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common-wagons-msg - 12/17/11

Tips on sharing wagons and hand carts to haul supplies from the cars to camp.

NOTE: See also the files: carts-msg, Dog-Carts-art, p-backpacks-msg, SCA-transport-msg, SCA-by-train-msg, wheelbarrows-msg, cmp-courteses-art.



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Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 21:56:40 +1000

From: Yseult de Lacy / Chris Robertson

<yseult_de_lacy at optusnet.com.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Ow

To: The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

On 2/05/2011 8:45 PM, Anwyn Davies wrote:

<<< [Non-local Festival attendees] don't know how hard it is to keep from weeping when you know you have limited energy reserves left [after driving 20 hours], and now you have to dig into those reserves to go find a cart, let alone make use of it. >>>

Yes, that's a right bummer.  And the carts are great, and there should

be more of them.  And there could be.

How about every group with a significant presence at Festival has a go

at constructing a cart for Festival that is at least not obviously and

horribly modern for next year, with a prize donated by me for the best

one?   They would become a fixture at Festival, and preferably stored on

site.  (Alfar? Is there room in the shipping container?)  This would

mean that the best designs would be at least partially take-down --

sides (with wheels?) separable from the body for storage.

With a couple of carts always there by the Gatewards' tent, unpacking

into 'em and hauling 'em away would be less stressful.


Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 22:07:53 +1000

From: Paul Sleigh <bat at flurf.net>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Ow

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Yseult suggested:

<<< With a couple of carts always there by the Gatewards' tent, unpacking into

'em and hauling'em away would be less stressful. >>>

With big flags on them, like the ones on children's bicycles, so it's

possible to see where they are from a distance.

: Bat :

Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 23:00:05 +0930

From: "Anwyn Davies" <anwyn at internode.on.net>

Subject: [Lochac] Useful ideas (I hope)

To: "'The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list'"

<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Way back in the mists of time, when I was a young broke Collegian, I was

able to go to my second Festival because Lyradana set me up to work in the

Greasyspoone. As well as making some great friends, and writing a song that

still gets sung every so often, I was fed for the whole weekend. I had a

tiny tent somewhere, and just enough garb to get me through the event, and

maybe $50 spending money. And I had an absolute ball. Worked like a dog, but

had a ball, and I have exceedingly fond memories of it. I don't function so

well on 9 hours sleep in four days any more, but I'd still love to do it


So here's a thought. There are a lot of Collegians, and other young,

new-to-the-SCA people with not a lot of cash, but a lot of enthusiasm. So

maybe we can combine the two.

For example - would people be prepared to pay $10 per cartful to Careful

Josephus's Cart Moving Service, conveniently located by the Gate? Careful

Josephus's fully trained young minions will load all your belongings onto a

cart and push/pull the cart to your campsite, where they guarantee not to

tip all your stuff on the ground, but instead carefully unload it. Thus

ensuring that there is always help, the carts come back, and maybe some

Collegians make enough money to help them afford the travel to and from

Festival. Some of the money to going to making new carts, some of it going

to the people doing the work. And people arriving after no-cars-on-site don't

need to expend energy they may not have to get stuff lugged up. And, of

course, Careful Josephus would promise not to hike the prices up on Monday

and Tuesday. Maybe Careful Josephus would be a student collective, who


Or, if Yseult and I joined forces and set up the Griffin and Lambtree Inn?

Her tents, my cooking, you get a tent with camp bed and bedding, a chair to

sit on, plate, bowl, cup and spoon (you'll have your own knife of course),

three meals a day and no washing up - how much would people pay for that?

And how hard would it be for us to get four or five enthusiastic but broke

people to put in four hours work a day in return for room and board? We'd

need a third partner to be the ox cart driver to get things to and from

site; anyone want in?

We could then get ambitious, so people can go the negotiated-ahead-of-time

luxury route - Careful Josephus will have your car met at the Gate at

Oh-My-God-O'Clock when you arrive, your car will be unloaded, and you will

be directed to the Griffin and Lambtree Inn, where you can have a hot drink

and then a nap until morning, while the Careful Josephus minions take all

your belongings to the camp site, set up one of your tents, and get your

gear under shelter. The following morning you are awakened by your hot

beverage of choice and are greeted by the Careful Josephus minions who will

then help you set up your tents where you actually want them.

Any other ideas? Any one else who isn't already going to be running twenty

different things at Festival want to get involved?


Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:59:18 -0700 (PDT)

From: Rosie <rosie_0801 at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Carts

To: lochac at lochac.sca.org

Ok, so I've never been to Festival, but is there a reason older children of localish people can't be assigned to carts. Even if they aren't big enough to push a loaded cart, they could trot along with the arriving traveler and bring the cart back.

Just a thought,


Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:21:16 +1000

From: "Rosalind Mearns" <rosalind_mearns at bigpond.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Carts

To: "'The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list'"

<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

I've also been thinking that there's an business opportunity for someone

with a horse and cart here.  A horse and cart would be period.  For those

who arrive after 'cars off site' it would be a way of getting their gear to

their campsite without having to lug it all by hand or drive onto site.  You

could also offer rides up to the car park.  This would save people from

having to walk all that way and might encourage fewer cars to park near the

gate.  I'd also imagine that a horse and cart would be easier to spot than a

hand-drawn cart if people wanted to use it.

Of course, I can see some problems with this.  First of all, to make it

worthwhile for someone to go to all this effort, I'd expect they'd need to

charge a fee for the service.  Also, I don't imagine the operator would have

a very enjoyable Festival as they'd need to stay close to their horse and

cart so people could find them.  Glenworth Valley might also have issues and

you'd want to be sure the horse wouldn't shy at the quad bikes if it was

going anywhere near the road.

Unfortunately, I don't have a horse and cart so I can't offer to put my plan

into action.

Annabelle Perrot

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