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child-tags-msg - 5/20/12

 

Using various tags to identify children at SCA events.

 

NOTE: See also the files: children-msg, children-SCA-lnks, toys-msg, chd-actvites-msg, tokens-msg, event-pricing-msg, reservations-msg.

 

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From: "Hawke" <ankashai at gmail.com>

Date: April 27, 2008 9:45:01 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Kingdom Law regarding Children Under 12 - Please read and cross p

 

<snip>

<<< As for identification of youth, perhaps a token secured to the

youths clothing, belt would be a neat idea. A wooden token with the

child and parent guardian painted, inscribed, burned or laminated on

the token would be a good idea. I would be happy to help design and

manufacture them. >>>

 

Dogtags also seem to work well -- there are printing machines at

places like Walmart and Petsmart, and you can let your kids chose the

design ( military dogtags, hearts, 'dog' dogtags, whatever ). Perhaps

not exactly period, but they're easy to keep track of and seem to be

harder for kids to accidentally lose.

 

 

From: "Carrie Barnes" <Grainnemhicneill at gmail.com>

Date: April 27, 2008 9:48:38 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Kingdom Law regarding Children Under 12 - Please read and cross post

 

Please do not advocate putting this information anywhere visible. I realize

that this is supposed to be for safety reasons but my mundane children +

safety training says to avoid putting the child's name on their clothing

where it can be read by anyone. The reason for this is that anyone wishing

to do a child harm gains confidence in the child when they can address them

by name. I would like to think that this wouldn't happen here but as we

unfortunately have all seen, it can happen anywhere.

 

Grainne mhic Neill

 

 

From: "Joyce Reitor" <joycereitor at gmail.com>

Date: April 27, 2008 9:56:04 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Kingdom Law regarding Children Under 12 - Please read and cross post

 

> Please do not advocate putting this information anywhere visible. I realize

> that this is supposed to be for safety reasons but my mundane children +

> safety training says to avoid putting the childs name on their clothing

> where it can be read by anyone.

 

The information does not have to openly visible. However, upon

request from a constable, the child must be able to immediately

present the identification. A few suggestions can be a lamented card

placed in the child's pouch or military style dog tags that could be

worn beneath the child's clothes. I have found quite a few websites

that offer different style of identification materials for a

reasonable price. If you are interested in any of these sites, please

contact me at joycereitor at gmail.com and I will gladly forward them to

you.

 

Aubray

 

 

From: Susan Baker <sireenadeartopeous at yahoo.com>

Date: April 28, 2008 7:21:55 PM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Kingdom Law regarding Children Under 12 - Please read and cross post

 

There have been several parents who embroider the information inside a little flap at the back neckline of their child - this worked wonderfully!!

 

Sireena

 

Joyce Reitor <joycereitor at gmail.com> wrote:

The information does not have to openly visible. However, upon

request from a constable, the child must be able to immediately

present the identification.

 

 

From: Jena Kirby <lamiablk at yahoo.com>

Date: March 5, 2009 2:17:20 PM CST

To: Ansteorra <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: [Ansteorra] Interesting Idea for Kids at War

 

I just ran across a cool idea that I thought might interest some parents who are taking their kids to war. It's a safety "tattoo" that lasts about 5 days. You can either design your own or get write-in ones.

 

http://www.safetytat.com/

 

HE Wu

 

 

From: Brandon McDermott <brandonsmcd at yahoo.com>

Date: April 17, 2009 9:37:48 AM CDT

To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Feeding toddlers at events

 

I posted a while back about "REMOVABLE CHILD INFO/SAFETY TATTOOS". They are awesome and cheap. Just Google them.

Lochlan

 

 

From: "Megan Timperley/ Sayyidi Umm Ya'kub Rayya al-Zahra' bint Fath al-Badawiyya" <scarayya at GMAIL.COM>

Date: July 8, 2011 8:29:31 AM CDT

To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu

Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] kids gone wild

 

I've just finished a favor for my toddler to use at Pennsic, on the very slim chance he gets away from me...
It has a design from our sheet wall on it, and a pocket inside that holds a laminated card. On that card is all the tracking/contact information anyone needs to return him if he gets lost, with on and off site numbers, health details and such things.

