀 挀栀攀挀欀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀愀瀀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀圀攀 愀氀猀漀 洀愀搀攀 攀砀琀爀愀 挀漀瀀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 最愀瘀攀 漀渀攀 攀愀挀栀 琀漀 攀瘀攀爀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀栀漀 眀愀猀ഊauthorized to consent to medical treatment in our absence. So not only ਀搀椀搀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀 栀愀瘀攀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 搀椀搀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀栀漀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 猀愀礀 礀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀爀攀最愀爀搀猀Ⰰഊ siobhan ਀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀ഊPatriciaX_O_McGregor at ccm.fm.intel.com ਀倀愀琀 䴀挀䜀爀攀最漀爀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: taram ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Medieval toys ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㜀㨀㌀㘀㨀　㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. ਀ഊPatsy Dunham wrote: ਀㸀ഊ> Good day all, I tried the "KS Toy history" thing and actually found ਀㸀 开吀漀礀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 愀最攀猀开 戀礀 䐀愀渀 䘀漀氀攀礀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㘀㈀Ⰰ 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀栀攀氀昀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 洀甀挀栀 ഊ> for illustrations but there is definitely history and references in ਀㸀 挀栀愀瀀琀攀爀猀 ㈀ⴀ㘀Ⰰ ㄀　ⴀ㄀㄀ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 愀 ഊ> 15th C. illustration of St Dorothy and the Christ Child riding a ਀㸀 栀漀戀戀礀栀漀爀猀攀⸀  䤀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀 愀 戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀 漀昀 ㌀ 瀀愀最攀猀 漀昀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 琀礀瀀攀⸀ഊ ਀䌀栀椀洀攀渀攀ഊ> chimenedes at aol.com (home) ਀ഊGreetings to all (again)! ਀ഊYes, I read that one. Very good. Unfortunately, my friend still has ਀洀礀 爀攀昀攀爀渀挀攀 戀椀渀搀攀爀 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 欀攀攀瀀 洀礀 瀀栀漀琀漀挀漀瀀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 ഊmentioned illustration triggered my memory of the book. In fact, I ਀琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 愀氀猀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 匀漀挀爀愀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 倀氀愀琀漀 愀氀猀漀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀 眀椀琀栀ഊwooden hobby-horses as children. I'm not too sure. So many books, so ਀氀椀琀琀氀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ ਀䈀甀琀 爀攀愀搀攀爀猀Ⰰ 倀䰀䔀䄀匀䔀 䬀䔀䔀倀 䤀一 䴀䤀一䐀Ⰰ 䴀䄀一夀 伀䘀 吀䠀䔀 ∀倀䔀刀䤀伀䐀∀ 吀伀夀匀 圀䔀刀䔀 一伀吀ഊEXCLUSIVELY FOR CHILDREN. Wasn't there a Sultan in the tale of Aladan ਀琀栀愀琀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 爀愀爀攀 愀渀搀 瀀爀椀稀攀搀 琀漀礀猀⸀  倀爀椀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 倀爀椀渀挀攀猀猀攀猀 愀渀搀 爀椀挀栀ഊmerchants children had some toys, but also lessons. Lower class and ਀猀攀爀昀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀愀礀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀琀椀挀欀Ⰰ 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 ഊdriftwood, rock and their imagination. ਀ഊLook in the adult section of libraries, under the 900 section (dewy) ਀昀漀爀 愀氀氀 猀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀漀礀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀攀猀⸀  䜀愀洀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀 愀搀甀氀琀猀Ⰰ ഊthe same for such "toys" as cup-and-balls, dice, etc. Many toys are ਀猀琀椀氀氀 戀漀甀最栀琀 昀漀爀 愀渀搀 戀礀 愀搀甀氀琀猀⸀  吀栀攀 倀爀椀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 倀爀椀渀挀攀猀猀 漀昀 䄀攀琀栀攀氀洀愀爀挀ഊ(sorry if I spelled that wrong) have a hobby-horse named "Horsikins". ਀匀漀 氀椀洀椀琀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀漀礀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀爀攀愀Ⰰ 眀椀氀氀 最攀琀ഊyou a very limited collection. Children were sometimes only small ਀愀搀甀氀琀猀㬀 琀栀攀礀 氀椀猀琀攀渀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 猀琀漀爀礀琀攀氀氀攀爀 愀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀㬀 琀栀攀礀ഊwatched the same fools and public executions; they played the same games. ਀吀栀攀礀 漀渀氀礀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 洀愀爀欀攀搀 琀栀攀洀 愀猀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 漀昀琀攀渀 攀渀漀甀最栀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊsize and they're imagination. ਀ഊIt's a shame that many children at SCA events aren't included. Many are ਀樀甀猀琀 氀攀昀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 眀栀椀洀猀 漀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀✀猀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 ∀䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 䄀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀∀ 椀渀ഊsome out-of-the-way corner, or sat down in some isolated place where they ਀猀椀琀 眀椀琀栀 最愀洀攀戀漀礀 漀爀 挀漀氀漀爀椀渀最 戀漀漀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 眀攀✀爀攀 爀攀ⴀ挀爀攀愀琀椀渀最 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀礀 愀爀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 渀漀琀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀 愀猀ഊthey were in medieval society. References: Marjorie Rowling's "Life ਀椀渀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 吀椀洀攀猀∀㬀 䨀漀猀攀瀀栀 ☀ 䘀爀愀渀挀攀猀 䜀椀攀猀✀ ∀䰀椀昀攀 椀渀 愀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䌀愀猀琀氀攀∀㬀ഊand "Life In a Medieval Village". Even though children are sparely ਀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 戀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 猀攀攀渀 愀猀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀漀挀椀愀氀ഊlife and not "Out of sight, Out of mind" or "Children Should be Seen; ਀一漀琀 䠀攀愀爀搀∀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀爀爀礀 椀昀 䤀 最漀琀 漀渀 洀礀 猀漀愀瀀戀漀砀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 最漀攀猀 栀愀渀搀ⴀ椀渀ⴀ栀愀渀搀ഊwith my merchanting efforts. ਀ഊ -- Seana Whitehawk ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀椀搀⸀爀愀稀氀攀爀 愀琀 瀀漀猀琀漀昀昀椀挀攀⸀眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䴀⸀ 刀愀稀氀攀爀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 渀漀椀猀攀ഊDate: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:35:11 GMT ਀ഊ"James M. Turner" wrote: ਀ഊ>Having just returned from the Great Northeastern War, having taken an 18 ਀㸀洀漀渀琀栀 漀氀搀 挀栀椀氀搀Ⰰ 䤀 洀甀猀琀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀 猀漀洀攀 搀椀猀洀愀礀 愀琀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀 愀渀礀 愀挀挀漀洀漀搀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ>for gentles who may have young children with them. We were lucky in that ਀㸀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 眀椀氀氀 猀氀攀攀瀀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀 挀愀渀渀漀渀 愀琀琀愀挀欀 漀渀挀攀 愀猀氀攀攀瀀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀ഊ>forced to come to the conclusion that camping events are designed almost ਀㸀攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 昀漀爀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀㄀⤀ 倀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 最攀琀 搀爀甀渀欀 愀渀搀 猀椀渀最 愀渀搀 搀爀甀洀 甀渀琀椀氀 搀愀眀渀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀㈀⤀ 倀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 挀愀渀 猀氀攀攀瀀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 猀椀渀最椀渀最 愀渀搀 搀爀甀洀洀椀渀最 甀渀琀椀氀 搀愀眀渀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀氀戀攀椀琀 渀漀渀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 渀漀椀猀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最ഊas it affects children: pink noise. ਀ഊFor anyone who doesn't mind something in their ears get ਀琀栀攀 挀栀攀愀瀀攀猀琀 ∀圀愀氀欀洀愀渀∀ 猀琀礀氀攀 爀愀搀椀漀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀猀琀ⴀ猀漀甀渀搀椀渀最Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀ഊcomfortable (this is a matter of personal preference) earphones. Jam the thing ਀琀漀 䄀䴀 漀渀 愀 戀氀愀渀欀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀挀礀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 搀漀眀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀瀀攀挀琀爀甀洀 㰀礀漀甀ഊmay have to fiddle, depending on location/weather/ionosphere> and crank up the ਀瘀漀氀甀洀攀 甀渀琀椀氀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 猀愀琀椀猀昀椀攀搀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 昀椀渀搀 愀 搀攀愀搀ⴀ渀漀椀猀攀 猀瀀漀琀Ⰰ 昀椀渀搀 愀ഊstandard SCAdian Electronics Engineer to damage the antenna to guarantee you ਀渀漀琀栀椀渀最 戀甀琀 愀 瀀攀愀挀攀昀甀氀 栀甀洀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 欀椀搀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 昀漀氀欀猀 眀栀漀 搀漀 渀漀琀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 椀渀⼀漀瘀攀爀 攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 愀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀ഊbattery-powered fan will do, either the kind they sell as a novelty item Now, let no one assume I am a prude. I visited several of the encampments ਀㸀愀渀搀 攀渀樀漀礀攀搀 琀栀攀 栀漀猀瀀椀琀愀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀漀猀琀猀⸀  䈀甀琀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀 愀渀礀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀ഊ>"quiet" area at the event, and the improbability (or perhaps, suicidal ਀㸀渀愀琀甀爀攀⤀ 漀昀 愀瀀瀀攀愀氀椀渀最 琀漀 猀琀漀渀攀ⴀ戀氀椀渀搀 搀爀甀渀欀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 焀甀椀攀琀Ⰰ 洀攀愀渀琀 琀栀愀琀ഊ>people with children were placed in a difficult situation. ਀ഊUnless one is in deep woods, or an area split by a hill or other natural sound ਀戀愀爀爀椀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 猀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀礀 眀椀氀氀 挀愀爀爀礀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀⸀ 䄀 氀愀爀最攀 匀䌀䄀 最愀琀栀攀爀椀渀最Ⰰഊor even a small one in a tight space is a noisy affair. White noise is ਀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 瀀愀爀琀礀 渀漀椀猀攀 昀漀爀 欀椀搀猀 眀栀漀 搀漀渀✀琀 氀椀欀攀 渀漀椀猀攀⸀ 䌀爀椀挀欀攀琀猀 礀漀甀ഊwon't get once they have children. Is the true focus of events to draw in a wide ਀㸀瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀漀 挀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 ∀瀀愀爀琀礀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀∀ 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 搀爀椀渀欀 愀渀搀ഊ>(perhaps) a bed partner? I appeal to future autocrats to take the needs of ਀㸀洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 眀椀琀栀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 ⠀眀栀漀 洀愀礀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀猀 眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀ഊ>enjoying your golden years) into account when planning space, and to be ਀㸀眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 攀渀昀漀爀挀攀 猀漀洀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 爀甀氀攀猀 漀昀 挀椀瘀椀氀椀琀礀 琀漀眀愀爀搀 漀渀攀✀猀 渀攀椀最栀戀漀爀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀夀椀琀稀栀愀欀 椀戀攀渀 夀漀猀栀甀愀ഊ>turner at blackbear.com ਀ഊCivility is good. Attempting to separate the sites of 24-hour renditions of ਀吀栀攀 䈀愀猀琀愀爀搀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 洀攀搀氀攀礀猀 漀昀 椀氀氀ⴀ瀀氀愀礀攀搀 戀愀最瀀椀瀀攀 昀愀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀ഊwhere little people like quiet are good, but doomed to failure. ਀ഊDavid M. Razler ਀搀愀瘀椀搀⸀爀愀稀氀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: david.razler at postoffice.worldnet.att.net (David M. Razler) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: "Goodwoman" ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　㌀㨀㔀㜀㨀㌀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀戀焀㘀㜀㘀 愀琀 琀漀爀昀爀攀攀⸀渀攀琀 ⠀䬀爀椀猀琀椀渀攀 䔀⸀ 䴀愀椀琀氀愀渀搀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>In another thread, Brian Maloney made the assertion that he would quicker ਀㸀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀攀爀洀 ∀最漀漀搀眀漀洀愀渀∀ 琀栀愀渀 ∀氀愀搀礀∀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䄀猀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 洀愀椀渀琀愀椀渀 愀 渀漀戀氀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 ഊ>"goodwoman". Unfortunately, I think that if Brian used it in reference ਀㸀琀漀 洀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 圀刀伀一䜀 椀搀攀愀⸀⸀⸀㨀ⴀ㸀ഊ> ਀㸀挀漀爀琀攀猀愀渀愀 栀漀渀攀猀琀愀ഊ>Ines Carmen Maria de Freitas ਀ഊWhen one does *not* know the social status of another, why not go a notch up ਀愀猀 愀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀琀攀猀礀⸀ 䤀  愀氀眀愀礀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 挀愀氀氀 漀瘀攀爀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 挀栀椀氀搀 愀猀 ∀礀漀甀渀最ഊmaster" or "young mistress" and, if they know enough to answer, they have ਀猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 猀栀漀眀渀 ⨀爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀⨀ 愀渀搀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀 眀攀氀氀ഊto a request that they do or do not do something causing grief or danger. ਀ഊ Aleksandr, Traveller ਀ഊDavid M. Razler ਀搀愀瘀椀搀⸀爀愀稀氀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: dentim at mail.myriad.net ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㤀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㈀㨀　　㨀㄀㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊTo: ansteorra at eden.