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The Siege Cooking Contest at the Estrella War in 2009.


NOTE: See also the files: siege-cooking-msg, SC-Outlandish-msg, SC-Potrero-art, SC-Talonvale-msg, cookg-compet-msg, cookg-classes-msg, Mystry-AS-Cmp-art.





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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:58:05 -0700

From: "Kathleen A Roberts" <karobert at unm.edu>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] back from war - siege cooking

To: SCA-Cooks at ansteorra.org


back home safe and sound, tho the vehicle had its problems

coming home... (another mechanic's child gets to go to



anyhoo, siege cooking was great.   very challenging.

congratulations to the cooks of artemesia on their win.

the outlands came in second, followed by atenveldt.  caid

did not  mount a team.


our team consisted of two experienced cooks (Gwen-Cat and

myself), one intermediate (lady auria) and two wonderful

novices (lord cedric and lord tyron).  ya gotta learn some

time!  our diswasher and judge extraordinaire (countess

claudia and mistress aldyth respectively) were fantastic.

lord cedric had built his very own beehive oven in the

camp of the college of st. golias, and it was used to full



we got a few ingredients that stymied us (why, o why do we

outlanders have such a problem with farm raised venison?

perhaps our stalwart hunters have us spoiled with the

wild stuff!)


so here is a listing of ingredients and what we made for a

Russian (!) theme...


i think i have this right... if not, Gwen-Cat or Aldyth can

correct me on the positioning. 8) we got more herbs than

anyone could imagine, and several unusual ingredients

(kefir, kasha). unfortunately, i can no longer remember

which dish the spaetzle accompanied...






Venison Loin

Pork Tenderloin









Flour (unbleached wheat)


Butter (1 pound!)

Kefir (i thought it was buttermilk)

Vinegar (apple cider)






Fresh sage

Fresh mint

Fresh bay

Fresh dill


Black pepper (fine ground)

White pepper (fine ground - had us stumped a bit)





Ground Clove

Ground Cinnamon





from the pantry

not much to pick from...  rye flour and YES! more






First Course - Relish tray and Breads


Venison tartare

Pickled turnips (cloves)

Pickled beets (bay)

Pickled eggs (bay)

Pickled carrots (caraway)

Radishes (not pickled) 8)

Kasha bread with seeds (fennel, caraway, etc)

Prune filled kollach style bread



Water flavored with mint, vinegar and honey


Second Course - Pork


Pork stuffed cabbage in a vegetable broth


Roast honeyed sage pork stuffed with prunes

Roast carrots

Spaetzle (?)


A bit of mead to clear the palate


Third Course - Venison


Venison/turnip roulades in a mead and honey glaze

Candied beets and carrots


Venison cubes marinated in kefir with kefir/dill sauce

Kasha with onions sauted in butter

( I do believe this was the hit of the day)


Dessert - Prun-iliciousness


Blini (rye and wheat blend)

Prunes (whole) stewed in mead, cinnamon, cloves and honey

Warm spiced mead



Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:40:45 -0700

From: "Kathleen A Roberts" <karobert at unm.edu>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] back from war - siege cooking

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com> wrote:

<<< Cailte said:

This was at the recent Estrella War, right? >>>




<<< Was each kingdom limited to a single team each? >>>


yes, one team per kingdom, and if a kingdom does not mount

a team, a wild card team can come in.


<<< What do you mean you had a problem with the farm raised >>>


it was so mild.   we poked it, sniffed it, cut off an

cooked a little piece, even tasted the blood.  we thought

it was beef tenderloin it was so mild.





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:14:12 -0700

From: Deborah Hammons <mistressaldyth at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] back from war - siege cooking

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


My way more than 2 cents:

I have been fortunate to be the Outlands judge for all 4 years. Each year

has been a learning experience for  the cooking teams, the judges, and the

period encampment.  I still cringe at the title of Siege cooking, rather

than Combat cooking for the Estrella competition.  I feel strongly in a

siege situation you are intimately familiar with your larder and should not

have to identify the ingredients you are given.  In a combat cooking

situation (Iron Chef) it is more important to do the identifying.


The judging forms have changed every year.  This year they used the one from

the Southern Crusades.


The obstacles:


Documentation is not required, but the teams are graded lower if it is not



Heavy consideration is given to presentation, ambiance, and sanitation.

Hand washing even if it was not demonstrated to be a practice in the time

and place.  Forks or no forks.


I am going to try and send a better judging form for them to use next year.

I think the teams would benefit from seeing those forms before the

competition so they know just what they need to accomplish in each area.  It

has to be better than going from Wow to Edible.  And they really do need to

decide if they want a documentable re creation of food, or seat of the pants





And Cailte, if you have that bread recipe with the buckwheat groats in it.

Pretty Please?


On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Susan Fox <selene at earthlink.net> wrote:

<<< Following more than one thread here.  Congratulations to the victors of

Siege Cookery!  I have judged it before and hoo doggies, that is a LOT of

work and discussion to decide amongst even two complete presentations.

Three were nearly impossible, and I had to say I was relived that no other

kingdoms entered.  [We did come up with an Inter-Kingdom Stupid Peer

Trick... but that's another story.] >>>


<the end>

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