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Histories of the SCA Gulf Wars event.

 

NOTE: See also the files: P-history-msg, P-stories-msg, SCA-hist3-msg,

SCA-Stories-msg, child-stories-msg, Anst-hist-msg, Trim-hist-msg,

Meridies-hist-msg.

 

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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  Lord Stefan li Rous

    RSVE60 at email.sps.mot.com             stefan at texas.net

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:20:49 -0600

To: markh at risc.sps.mot.com (Mark S. Harris)

From: Paul Greene <finnian at flash.net>

Subject: Re: GULF WARS  was Great

 

>Huh??? What were these "Assault Elephants" and this "siege armadillo"?

>I did not get to watch the battles as I was off doing some blacksmithing

>and other classes.

>--

>Ld. Stefan li Rous     Barony of Bryn Gwlad        Ansteorra

>Per pale gules and or, a ram's head caboshed, counterchanged

 

  Where to begin..........? Ok, During the first castle battle on Saturday

morning.  Ansteorra began the battle as defenders of the castle.  When the

marshalls were explaining the particular rules for the engagement, they made

mention of elephants of all things.  Taking a peek around the left side

(ours) confirmed this. Trimaris had constructed 2 ten foot tall rolling

siege towers to which were affixed cardboard elephant heads and the whole of

which were painted elephant grey.  Atop these wonderous monsrosities were

half a dozen or so archers. Needless to say, our ballistae crews went

a-hunting elephant.  Much to my delight, one of the elephants even had an

eyepatch and scarred ears ROFL!!!

 

  When preparing for our assault phase, we were again advised about the

rules concerning battering rams.  Trimaris had this HUGE foam battering ram

that was flesh colored and was nothing more than functional double entendre.

They had to use it more than once as their crew was unprotected and kept

getting killed off. But then Ansteorra wheeled in what could only be

described as a giant armadillo on wheels with a crew of six.  Constructed of

plywood, chainlink fencing, and corrugated plastic sheeting it was.  It was

painted grey and had a rear door and a trapdoor on top which was opened so

that a crewman could pop out and taunt the Trimarians.  It was wheeled up to

the gate and from the prow extruded a cow skull on a pole with a soft pokey

tip.  This they used to "batter" the gate until it was flung wide open.  The

crew then turned the engine sideways in the gate to block it while the

Trimarians promptly began probing for chinks and open hatches with pikes.

Eventually, they were able to get at the crew who took their shots

gracefully and emerged to a great roaring cheer to run back and get some

water.  The whole episode was hilarious!  You really missed some fun. :(

 

Finnian  

 

 

Subject: ANST - Past GW stories -- the start of Gulf War

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 99 13:37:12 MST

From: Amy Forsyth <aforsyth at UH.EDU>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

 

Since we're all just sitting around, why don't we rehash some of the past

Gulf Wars?

 

I was there at the very start of this whole thing....

 

Lord Blackwolf from Trimaris was visiting Ansteorra to attend school.

Since he was a student, someone put him in contact with me since I was the

acting Hospitaler for the College of Twr Cath.

 

I got a phone call from him on Thurs. night asking when Their Majesties

would be near Stargate again --- he said he needed to talk to them.

Stargate was holding an event that very weekend (I believe it was Stargate

Baronial)..... it was being held at Jellystone Park near Hempstead, TX ---

and they weren't scheduled to be near the area again for several months.  I

wasn't planning on going, but I ended up picking him up on Sat. morning and

we made dash up to the event.

 

After asking some seasoned SCA veterans who we needed to talk to, Ld.

Blackwolf was put in contact with the Kingdom Seneschal, Sir Rhodri.

That's the last I saw and heard from Blackwolf for the entire event, with

one exception....Court.

 

At Court that evening Ld. Blackwolf was called forward.  He threw down a

mailed gauntlet, issued the challenge, and the challenge was accepted.

 

From there it was up to the various Kingdoms Seneschals & etc. to work out

the specifics.

 

Adela

 

 

Subject: ANST - Past GW stories -- GW I

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 99 13:33:18 MST

From: Amy Forsyth <aforsyth at UH.EDU>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

 

What do I remember about Gulf War I?

 

For one thing, of the Gulf Wars that I've been to, it's still my favorite.

 

The layout of the site was very different.

 

The broad, flat field where the merchants are located now was the melee

field.  Pavilions were set up along the back side of the field where the

road runs.   The Ansteorran encampment was in the area of the cabins ---

and it wasn't crowded by any means.  There were also a lot more woods

(which have now been cut out to make more camping space).

