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AS-events-msg - 1/12/96

A&S events in the SCA.

NOTE: See also the files: 5x8-Doc-art, AS-compet-msg, AS-classes-msg,
AS-classes-lst, AS-ideas-msg, AS-cont-docu-msg, AS-food-msg.


This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that
I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some
messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.

This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium.
These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org

I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with
seperate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes
extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were
removed to save space and remove clutter.

The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I
make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the
individual authors.

Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these
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credit to the orignator(s).

Thank you,
Mark S. Harris AKA: Lord Stefan li Rous
mark.s.harris@motorola.com stefan@florilegium.org

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: kreyling@lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966)
Subject: Re: On Collegiums
Organization: Loral Data Systems
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 13:37:25 GMT

bloodthorn@sloth.equinox.gen.nz (Jennifer Geard) writes:
>Greetings from Pagan...
>Charles Toutourien asked for advice on running a collegium for his barony,
>and Erik of Telemark answered:
> > The important difference between a collegium and any other event is you
> > MUST have an classcrat whose entire job is organizing classes. Keep all
> > the other crats as they are: autocrat, feastcrat, reservationcrat etc.
> [deletia]
> > The collegiums I have run almost run as a subset of the event. The
> > framework of the event supports the needs of the instructors and students
> > while the collegium is going on (food, crash space, entertainment or
> > diversions while not in class).
>This has piqued my curiosity -- you do catered feasts with your collegia?
>You have a separate person to take care of reservations? Are these kingdom
>collegia, with a couple of hundred people from all over the place? (Like the
>ones kingdom officers keep asking us to attend. ;-)
Most of our Trimarian events, either local or Kingdom, are weekend events at
campsites. Organized feasts are usually presented to a portion of the attendees
even if it is a one day event. It's just the way we are. Our usual crat crew
consists of the following: Autocrat(person overall responsible for the event);
Feastcrat(responsible for feeding the masses);
Reservationscrat(responsible for money, reservations
cabin assignments etc.);
Site herald(responsible for announcements, schedule
change information.)

In the case of collegia we add a classcrat(responsible for organizing,supporting
and monitoring classes.)

> > This will free up the classcrat to concentrate on finding instructors,
> > support equipment (ie power, tables, light, water, etc.), and scheduling.
>Question: what's the autocrat doing? Or is this just a scale thing?
>IMExperience most of the organising is in doing the scheduling, painting
>mental pictures to the people involved, and taking care of any last-minute
>disasters (like being locked out of one of the rooms). Relax and improvise.
>And talk to people lots.
> Pagan

After deleting 60 lines of suggestions for the "classcrat" to worry about during
an event I find your question interesting. In Trimaris 80% of our population is
within 4 hours driving time from any Trimarian event. We routinely get 700-1000
attendees at Kingdom events and 100-200 attendees at local events. We always
have alternative activities for people who are between classes or not taking
classes. In my organizatiional plan the classcrat handles everyone who is
in class or wants to take or teach a class. This includes scheduling, equipment
support, water for instructors and students, chirurgeon coverage for combat or
weapons classes, collecting class roles for the Trimarian Royal University and
unplaned emergencies. The Autocrat, Feastcrat, Reservationcrat handle the
support systems outside the classes. This includes, games and entertainment,
sleeping arrangements, food, collection of entry fees, parking and dragon
control, schedule announcement, lifeguards for the pools and unplaned


P.S. Do not limit your teaching resources just to those within your kingdom.
My wife and I have travelled several times to Meridies and Atlantia to teach.
Trimariis has several times reimbersed "experts" from outside the kingdom for
travel expenses to come and teach at our collegiums.

Ed Kreyling | Master Erik of Telemark O.L.,O.P.
kreyling@world.lds.loral.com | Shire of Brineside Moor
Sarasota,Fl. USA | Kingdom of Trimaris, SCA

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: steffan@world.std.com (Steven H Mesnick)
Subject: Re: Crat crap (was Re: On Collegiums)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 01:58:49 GMT

Reservationocrat = Ostler
Feastocrat = Chief Cook / Viander
Classocrat = Rector or Dean (cf. Univ. of Carolingia)
Troll = Warder (or Hallward, thanks Arval!)

It's easy. All you have to do is *care* .