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 欀椀搀猀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀ഊ ਀䤀 琀爀甀氀礀 眀椀猀栀 礀漀甀 氀甀挀欀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀渀搀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀℀  䌀愀洀瀀椀渀最 洀甀猀琀猀 愀爀攀㨀 愀 猀氀椀渀最ഊfor the baby, and bright identification for the older one. Take Tylenol for ਀洀甀猀挀氀攀 挀爀愀洀瀀猀 昀爀漀洀 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 戀愀戀礀 ⠀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀氀搀攀爀 漀渀攀 眀栀攀渀 猀栀攀 最攀琀猀ഊtired!). We camped with a 3.5 year old and an 18mo old...I don't know who ਀眀愀猀 洀漀爀攀 攀砀栀愀甀猀琀攀搀Ⰰ 洀礀 䰀漀爀搀 眀栀漀 昀漀甀最栀琀 昀漀爀 㔀 搀愀礀猀 愀琀 䜀甀氀昀 圀愀爀Ⰰ 漀爀 眀攀ഊ(proverbial we-I) who chased the kids! We also found the Happy Camper ਀⠀瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 瀀氀愀礀礀愀爀搀⤀ 椀洀洀攀渀猀攀氀礀 栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀 眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 栀愀搀 琀漀 樀甀猀琀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 搀漀眀渀℀ഊWe have a big problem with my youngest being anaphylactically allergic to ਀椀渀猀攀挀琀 猀琀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 戀椀琀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 眀攀 栀愀搀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 攀砀琀爀愀 瀀爀攀挀愀甀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀氀礀猀礀渀 䬀爀愀渀椀搀椀漀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Christa Fulton ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Hauling infants around an event ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㤀㨀㐀　㨀㈀㈀ 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䨀漀攀 䠀愀礀攀猀 㰀樀栀愀礀攀猀 愀琀 挀漀洀瀀甀猀攀爀瘀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>My lady just attended her first event along with our 14 month old son. We soon realized that not having the ਀㸀猀琀爀漀氀氀攀爀 眀愀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 ⠀椀攀Ⰰ 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最 栀椀洀 愀爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 挀栀愀猀椀渀最 愀昀琀攀爀 栀椀洀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 栀椀洀 搀漀眀渀 昀漀爀 渀愀瀀猀Ⰰ ഊ>etc). I would appreciate feedback on how others cope with toddlers at events. ਀㸀ഊ>Ulrich von Landstuhl ਀ഊYou said you need a stroller? ਀䜀攀琀 漀爀 洀愀欀攀 愀 眀漀漀搀攀渀 眀愀最漀渀⸀  䤀 爀攀挀漀洀攀渀琀 戀椀最 眀漀漀搀攀渀 眀栀攀攀氀猀⸀  吀栀攀 戀椀最攀爀 琀栀攀 氀攀猀猀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 栀漀氀攀猀⸀ 瀀甀琀 搀漀眀氀攀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀漀甀爀 挀漀爀渀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀最漀渀 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀 愀渀 愀眀渀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 攀瘀攀渀 猀椀搀攀 昀氀愀瀀猀 琀漀 ഊgive shade nomater the angle. If you hand build it I emagon you could make it well for carring all the little things that goses along with kids. ਀ഊLabhrainn ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㈀㨀㐀㘀㨀㐀　 ⴀ　㘀　　 ⠀䴀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: John or Fraya Davis ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Children's Program ਀ഊGreetings all MOAS and Ministers of Children! ਀ഊI've just finished the booklet for our children's program, The Order of the ਀圀愀爀搀℀℀℀  䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀瀀礀Ⰰ 猀攀渀搀 洀攀 礀漀甀爀 猀渀愀椀氀ഊmail address. I hope to get a copy out to as many MOAS as I can. The ਀渀漀渀ⴀ猀漀ⴀ甀瀀搀愀琀攀搀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 挀愀渀 戀攀 猀攀攀渀 愀琀 漀甀爀 眀攀戀猀椀琀攀㨀ഊhttp://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5059/youth.html ਀ഊIn service of the children, ਀ഊGillean Fhlaithmhail ਀⠀最椀氀ⴀ礀愀眀渀 氀愀栀ⴀ栀漀漀氀⤀ഊMOAS/Chronicler for the Incipient Shire of Ard Ruadh (St. George, Utah) of ਀䄀爀琀攀洀椀猀椀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Gretchen M Beck ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Hauling infants around an event ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ  㤀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㔀㨀　　㨀㈀㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA ਀ഊExcerpts from netnews.rec.org.sca: 9-Jun-97 Re: Hauling infants around ਀⸀⸀ 戀礀 匀栀愀渀渀漀渀 䴀漀礀攀猀 愀琀 氀愀洀愀爀⸀䌀漀氀漀 ഊ> Where did you find your sources? I would be really interesting in the ਀㸀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 猀甀挀栀 愀渀搀 椀琀攀洀 愀渀搀 椀琀猀 瀀氀愀挀攀 椀渀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 漀渀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䠀漀甀爀猀 漀昀 䌀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀 漀昀 䌀氀攀瘀攀猀ⴀⴀ琀栀攀ഊpicture of the Holy Family at home. ਀ഊtoodles, margaret ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 戀爀漀渀眀礀渀洀最渀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䈀爀漀渀眀礀渀洀最渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䠀愀甀氀椀渀最 椀渀昀愀渀琀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀ഊDate: 9 Jun 1997 21:12:54 GMT ਀ഊShannon Moyes writes: ਀㸀㨀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 猀栀攀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀猀 椀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀愀氀欀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⠀眀漀漀搀攀渀 漀渀攀猀 漀昀ഊ>: course). I have several examples of wooden walkers from the 16th c in Germany ਀㸀㨀 愀渀搀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 漀渀攀猀 栀愀搀 爀漀甀渀搀 猀漀氀椀搀 眀漀漀搀攀渀 戀愀氀氀猀 愀猀 昀攀攀琀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 ഊ>: they just slid around on the wood floors. But basically they were not that ਀㸀㨀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀爀漀洀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 眀愀氀欀攀爀猀 椀渀 挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀㨀 䨀甀氀椀愀渀渀愀ഊ>Where did you find your sources? I would be really interesting in the ਀㸀挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 猀甀挀栀 愀渀搀 椀琀攀洀 愀渀搀 椀琀猀 瀀氀愀挀攀 椀渀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀开䴀愀爀爀椀愀最攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䘀愀洀椀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀开Ⰰ 戀礀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 䨀漀猀攀瀀栀 䜀椀攀猀Ⰰഊhas a picture on the cover taken from the Book of Hours of Catherine of ਀䌀氀攀瘀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀漀眀猀 琀栀攀 戀愀戀礀 䨀攀猀甀猀 椀渀 愀渀 椀渀昀愀渀琀 眀愀氀欀攀爀 眀栀椀氀攀 䴀愀爀礀 眀攀愀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊJoseph planes a piece of wood. This is also shown and briefly discussed ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀瀀琀攀爀 漀渀 ∀吀栀攀 䰀愀琀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 倀攀愀猀愀渀琀 䘀愀洀椀氀礀㨀 ㄀㌀㔀　ⴀ㄀㔀　　∀⸀  䤀 挀愀渀✀琀ഊfind a date for Catherine of Cleves right now, but it should be in that ਀琀椀洀攀 昀爀愀洀攀⸀  吀栀攀 眀愀氀欀攀爀 椀猀 猀栀漀眀渀 愀猀 愀 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 挀甀戀椀挀 眀漀漀搀攀渀 昀爀愀洀攀Ⰰഊsmaller at the top than the bottom, made of round wooden rods. It has a ਀眀漀漀搀攀渀 眀栀攀攀氀 愀琀 攀愀挀栀 挀漀爀渀攀爀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀 猀氀椀搀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀猀ഊof the lower horizontal rods and held in place with a pin through the rod. ਀ 䨀攀猀甀猀 猀琀愀渀搀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 椀琀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 栀椀猀 氀攀昀琀 栀愀渀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 甀瀀瀀攀爀 昀爀漀渀琀 爀漀搀 愀渀搀 栀椀猀ഊright stretched out towards Mary. ਀吀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 椀猀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 ㄀㤀㠀㜀Ⰰ 䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ　㘀ⴀ　㤀㄀㐀㘀㠀ⴀ㠀⸀  䤀 瀀椀挀欀攀搀 椀琀 甀瀀 樀甀猀琀ഊrecently in paperback in the local Border's bookstore. ਀ഊBronwyn ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 䴀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 嘀漀氀甀洀攀 愀琀 匀琀攀瀀瀀攀猀 ㄀㈀琀栀 一椀最栀琀ഊDate: Fri, 16 Jan 98 12:16:31 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀漀琀琀椀攀 䔀氀氀椀漀琀琀 㰀洀愀挀搀樀 愀琀 漀渀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: ਀ഊ>Seriously, crying wasn't a problem, as far as I heard. And ਀㸀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 洀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀椀渀最 愀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀 愀昀昀攀挀琀猀 洀礀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀猀 猀琀爀漀渀最氀礀⸀ഊ>However, I think it's the parents' responsibility to make ਀㸀猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 搀漀 渀漀琀 愀昀昀攀挀琀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 椀渀 愀 洀愀樀漀爀 眀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 椀渀 愀 猀琀攀氀氀愀爀 椀搀攀愀Ⰰ 愀琀 匀琀攀瀀瀀攀猀 ㄀㈀琀栀 渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 搀甀爀椀渀最 挀漀甀爀琀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀ഊmovies for the kids in that upstairs room. This kept them from getting ਀戀漀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 氀漀渀最 挀漀甀爀琀 愀渀搀 最愀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 最漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊbe kids. My son loved it. ਀ഊClarissa ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䠀礀瀀攀爀愀挀琀椀瘀攀 欀椀搀Ⰰ 礀漀℀ഊDate: 7 Feb 1998 06:32:47 GMT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀爀椀愀氀栀愀欀漀渀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䄀爀椀愀氀䠀愀欀漀渀⤀ഊOrganization: AOL http://www.aol.com ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊ ਀㸀䤀 眀愀猀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 栀礀瀀攀爀愀挀琀椀瘀攀ഊ>child (no, I don't just mean "busy" or "active", I mean clinically ਀㸀栀礀瀀攀爀愀挀琀椀瘀攀⤀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 琀漀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 眀椀琀栀ഊ>your child. Clinton is 2 1/2 years old and a handful at the best of ਀㸀琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 猀琀漀瀀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀 挀愀渀✀琀 樀甀猀琀 猀栀椀瀀ഊ>him to Grandma's house for every event. ਀㸀ഊ>Claricia Nyetgale ਀㸀䌀愀氀搀爀椀琀栀椀最Ⰰ 匀欀爀愀攀氀椀渀最 䄀氀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 䔀䄀䰀䐀伀刀䴀䔀刀䔀℀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 戀漀礀Ⰰ 渀漀眀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 㤀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 猀椀渀挀攀 搀愀礀 ㄀ ⠀䤀 琀栀爀攀愀琀攀渀攀搀ഊthe Kingdom Chiurgeon that he needed to brush up on his in-field delivery ਀琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀猀⤀⸀  䴀礀 猀漀渀 椀猀 栀礀瀀攀爀愀挀琀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀 栀攀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀ഊmedical diagnosis (we are in the process of getting him diagnosed as such, but ਀猀漀 昀愀爀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 愀最爀攀攀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䘀椀爀猀琀 爀甀氀攀 漀昀 琀栀甀洀戀Ⰰ 搀漀渀✀琀 戀攀 愀渀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀 漀爀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 琀漀 搀漀 愀渀礀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 椀渀ഊwhich you will not be able to "run after" him at inconvienient moments (I had ਀琀漀 猀琀攀瀀 搀漀眀渀 愀猀 䌀栀愀琀攀氀愀椀渀攀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 攀瘀攀渀 椀昀 䤀 猀琀漀瀀瀀攀搀 琀漀 琀愀氀欀 琀漀 愀 ∀渀攀眀戀攀∀Ⰰ 栀攀ഊwas off and running....no gate duty either). ਀ഊSecond, band together with someone with children who is of like temperament. I ਀栀愀瘀攀 愀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 漀昀 㔀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰ 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 漀昀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 洀礀 漀眀渀⸀  夀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀ഊfights, and yes, the other mothers do sometimes criticize my son's ਀栀礀瀀攀爀愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 ⠀愀渀搀 攀洀漀琀椀漀渀愀氀 猀攀渀猀椀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 愀琀 琀椀洀攀猀⤀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 戀礀 愀渀搀 氀愀爀最攀Ⰰ 栀愀瘀椀渀最ഊthe extra kids around keeps him out of my hair and out of trouble (mostly). If ਀礀漀甀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 礀漀甀 猀攀琀 愀猀椀搀攀 ㄀ 栀漀甀爀 愀 搀愀礀 昀漀爀 ㄀ⴀ漀渀ⴀ㄀ 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀ഊkid (NO DISTRACTIONS, NO EXCEPTIONS). I take my kid on a cruise of merchant's ਀爀漀眀 ⠀椀昀 栀攀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 最漀漀搀⤀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 愀 栀椀欀攀 眀椀琀栀 栀椀洀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀愀欀攀 栀椀洀 琀漀 眀愀琀挀栀 琀栀攀ഊfighters (his dad). We do crafts together or I read him a story. It gives him ਀琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 栀攀 挀爀愀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀栀漀眀猀 栀椀洀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 愀猀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 琀漀ഊme as my duties in the SCA. ਀ഊThird, if you can find someone reliable and who likes kids, get them to watch ਀礀漀甀爀 欀椀搀 昀漀爀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀 漀爀 琀眀漀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 ⠀攀瘀攀渀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀 渀攀愀爀 戀礀⸀⸀⸀礀漀甀✀搀 戀攀 愀洀愀稀攀搀ഊon how wonderful it is to have an extra set of eyes keeping watch on him as you ਀挀漀漀欀 漀爀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 愀 琀攀渀琀⤀⸀  圀攀 ∀猀瀀漀渀猀漀爀攀搀∀ 猀漀洀攀 爀攀氀椀愀戀氀攀 琀攀攀渀愀最攀爀猀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 眀栀椀挀栀ഊare now integral parts of our household (one of which is now a nanny, and is ਀愀戀漀甀琀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 栀攀爀 漀眀渀 欀椀搀⤀⸀  圀攀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀渀ⴀ猀椀琀攀 最甀愀爀搀椀愀渀猀 ⠀眀攀 洀愀搀攀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀礀ഊwere "clean" kids, and their parents mild in temperament concerning their ਀欀椀搀猀⸀⸀⸀眀攀 愀氀猀漀 洀攀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀愀椀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 眀愀礀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  䤀渀 攀砀挀栀愀渀最攀Ⰰഊthe teens helped watch the kids during the day, and took sole responsibility ਀昀漀爀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀 漀爀 琀眀漀 眀栀椀氀攀 眀攀 挀爀甀椀猀攀搀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 爀漀眀 漀爀 搀椀搀 最愀琀攀 搀甀琀礀⸀⸀⸀⸀琀栀攀礀ഊplayed with the kid, took him to page school activities (when old enough), and ਀洀愀搀攀 猀甀爀攀 栀攀 戀攀栀愀瘀攀搀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀⸀  吀栀攀礀 最漀琀 愀 昀攀眀 栀漀甀爀猀 漀昀昀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀愀礀ഊ(sometimes in evenings) and were free whenever the kid was asleep. It worked ਀漀甀琀 昀漀爀 甀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀渀Ⰰ 眀攀 栀愀搀 愀 最漀漀搀 猀攀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀攀攀渀猀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 眀椀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀甀爀琀栀⸀⸀⸀漀渀攀 眀漀爀搀⸀⸀⸀⸀∀氀攀愀猀栀∀⸀  伀甀爀 一漀爀搀椀挀 