camp-toilets-msg - 6/27/04 Camp toilets for private camps. NOTE: See also the files: Care-o-Prvies-art, trash-storage-msg, 12thC-Hole-art, p-hygiene-msg, Roman-hygiene-msg, p-privies-msg, bathing-msg, Tubd-a-Scrubd- art. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:33:14 -0500 From: "David J. Hughes" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe georg wrote: > I've been trying to figure out how to make one of my own with modern > sanitation in mind, for travel to War. Last year, they closed most of > the flush toilets, and I'm allergic to chemical toilets. I did not stay > at War under those conditions, and I will not be going this year or > until I can bring something I can use. (yes, I'm allergic to personal > chem toilets too-it's breathing around the chemicals that sets off the > asthma-like reaction). A close-stool that I can keep in my tent may be a > good option. > > -georg > George Anne Simplest method for this is the emergency toilet. Just a simple 5 gallon plastic pail with a close fitting lid, and a supply of plastic bags and twist ties. Toilet seat optional, but strongly recommended for comfort. Place bag in pail, with excess material over rim. Deposit waste, gather bag tightly, twist tie, leave in bottom of pail. Next bag goes on top of previous ones. Cover with lid until next use to control odors and insects. Optionally, add quicklime, bleach, or disinfectant to bag before sealing. Such could easily be placed in an attractive box. Properly dispose of bags in the same way the chemical toilet bags are disposed. David Gallowglass From: georg Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:43:00 GMT David J. Hughes wrote: > Simplest method for this is the emergency toilet. > Just a simple 5 gallon plastic pail with a close fitting lid, and a > supply of plastic bags and twist ties. Toilet seat optional, but > strongly recommended for comfort. > Place bag in pail, with excess material over rim. Deposit waste, gather > bag tightly, twist tie, leave in bottom of pail. Next bag goes on top of > previous ones. Cover with lid until next use to control odors and insects. > Optionally, add quicklime, bleach, or disinfectant to bag before sealing. I've even received the suggestion of putting a disposable diaper in the bottom of the bag to absorb fluid so that the bag would definitely not leak. We used to go camping as a family. We had one of the stools that have a toilet seat with plastic bags. Dad discovered how easily they fall over- the hard way. Buckets are sturdier, but hard to affix a seat to. > Such could easily be placed in an attractive box. > Properly dispose of bags in the same way the chemical toilet bags are > disposed. > > David Gallowglass I really prefer the attractive (and comfortable) box to go around it. Seems sturdier, and if you have company, no one will wonder about your box. -georg From: law Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:00:50 GMT georg wrote: > I've been trying to figure out how to make one of my own with modern > sanitation in mind, for travel to War. Last year, they closed most of > the flush toilets, and I'm allergic to chemical toilets. I did not stay > at War under those conditions, and I will not be going this year or > until I can bring something I can use. (yes, I'm allergic to personal > chem toilets too-it's breathing around the chemicals that sets off the > asthma-like reaction). A close-stool that I can keep in my tent may be a > good option. Take a look at this "system" -- http://www.berlynenterprises.com/ecommerce/thepett.shtml You can easily do everything this shows ... I'm pointing out, in particular, the "pooh powder." This makes the liquids, etc., jell. You can purchase the powder separately and use your own bags. You should be able to contact the store and determine if the powder would be something that would cause you a problem. I've done so for other things and gotten quick response. Seems a bit safer than just leaving plain offal in a bag. And, if you want a more "period" product (but, of course, bulkier to carry), you can use plain ordinary peat ... there are "flushless" toilets that use peat instead of chemicals. It holds the waste again in a more stable manner ... and helps (minorly) with odor. Your problem is going to be in discarding the bags. They should not be put in a normal trash receptacle nor can the bags be thrown into the portable or flush toilets (contents, yes, bags, no). The chemical toilet I use can be dumped directly into a toilet of any kind. Lia From: dja.2004 at bad.example.com (CHANGE DOMAIN TO DJA D0T MAILME D0T ORG TO EMAIL) Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:02:07 -0500 law wrote: l> Seems a bit safer than just leaving plain offal in a bag. Nitpick: it may smell awful, but it isn't offal. Offal is, hmmm, how to put it politely... slaughterhouse leftovers, rather than digestive ones. The bits that can't even be made into hotdogs. Googling "define:offal" gives as the first hit "viscera and trimmings of a butchered animal often considered inedible by humans" (from www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn). -- Dave Aronson: dja(D0T)2004( at T)dja(D0T)mailme(D0T)org From: law Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:24:39 GMT CHANGE DOMAIN TO DJA D0T MAILME D0T ORG TO EMAIL wrote: > law wrote: > l> Seems a bit safer than just leaving plain offal in a bag. > > Nitpick: it may smell awful, but it isn't offal. Offal is, hmmm, how to > put it politely... slaughterhouse leftovers, rather than digestive ones. > The bits that can't even be made into hotdogs. Googling "define:offal" > gives as the first hit "viscera and trimmings of a butchered animal > often considered inedible by humans" (from > www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn). Well -- I was trying to not say shit -- feces might have worked -- although, depending on your diet and health, the urine might have smelled awful, too. But, then again, my dictionary defines offal as "waste parts" and "rubbish" and in the thesaurus has it matching to: "bits, crap, detritus, dregs, dross, fragments, garbage, junk, offal, pieces, refuse, remains, rubbish, rubble, ruins, shit, trash, waste, wreck, wreckage" So, for the politeness factor, instead of saying shit or crap, I'll just stay with offal. Lia Edited by Mark S. Harris camp-toilets-msg Page 2 of 4