From: DDF2@cornell.edu (David Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Medieval University (was Re: Membership, a tangent)
Date: 7 Oct 1993 14:23:01 GMT
Organization: Cornell Law School

> Thomas asked:
> > Has anyone out there in Rialtoland ever tried to re-create a medieval
> > university at an event, rather than the "standard SCA university"
> > Arval mentions above. That is, an event calling itself a University
> > wherein there were classes in the Trivium and Quadrivium.

And Arval responded:
> Carolingia did it a couple years ago; the event was organized largely by
> Master Anton Winteroak. I missed it, alas, but by all reports it was quite
> successful.
> Another approach might be to offer an in-persona class or two at any event.

How time passes. The Carolingian University used to be a regular annual
event, with in persona university type lectures and a student quarter.

So far as in persona classes, Bhakail, many years ago, had a regular event
called the Schola. It consisted entirely of classes taught in persona. It
differed from the university in that the classes covered a range of
different things that we and our personae might want to know about, and the
personae were from the usual range of times and places.


Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: mfy@sli.com (Mike Yoder)
Subject: SCA university classes (was Re: Membership, a tangent)
Organization: Software Leverage, Inc. Arlington, Ma
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 16:54:18 GMT

Greetings to all and especially to Angharad ver' Rhuawn, who wrote:

>There are three _different_ proposals here. One is to teach courses in
>the Trivium and Quadrivium; the second is to have the faculty be in
>persona while they do this; the third is to have the students that way
>The first, I think, is rather less useful, on the whole than most typical
>SCA university classes. The second could be fascinating, but is rarely
>done, because the teachers who _could_ do it would rather do it by
>demonstration, that is, by teaching the class in persona as if it were
>a medieval lecture.

Since the Carolingian University demo is now done (and congratulations to a
great many people for pulling it off), it may be appropriate to mention it
here. We used the second approach; my talk was instructions for making a
monochord, taken from Odo of Cluny's Enchiridion Musices. (To those who would
otherwise ask: yes, I had a working monochord.)

We used the second approach because we had no choice: many in the audience were
local people who had walked in off the street and were encountering the SCA for
the first time.

Other talks were on Latin grammar, Arabic numbers, the Ptolemaic vs. Copernican
models, and many other topics. My impression was that the audience (excepting
the children) enjoyed the first batch of lectures; I was elsewhere when the
second batch of lectures was held and have not yet compared notes with the
other lecturers as to how well those were received.

Franz Joder von Joderhuebel (Michael F. Yoder) [mfy@sli.com]

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: pazzia@world.std.com (Sue Gill and Nathan Kronenfeld)
Subject: Re: SCA university classes (was Re: Membership, a tangent)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 03:14:11 GMT

In article <29dej0$9e3@server.cs.vt.edu> jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
>I'm left unsure whether the Carolingian classes were modern classes on how
>medievals viewed/did things, or in-persona re-creations of medieval lectures,
>and inquiring minds want to know :^}. Which was it?

The idea in the Carolingian classes was that they were to be
in-persona re-creations of medieval lectures. We had three
mathmatical lectures, one in astronomy, one in music, one in
philosphy, one in grammar, and one in rhetoric. There were lecturers
from both the Paris and the Italian schools.

A good number of the lectures had a few modern jokes built in, but
even these were delivered in a period manner (the one that comes to
mind is in a lecture expounding the evils of the newer Arabic
numerals, exclaiming that no merchant would ever deal in the billions
of items in stock (or somesuch), and that no duchy would ever incur a
debt of four trillion ducats, therefore invalidating any advantage
gained in using Arabic numerals for these higher numbers, rather than
Roman numerals). On the other hand, five or six out of the eight
lectures did not even do this. All in all, I thought it was a job
well done (then again, I may be biased).

Daniele di Padola
Currently in Carolingia, East Kingdom
Nathan Kronenfeld

From: Monica.Cellio@NL.CS.CMU.EDU
Date: 10/8/93
To: Mark Harris

Here's the Pikestaff announcement. They didn't send me a class list
(probably knowing that we don't have room to print those in general), but
I assume that if you contact the autocrat she could send you one.

I'm glad you enjoyed the A&S issues! Watch the Rialto in late November/
early December for information on getting the next one.