It maynt work for older kids, but something like that for younger ones is nice...

Rayya

 

 

From: Sarah Gutekunst <gutekunst at GPCOM.NET>

Date: July 8, 2011 10:11:13 AM CDT

To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu

Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] kids gone wild

Both of my children wear "favors".  I had dog tags engraved with thier names, our names, our barony and my cell phone number on them.  They are attached to black and yellow tablet woven bands and hang from the belt.  The tags are so shiny that they are hard to miss.  And my kids love the idea of wearing my favor.

I have also specifically taught my youngest, (he's 4) that if he is lost he finds the nearest shiny hat (they are all crowns to him) and shows them his favor.  He's kind of adult shy, so for him to have to try to explain that he's lost might be hard for him.  But he's always ready to show off his favor.  He's quite proud of it!  While I realize that there is a slight chance that this might someday cause him to interrupt the Crown if he gets lost, I can't imagine anyone sitting the Calontir Throne that would have a problem with that.

And he's always adult supervised, to the point that I bring a babysitter to war.  3 adults for 2 kids, and still sometimes the kids outnumber us.  :)

Seraphina

 

 

From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>

Date: February 7, 2012 10:18:32 PM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca

 

On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, donnelshaw at aol.com wrote:

<<< That is why today we ask parents to put the child's name on the

inside of the back pack or the part next to their body so it can not

be read from a distance. >>>

 

I don't suppose I can suggest the child wearing a tabard of their

parent's / parents' arms suitably differenced, as long as the parent*

are displaying the undifferenced arms?  It's visible ID, it doesn't

reveal the child's name (unless it happens to be "Number Two Son" or

"Crescent"), and yay! more heraldry!

 

Dankyn de Lyncoln

 

 

From: Hugh & Belinda Niewoehner <BurgBorrendohl at valornet.com>

Date: February 7, 2012 10:19:51 PM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca

 

On 2/7/2012 10:08 PM, donnelshaw at aol.com wrote:

<<< Hospital wrist bands will still give you access to the child's info but can not be read from a distance. >>>

 

Amen!  It should have the parents info, not the child's.  "A return to ... kind of info."  If I had a kid, they would wear that as a tattoo.  We put chips in our pets, don't we?  My husband travels a lot for his job and I have been know to put our phone number on a hidden part of his body just in case he ends up in a hospital (or God forbid somewhere worse).  Muggers might steal his ID with the wallet.  I don't want him ending up somewhere as a "John Doe".

 

Ismet

 

 

From: Benjamin Berry <bbwaco at yahoo.com>

Date: February 7, 2012 11:19:42 PM CST

To: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>, "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca

 

From: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>:

<<< I have temporary tattoos printed with my telephone number on them. I apply them to my kiddos before we go to crowded events (festivals, etc., because I don't generally take them to SCA events). They know the number, but if they were injured and were unable to relay it, there it is on their arm. You could do the same thing on the cheap with a marker or pen.

 

-R >>>

 

another thought is that any Army surplus will make custom tags cheaply. have them put mommy and daddy's Cell numbers on the tag...with SCA names or mundane if you want. Little one can have it in a pocket, tied on the belt, or on a leather cord under garb. They are very hard to read from a distance but very clear when needed.

 

just my two cents....take it as you will.

 

 

From: Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>

Date: February 8, 2012 1:18:50 AM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca

 

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Stefan li Rous

<StefanliRous at austin.rr.com> wrote:

<<< I think that this is a wonderful resource, but I'm not sure how I would find such a store. Academy Surplus used to be an army surplus store, but they are more of a sporting goods store now. >>>

 

There are places online where you can order personal dog tags that are

designed for runners, etc. who want ID on them, but don't have

pockets. There are the traditional tag on a ball chain style and ones

that you lace onto your shoes. I have one for when I'm out walking or

biking alone. I bought one for François since he travels so much, but

he got tired of keeping track of it after going through the TSA.

 

--Perronnelle

 

 

From: Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain <padraig_ruad at yahoo.com>

Date: February 8, 2012 9:16:14 AM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Child ID Tags (was:Children in the Sca)

 

Another readily available option might be an actual dog tag - available at any Petsmart or other pet supply store, machine engraved while you wait with the information you want for less than $10.  String it on a chain, ribbon or bracelet, or pin it to the child's clothing, like military style tags it can only be read close up.