 

For the most part, the days were very hot and very dusty, and the nights

were cool and humid.

 

The one thing that everyone talks about from GW I is the woods battle and

how the woods won.  The woods battle took place behind the Ansteorran

encampment.... most of those woods have now been cut down.

 

I stayed up by the melee field during the battle.  We could occasionally

hear a clash of metal and some yells, but mostly everything at the melee

field was hot and still; simply a bunch of ladies having a conversation and

trying to stay cool.  After a good length of time we saw Duke Sigmund come

trotting up the road out of the Ansteorran encampment, coming from the

woods battle.  He trotted up to the Royal Pavilion, knelt, gave a brief

report to Her Majesty, and then got up and trotted off to the Royal

Encampment to report....

 

I went down to the woods to see what was going on and saw the first

fighters beginning to emerge from the woods.  Everyone that came out of

there was soaked through in sweat, overly hot, and tired.  Fighters were

coming out arm in arm, carrying each other as it were.  Some fighters had

stripped off their armor in the woods and were either carrying their armor

out, or had left the armor in the woods.  Some of the fighters still in

good condition were carrying both another fighter and that fighter's armor.

Several fighters made trips back into the woods to rescue those that

couldn't make it out.  There was a line of waterbearers just inside the

edge of the woods checking on each of the fighters and trying to safely

rehydrate them.

 

[Hint for the future:  If you're ever in a situation like this, leave your

armor on and walk out if you can (even with assistance).  Armor on the body

is easier to carry than armor off the body.]

 

What I can't get over, to this day, is how fighters that were half the age

of Duke Sigmund were struggling to get out of the woods...... and yet he

trotted out of the woods and all the way over to the Royal Encampment, with

a detour by the Royal Pavilion.

 

Who else has Gulf War stories to tell?

 

Adela

 

 

Subject: Re: ANST - Past GW stories -- GW I

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 99 15:06:15 MST

From: Baronman at aol.com

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

 

>What I can't get over, to this day, is how fighters that were half the age

>of Duke Sigmund were struggling to get out of the woods...... and yet he

>trotted out of the woods and all the way over to the Royal Encampment, with

>a detour by the Royal Pavilion.

 

   I think you are refering to Gareth- Duke Sigmund's squire at the time. He

was wearing Duke Sigmunds armor for the woods battle.  Duke Sigmund was other

places doing official mucky muck stuff.  Gareth was camped next to my Baroness

and myself, and was reported as one of the first out of the disaster of the

woods battle.  He was instrumental in getting help and water bearers from all

over the encampments into the woods to render assistance.

 

    There were some serious problems from overheating that day.  Some of the

fighters physically could not walk out of the woods and were too exhausted to

yell for help.  I for one went into the woods with my spear, walked down a

ravine and up the gulley and then had to stop about 75 yards into the woods.I

could not stand to move any farther.   I helped get several others out and

pointed many others in the direction of the road wher water bearers and pickup

trucks were waiting to haul those unable to walk into the campsites.  To this

day, there are myths about people finding old rusted armor from where fighters

had dropped it in the woods and couldn't remember where they left it.  This

woods battle was possibly the most overheated I have ever been in my 15

years in the Society.

 

One who was there and did it.

 

Baron Bors

 

 

Subject: ANST - Re: Past GW stories -- GW I

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 99 15:43:08 MST

From: Amy Forsyth <aforsyth at UH.EDU>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

 

>>What I can't get over, to this day, is how fighters that were half the age

>>of Duke Sigmund were struggling to get out of the woods...... and yet he

>>trotted out of the woods and all the way over to the Royal Encampment, with

>>a detour by the Royal Pavilion.

>   I think you are refering to Gareth- Duke Sigmund's squire at the time. He

>was wearing Duke Sigmunds armor for the woods battle.  Duke Sigmund was other

>places doing official mucky muck stuff.  Gareth was camped next to my Baroness

>and myself, and was reported as one of the first out of the disaster of the

>woods battle.  He was instrumental in getting help and water bearers from all

>over the encampments into the woods to render assistance.

 

>Baron Bors

 

Nope.... it was Sigmund....

 

I definitely remember this. Sigmund's clothing, body-build, bearing, and

voice.....

 

I got to the woods just as the first fighters were emerging..... someone

was already yelling at the waterbearers to come and help (but telling them

not to go into the woods because there was still some fighting going on)

--- That was probably Gareth.

