camp-toilets-msg - 5/25/13

Camp toilets for private camps.

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Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:33:14 -0500
From: "David J. Hughes" <davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe

georg wrote:
> I've been trying to figure out how to make one of my own with modern 
> sanitation in mind, for travel to War. Last year, they closed most of 
> the flush toilets, and I'm allergic to chemical toilets. I did not stay 
> at War under those conditions, and I will not be going this year or 
> until I can bring something I can use. (yes, I'm allergic to personal 
> chem toilets too-it's breathing around the chemicals that sets off the 
> asthma-like reaction). A close-stool that I can keep in my tent may be a 
> good option.
> 
> -georg
> George Anne

Simplest method for this is the emergency toilet.
Just a simple 5 gallon plastic pail with a close fitting lid, and a 
supply of plastic bags and twist ties.  Toilet seat optional, but 
strongly recommended for comfort.
Place bag in pail, with excess material over rim.  Deposit waste, 
gather bag tightly, twist tie, leave in bottom of pail. Next bag goes 
on top of previous ones.  Cover with lid until next use to control 
odors and insects.
Optionally, add quicklime, bleach, or disinfectant to bag before sealing.

Such could easily be placed in an attractive box.
Properly dispose of bags in the same way the chemical toilet bags are 
  disposed.

David Gallowglass


From: georg <thegeorg at stny.rr.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:43:00 GMT

David J. Hughes wrote:
> Simplest method for this is the emergency toilet.
> Just a simple 5 gallon plastic pail with a close fitting lid, and a 
> supply of plastic bags and twist ties.  Toilet seat optional, but 
> strongly recommended for comfort.
> Place bag in pail, with excess material over rim.  Deposit waste, gather 
> bag tightly, twist tie, leave in bottom of pail. Next bag goes on top of 
> previous ones.  Cover with lid until next use to control odors and insects.
> Optionally, add quicklime, bleach, or disinfectant to bag before sealing.

I've even received the suggestion of putting a disposable diaper in the 
bottom of the bag to absorb fluid so that the bag would definitely not leak.

We used to go camping as a family. We had one of the stools that have a 
toilet seat with plastic bags. Dad discovered how easily they fall over- 
the hard way. Buckets are sturdier, but hard to affix a seat to.

> Such could easily be placed in an attractive box.
> Properly dispose of bags in the same way the chemical toilet bags are 
>  disposed.
> 
> David Gallowglass

I really prefer the attractive (and comfortable) box to go around it. 
Seems sturdier, and if you have company, no one will wonder about your box.

-georg


From: law <lawiserdontspam at nospamatt.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:00:50 GMT

georg wrote:
> I've been trying to figure out how to make one of my own with modern 
> sanitation in mind, for travel to War. Last year, they closed most of 
> the flush toilets, and I'm allergic to chemical toilets. I did not stay 
> at War under those conditions, and I will not be going this year or 
> until I can bring something I can use. (yes, I'm allergic to personal 
> chem toilets too-it's breathing around the chemicals that sets off the 
> asthma-like reaction). A close-stool that I can keep in my tent may be a 
> good option.

Take a look at this "system" -- 
http://www.berlynenterprises.com/ecommerce/thepett.shtml

You can easily do everything this shows ... I'm pointing out, in 
particular, the "pooh powder."  This makes the liquids, etc., jell.  You 
can purchase the powder separately and use your own bags.  You should 
be  able to contact the store and determine if the powder would be 
something that would cause you a problem.  I've done so for other things 
and gotten quick response.  Seems a bit safer than just leaving plain 
offal in a bag.

And, if you want a more "period" product (but, of course, bulkier to 
carry), you can use plain ordinary peat ... there are "flushless" 
toilets that use peat instead of chemicals.  It holds the waste again in 
a more stable manner ... and helps (minorly) with odor.

Your problem is going to be in discarding the bags.  They should not be 
put in a normal trash receptacle nor can the bags be thrown into the 
portable or flush toilets (contents, yes, bags, no).  The chemical 
toilet I use can be dumped directly into a toilet of any kind.

Lia



From: dja.2004 at bad.example.com (CHANGE DOMAIN TO DJA D0T MAILME D0T ORG TO EMAIL)
Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:02:07 -0500

law <lawiserdontspam at nospamatt.net> wrote:
 l> Seems a bit safer than just leaving plain offal in a bag.

Nitpick: it may smell awful, but it isn't offal.  Offal is, hmmm, how to
put it politely... slaughterhouse leftovers, rather than digestive ones.
The bits that can't even be made into hotdogs.  Googling "define:offal"
gives as the first hit "viscera and trimmings of a butchered animal
often considered inedible by humans" (from
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn).
-- 
Dave Aronson: dja(D0T)2004( at T)dja(D0T)mailme(D0T)org


From: law <lawiserdontspam at nospamatt.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Chimneys/guarderobe
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:24:39 GMT

CHANGE DOMAIN TO DJA D0T MAILME D0T ORG TO EMAIL wrote:
> law <lawiserdontspam at nospamatt.net> wrote:
>  l> Seems a bit safer than just leaving plain offal in a bag.
> 
> Nitpick: it may smell awful, but it isn't offal.  Offal is, hmmm, how to
> put it politely... slaughterhouse leftovers, rather than digestive ones.
> The bits that can't even be made into hotdogs.  Googling "define:offal"
> gives as the first hit "viscera and trimmings of a butchered animal
> often considered inedible by humans" (from
> www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn).

