fruit-wines-msg - 12/10/09 ਀ഊNon-grape fruit wines. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: wine-msg, Vintng-Harvst-art, Vintng-Tools-art, Vintng-Proces-art, fresh-juices-msg, perry-msg, cider-msg, cider-art, beverages-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:39:46 +1000 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䠀䤀䌀䬀匀Ⰰ 䴀䔀䰀䤀匀匀䄀∀ 㰀䠀䤀䌀䬀匀开䴀 愀琀 挀愀猀愀⸀最漀瘀⸀愀甀㸀ഊSubject: SC - RECIPE: Gooseberry Wine ਀ഊ>Coincidentally I found a Gooseberry wine recipe in La Varenne last night ਀㸀⠀㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䤀 欀渀漀眀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀猀欀攀搀Ⰰ 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 椀猀 琀栀攀 䜀漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀礀 圀椀渀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 漀甀琀 漀昀 䰀愀ഊVarenne ..... ਀ഊRegards Meliora. ਀ഊ> How to make Goofeberry Wine. ਀㸀ഊ> Take the Goofeberries and prefs the Juice from them, and ftrain it ਀㸀 瘀攀爀礀 眀攀氀氀㬀 琀栀攀渀 琀愀欀攀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀猀 琀栀攀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䨀甀椀挀攀 椀猀Ⰰഊ> and Boyl with refined Sugar, about the quantity of one Pound to a ਀㸀 䜀愀氀氀漀渀 漀昀 圀椀渀攀 ⠀眀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀 洀椀砀✀搀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 圀愀琀攀爀⤀ 琀栀攀渀 洀椀砀 琀栀攀 䨀甀椀挀攀ഊ> and water together, and fine it with Ifinglafs, as before directed, ਀㸀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 爀愀琀攀 漀昀 愀渀 伀甀渀挀攀 琀漀 吀攀渀 䜀愀氀氀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 匀挀甀洀 椀猀 爀愀椀昀攀搀ഊ> to the top, take it off, and the Liquor will be clear; then draw it ਀㸀 椀渀琀漀 礀漀甀爀 嘀攀昀昀攀氀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 昀椀渀椀昀栀 椀琀猀 䘀攀爀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀渀 愀ഊ> Months time it will be fit for Bottling, put into each Bottle a piece ਀㸀 漀昀 匀甀最愀爀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䌀甀爀爀愀渀琀 愀渀搀 刀愀猀戀攀爀礀 圀椀渀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 昀愀洀攀 洀愀渀渀攀爀Ⰰ 漀渀氀礀 琀栀攀 䌀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀ഊ> when too Ripe are Sower, therefore muft be pull'd when juft Ripe; and ਀㸀 䜀漀漀昀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 琀栀攀 氀漀渀最攀爀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 吀爀攀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀眀攀攀琀攀爀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀渀 䄀瀀瀀爀椀挀漀挀欀 漀爀 倀攀愀挀栀 戀爀甀椀昀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 椀渀琀漀 愀 䈀漀琀琀氀攀 漀昀 愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀昀攀ഊ> Wines, will give them a curious Flavour, and brisk Tafte. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㤀 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㈀㌀㨀㔀　㨀㐀㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Marilyn Traber ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀搀攀ഊ ਀䴀愀砀 眀愀猀 戀礀 琀漀渀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀眀椀渀最 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰഊand he concurs that the oak leaf brew was something to fake out oak cask aging ਀昀漀爀 愀 眀椀渀攀⸀ഊ. ਀洀愀爀最愀氀椀ഊ ਀最眀椀渀 搀愀椀氀 搀攀爀眀 ⴀ 漀愀欀 氀攀愀昀 眀椀渀攀ഊfor each gallon: ਀愀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀礀 漀昀 挀氀攀愀渀 戀爀漀眀渀 眀椀琀栀攀爀攀搀 漀愀欀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 最愀琀栀攀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀攀 漀渀 愀 搀爀礀ഊday, bruised piece of whole giger, 4 lbs white sugar, 1 lb chopped rasins, ਀㄀⼀㈀ 漀稀 礀攀愀猀琀ഊ ਀瀀氀愀挀攀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 椀渀 愀 挀栀椀渀愀 漀爀 攀愀爀琀栀攀渀眀愀爀攀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀 愀渀搀 瀀漀甀爀 猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最ഊwater over them to cover. infuse for 4-5 days, then strain off through muslin. ਀ഊBoil this liquid, adding a piece of bruised ginger and 4 lbs of sugar. After 20 ਀洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀氀氀漀眀 琀漀 挀漀漀氀 琀漀 氀甀欀攀 眀愀爀洀 愀渀搀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀琀栀攀渀眀愀爀攀ഊvessel. Now add the 1 lb of chopped rasins and 1/2 oz yeast.Cover well and ਀愀氀氀漀眀 琀漀 昀攀爀洀攀渀琀 昀漀爀 ㄀㘀 搀愀礀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 猀琀爀愀椀渀 愀渀搀 戀漀琀琀氀攀⸀ ഊ ਀吀栀攀 眀椀渀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀 椀渀 琀栀爀攀攀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 戀甀琀 椀洀瀀爀漀瘀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:41:53 EST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀攀氀挀㈀渀攀眀琀漀渀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Oak leaf wine (was Re: SC - gingerbrede) ਀ഊOn Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:50:47 -0500 Marilyn Traber writes: ਀㸀䴀愀砀 眀愀猀 戀礀 琀漀渀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀眀椀渀最 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰഊ>and he concurs that the oak leaf brew was something to fake out oak cask aging ਀㸀昀漀爀 愀 眀椀渀攀⸀ഊ>margali ਀ഊ>gwin dail derw - oak leaf wine ਀㸀昀漀爀 攀愀挀栀 最愀氀氀漀渀㨀ഊ>a quantity of clean brown withered oak leaves gathered from the tree on a dry ਀㸀搀愀礀Ⰰ 戀爀甀椀猀攀搀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 眀栀漀氀攀 最椀最攀爀Ⰰ 㐀 氀戀猀 眀栀椀琀攀 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ ㄀ 氀戀 挀栀漀瀀瀀攀搀 爀愀猀椀渀猀Ⰰ ㄀⼀㈀ഊ>oz yeast ਀ഊWell, this is curious! the Oak leaf recipe I have calls for new oak ਀氀攀愀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 戀椀最最攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀 猀焀甀椀爀爀攀氀✀猀 攀愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀 爀愀猀椀渀猀℀㼀℀ 䴀椀渀攀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀ഊ_Beer and Wines of Old New England_, Where did Max find his? ਀䤀 甀猀攀搀 愀 焀甀愀爀琀 漀昀 猀焀甀椀爀爀攀氀✀猀 猀椀稀攀搀 漀愀欀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀攀攀瀀攀搀Ⰰ 愀猀 昀漀爀 琀攀愀Ⰰഊand then added 2 1/2 lbs of clover honey ( the recipe called for 2 lbs of ਀猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 愀 漀愀欀 氀攀愀昀 洀攀愀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⤀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 愀ഊgallon's worth. I think the yeast I used was a wine yeast; I'd have to go ਀昀椀渀搀 洀礀 戀爀攀眀椀渀最 渀漀琀攀戀漀漀欀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 漀甀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 琀栀漀✀⸀  匀椀渀挀攀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀ഊmead, rather than a wine, I'm waiting a year, before I try it . ਀ഊ Beatrix ਀伀愀欀栀攀愀爀琀⼀䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀ഊSpringfield, Mo ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㠀㨀㈀㔀㨀㈀㌀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: collette at kricket.net (colette waters) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 匀愀欀攀 刀攀挀椀瀀椀攀㼀ഊ ਀㸀圀攀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 爀甀渀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀椀攀 昀漀爀 洀愀欀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 戀爀攀眀攀搀 猀愀欀攀⸀ഊ>Of course, now that we go looking for it, it is nowhere to be found. ਀㸀䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀椀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 爀椀挀攀 眀椀渀攀Ⰰ 愀欀愀 猀愀欀攀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀愀渀渀愀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 爀椀挀攀 眀椀渀攀⸀  䤀✀瘀攀 渀漀琀 洀愀搀攀 椀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 椀昀 椀琀ഊis sake or not. ਀ഊ2 lbs rice, 1 gallon water; 3 1/2 lbs sugar; 2 lbs raisins; 1 lemon; 4 ਀漀爀愀渀最攀猀㬀 礀攀愀猀琀㬀 礀攀愀猀琀 渀甀琀爀椀攀渀琀㬀 ㄀ 琀戀猀瀀 昀爀攀猀栀 洀愀搀攀 琀攀愀ഊPlace grain and sugar in crock, add hot water, stir until sugar is ਀搀椀猀猀漀氀瘀攀搀⸀  䄀搀搀 挀栀漀瀀瀀攀搀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 挀漀漀氀 攀渀漀甀最栀 礀攀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 礀攀愀猀琀ഊnutrient. Stir the ingredients. Add juice of lemon and oranges with the ਀最爀愀琀攀搀 瀀攀攀氀 漀昀 琀眀漀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀⸀  䘀攀爀洀攀渀琀 昀漀爀 ㄀　 搀愀礀猀 漀爀 甀渀琀椀氀 瀀爀椀洀愀爀礀ഊfermentation is over, then strain solids out through several folds of ਀挀栀攀攀猀攀挀漀琀栀 愀渀搀 瀀爀攀猀猀 漀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 氀椀焀甀椀搀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀⸀  匀椀瀀栀漀渀 氀椀焀甀椀搀 愀渀搀 琀攀愀 椀渀琀漀ഊsecondary fermentation vessel with traps attached . When ready, tranfer ਀眀椀渀攀 椀渀琀漀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀最攀⸀ഊBegga ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䴀愀爀 ㈀　　　 　㜀㨀㐀㌀㨀㌀㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: grizly at mindspring.