 

Padraig

 

 

From: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>

Date: February 8, 2012 12:38:10 AM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca

 

They offer several kinds, including a write-on tattoo where you could write your cell number, camp area, or anything else. Of course, you can do this without a tattoo, as well, but my kiddos think they're fun. I got them from:

 

http://www.safetytat.com

 

-R

 

 

From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>

Date: February 8, 2012 6:19:07 AM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca

 

<<< I don't suppose I can suggest the child wearing a tabard of their

parent's / parents' arms suitably differenced, as long as the parent*

are displaying the undifferenced arms?  It's visible ID, it doesn't

reveal the child's name (unless it happens to be "Number Two Son" or

"Crescent"), and yay! more heraldry!

 

Dankyn de Lyncoln >>>

 

We did something like that when our kids were little. They wore a "Daddy banner"--a small copy of my arms, pinned to their clothes.

 

It was never needed because we kept a close eye on the kids when they were real little and taught them to be sensible and responsible as they got bigger.

 

When my granddaughter was here for the White Scarf 30th Anniversary a couple of years ago, she got to wear the Daddy banner, too.

 

 

From: Adria Lorelle <alorelle at sbcglobal.net>

Date: February 8, 2012 8:09:57 PM CST

To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Child ID Tags

 

We use to have favors with name, parents name, and group on one side and blank on the other side so the children could personalize themselves.

Adria

 

--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Cait O'Hara <moc at seneschal.ansteorra.org> wrote:

<<< One thing that Gulf Wars does is to put wrist bands out at troll. They offer the bands for each parent to put on their child if they wish. It has a place to put the parent's name, number and where they are camping.

 

Cait >>>

 

 

From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>

Date: February 9, 2012 6:23:50 AM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Child ID Tags

 

<< One thing that Gulf Wars does is to put wrist bands out at troll. They

offer the bands for each parent to put on their child if they wish. It

has a place to put the parent's name, number and where they are

camping.

 

Cait >>

 

<<< I think that this should be made a requirement, not just be made

available. Again, one of the reasons is to show that the SCA is making

efforts to safeguard the child, as well as, I think, these bands being

useful.

 

How do you get all that info onto a wrist band though? Or are these

wider than the half-inch wide band I am imagining?

 

If these were removable, and thus re-useable, would we have problems

with children taking them off and losing them (or swapping them?) or

do they need to be the type that you can't easily remove without

destroying them?

 

Stefan >>>

 

Back when Ansteorra was doing the wristband-thing, the bands were about an inch wide. They could not usually be removed unless the fastening was deliberately loose so the kid could slide it off. Normally they would have to be cut off. (They were hospital ID wristbands, you don't want the patients removing them on a whim.)

 

On the other hand, by the time our kids were around six or seven, they thought the wristbands were a waste of time--they knew who they were, who their parents were and where our campsite and listfield pavillion was located. They also had sense enough not to wander off and get lost.

 

       -Tivar Moondragon

 

 

From: Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com>

Date: February 9, 2012 9:45:47 AM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Child ID Tags

 

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com> wrote:

<<< On the other hand, by the time our kids were around six or seven, they

thought the wristbands were a waste of time--they knew who they were, who

their parents were and where our campsite and listfield pavillion was

located. They also had sense enough not to wander off and get lost. >>>

 

That's the thing. In schools, children are taught -- and quizzed! -- to

remember their parents' names, their phone number, and sometimes even their

house address, in kindergarten. (Okay, so my oldest kid confused her

teacher to no end when she reported that her parents were "...and Emma"...)

We parents should add SCA information to that list for events. Younger than

that, or unable to report useful info when questioned by an adult, and they

probably do need a tag of some sort. But not necessarily *always*:

 

Kid #1, when she was very young, would completely freak out when a

wristband was attached. I'm not talking the usual toddler "I don't like

that" fits, I'm talking giant panicing wailing fits. Which would you rather

have near you at an event: an all-smiles toddler who won't travel further

than her 10' invisible leash from mom (without freaking out), or a

shrieking and crying upset child? Yeah.