@event(date="October 10", group="Carolingia", name="University of Carolingia")

Class is back in session at the University of Carolingia. The
tradition of an open-to-the-public demo, based on a medieval
univerity and town, continues. The event will take place Sunday
October 10, 1993 from 10am to 5pm at Sanders Theatre and Memorial
Hall on the campus of Harvard Univerity. The Harvard-Radcliffe SCA
are co-sponsoring the event. There will be short classes taught by
illustrious members of the faculty of the University of Carolingia
on subjects that were taught to students in period. The student
quarter will be bustling with merchants selling their wares, guild
artisans plying their crafts, and performances and demos by
Carolingia's dancers, mucicians, and fighters.

Mistress Elayne Courtenay is the autocrat. She can be reached via
the Carolingian Hotline at 617-666-5673 (10am to 10pm only),
where you can get her new
telephone number. There are no advanced reservations, the site fee
is $4 at the door. Unfortunately we cannot accept merchants at
the door due to mundane permitting. There will be no feast, but
food is available locally throughout Harvard Square. There will be
room to change into garb, but please be advised not to leave
valuables unattended with the large number of the public expected.
Since this is a public demo and Massachusetts has strict laws
concerning live steel, no live steel at the demo.

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: hwt@bcarh11a.bnr.ca (Henry Troup)
Subject: Re: On Collegiums
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 13:51:35 GMT

We tend to have a winter event called a Practicum - the emphasis being on
doing rather than theory. We often bring in a distinguished guest, such as
His Grace Cariadoc, or Mistress Briganza, or (Arch-)Duke Paul of Bellatrix.
We don't have a feast - it takes too many people away from attending or

The day and classes are modern dress or costume optional; after dinner (we
prepare a list of restaurants) we have a revel with desserts.

We usually "lose" $300-$500 Canadian on this, the barony absorbs the costs
of airfare for our guests.
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions

From: ansteorra@eden.com (5/24/95)
To: ansteorra@eden.com
RE>Early Percussion Instrum

> If someone can speak authoritatively on a period subject, and is not
> an SCA member, do we invite them to speak?

Mooneschadowe has brought in non SCA speakers to teach a variety of
A&S classes, everything from "Period Musical Instruments" to
"the Poetic Edda", to "Herbalism", to "How the Plague Led to the
Renaissance" (or something along those lines.... it was a very
interesting class). I've heard that some of our members are scheming
to bring in a professor to assist in translating some of the Latin in
the period music they've been learning...

We've found that there are people on and off campus who
love sharing their esoteric interests. Often they're thrilled to
be invited to do a short class for people who are genuinely
interesed in what they've got to say. If you can find them, use
them, I say. Some of our best A&S meetings have revolved around non
SCA guest speakers.

Shire of Mooneschadowe
Stillwater, OK

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: ojid.wbst845@xerox.com (Orilee Ireland-Delfs)
Subject: Re: Educational Mission and SCA
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 16:27:03 GMT

The Barony of Thescorre (Rochester NY, P. of AEthelmearc, K. of the East)
doesn't often rely on local mundane experts, we did just this week
have a totally neat presentation by a woman from the Braddock Bay
Raptor Research Center on raptors - she brought a red tail hawk, a
Harris hawk, a turkey vulture and a barn owl to show us and
talked about their eating habits, nesting habits, and such like
that. It was fascinating! I'm hoping we can find a local
falconer who can come a give a similar talk.

I'm sure if folks started looking, they can find local experts
in a variety of fields to come and talk with them - it also
helps build the reputation of the SCA in the community and
starts a networking process that allows us access to other

As another example, a couple of our members discovered the Garden
Center in Rochester, a local non-profit "garden club". They are
based out of a former residence that was built to look like a castle (!)
Their horticulture library is extensive, and they have some beautiful
gardens and grounds around the building. We now cater their Yule dinner
(in exchange for half the profits), and use of the Castle for our social
(we just had the raptor presentation on the lawn).


From: IVANOR@delphi.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Educational Mission and SCA
Date: 11 Jun 1995 02:09:53 GMT

Our Barony actually has a Speakers Fund, intended to be used for stipends
for visiting lecturers from RL Academia, as well as assisting experts from
far away to come to our events to teach.

Carolyn Boselli Host of Custom Forum 35 SCAdians on Delphi
Ive Annor M'Quhairr of Sighty Crag, AoA, Sen. Canton Dragon Forge, EK

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