愀渀挀攀猀琀漀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 眀椀猀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀ഊinvented "leiderhosen"....basically leather pants with built in suspenders to ਀眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 愀琀琀愀挀栀 愀 氀攀愀猀栀 愀渀搀 ∀猀琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀 漀甀琀∀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀栀愀搀攀ഊwhile they worked nearby. Some people freak at the thought of putting a kid on ਀愀 氀攀愀猀栀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀椀瘀攀 琀栀愀渀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 愀 欀椀搀 椀渀 愀 瀀氀愀礀瀀攀渀ഊand keeps the kid safe.....BUT YOU MUST BE WITHIN SIGHT OF THE KID AT ALL TIMES ਀眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀⸀⸀⸀⸀椀猀 愀氀猀漀 最爀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 挀爀甀椀猀椀渀最 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 爀漀眀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 椀琀 椀猀ഊbest to get a "babysitter" for those times, so you can actually GO INTO the ਀琀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 最爀愀戀 戀漀琀栀 栀愀渀搀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀 琀栀攀 攀渀琀椀爀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⠀礀攀猀Ⰰഊbeen there, done that....) ਀ഊFifth, get a "portable playpen" to use as a bed. Even at this age, the sides ਀洀愀欀攀 愀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 戀漀甀渀搀愀爀礀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀 眀栀椀氀攀 昀漀爀 栀椀洀 琀漀 最攀琀 漀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 猀漀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀ഊtime to realize the kid is up and can "corral" him. It also makes it a little ਀攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀ⴀ漀甀琀 琀栀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀匀椀砀琀栀⸀⸀⸀⸀欀攀攀瀀 愀 猀挀栀攀搀甀氀攀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀渀 猀漀洀攀 愀昀琀攀爀渀漀漀渀 焀甀椀攀琀 琀椀洀攀 ⠀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊheat of the day). Our household kids have a set routine...meals at definate ਀琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 愀昀琀攀爀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 爀椀琀甀愀氀猀 ⠀搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀樀✀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 猀洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 爀攀焀甀攀猀琀 瀀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 漀昀ഊa story or a song at the evening campfire, priv run, and then bed...usually at ਀㠀㨀㌀　⤀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀眀攀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀琀 愀猀椀搀攀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 栀椀最栀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀琀 ⠀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀ഊaround 1 or 3 pm), where they must lay down and read or have a story (or two) ਀爀攀愀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀⸀  䄀氀氀 瘀椀猀椀琀椀渀最 欀椀搀猀 洀甀猀琀 氀攀愀瘀攀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀  伀昀琀攀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀ഊplay board games afterwards.......As you can tell, heat, not cold is a problem ਀愀琀 漀甀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀匀攀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 䄀䰀圀䄀夀匀 挀愀洀瀀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 猀椀最栀琀 漀昀 ∀欀椀搀 洀愀最渀攀琀猀∀Ⰰ 猀漀 礀漀甀爀 欀椀搀 挀愀渀 猀愀昀攀氀礀 最漀 愀渀搀ഊplay with other kids without you having to drop everything. If there is ਀瀀氀愀礀最爀漀甀渀搀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 挀愀洀瀀 渀攀愀爀 琀栀愀琀⸀⸀⸀椀昀 栀攀 氀椀欀攀猀 瀀愀最攀 猀挀栀漀漀氀Ⰰ 挀愀洀瀀 愀猀 挀氀漀猀攀ഊto their location as you can. One word of advice though....camp a ways away ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 昀椀攀氀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 愀爀挀栀攀爀礀 昀椀攀氀搀 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀ഊany other hazard that would require your constant supervision. ਀ഊEight, get them in the habit early of drinking water at events. Kool-aid is ਀渀椀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀甀最愀爀 眀椀氀氀 挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 搀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀攀 洀漀爀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀Ⰰ 戀甀礀ഊa beverage cooler which they can easily use and place a cup by it and encourage ਀琀栀攀洀 琀漀 甀猀攀 椀琀 眀栀攀渀攀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀⸀  䄀 戀愀渀愀渀愀 攀瘀攀爀礀 搀愀礀 洀椀最栀琀 渀漀琀 戀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ഊfood, but it is the easiest way to get the potassium they need into them...we ਀椀渀猀椀猀琀 漀甀爀 欀椀搀猀 攀愀琀 愀 戀愀渀愀渀愀 攀瘀攀爀礀 搀愀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  圀攀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀ഊ"snack" cooler, in which we keep carrot sticks, mozzerella cheese sticks, and ਀愀瀀瀀氀攀 愀渀搀 漀爀愀渀最攀 猀氀椀挀攀猀 椀渀 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 ∀爀愀椀搀∀ 愀渀礀琀椀洀攀 琀栀攀礀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 洀甀渀挀栀椀攀猀⸀ഊDon't allow them a lot of junk foods though, since most of them have too much ਀猀愀氀琀 愀渀搀 猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 挀愀渀 搀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀 昀愀猀琀⸀ഊ ਀一椀渀琀栀Ⰰ 最攀琀 猀漀洀攀 琀漀礀猀 栀攀 攀渀樀漀礀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀渀氀礀 愀氀氀漀眀 栀椀洀 琀漀 瀀氀愀礀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊAll of our kids have Nerf bows and arrows (the 3 year old has gained a rep. for ਀琀愀爀最攀琀椀渀最 瀀攀攀爀✀猀 爀甀洀瀀猀℀⸀⸀⸀⸀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 最氀椀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀愀琀℀⤀⸀  吀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀ഊhave their own boffer weapons, shields and helmets, one per kid, customized per ਀欀椀搀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀 漀渀氀礀 氀漀愀渀 漀甀琀 甀渀搀攀爀 猀琀爀漀渀最 猀甀瀀攀爀瘀椀猀椀漀渀⸀⸀⸀漀甀爀猀℀  吀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最攀猀琀 栀愀猀ഊbecome quite his own fighter, even though he is too young for page school (we ਀栀漀氀搀 漀甀爀 漀眀渀 ∀琀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀猀∀ 椀渀 漀甀爀 挀愀洀瀀 昀漀爀 甀渀搀攀爀 㔀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 洀甀挀栀 猀甀瀀攀爀瘀椀猀椀漀渀 愀渀搀ഊexplaination to the kids about honor and sportsmanship). ਀ഊTenth, get them involved. My sister was doing dishes at age 3 (ok, she was ਀洀漀猀琀氀礀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 椀渀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 愀 挀栀漀爀攀⤀⸀  䰀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 挀愀爀爀礀 猀琀甀昀昀ഊfor you or run messages WITH YOU to and from the list field, or help you ਀∀眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀∀ 愀琀 琀栀攀 眀愀爀 昀椀攀氀搀 ⠀洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 礀漀甀 戀漀琀栀 猀琀愀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀氀椀渀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀攀ഊis in physical contact with you constantly...like standing infront of you). ਀䠀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 栀愀渀搀 礀漀甀 猀琀甀昀昀 愀猀 礀漀甀 瀀甀琀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 搀漀眀渀⸀  䠀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀ഊdrag stuff in their wagon (like empty water jugs to be filled, or moving the ਀攀洀瀀琀礀 眀愀最漀渀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀爀椀瀀猀 眀栀椀氀攀 猀攀琀琀椀渀最 甀瀀 漀爀 琀愀欀椀渀最 搀漀眀渀Ⰰ漀爀 琀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊfighter's their lunch, etc.). Have him help you serve bread at the feast, or ਀挀愀爀爀礀 攀洀瀀琀礀 戀愀猀欀攀琀猀⼀椀渀搀攀猀琀爀甀挀琀愀戀氀攀 戀漀眀氀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀⸀  匀瀀攀渀搀 愀ഊhalf-hour (no more, until he gets older) with him on your shoulders as you ਀瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 琀漀 戀攀 最愀琀攀 琀爀漀氀氀 ⠀琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 栀攀 渀攀攀搀猀 琀漀 戀攀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 栀愀爀洀✀猀 眀愀礀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀攀瘀攀渀琀栀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 愀氀氀 最愀爀洀攀渀琀猀 栀攀 眀攀愀爀猀 愀爀攀 ∀欀椀搀ⴀ瀀爀漀漀昀∀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀漀渀✀琀 昀爀攀愀欀 眀栀攀渀ഊhe comes back with mud from head to toe when you know he was wearing a brand ਀渀攀眀 眀栀椀琀攀 琀甀渀椀挀⸀  唀渀搀攀爀琀甀渀椀挀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 氀漀渀最 猀氀攀攀瘀攀搀Ⰰ 昀愀椀爀氀礀 栀椀最栀ⴀ甀瀀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊneck but not much past the butt. For pants, sweats (in cold) or pj bottoms are ਀戀攀猀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 最漀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瀀愀椀爀 漀昀 ∀搀爀攀猀猀∀ 瀀愀渀琀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 眀漀爀渀⸀  䤀ഊinsist on shoes due to the possibility of stepping on bees or something worse, ਀戀甀琀 洀礀 欀椀搀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 氀椀瘀攀猀 椀渀 猀愀渀搀氀攀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  䠀椀猀 戀氀愀渀欀礀 洀愀搀攀 愀渀ഊexcellent cloak, if placed like the viking square cloak (under one arm, pinned ਀漀渀 琀栀攀 漀瀀瀀漀猀椀琀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀攀爀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 愀 挀氀漀猀攀搀 瀀椀渀 漀爀 攀瘀攀渀 猀愀昀攀琀礀 瀀椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀氀猀漀ഊattaches it to the garment underneath). I also cut down some of my skiing ਀猀眀攀愀琀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 ∀眀愀爀洀 琀甀渀椀挀猀∀ 昀漀爀 栀椀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀搀攀 愀 ∀洀漀渀最漀氀椀愀渀 挀漀愀琀∀ 昀漀爀 眀愀爀洀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀吀眀攀氀昀琀栀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 挀漀渀瘀椀渀挀攀 栀椀洀 琀漀 攀愀琀 椀琀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 洀攀愀氀猀 䠀䔀䄀嘀夀 椀渀 最愀爀氀椀挀 愀渀搀 攀愀琀ഊthem for 3 days before the event. He (and you) may stink of garlic for the ਀攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀礀 猀眀攀愀琀 琀栀攀 猀洀攀氀氀 漀渀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀ഊgreatest misquito repellent! I regularly went to a restaurant I knew the cook ਀愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 䜀䄀刀䰀䤀䌀 瀀椀稀稀愀 ⴀ 渀漀琀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 刀漀甀渀搀 吀愀戀氀攀 欀椀渀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀渀攀ഊthat had garlic worked into the crust, had garlic in the sauce, had garlic ਀昀氀愀瘀漀爀攀搀 漀氀椀瘀攀 漀椀氀 漀渀 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀愀搀 眀栀漀氀攀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀 漀昀 最愀爀氀椀挀 漀渀 琀漀瀀⸀  圀攀 猀眀攀愀琀攀搀ഊgarlic for days (and the diapers! Uck!), but the misquitos left my son and I ਀愀氀漀渀攀℀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀 昀攀眀 洀漀爀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀漀漀 氀漀渀最⸀  䔀ⴀ洀愀椀氀 洀攀 椀昀ഊyou want. ਀ഊArial Haakonarstedir ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 䄀渀 椀搀攀愀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊDate: Tue, 02 Jun 98 14:25:33 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䜀攀渀攀瘀椀攀瘀攀 搀攀 䌀漀甀爀琀愀渀瘀愀甀砀∀ 㰀最搀挀 愀琀 愀椀爀洀愀椀氀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ਀ഊ>This message was sent to me recently. While I will be adding it to my files, ਀㸀䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 最漀漀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 瀀漀猀琀 栀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀ 䤀ഊ>think it would be good for all events, not just Pennsic. ਀㸀ഊ>Stefan li Rous ਀㸀猀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 琀攀砀愀猀⸀渀攀琀ഊ ਀㸀䠀椀 匀琀攀昀愀渀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 䈀爀椀漀渀 漀甀琀 椀渀 䄀攀琀栀攀氀洀攀愀爀挀⸀  䤀 猀愀眀 礀漀甀爀 瀀漀猀琀 漀渀 欀椀搀猀✀ 猀琀甀昀昀⸀ഊ>Here's a tip to pass on for people bringing youngsters to Pennsic: ਀㸀ഊ>Make the child a belt with their name written on the outside and all of their ਀㸀挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀椀搀攀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 氀椀欀攀 愀 氀愀爀最攀爀Ⰰ 洀漀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最ഊ>version of the hospital bracelet. It's also a good icebreaker for the child ਀㸀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 渀愀洀攀 琀漀 挀愀氀氀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 眀漀爀欀猀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 漀渀攀 琀漀ഊcare for of her very own, I do not recommend that a childs name ever be ਀愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀 眀栀攀爀攀 䄀一夀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 渀愀洀攀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀 琀栀攀洀 愀猀 椀昀ഊthey know them. Recently on this list we went through discussions about how ਀渀漀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀戀漀搀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀 栀愀猀 最漀漀搀 椀渀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀ഊis the case just as everyone you meet at the store does not have good ਀椀渀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀戀愀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀眀栀攀爀攀⸀ ⠀䤀 眀椀氀氀 最漀 渀漀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀ഊsubject) I wish that more parents would treat the society just as they do ਀琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀氀搀 愀渀搀 猀琀椀氀氀 戀攀 漀渀 最愀甀爀搀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 眀椀氀氀 栀愀爀洀ഊtheir children. In most cases the child already knows his/her name and who ਀椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 漀欀 琀漀 戀攀 眀椀琀栀⸀ 䤀 搀爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 搀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 椀猀 氀甀爀攀搀 漀昀昀 猀椀琀攀ഊand harmed. Please take every caution that you can with your children. ਀ഊGenevieve de Courtanvaux ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 䄀渀 椀搀攀愀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊDate: Tue, 02 Jun 98 15:22:26 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀栀愀爀琀攀氀 㰀樀栀愀爀琀攀氀 愀琀 渀攀琀ⴀ氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG ਀ഊGenevieve