 

Kid #2, when she was very young, was much more mellow, but also wouldn't

wander off. Even now that she's 7, she still won't, even if I want her to.

:)  Kid #1 when she got to be about 7-8, wanted to wander off (to

children's activities, to play, etc), and I made sure she had a tag then --

usually sewn to the back of her belt, which she much preferred to a plastic

wristtag. Now that she's 12, I don't bother tagging her at all.

 

This sounds like I'm fairly anti-tag, but I'm not, really: I just want

people to recognize that we need some flexibility. Some kids like to

wander, some don't.

 

-Emma

 

 

From: Jolene Graves <meraud90 at gmail.com>

Date: February 12, 2012 10:44:07 AM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children ID Tags!

 

When my kids were younger I either has a favor on their belt or a tabord.

Embroidery or fabric paint the information. With the favors I put the

mundane information on the back.

 

On Feb 11, 2012 7:20 PM, "Pukhta &apos;Pooky&apos; Lovtsevich" <

pookyloves at gmail.com> wrote:

 

<<< Good and Wonderful Day Ansteorra,

 

I have thought for many years that a form of I.D. Tag for children is

a necessary thing to have happen.

 

Pooky Story Time:

 

Often, all too often, a child is not with their parent or legal

guardian and experience a momentary laps of happiness.

 

So there is a upset crying child, mild to moderately hysterical, and

either too young or too upset or too unfamiliar to share their

parental or legal guardian's information such as SCA Name, Camping

Group / Household or SCA Group.

 

What I need on a Children ID Tag, minimally, is:

 

Child's Name

Par / Leg Guar's SCA Name

Group e,g, Wolfstar or Hellsgate or Pooky's Friend (for new people

they could list the person that introduced them to the SCA)

Phone Number (I think parent's should carry their phone and be

permitted to step to one side and answer their phone without getting

attitude for funging up the period schwe' of others)

 

Another Pooky Point:

 

It would be really really helpful if Parents and Legal Guardians would

make sure their child knows where their Child ID Tag is on their

personage.

 

A 6'6", 320 pound, bald, serious-looking male rifling over the outer

garments of a crying-hysterical child, might appear unseemly.

 

Mandating a specific place the Child ID Tag is carried probably wont

work cause some kid wont like it, and therefore less accepting and

compliant.

Mandating the type of id tag probably wouldn't work because some

Parents and Legal Guardians or Children Youths or Minors would for

example prefer it sewn into the garb than worn around the neck.

 

In my humble opinion, mandating children be identifiable by a means

other than their upset voice is good for them, and I think good for

the SCA.

 

More educated officers than I should consider what if Ansteorra

provided each (location) group plenty, like 50-100 tags (like keychain

or luggage) to write the previously mentioned information upon. These

could be made available at gate at events, at populous meetings, etc.

Then the SCA could say we make available the means by which children

can be identified, and it is of course the responsibility of the

parent or legal guardian to follow up and administer the process.

Wouldn't that be a step that shows the legal world that we as a group

have taken a(nother) step to help ensure child safety and lower the

possibility of indemnification for the SCA?

 

More Pooky Story:

 

Picture if you will hearing a crying child in a parking lot, with a

lord in a simple attempt at a tunic or a lady in a dress... Parent or

Predator? and this moment is possibly the last chance in this life for

the child.

 

I fear that every day I am at an event.

 

We are so open, and assume in ways that Respect is commonplace {at

least that's me} that we as a group need to ensure the SCA lowers

indemnification probability and oh yes have a way to get a child back

into the responsible hands of the correct Parent or Legal Gruardian..

 

Assuming Parents and Legal Guardians will maintain the responsibility

to make sure something doesn't come back on the SCA, isn't realistic.

 

Assuming Parents and Legal Guardians will be on time to pick up their

charge after an MoC Activity, isn't realistic.

 

Respect and Loving Gratitude,

Honorable Baron Pukhta 'Pooky' Lovetsevich

Compass Rose

Northern Regional Minister of Children

(Prospective) Ansteorran Youth and Family Council Representative >>>

 

<the end>



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