Well -- I was trying to not say shit -- feces might have worked -- 
although, depending on your diet and health, the urine might have 
smelled awful, too.

But, then again, my dictionary defines offal as "waste parts" and 
"rubbish" and in the thesaurus has it matching to:

"bits, crap, detritus, dregs, dross, fragments, garbage, junk, offal, 
pieces, refuse, remains, rubbish, rubble, ruins, shit, trash, waste, 
wreck, wreckage"

So, for the politeness factor, instead of saying shit or crap, I'll just 
stay with offal.

Lia


From: Laura Tellus <the_mood_dragon at yahoo.com>
Date: February 24, 2010 8:01:55 AM CST
To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tri-temp] GW 19 Weather & new comer camping tips

OMG BEEN THERE DONE THAT! It is especially useful when you are a little intoxicated



-The Mood Dragon



<<< Oh... I forgot.

If you have the room... a litter box for your tent. There is nothing worse than waking up at 3am to the rainstorm outside and realizing you really really really need to visit the porta castle. No matter how close it is. 


Here is how to make one.


1. Take a 5 gallon pickle bucket or paint bucket (found at home depot) 

2. line it with a trash bag (not a shopping bag, they leak)

3. Add a quart or 2 of very absorbant kitty litter

4. keep wetwipes/toilet paper nearby


If you don't have room, you can purchase most all this or a facsimile thereof at walmart and leave it behind >>>


From: Chiere <cheri at blackroot.org>
Date: December 31, 2010 4:21:34 PM CST
To: The Triskele Tavern <the-triskele-tavern at googlegroups.com>
Subject: {TheTriskeleTavern} Re: Advice for First Timers to Gulf Wars?

<snip>

A 'litter box!!!' This is the best thing EVAR! Get one of those cheap
plastic hassock type potties from Wal-mart and throw away the
chemicals. Add kitchen trash liners and Feline Pine to the kit.
(Feline Pine smells HEAVENLY and preforms well!) When you set up the
potty, put in a liner, pour in a few cups of Feline Pine; put in
another liner, add several cups of Feline Pine; do this 3 or 4 times.
Each day, pull out one liner and you are set up to go (haa haa) for
the next day. No-one can tell you have a lil potty in your tent! It
really comes in handy to keep from picking up the plague from the
porta potties and there will be at least 4 nights when it is raining
or cold and you will need the facilities and you don't want to get
dressed, slog through the mud, and wait in line, only to find out the
person before had left something unpleasant behind. (I loath and
detest porta potties; have since I got attacked by wasps in one at a
horse show when I was about 6,...) With this set up, you can save the
heavy duty business (tee hee!) for a flushy potty and make the litter
box last longer. Just be courteous and toss the litter bag into a
larger garbage bag before setting the garbage out.


Chiere


Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:10:31 -0400
From: "Roy B. Scherer" <rscherer at lairhaven.com>
To: Chris Harrop <chrshrrp at yahoo.com>,Elizabeth <shalandara at aol.com>
Cc: Merry Rose <Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] Lesson from Isabel

At 01:13 PM 8/27/2011, Chris Harrop wrote:
<<< Another solution might have been to get one of those campsite 
potties with a bucket of chemicals for it?  I've never used one but 
it might suffice.  Of course if you live in a rural area the 
generator sounds like the best way. >>>

        The cheapest solution is to grab that empty 5- (or 3-) 
gallon bucket that used to hold dry-wall compound or kitty litter, 
and some plastic grocery bags.  Th bags fit the bucket just fine, and 
the bucket fits your behind just fine.  When done, treat the bag just 
as you would if it contained dog poop or used kitty litter.

Make sure that the grocery bags are free from holes.
Worked for us when we were redoing our toilet!

-- Britton


Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:32:32 -0400
From: "David Chessler" <chessler at usa.net>
To: Kel <kel.abc at gmail.com>, "Roy B. Scherer" <rscherer at lairhaven.com>
Cc: Merry Rose <Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>, Elizabeth
	<shalandara at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [MR] Lesson from Isabel

<<< At a sporting goods store or Amazon you can even get a 5 gallon bucket with
a toilet seat.  Much easier to use than a drywall compound bucket :) >>>

Many sporting goods stores will sell a kit with sealable plastic bags for
waste, etc. These are used by river-runners, so you may find them in canoe
stores, etc. 

Toilet seats are available in plumbing supply stores and large hardware
stores. The plastic ones would be fine for this use.

Davitt il Bigollo da Pisa
Erudit de l'Academie de Espee de Atlantia
Storvik (rapier)
Roxbury Mill (other things)


From: Brad Moore <mamluk at yahoo.com>
Date: March 31, 2012 12:16:05 PM CDT
To: "TNEII at yahoogroups.com" <TNEII at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [TNEII] Re: Retasking

<< I wish I had brought my copy of "How to Shit in the Woods".  It's a great book for preparing non-campers or non-woodsy folk for how to properly dispose of their waste.
 
Brad Moore  >>

From: Erik Telemark <irongld at gmail.com>
<<< That's really a book? >>>

It is really a book.  I have the first edition around here somewhere.  Here is a link to the second edition on Amazon:
 
http://www.amazon.com/Shit-Woods-Second-Edition-Environmentally/dp/0898156270/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333214122&sr=8-1

Brad Moore  

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