de Courtanvaux wrote: ਀㸀 䄀猀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 眀漀爀欀猀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 漀渀攀 琀漀ഊ> care for of her very own, I do not recommend that a childs name ever be ਀㸀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀 眀栀攀爀攀 䄀一夀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 渀愀洀攀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀 琀栀攀洀 愀猀 椀昀ഊ> they know them. ਀ഊAfter having sent my previous post, and upon reflecting on your words I ਀愀最爀攀攀⸀  倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 琀栀攀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 琀栀攀渀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀✀猀⼀最爀漀甀瀀猀ഊarms on the front of the favour and all the pertinent info on the back. ਀䠀愀瘀椀渀最 猀瀀攀渀琀 愀 礀攀愀爀 眀椀琀栀 瀀爀攀ⴀ欀椀渀搀攀爀 ⠀㐀ⴀ㔀 礀爀⸀漀氀搀猀⤀ 愀渀搀 挀氀漀猀攀氀礀 栀攀氀瀀椀渀最ഊwith kinder (5-6) I know that often times they have no idea of who they ਀愀爀攀⸀ 䤀昀 栀甀爀琀 漀爀 猀挀愀爀攀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀礀 眀愀渀琀 椀猀 ∀䴀漀洀洀礀 漀爀 䐀愀搀搀礀∀⸀  匀漀 礀漀甀 愀猀欀ഊthem who their parent's are and all they can say is "Mommy /Daddy". A ਀昀愀瘀漀甀爀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀攀氀瀀 氀漀挀愀琀攀 猀愀椀搀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀⼀最爀漀甀瀀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 栀漀眀 洀愀渀礀 礀漀甀渀最 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 匀䌀䄀 䄀一䐀 爀攀愀氀ഊnames? This is something for parents to work on with their children as ਀眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀䴀漀爀椀攀氀⨀⨀⨀ഊ ਀ഊSubject: ANST - Involving young folk/Boffer tourneys ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 　㄀ 䨀甀氀 㤀㠀 ㈀　㨀㈀㜀㨀　㘀 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: Mararede at aol.com ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀ഊ ਀吀眀漀ⴀ琀栀爀攀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 䤀 眀愀猀 愀挀琀椀渀最 䴀伀䌀 昀漀爀 䔀氀昀猀攀愀 䐀攀昀攀渀搀攀爀⸀ 䤀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 愀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀ഊfor the children, complete with milkjug helms, cardboard armour and cardboard ਀猀眀漀爀搀猀⸀ 刀攀愀氀氀礀 琀愀挀欀礀 猀琀甀昀昀Ⰰ 搀漀渀攀 漀渀 愀 猀栀漀攀猀琀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 漀甀琀 漀昀 洀礀 漀眀渀 瀀漀挀欀攀琀⸀ഊ___All___ the children participated, from the youngest to the oldest, 2-12, ਀爀漀甀最栀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀圀攀 栀愀搀 愀 戀氀愀猀琀℀ 䤀 猀愀眀 栀漀渀漀甀爀 愀渀搀 挀栀椀瘀愀氀爀礀 琀漀 爀椀瘀愀氀 愀渀礀 攀瘀攀爀 猀攀攀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瘀攀爀礀ഊbest 0tourney field. The kids loved it, fought over who got the left-over ਀愀爀洀漀甀爀⸀ ⸀ ⸀ ⸀       一漀戀漀搀礀 挀愀洀攀 琀漀 洀攀 愀渀搀 猀愀椀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀攀猀㬀 椀昀ഊthey had I would have demanded to see it in writing. Parents and other ਀瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀猀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀猀 最漀漀搀 愀 琀椀洀攀 愀猀 琀栀攀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀渀搀 䤀 搀椀搀⸀ 䤀 愀氀猀漀ഊused the children as marshals, waterbearers, list master/mistresses. ਀       圀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 琀栀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀㼀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 猀椀最渀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀愀    ⠀䰀愀搀礀 䴀愀爀愀 漀昀 刀攀搀攀⤀ 䌀愀爀漀氀礀渀 倀攀渀渀椀渀最琀漀渀ഊBarony of Elfsea ਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: nerak at aol.com (Nerak) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊDate: 24 Nov 2003 03:35:12 GMT ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀猀 ⠀渀漀琀 最漀漀搀℀⤀ഊ ਀㸀䠀漀眀 眀攀 搀攀愀氀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀 猀甀爀昀攀椀琀 漀昀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 昀攀攀琀 搀攀瀀攀渀搀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀攀砀琀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䴀礀 䰀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 琀攀渀琀 愀 搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 昀爀漀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀渀 猀椀最栀琀 漀昀 眀栀攀爀攀 眀攀ഊsat near the list field (or whatever activity) when the child was small, they ਀眀攀爀攀 琀甀挀欀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀漀礀猀⸀  䰀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀 ⠀漀甀琀 漀昀 眀椀渀搀ഊand sun) for naps, and even later as a 'club house' and we would find it full ਀漀昀 欀椀搀猀⸀ഊ A small pop-up tent frequently could occupy a corner of the feast hall and ਀猀氀攀攀瀀礀 欀椀搀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀攀愀搀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀 琀漀 渀愀瀀 愀猀 琀栀攀 昀攀愀猀琀 攀渀搀攀搀 愀渀搀 搀愀渀挀椀渀最 戀攀最愀渀⸀ഊ As soon as each child reached the age where they could sleep through the ਀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 最漀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 瀀漀瀀ⴀ甀瀀 愀渀搀 愀 最氀漀眀 猀琀椀挀欀 愀琀 渀椀最栀琀⸀  一漀琀栀椀渀最 焀甀椀琀攀 氀椀欀攀ഊ"Go to your room" when camping. Later they were allowed some choice of where ਀琀栀攀礀 挀愀洀瀀攀搀Ⰰ 愀琀 昀椀爀猀琀 ∀椀渀 猀椀最栀琀∀ 愀渀搀 氀愀琀攀爀 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 挀栀漀猀攀 愀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 眀攀 欀渀攀眀ഊwhere they were. ਀ऀ䈀漀琀栀 漀昀 漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 ✀搀愀渀挀攀搀✀ 漀渀 䴀漀洀✀猀 栀椀瀀Ⰰ 攀砀琀攀渀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 栀愀渀搀 猀椀渀挀攀 䴀漀洀✀猀ഊhand on that side was busy holding them. Our son got out of bed (age 3) and ਀眀攀渀琀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 昀攀愀猀琀 栀愀氀氀 愀渀搀 搀愀渀挀攀搀 甀渀琀椀氀 ㈀愀洀℀℀  ഊ In all truth, and this is from other adults in the Barony, our kids were ਀氀椀琀琀氀攀 琀漀 渀漀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 焀甀椀琀攀 昀甀渀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀爀漀甀渀搀㬀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀 眀栀攀渀 漀渀攀 漀爀ഊtwo particular adults would verbally provoke them to tears. ਀ഊNerak at aol.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀最最椀攀 䘀漀爀攀猀琀 㰀洀愀最最椀攀 愀琀 昀漀爀攀猀琀⸀最攀渀⸀渀稀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀猀 ⠀渀漀琀 最漀漀搀℀⤀ഊDate: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:00:20 +1300 ਀ഊOn Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:37:28 GMT, "JE Anderson" wrote: ਀㸀∀娀攀戀攀攀 䨀漀栀渀猀琀漀渀攀∀ 㰀稀攀戀攀攀 愀琀 稀椀瀀⸀挀漀洀⸀愀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀 椀渀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀ഊ>news:slrnbs270n.55c.zebee at zeus.zipworld.com.au... ਀㸀㸀 㸀 䤀✀搀 戀攀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 琀漀 瀀愀礀 ␀㄀　 瀀攀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀   倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 攀瘀攀渀 洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 搀攀瀀攀渀搀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊ>> > amount. But I'd want the activities to be SCA involved. ਀㸀㸀 ␀㄀　 最攀琀猀 眀栀愀琀㼀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 唀匀 爀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 伀稀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 最攀琀 礀漀甀 ㄀ 栀漀甀爀ഊ>> of babysitting. ਀㸀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀 匀椀氀昀爀攀渀℀  夀漀甀 猀愀椀搀 椀琀 愀氀氀 洀甀挀栀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 琀栀漀甀最栀 ⴀ 椀昀 眀攀 栀攀氀搀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 漀栀Ⰰ 猀愀礀 渀攀砀琀 一漀瘀攀洀戀攀爀ഊCrown, and there was, say, ten sets of parents there with, oh, twelve kids ਀戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 瀀愀椀搀 一娀␀㄀㔀 ⠀攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 漀昀 唀匀␀㄀　⤀ 瀀攀爀 欀椀搀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀✀猀 ␀㄀㠀　⸀ഊThat buys at least a whole day of qualified babysitting. If there was, in ਀愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 椀渀 漀渀攀 栀漀甀爀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀 愀猀猀椀猀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 焀甀愀氀椀昀椀攀搀ഊnanny, that would be a very viable proposition, both providing good care (not ਀琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 欀椀搀猀 琀漀 栀愀渀搀氀攀⤀ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 猀攀挀甀爀椀琀礀 昀漀爀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 ⠀氀攀愀瘀椀渀最 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀猀ഊalone with one adult). I assume that there are similar types of nanny agencies ਀琀栀愀琀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀椀猀攀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最 戀漀琀栀 椀渀 䄀甀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 唀匀Ⰰ 愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 栀攀爀攀Ⰰഊso you can get a qualified, certified child carer on site. All it takes is a ਀猀礀洀瀀愀琀栀攀琀椀挀 攀瘀攀渀琀 猀琀攀眀愀爀搀 眀栀漀 椀猀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 愀搀瘀攀爀琀椀猀攀 琀栀椀猀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊparents' behalf, and a motivated parent to co-ordinate the hiring and payment. ਀ഊ/marienna ਀ഊEx Factis Honestas Agnoscitur ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀攀爀爀礀 㰀最爀攀礀⸀栀漀甀猀攀 愀琀 猀栀愀眀⸀挀愀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 一攀眀 渀愀洀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 椀猀 䬀椀搀猀 愀渀搀 匀䌀䄀 氀椀昀攀ഊDate: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:33:16 GMT ਀ഊAs you see, I have renamed the thread, as it is certainly not discussing ਀琀栀攀 氀愀眀猀甀椀琀⸀ഊ ਀    䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 戀攀椀渀最 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀攀搀 栀攀爀攀 椀猀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀㨀ഊWhen you decided to have kids you decided to change your lifestyle. ਀夀伀唀刀 昀甀渀 椀猀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 礀漀甀 洀漀猀琀 甀爀最攀渀琀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀⸀ഊYOUR needs do NOT come first any more. ਀    䤀 愀洀 愀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀Ⰰ 䤀 爀愀椀猀攀搀 ㈀ 欀椀搀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 ⴀ 䄀琀 一伀 琀椀洀攀 搀椀搀 䤀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 ഊthe SCA to provide me with babysitting. ਀䘀漀爀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 氀漀挀愀氀 䴀愀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 最漀氀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ഊunivercity or any other place I attend, to provide me with free ਀戀愀戀礀猀椀琀琀椀渀最⸀ഊI think its amazing that the SCA is still a 'free' orginization! ਀一攀瘀攀爀洀椀渀搀 愀猀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 昀爀攀攀 戀愀戀礀猀椀琀琀椀渀最 愀猀 眀攀氀氀℀ഊIn my time as a Seneschale I worked hard at organizing parents to look ਀愀昀琀攀爀 欀椀搀猀 椀渀 猀栀椀昀琀猀Ⰰ 愀琀 漀渀攀 琀椀洀攀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 氀甀挀欀礀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 栀愀氀氀 ഊwhich had a large side room, at feasts we brought TV, vcr, and kids ਀愀爀爀椀瘀攀搀 椀渀 瀀樀✀猀 眀椀琀栀 戀攀搀 爀漀氀氀猀⸀  䈀椀最最椀猀琀 瀀爀漀戀 眀愀猀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 ഊthe gang from sitting and watching the kids cartoons (SIGH) But it ਀栀攀氀瀀攀搀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 攀渀樀漀礀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀琀椀氀氀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 愀渀搀 攀礀攀 漀渀 ഊthe kids. ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀渀礀 最愀洀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 昀漀爀 ഊchildren, there are all sorts of things children would like to learn to ਀搀漀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 愀氀氀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀搀甀氀琀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䤀䘀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 栀愀猀 搀攀挀攀渀琀 ഊmanners AND the rest of the adults know you aren't going to dump the kid ਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 昀椀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 ഊto be involved with your childs life. IF however, the adults in your ਀最爀漀甀瀀 栀愀瘀攀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 琀栀爀甀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 搀椀琀挀栀 礀漀甀爀 欀椀搀 ഊat the drop of a hat, you will soon get no help at all. ਀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 洀礀 昀愀椀爀 猀栀愀爀攀 漀昀 昀攀攀搀椀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀猀 欀椀搀猀 ഊbecause they were too drunk last night to get up this morning, or ਀昀椀渀搀椀渀最 挀漀愀琀猀 昀漀爀 欀椀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 挀愀渀✀琀 戀攀 戀漀琀栀攀爀攀搀 琀漀 搀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 ഊapplying sunscreen and so on and on! to be very sympathetic to folks who ਀挀愀渀✀琀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䬀䤀䐀 椀猀 渀漀眀 夀伀唀刀 昀椀爀猀琀 氀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 漀渀氀礀 ഊreal consideration for many many years to come. ਀ഊMerry ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 戀爀漀渀眀礀渀洀最渀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀渀漀猀瀀愀洀 ⠀䈀爀漀渀眀礀渀洀最渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 　㠀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㐀 ㈀㌀㨀㈀㄀㨀㐀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊSubject: Re: Medieval Children ਀ഊIn article <413e46a1 at rsl2.rslnet.net>, "Heather" writes: ਀㸀吀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀ഊ>to know any primary or translated secondary sources related to the lives of ਀㸀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 㘀　　䄀䐀 愀渀搀 ㄀㘀㔀　䄀䐀 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀氀搀Ⰰഊ ਀䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 眀椀琀栀 䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䠀愀渀愀眀愀氀琀✀猀 戀漀漀欀猀㼀  匀栀攀 栀愀猀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最ഊGrowing Up in Medieval London and The Ties That Bound, that rely extensively on ਀瀀爀椀洀愀爀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 搀攀愀氀 漀昀 椀渀昀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀栀椀氀搀栀漀漀搀⸀  吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀ഊtertiary sources, of course, but very full bibliographies and footnote sthat ਀挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀猀攀昀甀氀 琀漀 礀漀甀⸀ഊ ਀䈀爀愀渀最眀愀礀渀愀 䴀漀爀最愀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:15:51 +0200 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 嘀漀氀欀攀爀 䈀愀挀栀 㰀挀愀爀氀琀漀渀开戀愀挀栀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀搀攀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] How much land to feed a person ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䄀洀 䐀椀攀渀猀琀愀最Ⰰ ㌀⸀ 䴀愀椀 ㈀　　㔀 ㈀㌀㨀　㜀 猀挀栀爀椀攀戀 倀栀氀椀瀀㨀ഊ> You know, guys, I keep seeing this thread, and thinking of a mud pie ਀㸀 攀愀琀椀渀最 挀漀渀琀攀猀琀⸀ 䄀爀攀 洀甀搀 瀀椀攀猀 攀瘀攀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊ ਀䤀渀 琀栀攀 氀攀昀琀 戀愀挀欀最爀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 倀椀攀琀攀爀 䈀爀攀甀最栀攀氀✀猀 ㄀㔀㘀　 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 ✀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 最愀洀攀猀✀Ⰰഊtoday at the Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna, we can see a child (of ਀椀渀搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀愀琀攀 最攀渀搀攀爀⤀ 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 漀渀 愀 猀愀渀搀 栀椀氀氀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 搀愀爀欀攀爀 瀀愀琀挀栀 漀昀 猀愀渀搀ഊto its left clearly modelled in three dimensions that can be tentatively ਀椀搀攀渀琀椀昀椀攀搀 愀猀 愀 瀀爀攀挀甀爀猀漀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀甀搀 瀀椀攀⸀ 䤀 愀猀猀甀洀攀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 愀 洀甀搀 瀀椀攀ഊas the 20th century understands it would require a shaped mould that was not ਀椀渀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 甀猀攀 戀礀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 瀀甀琀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 昀椀渀愀渀挀椀愀氀 爀攀愀挀栀 漀昀ഊmost families in Europe, but I am told that mud pies are still made without ਀琀栀漀猀攀 琀漀漀氀猀 戀礀 瀀攀愀猀愀渀琀 挀漀洀洀甀渀椀琀椀攀猀 椀渀 䄀昀爀椀挀愀 愀渀搀 匀漀甀琀栀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀愀琀 搀漀 礀漀甀 洀攀愀渀 椀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 愀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀㼀ഊ ਀䜀椀愀渀漀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Chris Zakes ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䄀瀀爀椀氀 ㈀㜀Ⰰ ㈀　　㘀 㜀㨀㄀㔀㨀㈀㈀ 䄀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: moiranliam at earthlink.net, "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ਀㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: [Ansteorra] A subject change... ਀ഊ> Two kids under the age of 2 makes eventing.. tricky for me and Liam. So, ਀㸀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 椀渀 洀椀渀搀 䤀 挀愀渀 一伀吀 戀攀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 眀漀洀愀渀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 猀洀愀氀氀猀 琀漀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 䤀ഊ> seek the wisdom of those who have pulled this off (eventing with babies). ਀㸀 吀栀攀礀✀爀攀 琀漀漀 猀洀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 挀氀漀猀攀猀琀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 椀猀 椀渀ഊ> Biloxi, and it's not like we can leave them at home like cats where they ਀㸀 最攀琀 愀 戀椀最 戀漀眀氀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 愀 眀愀爀渀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 欀攀最最攀爀猀⸀  䠀椀渀琀猀Ⰰ 琀椀瀀猀Ⰰ  ഊ> tricks? ਀㸀ഊ> Moira Lindsay ਀ഊThis is taken from my answer to a similar question on the Rialto some ਀礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䈀攀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 搀漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 最漀琀 琀栀攀 吀ⴀ猀栀椀爀琀⸀ ⠀㌀ 琀椀洀攀猀⤀ഊ ਀㄀⸀ 䤀渀瘀攀猀琀 椀渀 愀 瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 挀爀椀戀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 椀渀瘀愀氀甀愀戀氀攀 愀猀 瀀氀愀礀瀀攀渀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最  ഊthe day, don't take up too much space in the tent/crash space at ਀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀愀渀 戀攀 瀀愀挀欀攀搀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 攀愀猀椀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀㈀⸀ 䤀渀瘀攀猀琀 椀渀 愀 最漀漀搀 戀愀挀欀瀀愀挀欀⼀挀愀爀爀椀攀爀⸀ 圀攀 甀猀攀搀 漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀  ഊa pouch with long straps, and could be used as a front, back, or side ਀瀀愀挀欀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 最爀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最⼀挀甀搀搀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 戀愀戀礀 愀渀搀 氀攀愀瘀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀  ഊhands free. I've worn it while serving feasts, doing site preperation ਀⠀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 挀甀琀琀椀渀最 搀漀眀渀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 琀爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀 愀砀攀 漀渀攀 琀椀洀攀ⴀⴀ戀愀戀礀  ഊRobert thought that was great fun) attending classes and meetings, etc. ਀ഊ3. Realize that babies don't just take up time, they take up space. ਀䌀漀甀渀琀椀渀最 挀愀爀猀攀愀琀Ⰰ 瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 挀爀椀戀Ⰰ 搀椀愀瀀攀爀 戀愀最Ⰰ 攀砀琀爀愀 搀椀愀瀀攀爀猀Ⰰ 挀氀漀琀栀攀猀Ⰰ  ഊetc., your baby will need nearly as much transport space as an adult. ਀夀漀甀 洀愀礀 渀攀攀搀 愀 戀椀最最攀爀 挀愀爀 ⠀愀渀搀 琀攀渀琀⤀⸀ഊ ਀㐀⸀ 刀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 礀漀甀爀 瀀爀椀漀爀椀琀椀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 戀愀戀礀 挀漀洀攀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 漀爀 挀漀甀爀琀  ഊor A&S projects or whatever. Unless you hold the bardic circle outside ਀礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 猀琀愀礀 眀椀琀栀 䨀甀渀椀漀爀 椀昀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀  ഊone wants to go out and party. On the other hand, if you have the ਀戀愀爀搀椀挀 挀椀爀挀氀攀 戀礀 礀漀甀爀 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 渀漀椀猀攀 眀椀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 欀攀攀瀀 栀攀爀 愀眀愀欀攀  ഊ(and fussy). ਀吀栀攀爀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 琀椀洀攀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 椀猀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀  ഊyour family home, rather than try to endure the heat/cold/rain or ਀眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀猀 琀栀攀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀渀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀 栀愀猀 椀渀 猀琀漀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀㔀⸀ 夀漀甀 ⨀挀漀甀氀搀⨀ 氀攀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 琀礀欀攀 眀椀琀栀 䜀爀愀渀搀洀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 戀攀  ഊsurprised if he shows no interest in the SCA when bigger. Our three ਀眀攀爀攀 愀氀氀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 愀 昀攀眀 眀攀攀欀猀 漀昀 戀椀爀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀漀瘀攀搀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀㘀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 昀漀氀欀猀 甀猀攀 愀渀 ∀匀䌀䄀 戀愀戀礀猀椀琀琀攀爀∀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 栀攀氀瀀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 欀椀搀  ഊin exchange for transportation and site/feast fees. I've never tried ਀椀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 猀漀甀渀搀猀 氀椀欀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀⸀ഊ ਀㜀⸀ 倀愀挀欀 ⨀氀漀琀猀⨀ 漀昀 攀砀琀爀愀 挀氀漀琀栀攀猀⸀ 欀椀搀猀 ☀ 搀椀爀琀 愀爀攀 氀椀欀攀 洀愀最渀攀琀猀 ☀ 椀爀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀㠀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 昀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 最爀漀甀瀀Ⰰ 猀攀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀椀渀最  ഊand trading kid-juggling for a while. On the plus side, you've got ਀攀砀琀爀愀 攀礀攀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀渀搀猀 椀昀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 漀瘀攀爀眀栀攀氀洀攀搀⸀ 伀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀渀甀猀 猀椀搀攀Ⰰ 椀昀  ഊyour ideas on discipline and behaviour don't match, you're going to ਀栀愀瘀攀 昀爀椀挀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀㤀⸀ 䤀昀 愀琀 愀氀氀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀Ⰰ 瀀氀愀渀 愀栀攀愀搀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 猀瀀漀甀猀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀  ഊmake sacrifices. "Well, I really want to do X. If you can watch Small ਀琀栀攀渀Ⰰ 䤀✀氀氀 眀愀琀挀栀 栀攀爀 搀甀爀椀渀最 挀漀甀爀琀 猀漀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 最漀 栀攀爀愀氀搀⸀∀ഊ ਀㄀　⸀ 倀愀挀欀 欀椀搀ⴀ昀漀漀搀 昀漀爀 氀甀渀挀栀 愀渀搀 昀攀愀猀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀 ㈀ⴀ礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀  ഊprobably won't be interested in eels seethed in wine, no matter *how* ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 椀琀ഊis. Especially if feast is after court and court is running late. . . ਀唀猀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀 爀攀昀爀椀最攀爀愀琀椀漀渀 眀栀攀渀攀瘀攀爀 昀攀愀猀椀戀氀攀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀  ഊeven the best ice chest isn't perfect. ਀ഊ11. Teach your kids basic SCA rules: Don't touch other people's stuff ਀眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀猀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 欀渀椀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀 昀椀爀攀猀 愀爀攀 搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ ⠀圀攀 琀愀甀最栀琀 漀甀爀ഊkids"HOLD" while crossing the street.) Take the time to show them ਀搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀 眀栀礀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀⸀ 䘀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀ⰀഊThe site has a river on one boundary. Make time to take the kid(s) ਀搀漀眀渀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 猀攀攀 椀琀 愀渀搀 洀愀礀戀攀 琀栀爀漀眀 愀 昀攀眀 爀漀挀欀猀 椀渀⸀ 䔀砀瀀氀愀椀渀 琀栀愀琀ഊyou can't go swimming now because it's too cold, or you don't have ਀礀漀甀爀 猀甀椀琀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 猀眀椀洀洀椀渀最 琀椀洀攀 椀猀 氀愀琀攀爀 眀栀攀渀 攀瘀攀爀礀戀漀搀礀 挀愀渀 最漀⸀ 䴀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀ഊthey understand that Daddy or Mother has to come with, to go look at ਀琀栀攀 爀椀瘀攀爀 愀最愀椀渀⸀ ⠀䴀礀 礀漀甀渀最攀猀琀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀 椀猀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀 洀礀 猀栀漀甀氀搀攀爀  ഊand comments "I remember that.") ਀ഊ12. Set reasonable boundaries for the bigger kids. "Don't go past ਀琀栀椀猀 琀爀攀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 琀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀愀琀 爀漀愀搀⸀ 匀琀愀礀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀  ഊlist field, of course, otherwise, have fun." Watch toddlers ਀挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀ⴀⴀ琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 漀氀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 漀氀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀  ഊavoid it. Remember that portable crib/playpen? It's still useful. ਀ഊ12. Try to have SCA-appropriate toys, but don't be fanatical about ਀椀琀⸀ 䈀攀 ⨀瘀攀爀礀⨀ 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀漀礀 猀眀漀爀搀猀㬀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 挀愀渀 猀琀椀氀氀 栀甀爀琀 椀昀ഊused with force. Our kids have a rule of "only hit people who are ਀眀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀爀洀漀爀∀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀 最椀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 琀栀攀 漀瀀瀀漀爀琀甀渀椀琀礀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 愀 昀攀眀 猀栀漀琀猀ഊat Mother or Daddy when they are in armor. ਀ഊ13. It's never too early to start teaching courtesy. It's much easier ਀琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 ∀瀀氀攀愀猀攀∀ 愀渀搀 ∀琀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀∀ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 琀漀 琀愀氀欀Ⰰ 琀栀愀渀ഊto suddenly spring it on them at age 7. ਀ഊ -Tivar Moondragon ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀攀渀渀椀昀攀爀 匀洀椀琀栀 㰀樀搀猀 愀琀 爀愀渀搀漀洀最愀渀最⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: April 27, 2006 9:48:19 AM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 洀漀椀爀愀渀氀椀愀洀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀Ⰰ ∀✀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ  䤀渀挀⸀✀∀  ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 刀䔀㨀 ⸀⸀⸀ 愀渀搀 愀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 挀栀愀渀最攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䴀漀椀爀愀 䰀椀渀搀猀愀礀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Two kids under the age of 2 makes eventing.. tricky for me and Liam. So, ਀㸀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 椀渀 洀椀渀搀 䤀 挀愀渀 一伀吀 戀攀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 眀漀洀愀渀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 猀洀愀氀氀猀 琀漀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 䤀ഊ> seek the wisdom of those who have pulled this off (eventing with babies). ਀㸀 吀栀攀礀✀爀攀 琀漀漀 猀洀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 挀氀漀猀攀猀琀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 椀猀 椀渀ഊ> Biloxi, and it's not like we can leave them at home like cats where they ਀㸀 最攀琀 愀 戀椀最 戀漀眀氀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 愀 眀愀爀渀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 欀攀最最攀爀猀⸀  䠀椀渀琀猀Ⰰഊ> tips, tricks? ਀ഊSmall children in the SCA! What fun. I haven't done TWO children under the ਀愀最攀 漀昀 琀眀漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 挀愀渀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 戀椀最最攀爀ⴀ琀栀愀渀ⴀ渀漀爀洀愀氀 栀愀渀搀昀甀氀⸀ഊStill, what works for me with an almost-2 and a 6 year old: ਀ഊI echo bringing along a portable playpen/crib thingy, at least while they're ਀渀漀琀 眀愀氀欀椀渀最 礀攀琀⸀ 嘀攀爀礀 渀椀挀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 猀攀琀 搀漀眀渀 愀 挀栀椀氀搀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀ഊworry about them crawling through the dirt and stickers! We used one while ਀挀愀洀瀀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 眀栀攀渀 搀愀礀ⴀ琀爀椀瀀瀀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀伀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀Ⰰ 眀攀 甀猀攀 愀 最椀愀渀琀 眀漀漀搀攀渀 眀愀最漀渀 洀漀猀琀 栀攀愀瘀椀氀礀⸀ 䔀愀爀氀礀 漀渀 眀攀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀ഊthe Radio Flyer ATW wagon, wood sides and a weight limit of 250lbs. When ਀椀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 栀愀甀氀椀渀最 漀甀爀 猀琀甀昀昀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 栀愀甀氀椀渀最 欀椀搀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 愀猀 愀 戀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊyoungest for naptime or at night. I even change diapers on it. It's padded ਀眀椀琀栀 愀 焀甀椀氀琀攀搀 猀氀攀攀瀀 洀愀琀 琀栀愀琀 爀漀氀氀猀 甀瀀 昀漀爀 猀琀漀爀愀最攀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀氀搀攀猀琀 栀愀猀 昀椀渀愀氀氀礀ഊoutgrown it (just in time for the youngest to switch to it, which we're ਀眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀渀⸀⸀⸀⤀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 戀愀戀礀ⴀ最攀愀爀 瀀甀爀挀栀愀猀攀ഊwe've ever made. Plus, it's a toy! ਀ഊHaving the regular help of friends is a must-have. You can only do so much ਀猀眀椀琀挀栀椀渀最 漀昀昀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀攀 挀栀椀氀搀ഊthat needs to be supervised. ਀ഊBathroom breaks -- shudder. I regularly scout out sites to figure out the ਀戀攀猀琀 昀愀挀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀 琀漀 甀猀攀Ⰰ 倀䄀刀吀䤀䌀唀䰀䄀刀䰀夀 眀栀攀渀 琀漀椀氀攀琀 琀爀愀椀渀椀渀最 漀爀 眀椀琀栀 渀攀眀氀礀ഊtoilet-trained kids. For camping, we actually have our own portable toilet ਀猀攀愀琀 眀椀琀栀 ∀瀀愀挀欀ⴀ椀琀ⴀ椀渀⼀瀀愀挀欀ⴀ椀琀ⴀ漀甀琀∀ 搀爀礀挀栀攀洀 戀愀最猀 琀栀愀琀 戀愀挀欀瀀愀挀欀攀爀猀 甀猀攀⸀  䘀漀爀ഊprimitive sites, that or a handicapped port-a-potty are your best bets; ਀渀攀瘀攀爀 琀爀礀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀 椀渀琀漀 愀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀ⴀ猀椀稀攀搀 瀀漀爀琀ⴀ愀ⴀ瀀漀琀琀礀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀眀愀礀猀 戀爀椀渀最 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 洀甀渀挀栀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀甀挀栀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀渀✀琀 最漀 戀愀搀⸀  䴀礀 欀椀搀猀 眀椀氀氀ഊlargely eat anything, and frequently mooch off of anyone around them (sigh), ਀戀甀琀 猀漀洀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀爀攀 昀愀爀 洀漀爀攀 瀀椀挀欀礀⸀ 䤀✀洀 眀愀礀 洀漀爀攀 瀀椀挀欀礀 搀甀爀椀渀最 昀攀愀猀琀 琀栀愀渀ഊmy kids are! A long feast typically won't hold their attention span either, ਀猀漀 戀攀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀搀 琀漀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 渀漀琀 搀漀 昀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 最攀琀 甀瀀 愀 氀漀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 氀攀愀瘀攀 攀愀爀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀 洀礀 漀氀搀攀猀琀 眀愀猀 ㈀ 漀爀 猀漀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 愀戀爀甀瀀琀氀礀 猀琀漀瀀瀀攀搀 眀愀渀琀椀渀最 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀 昀爀漀洀 栀攀爀ഊsippy cup at events. She kept grabbing at my mug. Took me a while to figure ਀漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 栀攀爀 漀眀渀 洀甀最℀ 䤀 洀愀渀愀最攀搀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀栀椀氀搀ⴀ猀椀稀攀搀ഊpottery mug with a nice handle, and she toddled around with that thing full ਀漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 礀攀愀爀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 椀琀 洀攀琀 愀渀 甀渀琀椀洀攀氀礀 攀渀搀 漀渀 愀ഊconcrete floor. We're now on mug #2, and I can always be sure that she's ਀搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 猀栀攀 栀愀爀搀氀礀 猀攀琀猀 椀琀 搀漀眀渀⸀  䬀椀搀 ⌀㈀ 昀椀最甀爀攀搀ഊout at Crown Tourney that her sippy cup fits perfectly inside dad's metal ਀琀愀渀欀愀爀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀漀氀攀 椀琀Ⰰ 氀攀愀瘀椀渀最 栀椀洀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 挀甀瀀℀  圀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 栀攀挀欀Ⰰ 愀 琀愀渀欀愀爀搀ഊwith a sippy lid still looks better than a bright orange plastic sippy cup. ਀㨀⤀ഊ ਀䄀猀 猀漀漀渀 愀猀 琀栀攀 漀氀搀攀猀琀 欀椀搀 挀愀渀 眀愀氀欀Ⰰ 最攀琀 琀栀攀洀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀愀洀瀀 挀栀愀椀爀⸀ഊYou can usually find cheap folding camp chairs to mimic the larger ones at ਀圀愀氀洀愀爀琀 漀爀 吀愀爀最攀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 ∀樀甀猀琀 氀椀欀攀 洀漀洀 ☀ 搀愀搀∀ 猀琀甀昀昀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䌀愀洀瀀椀渀最 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 愀 挀栀漀爀攀 搀甀爀椀渀最 猀攀琀甀瀀 愀渀搀 琀愀欀攀 搀漀眀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 眀栀攀渀 愀ഊportable playpen comes in most handy, unless you have lots of extra hands. I ਀愀洀 猀琀椀氀氀 琀椀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀 愀琀 渀椀最栀琀 ⠀欀椀搀猀 眀漀渀✀琀 昀愀氀氀 愀猀氀攀攀瀀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 洀漀洀ഊnearby), and so the most going out I get to do is to sit right outside the ਀搀漀漀爀⸀ 䤀渀 挀愀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀 猀挀爀攀愀洀椀渀最 昀椀琀Ⰰ 眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 挀愀洀瀀 爀椀最栀琀ഊin the middle of things, so this means I've forfeited most of my nighttime ਀猀漀挀椀愀氀椀稀椀渀最⸀ 䈀甀洀洀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 攀栀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 礀漀甀 最漀琀琀愀 最椀瘀攀 甀瀀⸀ഊ ਀一漀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 栀漀眀 氀愀琀攀 愀琀 渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 最椀瘀攀 甀瀀 挀漀甀爀琀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀⸀ 一攀椀琀栀攀爀 欀椀搀ഊwants to sleep as long as there's still stuff going on, so at worst I have ਀琀漀 猀琀愀渀搀 甀瀀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀琀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最攀猀琀 挀爀愀渀欀礀 漀渀攀 琀漀ഊsettle down. (A crying kid in the front of court is never a good thing.) ਀ഊAt one point we started hauling along a wooden box of SCA-only toys; we've ਀最漀琀琀攀渀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀愀戀椀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀眀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最攀猀琀 栀椀琀琀椀渀最 ㈀ 渀攀砀琀 洀漀渀琀栀 䤀ഊthink it's about time to redo the box. It always had paper or coloring ਀戀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 挀爀愀礀漀渀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀 猀洀愀氀氀 猀琀甀昀昀攀搀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀 漀爀 愀 挀氀漀琀栀 搀漀氀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀ഊother odds and ends like that. Nothing that you will care if it gets ਀愀挀挀椀搀攀渀琀愀氀氀礀 氀漀猀琀 漀爀 搀攀猀琀爀漀礀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 氀椀欀攀眀椀猀攀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 戀爀椀最栀琀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀ഊand makes electronic beeping noises. ਀ഊThe HARDEST thing I've ever had to deal with was bottle-feeding. ਀⠀䈀爀攀愀猀琀ⴀ昀攀攀搀椀渀最 椀猀 猀漀漀漀漀漀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀℀⤀ 䤀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 洀礀 漀眀渀ഊbottled water, liners, and powdered formula, and just reused the same bottle ਀愀渀搀 渀椀瀀瀀氀攀 漀瘀攀爀 愀渀搀 漀瘀攀爀 ⠀戀攀椀渀最 猀甀爀攀 琀漀 爀椀渀猀攀 椀琀 漀甀琀 最漀漀搀⤀⸀ 唀最栀⸀ 䰀甀挀欀椀氀礀ഊboth my kids took room-temp water, so I never had to figure out how to warm ਀愀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 漀爀 欀攀攀瀀 漀渀攀 挀漀氀搀 漀爀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀ഊ ਀䄀琀 戀愀爀攀 洀椀渀椀洀甀洀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 搀愀礀琀爀椀瀀瀀椀渀最Ⰰ 眀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 戀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 眀愀最漀渀Ⰰ 愀 昀攀眀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀ഊof water (easier than bugging the waterbearers), animal crackers, mugs, and ਀琀栀攀 洀甀猀琀ⴀ栀愀瘀攀 戀氀愀渀欀椀攀猀⸀ ⠀䄀渀搀 最愀爀戀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀⸀⤀  伀䠀 愀渀搀 猀瀀愀爀攀 搀椀愀瀀攀爀猀⸀  匀琀愀猀栀ഊsome in the car just in case! ਀ഊ-Emma ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 圀攀戀洀椀渀椀猀琀攀爀 㰀瘀猀挀爀椀戀攀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊDate: April 27, 2006 10:21:45 AM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: [Ansteorra] Bringing up baby in the SCA was RE: ... and a ਀猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 挀栀愀渀最攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 琀栀攀 栀愀爀搀 眀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 洀礀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀ഊbring the kids even WITH help such as a sitter for the kids. ਀䄀氀氀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 搀漀 眀愀猀 爀甀渀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀琀栀 攀瘀攀爀礀 ㌀ 栀漀甀爀猀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀ഊsure they were ok. When they were old enough to go to ਀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀 眀愀氀欀攀搀 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀ഊunnoticed and was found by security then brought to me. I just ਀愀戀漀甀琀 搀椀攀搀⸀ 䈀甀琀 栀攀 眀愀猀 甀渀栀愀爀洀攀搀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 甀瀀猀攀琀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀ഊcould not find mommy. ਀ഊI agree with Aethelyan and Emma, you gotta pack completely ਀搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀℀ 䈀甀琀 礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 瀀愀爀琀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀⸀ 㨀⤀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 眀漀爀猀琀 匀䌀䄀 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 眀愀猀 氀椀欀攀 洀礀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 漀爀 琀栀椀爀搀 攀瘀攀渀琀ഊwhere we found a child screaming his head off. He was sitting ਀椀渀 愀 瀀椀氀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 戀椀最 爀攀搀 愀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 栀椀猀 搀愀搀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 昀愀爀 愀眀愀礀ഊyelling at anyone that came near the child. It was horrible. ਀ഊOne of my best memories was having a group mommy tea where we ਀愀氀氀 樀甀猀琀 猀愀琀 眀椀琀栀 漀甀爀 戀愀戀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀愀氀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 戀愀戀礀ഊthat was driving our 'not married, not with child friends' mad. ਀㨀⤀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 戀椀最最攀猀琀 琀椀瀀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 椀猀 琀漀 戀攀 洀椀渀搀昀甀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊweather. Know way ahead of time what the conditions are going ਀琀漀 戀攀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 挀漀氀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀ഊcolder, if you are going to be hot, they are going to hitting ਀栀攀愀琀 攀砀栀愀甀猀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䘀漀爀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀琀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊcorner, do the traditional South Texas air conditioner trick ਀⸀⸀⸀ 戀漀眀氀 漀昀 椀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 昀愀渀 戀攀栀椀渀搀 椀琀⸀ 㨀⤀ഊ ਀夀漀甀 挀愀渀 瀀甀爀挀栀愀猀攀 猀漀氀愀爀 瀀愀渀攀氀猀 昀爀漀洀 䠀愀爀戀漀爀 䘀爀攀椀最栀琀 渀漀眀 昀漀爀ഊanywhere from 10 for a phone charger to 200 for one that will ਀爀甀渀 愀渀 愀椀爀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䌀栀椀愀爀愀ഊ ਀䠀䰀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀ഊKingdom Webminister, Ansteorra ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 䈀氀愀挀欀琀栀漀爀渀攀 㰀搀愀洀猀氀攀开渀开搀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀㈀　　㌀ 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: April 27, 2006 4:35:53 PM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀  䤀渀挀⸀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] Principality, Gas, and a subject change... ਀ഊI took my 2-year old (at the time) nephew to an event, and camped with him. One thing that allowed me to be able to be part of the adult night life, while also being a responsible auntie was having one of those air mattress/sleeping bags. During the day when he crashed down for an unexpected nap, moving that out of the tent and placing it under a pavilion, out of the sun, allowed me to be near the list field, and keep an eye on him. Then later that night during the "adult gatherings", I moved it out of the way, still though close enough to see him, and let him sleep there until I took him to bed with me. ਀ഊThe reason this worked is because that boy could sleep through anything. ਀ഊElizabeth ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 䈀氀愀挀欀琀栀漀爀渀攀 㰀搀愀洀猀氀攀开渀开搀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀㈀　　㌀ 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: April 27, 2006 6:37:13 PM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] Principality, Gas, and a subject change... ਀ഊok, I just read this. I feel the need to clarify what I meant by "adult gatherings" that is not a reference to anything other than the typical reveling that happens after dark. ਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀ഊ ਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 䈀氀愀挀欀琀栀漀爀渀攀 㰀搀愀洀猀氀攀开渀开搀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀㈀　　㌀ 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀 䤀 琀漀漀欀 洀礀 ㈀ⴀ礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀 ⠀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⤀ 渀攀瀀栀攀眀 琀漀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀愀洀瀀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 栀椀洀⸀  伀渀攀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 洀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀搀甀氀琀 渀椀最栀琀 氀椀昀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 愀氀猀漀 戀攀椀渀最 愀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 愀甀渀琀椀攀 眀愀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 愀椀爀 洀愀琀琀爀攀猀猀⼀猀氀攀攀瀀椀渀最 戀愀最猀⸀  䐀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀愀礀 眀栀攀渀 栀攀 挀爀愀猀栀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 昀漀爀 愀渀 甀渀攀砀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 渀愀瀀Ⰰ 洀漀瘀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀挀椀渀最 椀琀 甀渀搀攀爀 愀 瀀愀瘀椀氀椀漀渀Ⰰ 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀甀渀Ⰰ 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 洀攀 琀漀 戀攀 渀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 昀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 欀攀攀瀀 愀渀 攀礀攀 漀渀 栀椀洀⸀  吀栀攀渀 氀愀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 渀椀最栀琀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ∀愀搀甀氀琀 