 

Christoforo was in the woods battle too.  I think he ended up making 3

trips back into the woods to bring individuals and their armor out.

 

Adela

 

 

Subject: Re: ANST - Past GW stories -- GW I

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 99 21:42:51 MST

From: Chris and Elisabeth Zakes <moondrgn at bga.com>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

 

One of the nice things I remember about GW I was seeing Alfric Northwind

receive the first White Scarf of Trimaris. He'd been working hard to get

rapier fighting going in Trimaris, and had spent several months getting the

White Scarf Treaty approved and signed by the Ansteorran and Outlandish

Crowns. It was a pleasure to see all his work being rewarded.

 

And oh boy, do I remember that Woods "Battle". We marched into the woods,

encountered a small (maybe 5 or 6 fighters) group of Trimarians, wiped them

out and continued marching down the trail. Then we marched some more, and

some more. When we were about halfway to Alabama, and hadn't seen *anybody*

for over half an hour, the leaders of our group realized that something was

seriously wrong, and we turned around and marched back. Somewhere along the

way, we got mixed up so that *nobody* in our group knew which way to go to

get out of the woods.

 

As has already been mentioned, it was beastly hot and humid. To make

matters worse, the powers-that-be had decreed that it wasn't safe for the

waterbearers to go into the woods with the fighters, so we had been

marching around in that heat in full armor for something like 45 minutes at

that point with *no* water. I have *never* been that hot and dehydrated at

an event before or since (including several Barbarian Invitationals, and

the last three summer Queen's Champions, where the temperature was well

over 100).

 

I finally found someone who pointed me in the right direction to get out,

and once out, I just sat by the side of the road for another half hour

until I cooled off enough to get back to my tent. I remember the heralds

going through the camp asking everyone to make sure that no one in their

party was missing--there was a serious concern that fighters may have been

lost or collapsed in the woods.

 

Later reconstruction suggested that the fighting area in the woods had not

been very clearly marked, and my group had marched out of bounds shortly

after hitting the first group of Trimarians, and just kept going farther

and farther into no-man's-land.

 

That particular incident ranks well up in my "Top ten things I don't *ever*

want to do again in the SCA" list.

 

        -Tivar Moondragon

                Ansteorra

 

 

Subject: Re: ANST - GW Date Discussion Was (Sigh)

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 99 12:43:42 MST

From: "Galen W. Bevel" <galenbv at ix.netcom.com>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG

 

Jackie wrote:

> You know...it seems as if there is a real concern for those of us who are

> educators.  There are many of us in the education field who play and we only

> seem to get to attend once every couple of years for this reason.  What was

> the original reason for changing the event from June to March...other than

> heat.  Is the site booked through the summer for other events?  Just

> wondering.

> Ulrica

 

A very wet, and disappointed Galen Kirchenbauer here, just back from the

rained out War.  Since I was Kingdom Seneschal when the decision to move

the war was made, I will try to explain why it was moved.  Most of you

remember the heat from the first Gulf War, and the number of prostrate

bodies removed from the woods after the woods battle.  The second war

was not much better, even without the woods battle. People, even those

not fighting, were just having too much trouble with the heat in June.

So the seneschal of Trimaris and I , along with our respective crowns

and those of Trimaris, got together and decided that we would look for

a better time for the War. We wanted a time when people would still be

able to get off to attend, but when the weather would be more amenable.

We looked at three day weekends in the fall, decided that it would still

be too hot in September and too close to Pennsic as well, no good

weekends in October, and later than that approached the year end

Holidays too closely.  We finally decided that spring break would be the

best we could do, even though it did not fall on the same date for every

one.  We tried to find out which date would be the best for the greatest

number of people for the next war, chose that date, and tried it out.

Until this year, it has worked fairly well weather wise.  Although it

has occasionally been rainy or, more often, cold, overall the weather

for the spring Gulf Wars has been very good.

 

I am not sure how early they are setting dates for the War now, but my

suspiscion would be that by now the date for next year is already set,

or is being set at meetings today or tomorrow. If you can come up with a

time that the war can be held when everyone can attend, and when we

won't have to cart people off to the hospital for the heat, talk to Sir

Burke (the kingdom seneschal) and Baron Lucais (the current Gulf War

liason) and of course the crown.  It may be that even if we can't change

it for next year, we could for Gulf War X.

--

Galen W. or Rebecca Bevel

 

<the end>



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