最愀琀栀攀爀椀渀最猀∀Ⰰ 䤀 洀漀瘀攀搀 椀琀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀Ⰰ 猀琀椀氀氀 琀栀漀甀最栀 挀氀漀猀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 猀攀攀 栀椀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 栀椀洀 猀氀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀爀攀 甀渀琀椀氀 䤀 琀漀漀欀 栀椀洀 琀漀 戀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 琀栀椀猀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 椀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 戀漀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 猀氀攀攀瀀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Aline Swynbrook ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䨀甀氀礀 ㄀　Ⰰ ㈀　　㜀 ㄀㈀㨀㈀　㨀㈀㈀ 倀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 伀吀㨀 匀䌀䄀 䈀愀戀礀㼀ഊ ਀䄀 昀攀眀 渀漀琀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 渀漀琀 礀攀琀 愀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀㨀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 愀猀猀甀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀 最攀渀琀氀攀 眀栀漀 椀猀 眀愀琀挀栀椀渀最ഊsomeone else's children will gladly watch yours as ਀眀攀氀氀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 挀栀攀挀欀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 漀渀挀攀ഊwatching a friend's child at an event who I could keep ਀椀渀 攀礀攀ⴀ猀椀最栀琀 眀栀椀氀攀 猀攀愀琀 ⠀䤀 栀愀搀 椀渀樀甀爀攀搀 洀礀 昀漀漀琀 琀栀爀攀攀ഊdays before and was not up for much running around). ਀圀椀琀栀椀渀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀Ⰰ 昀椀瘀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 栀愀搀 愀挀挀甀洀甀氀愀琀攀搀ഊwith no parents in site to play with the one child I ਀眀愀猀 眀愀琀挀栀椀渀最⸀  䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 漀爀ഊtheir parents and could not easily run after them. ਀吀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 氀攀昀琀 椀渀 洀礀 ∀挀愀爀攀∀ 昀漀爀 漀瘀攀爀 ㈀ 栀漀甀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀攀爀攀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀爀攀 愀渀搀ഊwhat they are doing. At Northkeep's Castellan two ਀礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 䤀 爀攀琀甀爀渀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀愀洀瀀 洀礀 氀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 眀攀爀攀ഊsharing with his Laurel and extended apprentice and ਀欀椀渀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀爀攀攀 礀漀甀渀最 戀漀礀猀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 挀愀琀挀栀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀ഊand sticks on fire from one of the in camp torches. ਀吀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 椀渀 猀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最ഊthe year when the region was under a severe burn ban. ਀ഊOverall, the majority of parents involved in the SCA ਀愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 最漀漀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀愀琀挀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀ഊlook forward to raising my own children in the SCA one ਀搀愀礀⸀    䤀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀愀渀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 礀漀甀 洀愀欀攀ഊfriends with other parents of similarly aged children ਀愀渀搀 猀攀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀 琀栀攀 挀漀猀琀 漀昀ഊa nurse or sitter, or to camp together and share ਀挀栀椀氀搀ⴀ眀愀琀挀栀椀渀最 搀甀琀椀攀猀⸀  䤀琀 眀椀氀氀 欀攀攀瀀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀渀搀ഊthose around you safer in the long run. ਀ഊLy Aline Swynbrook ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㜀 　㤀㨀㔀　㨀　㠀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: "Laura C. Minnick" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䄀最攀 愀渀搀 洀愀琀甀爀椀琀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀ഊTo: Christiane , Cooks within the SCA ਀ऀ㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䄀琀 　㤀㨀㌀㄀ 䄀䴀 㤀⼀㄀㐀⼀㈀　　㜀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> There's such a knowledgeable group of people here, I thought I'd ਀㸀 愀猀欀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀 椀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 昀漀漀搀 爀攀氀愀琀攀搀⸀ 䠀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀渀礀 瀀愀瀀攀爀猀ഊ> on psychosocial development in the middle ages? I recall Barbara ਀㸀 吀甀挀栀洀愀渀✀猀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀渀最 椀渀 愀最攀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀攀爀猀ഊ> were during the 100 Years War (leading armies as teenagers), and her ਀㸀 椀渀琀椀洀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 眀攀爀攀ഊ> because so many of the elites (and people in general) were immature ਀㸀 愀渀搀 栀愀搀 瀀漀漀爀 椀洀瀀甀氀猀攀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 栀攀爀 瀀漀椀渀琀㨀 䤀 氀漀漀欀 戀愀挀欀 愀琀ഊ> the asinine things I did at 16 and ask myself what the hell was I ਀㸀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 渀漀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最ഊ> at all, I just did it and didn't think about the consequences. ਀ഊYou might look into Barbara Hanawalt and Shulamith Shahar- both of ਀琀栀攀洀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀栀椀氀搀栀漀漀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最ഊadolescence. Georges Duby may also have something useful. ਀ഊFor what it's worth, I think that the majority of Richard II's ਀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 愀猀 愀渀 愀搀甀氀琀 猀琀攀洀 搀椀爀攀挀琀氀礀 昀爀漀洀 栀漀眀 栀攀 眀愀猀 栀愀渀搀氀攀搀 愀猀 愀 琀攀攀渀Ⰰഊincluding the judicial murder of his mentor and tutor, Simon Burley. ਀刀攀瀀攀愀琀攀搀氀礀 栀甀洀椀氀椀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最 欀椀渀最 ⠀愀渀搀 焀甀攀攀渀⤀ 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 眀椀猀攀猀琀ഊthing the council could have done. ਀ഊ(And payback's a b!tch.) ਀ഊ'Lainie ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㜀 ㄀㌀㨀　㐀㨀㐀㤀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Johnna Holloway ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䄀最攀 愀渀搀 洀愀琀甀爀椀琀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊThere's Medieval Children by Nicholas Orme. ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀礀愀氀攀瀀爀攀猀猀⸀礀愀氀攀⸀攀搀甀⼀礀甀瀀戀漀漀欀猀⼀戀漀漀欀⸀愀猀瀀㼀椀猀戀渀㴀㤀㜀㠀　㌀　　　㤀㜀㔀㐀㈀ഊ ਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀ഊ ਀眀愀猀 愀猀欀攀搀ഊ> Have there been any papers ਀㸀 漀渀 瀀猀礀挀栀漀猀漀挀椀愀氀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀猀㼀ഊ ਀㸀㸀 夀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 氀漀漀欀 椀渀琀漀 䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䠀愀渀愀眀愀氀琀 愀渀搀 匀栀甀氀愀洀椀琀栀 匀栀愀栀愀爀ⴀ 戀漀琀栀 漀昀ഊ>> them have written about childhood in the Middle Ages, including ਀㸀㸀 愀搀漀氀攀猀挀攀渀挀攀⸀ 䜀攀漀爀最攀猀 䐀甀戀礀 洀愀礀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最  甀猀攀昀甀氀⸀ഊ>> snipped ਀㸀㸀 ✀䰀愀椀渀椀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Jennifer Smith ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䨀甀氀礀 ㄀　Ⰰ ㈀　　㜀 ㄀㄀㨀　㘀㨀㔀㔀 䄀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 伀吀㼀㨀 匀䌀䄀 戀愀戀礀ഊ ਀㸀 䄀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀搀礀 栀愀爀渀攀猀猀㨀 吀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀 最爀椀攀昀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ> obviously never chased a 2 year old through the mall, so tell them that. ਀㸀 圀栀攀渀 洀礀 欀椀搀 猀琀愀爀琀猀 眀愀氀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀栀椀渀最 䤀✀洀 戀甀礀椀渀最⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀ഊ> had enough experience chasing my niece through the mall that I think a body ਀㸀 栀愀爀渀攀猀猀 椀猀 䜀漀搀✀猀 最椀昀琀 琀漀 洀愀渀欀椀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀 眀漀爀欀猀 最爀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 洀漀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀ 䈀漀琀栀 漀昀 洀礀 最椀爀氀猀ഊare *tiny*, and when they started walking, the smallest harness I could find ਀眀愀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 眀愀礀 琀漀漀 戀椀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 樀甀猀琀 猀氀椀瀀 漀甀琀℀ 匀漀 眀攀 栀愀搀 琀漀 氀攀愀爀渀 琀栀攀ഊ"no, hold mommy's hand" or "stay HERE" routine quickly instead. ਀ഊOne thing I forgot -- court! I'm a court junkie (herald, go figure), so ਀眀攀✀瘀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 最漀渀攀⸀ 䴀礀 礀漀甀渀最攀猀琀 猀琀椀氀氀 挀愀氀氀猀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 ∀瘀椀瘀愀琀∀⸀ ∀䴀愀洀愀Ⰰ 眀攀 最漀ഊvivat?" Both girls can do the whole closing court litany... And yes, even ਀琀栀攀渀 挀漀甀爀琀 搀漀攀猀 最攀琀 戀漀爀椀渀最 昀漀爀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀ഊtry to sit near an edge where I can slip out to the back when needed. ਀ഊ-Emma de Fetherstan ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀氀椀砀 搀攀䈀漀栀甀渀 㰀挀稀愀爀攀渀愀开甀渀爀攀猀琀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: July 10, 2007 11:41:58 AM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: [Ansteorra] sca baby - ਀ഊ>>>>>> ਀䠀愀瘀攀 愀 瀀愀琀挀栀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 愀爀洀猀 漀渀 椀琀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀✀猀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀ഊwith your name embroidered on it as well. If the child cannot remember your ਀匀䌀䄀 渀愀洀攀⠀猀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀礀漀渀攀 攀瘀攀渀 爀攀洀漀琀攀氀礀 愀搀攀瀀琀 愀琀 栀攀爀愀氀搀爀礀 挀愀渀 洀愀琀挀栀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀猀 琀漀ഊthe banner at your campsite or pavilion ਀ഊ>>>>>>> end quote ਀ഊI realized early on that my son needed to know HIS name at HEB, ਀吀愀爀最攀琀Ⰰ 攀琀挀 椀昀 栀攀 最漀琀 氀漀猀琀 ∀圀漀甀氀搀 䨀漀栀渀愀琀栀愀渀 䬀爀攀氀氀✀猀 洀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀  ഊcome to the service desk". But at an event, his name wouldn't do him ਀洀甀挀栀 最漀漀搀⸀ 匀漀 栀攀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 洀礀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 渀愀洀攀 愀琀 愀氀氀 ⴀ 栀攀 眀椀氀氀 琀攀氀氀  ഊanyone who asks that my name is Mommy Alix. He also has a Seawinds ਀猀栀攀氀氀 ⴀ 椀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀 洀礀 渀愀洀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 愀渀礀  ഊof my shire mates! Of course, if I ever get my arms done, I'll put ਀琀栀愀琀 漀渀 栀椀洀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀䰀愀搀礀 䄀氀椀砀 搀攀䈀漀栀甀渀 ⴀ 洀漀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 㐀 礀爀 漀氀搀 眀栀漀 挀栀愀氀氀攀渀最攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀  ഊa sword to a duel ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䜀攀渀攀瘀愀 吀愀渀渀攀爀 㰀琀愀渀渀攀爀⸀最 愀琀 猀戀挀最氀漀戀愀氀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊDate: July 10, 2007 12:28:49 PM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: [Ansteorra] OT?: SCA baby ਀ഊwow this thread brings back memories LOL my kids are 15 and 14 but I camped with my kids when they were 3 moths old and 2 months old respectively. ਀ഊ Since I was the one who always arrived first and picked out ground space for every one else I always put me and my midnight feeders at the extreme edge of the camp telling all who would camp near me that I had young children. Most understood and most were okay with that but you are always going to have a few. ਀ഊ My Stroller was a old English pram that would go four wheeling and looked moderately period (got more complements on it then any thing else I owned LOL) ਀ഊ When my kids got older a harness was my best friend since my kids did the divide and conquer routine at the mall and when one took off the other looked to see where the other went and took off in the other direction LOL ਀ഊ Pack and plays were great in the tent as portable beds and my kids would sleep ANYWHERE! ਀ഊ Toys were wood and passed on when we out grew them But I still have my sons first spear and shield packed up and away for the first grand baby LOL ਀ഊ I hope you get good ideas from this thread It sure has brought back a lot of memories :-) ਀ഊ Lady Gwen ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀渀攀 䠀甀猀攀 㰀挀愀猀愀开搀攀开瘀愀挀愀 愀琀 猀戀挀最氀漀戀愀氀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊDate: July 10, 2007 9:34:07 PM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] sca baby - Heraldry ਀ഊI have a tunic with The Fray device on it because my husband in The Fray. ਀䄀戀漀甀琀 ㌀ 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 愀琀 吀栀爀攀攀 䬀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 䤀 眀愀猀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 琀栀攀 䴀漀䌀ഊwith sewing some mittens. I turned my back on my 3 year old for less than ਀㄀　 猀攀挀漀渀搀猀Ⰰ 琀甀爀渀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀搀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 最漀渀攀 ⠀欀椀搀猀 愀爀攀 琀漀漀 焀甀椀挀欀 昀漀爀 栀愀瘀椀渀最ഊsuch little legs). She was found on the list field seconds before they ਀挀愀氀氀攀搀 氀愀礀 漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 洀愀爀猀栀愀氀 猀挀漀漀瀀攀搀 栀攀爀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 琀漀漀欀 栀攀爀 琀漀 愀 䘀爀愀礀洀愀渀⸀ഊPlease understand, I am not a bad mom and I am very good at watching my wee ਀漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 氀椀欀攀 䤀 猀愀椀搀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 焀甀椀挀欀⸀⸀⸀⸀琀甀渀椀挀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 最爀漀甀瀀ഊdevice is very helpful when these things happen. ਀ഊI suggest either a household or group device on a tunic. With tunics they ਀挀愀渀 渀漀琀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀⸀  䠀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 漀爀 最爀漀甀瀀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀猀 愀爀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀ഊif your child does do a Houdinni trick on you, someone can locate someone ਀礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀 琀漀 最攀琀 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 礀漀甀⸀  䤀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 䄀氀搀攀渀 漀渀 戀愀搀最攀猀 愀渀搀ഊdevices. ਀ഊMaria ਀ഊ-----Original Message----- ਀圀栀椀氀攀 洀漀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀漀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀 礀漀甀爀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀搀 愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 ഊwith you, putting your device on someone else implies that person *is* ਀礀漀甀Ⰰ 漀爀 猀瀀攀愀欀猀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 愀甀琀栀漀爀椀琀礀 ⠀椀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀爀 栀攀爀愀氀搀⤀⸀  䈀愀搀最攀猀 愀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 ഊto identify a person's belongings (including people). Unfortunately, ਀渀漀琀 洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 戀漀琀栀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 爀攀最椀猀琀攀爀椀渀最 戀愀搀最攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀洀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 戀攀 ഊregularly associated with them, so the connection of a little one ਀眀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀✀猀 戀愀搀最攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 眀愀猀琀攀搀⸀  唀猀椀渀最 愀 戀爀愀渀挀栀✀猀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀挀攀 ഊbadge, or a commonly known household's badge would work well though in ਀愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀渀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 最爀漀甀瀀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀匀甀戀洀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀愀氀搀猀℀  刀攀最椀猀琀攀爀 礀漀甀爀 渀愀洀攀 愀渀搀 愀爀洀漀爀礀 琀漀搀愀礀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 ഊsomeone else does! Ask your local herald for assistance. ਀ഊAlden Drake ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀爀椀猀 娀愀欀攀猀 㰀搀漀渀琀椀瘀愀爀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: January 19, 2008 6:38:28 PM CST ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] speaking of children... ਀ഊ> So a couple things to think about in answering: what are your attitudes ਀㸀 琀漀眀愀爀搀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 ⠀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⤀㼀 圀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 ⴀ  椀渀 琀栀攀ഊ> SCA or at any given event - for children to be involved in? What do we do to ਀㸀 渀漀琀 樀甀猀琀 洀愀欀攀 爀漀漀洀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 漀甀爀 搀爀攀愀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 愀 ⼀瀀愀爀琀⼀ 漀昀 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ> make ourselves a part of their dream? ਀ഊWell-behaved kids are fine at events. The ones whose parents seem to ਀攀砀瀀攀挀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀戀漀搀礀 攀氀猀攀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 戀愀戀礀猀椀琀琀攀爀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 愀爀攀 漀昀昀ഊplaying can be a real nuisance. ਀ഊThings kids in the SCA can do: ਀ഊOfficial children's activities. ਀倀氀愀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀椀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀ⴀⴀ欀椀搀猀 愀爀攀 攀渀搀氀攀猀猀氀礀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀椀瘀攀㬀 攀瘀攀渀 愀琀 愀 猀椀琀攀ഊwith nothing but a pile of rocks and sticks, they'll still find ਀⨀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最⨀ 琀漀 搀漀⸀ഊBoffer fighting, if they're at least 6. ਀夀漀甀琀栀 刀愀瀀椀攀爀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 ㄀㈀⸀ഊWater bearing, if they're big enough to carry the bottle and ਀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 搀漀 椀琀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀氀礀⸀ഊRunning cards between the heralds and the list mistress. ਀䄀☀匀ⴀ琀礀瀀攀 猀琀甀昀昀⸀ 伀氀搀攀爀 欀椀搀猀 挀愀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 氀攀愀爀渀 琀漀 搀漀 攀洀戀爀漀椀搀攀爀礀 漀爀ഊcalligraphy or somesuch. At many events there's a scribes' table ਀眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀渀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 漀爀 昀甀琀甀爀攀 猀挀爀漀氀氀猀ⴀⴀ愀 最漀漀搀 瀀氀愀挀攀 昀漀爀ഊa kid with an artistic turn of mind. ਀䠀攀氀瀀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 漀爀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最ⴀⴀ愀最愀椀渀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀猀甀洀椀渀最 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 戀椀最ഊenough and responsible enough. (Our oldest daughter started serving ਀昀攀愀猀琀猀 眀栀攀渀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 㐀 礀攀愀爀猀 漀氀搀⸀ 䈀礀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 㠀 漀爀 猀漀Ⰰഊshe was capable of serving just like the grown-ups--even though few ਀挀漀漀欀猀 漀爀 栀攀愀搀 猀攀爀瘀攀爀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 椀琀⸀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀ഊto serve aong woth her, then I'd carry the platter of food and she'd ਀搀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最⸀⤀ഊ ਀䄀猀 愀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 椀昀 愀 欀椀搀 椀猀 愀戀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 愀最攀 漀昀 琀攀渀 漀爀 猀漀Ⰰ 愀挀琀猀ഊlike an adult and interacts with other adults like an adult, most SCA ਀愀搀甀氀琀猀 眀椀氀氀 ⨀琀爀攀愀琀⨀ 琀栀攀 欀椀搀 氀椀欀攀 愀渀 愀搀甀氀琀⸀ഊ ਀          ⴀ吀椀瘀愀爀 䴀漀渀搀爀愀最漀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Autumn Selby ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䨀愀渀甀愀爀礀 ㈀　Ⰰ ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㨀㌀㠀㨀　㠀 倀䴀 䌀匀吀ഊTo: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 匀瀀攀愀欀椀渀最 漀昀 䌀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ഊ ਀䤀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 眀愀猀 ㄀㔀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀礀ഊparents weren't active, which made it somewhat ਀搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 琀漀 琀爀愀瘀攀氀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 ㄀㔀ഊyear olds going on 30. I didn't really fit in with the ਀漀琀栀攀爀 琀攀攀渀愀最攀爀猀 戀甀琀 攀渀樀漀礀攀搀 猀琀愀礀椀渀最 甀瀀 氀愀琀攀 愀渀搀ഊlistening to people tell stories round the camp fires. ਀䘀漀爀 洀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀椀渀最 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊday, serving feast in the evening, and socializing at ਀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 攀渀樀漀礀攀搀 搀漀椀渀最⸀ ഊ ਀䘀愀猀琀 昀漀爀眀愀爀搀 琀攀渀 礀攀愀爀猀 氀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 䤀 愀洀 渀漀眀 戀爀椀渀最椀渀最 洀礀ഊ5-year old daughter to events. She went to her first ਀攀瘀攀渀琀 愀琀 ㄀㔀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 爀椀最栀琀 戀礀 洀礀 猀椀搀攀 攀瘀攀爀ഊsince. I make sure that I bring many things to play ਀眀椀琀栀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀愀礀 愀渀搀 洀礀 猀漀挀椀愀氀 戀甀琀琀攀爀昀氀礀 愀氀眀愀礀猀ഊmanages to find friends. My daughter has done ਀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀✀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 漀渀氀礀 㐀 琀椀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀栀攀 攀渀樀漀礀攀搀ഊthem just as much as she enjoyed playing with the ਀漀琀栀攀爀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀⸀ 䄀猀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 猀琀愀琀攀搀 戀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰഊchildren have wonderful imaginations and will pretty ਀洀甀挀栀 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀⸀ ഊ ਀䴀礀 搀愀甀最栀琀攀爀 栀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 洀攀 眀椀琀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀椀渀最Ⰰഊfeast serving, and she is wonderful at picking up ਀琀爀愀猀栀 愀渀搀 挀氀攀愀渀椀渀最 搀椀猀栀攀猀⸀ 䄀渀搀 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀攀猀琀 琀栀椀渀最 椀猀ഊthat she enjoys helping, it makes her feel a part of ਀琀栀椀渀最猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 搀漀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 挀愀渀ഊbe a place for children, and I think that in most ਀挀愀猀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 甀瀀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 漀爀 最甀愀爀搀椀愀渀猀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀ഊways to include their children in activities. Also, if ਀礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀氀搀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 礀漀甀琀栀 挀栀椀瘀愀氀爀椀挀Ⰰ 爀愀瀀椀攀爀Ⰰഊor archery and you don't have those activities ਀愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 最爀漀甀瀀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 椀渀椀琀椀愀琀椀瘀攀 愀渀搀ഊsee what needs to be done to offer these in your ਀最爀漀甀瀀⸀ 吀愀氀欀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀 愀爀挀栀攀爀礀 洀愀爀猀栀愀氀Ⰰ 礀漀甀爀 挀栀椀瘀愀氀爀椀挀ഊmarshal, and your rapier marshal. ਀ഊ~Arianna de Genevois ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㠀 　㈀㨀　㌀㨀　㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Stefan li Rous ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀栀椀氀搀栀漀漀搀 猀愀昀攀琀礀ഊTo: SCA-Cooks maillist SCA-Cooks ਀ഊCelia commented: ਀㰀㰀㰀 倀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 昀漀爀最攀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 ✀挀栀椀氀搀 猀愀昀攀ⴀ椀渀最✀ 礀漀甀爀 栀漀洀攀 椀猀 愀ഊrelatively new concept. Prior to the idea that children must have an almost ਀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀漀爀礀 琀礀瀀攀 攀渀瘀椀爀漀渀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀洀 猀愀昀攀Ⰰ ✀挀栀椀氀搀 猀愀昀攀ⴀ椀渀最✀ 眀愀猀ഊcalled 'discipline' and 'parenting'. So, I guess I'm "mean Celia" as well, ਀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀最爀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 琀爀愀椀渀椀渀最 椀猀 洀甀挀栀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀 搀攀愀搀ഊchild. >>> ਀ഊBut medieval parents *did* try to child safe their homes. It was ਀漀昀琀攀渀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 愀渀搀 愀猀 礀漀甀 搀攀猀挀攀渀搀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 琀栀攀 猀漀挀椀愀氀 猀挀愀氀攀 椀琀 最漀琀  ഊmore difficult, in part because mom might be the sole head of the ਀栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 漀爀 攀瘀攀渀 椀昀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀渀✀琀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 栀攀爀 漀眀渀 樀漀戀 漀爀  ഊhousehold chores to do. ਀ഊFor those interested in finding out more about period childhood and ਀爀愀椀猀椀渀最 漀昀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 愀渀搀 栀漀眀 椀琀 瘀愀爀椀攀搀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀  ഊrecommend some of the books by Hanawalt, Barbara A.. In particular I ਀眀漀甀氀搀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀㨀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 吀椀攀猀 吀栀愀琀 䈀漀甀渀搀㨀 倀攀愀猀愀渀琀 䘀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀 椀渀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀ഊHanawalt, Barbara A. ਀䤀匀䈀一㨀 　ⴀ㄀㤀ⴀ㔀　㐀㔀㘀㐀ⴀ㔀ഊOxford University Press ਀䨀愀渀甀愀爀礀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀ഊ ਀䤀渀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 猀栀攀 甀猀攀猀 ㌀　　　 挀漀爀漀渀攀爀✀猀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 最椀瘀攀猀 愀渀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀  ഊwhat dangers children faced while growing up, often in the home. And ਀猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 ⨀挀漀爀漀渀攀爀✀猀⨀ 爀攀瀀漀爀琀猀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 琀栀攀 挀栀椀氀搀 瀀爀漀漀昀椀渀最⼀ ഊdiscipline didn't succeed. ਀ഊSome of the description: ਀ഊSynopsis ਀唀猀椀渀最 愀 眀攀愀氀琀栀 漀昀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀 ㌀　　　 挀漀爀漀渀攀爀猀✀  ഊreports, this is both a detailed account of everyday life in the ਀䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀渀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 猀琀甀搀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 甀渀椀琀 ⴀ 愀  ഊunit which has survived, largely unchanged, to the present day. ਀ഊBook Description ਀䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䄀⸀ 䠀愀渀愀眀愀氀琀✀猀 爀椀挀栀氀礀 搀攀琀愀椀氀攀搀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀 漀昀昀攀爀猀 愀渀 椀渀琀椀洀愀琀攀 瘀椀攀眀  ഊof everyday life in Medieval England that seems at once surprisingly ਀昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 愀渀搀 礀攀琀 愀琀 漀搀搀猀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 攀砀瀀攀爀琀猀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀氀搀 甀猀⸀ 匀栀攀  ഊargues that the biological needs served by the family do not change ਀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀猀 昀漀甀爀琀攀攀渀琀栀ⴀ 愀渀搀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀ⴀ挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 瀀攀愀猀愀渀琀猀 挀漀瀀攀搀  ഊwith such problems as providing for the newborn and the aged, ਀挀漀渀琀爀漀氀氀椀渀最 瀀爀攀洀愀爀椀琀愀氀 猀攀砀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀氀氀攀瘀椀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 栀愀爀猀栀渀攀猀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀  ഊmaterial environment in many ways correspond with our twentieth- ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀唀猀椀渀最 愀 爀攀洀愀爀欀愀戀氀攀 愀爀爀愀礀 漀昀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀 ㌀Ⰰ　　　 挀漀爀漀渀攀爀猀✀  ഊinquests into accidental deaths, Hanawalt emphasizes the continuity ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 渀甀挀氀攀愀爀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀猀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 戀礀  ഊexploring the reasons that families served as the basic unit of ਀猀漀挀椀攀琀礀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 攀挀漀渀漀洀礀⸀ 倀爀漀瘀椀搀椀渀最 猀甀挀栀 昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 愀猀 愀  ഊcitation of an incantation against rats, evidence of the hierarchy of ਀戀爀攀愀搀 挀漀渀猀甀洀瀀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最愀洀攀猀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀Ⰰ 栀攀爀  ഊstudy illustrates the flexibility of the family and its capacity to ਀愀搀愀瀀琀 琀漀 爀愀搀椀挀愀氀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀 椀渀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀ 匀栀攀 渀漀琀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀攀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀攀  ഊpopulation reduction that resulted from the Black Death did not ਀猀甀戀猀琀愀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 愀氀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀愀洀椀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀匀琀攀昀愀渀ഊ-------- ਀吀䠀䰀漀爀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀    䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䈀爀礀渀 䜀眀氀愀搀    䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 㘀㘀 漀昀 㘀㘀ഊ ਊ