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀 挀漀渀挀攀渀琀爀愀琀攀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀攀㨀䨀甀椀挀攀 漀昀 匀漀甀爀 伀爀愀渀最攀猀⤀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀㰀㰀䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 䤀 愀洀 爀攀昀攀爀爀椀渀最 琀漀 栀愀猀 樀甀猀琀 攀渀漀甀最栀 猀甀最愀爀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 愀眀愀礀 琀栀攀 戀椀琀琀攀爀渀攀猀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 猀礀爀甀瀀礀ⴀ猀眀攀攀琀⸀  䴀愀礀戀攀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 琀漀漀 猀眀攀攀琀⸀⸀⸀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀⸀  䨀甀猀琀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 䤀✀搀 搀攀氀椀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀⸀ഊBalthazar of Blackmoor>>>>>> ਀ഊTexts refer to sweet and sour pomegranates, so it would depend on what you were trying to use. BTW, if you add the pomegranate concentrated 'molasses' to some water, apple juice and honey, you can ferment out one da*ned fine melomel. Pomegranate wine is referenced by Pliny the Elder as well as cargo manifests from 14th century Naples. I have discovered no extant recipes or infredient lists for dame, so we came up with this mixture as an approximation of what 'could be'. The straight pomegrante and honey (with water to dilute) turned out a wine very bitter, with a somewhat bitter aftertaste, giving it the overall impression of bitter. That pomegranate bitter that you get in little squirts when you eat the seeds will get REALLY concentrated when you make a wine with them. ਀ഊYMMV, but when you use a case of 32 fresh pomegranates and squeeze the little buggers for juice, you will get in the neighborhood of one gallon of fresh, clear juice. It was an adventure relished, but not wanted for repeat. We found the bottled juice and molasses work just as well for this application. ਀ഊniccolo difrancesco ਀昀爀攀洀攀渀琀攀爀 漀昀 渀椀最栀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 眀漀渀✀琀 樀甀洀瀀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀眀瀀漀琀 㨀漀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: soh at inm.mod.uk ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀 䨀甀氀 㤀Ⰰ ㈀　　㌀  㘀㨀㄀㤀㨀㈀㤀 䄀䴀 唀匀⼀䌀攀渀琀爀愀氀ഊTo: "'stefan at florilegium.org'" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䴀攀搀氀愀爀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 樀甀猀琀 挀漀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 礀漀甀爀 眀攀戀猀椀琀攀⸀ഊI have a medlar tree outside my office window. ਀䄀 昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 愀 挀漀氀氀攀愀最甀攀 洀愀搀攀 䴀攀搀氀愀爀 眀椀渀攀 昀爀漀洀 椀琀猀 昀爀甀椀琀 愀渀搀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 搀椀猀最甀猀琀椀渀最 琀栀椀渀最 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀 ℀ഊ ਀匀漀 椀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 椀猀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀 眀椀渀攀洀愀欀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 䴀攀搀氀愀爀 昀爀甀椀琀 ⴀ 䐀伀一✀吀 椀猀 洀礀 愀搀瘀椀挀攀 ℀℀℀ഊ ਀匀琀攀瘀攀 䴀漀漀爀攀ഊGosport, England ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 㜀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㌀ 　㘀㨀　㄀㨀　㈀ ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Marcus Loidolt ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀攀㨀 伀愀欀 氀攀愀瘀攀 眀椀渀攀ഊTo: stellararts at yahoogroups.com ਀䌀挀㨀 倀爀椀猀挀椀氀氀愀 匀愀最攀 㰀瀀琀栀甀渀 愀琀 漀爀椀⸀渀攀琀㸀Ⰰ 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 倀爀椀猀挀椀氀氀愀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀爀ഊheard of this recipe? I hadn't, but Master Charles ਀伀愀欀氀攀礀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 琀漀 琀爀礀ഊon a good brave spring day!!?? ਀ഊAbot Johann ਀ഊ--- c.oakley at att.net wrote: ਀㸀 䠀攀礀 䨀漀栀愀渀渀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀挀琀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 眀椀渀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 挀愀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀 爀攀愀氀 氀椀昀攀ഊ> printed book from our library ਀㸀 漀瘀攀爀 椀渀 倀攀漀爀椀愀℀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 戀甀琀 椀琀ഊ> was a rather small one. ਀㸀ഊ> The recipe basically went: ਀㸀ഊ> In the spring of the year pick oak leaves when they ਀㸀 愀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀椀稀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ> palm of your hand. Put them into a large container ਀㸀 愀渀搀 瀀漀甀爀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀ഊ> over them (I boiled about two gallons even though I ਀㸀 眀愀猀 洀愀欀椀渀最 愀 漀渀攀 最愀氀氀漀渀ഊ> batch)... the boiling water breaks down the cell ਀㸀 猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊ> releases the clorophil, etc. Let the whole mess sit ਀㸀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 挀漀漀氀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀搀搀 猀甀最愀爀猀 ⠀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 甀猀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 㔀 挀甀瀀猀⤀ 愀渀搀 洀椀砀ഊ> thoroughly... let the whole ਀㸀 洀攀猀猀 猀椀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 昀漀爀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀眀漀 漀爀 琀栀爀攀攀 搀愀礀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> sturing often... ਀㸀ഊ> Strain the liquour off of the leaves and put into ਀㸀 琀栀攀 樀甀最 眀椀琀栀 愀渀 愀椀爀氀漀挀欀 漀渀ഊ> it and let it do its fermenting thing... ਀㸀ഊ> Its a pretty simple process... and... ummm... ਀㸀 眀愀猀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 椀渀 挀漀氀搀ഊ> water prior to hitting them with the boiling water ਀㸀 眀漀甀氀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 戀攀 愀 最漀漀搀ഊ> idea... but...as I recall I don't think I did... ਀㸀 最椀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 搀椀猀愀猀琀攀爀 愀ഊ> more 'period feel'... ;-) ਀㸀ഊ> Chas. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 㜀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㌀ 　㠀㨀㐀㜀㨀㔀㈀ ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Huette von Ahrens ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀攀㨀 伀愀欀 氀攀愀瘀攀 眀椀渀攀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊIt doesn't state which kind of oak leaves. Just ਀漀渀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 愀猀 戀椀最 愀猀 琀栀攀 瀀愀氀洀 漀昀 礀漀甀爀 栀愀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀一漀眀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 漀愀欀 琀爀攀攀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 椀渀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀ഊdon't have such big leaves, so I am wondering if ਀琀栀攀 眀椀渀攀 椀猀 漀渀氀礀 最漀漀搀 昀漀爀 愀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 漀愀欀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀ 䴀愀爀挀甀猀 䰀漀椀搀漀氀琀 㰀洀樀氀漀椀搀漀氀琀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Greetings, Priscilla, or anyone on the list ever ਀㸀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀㼀 䤀 栀愀搀渀✀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀ഊ> Oakley provided this one, might be interesting to try ਀㸀 漀渀 愀 最漀漀搀 戀爀愀瘀攀 猀瀀爀椀渀最 搀愀礀℀℀㼀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀戀漀琀 䨀漀栀愀渀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:35:27 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Re: Oak leave wine ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最✀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䨀甀猀琀 昀漀爀 昀甀渀Ⰰ 䤀 搀椀搀 愀 焀甀椀挀欀 猀攀愀爀挀栀⸀  䠀攀爀攀✀猀 猀漀洀攀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊBear ਀ഊWhich oaks can be used: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀椀渀攀洀愀欀椀渀最⸀樀愀挀欀欀攀氀氀攀爀⸀渀攀琀⼀漀愀欀氀攀愀昀⸀愀猀瀀ഊ ਀䄀 圀攀氀猀栀 漀愀欀 眀椀渀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀㨀ഊhttp://www.red4.co.uk/Recipes/oakleaf-wine.htm ਀ഊThe Florilegium's entry: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最⼀昀椀氀攀猀⼀䈀䔀嘀䔀刀䄀䜀䔀匀⼀眀椀渀攀ⴀ洀猀最⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀㸀 䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 倀爀椀猀挀椀氀氀愀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀爀ഊ> heard of this recipe? I hadn't, but Master Charles ਀㸀 伀愀欀氀攀礀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 琀漀 琀爀礀ഊ> on a good brave spring day!!?? ਀㸀ഊ> Abot Johann ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㐀 ㈀㄀㨀　㄀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Robin Carroll-Mann" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䈀氀甀攀戀攀爀爀礀⼀ 䜀漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀礀 圀椀渀攀 䐀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀㼀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊOn 19 Jan 2004, at 9:37, david friedman wrote: ਀㸀㸀 䐀攀 一漀氀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 猀漀甀爀 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀 眀椀渀攀 ⠀∀瘀椀渀漀 搀攀 最爀愀渀愀搀愀猀 愀最爀愀猀∀ ⴀⴀ  ഊ>> wine made from sour pomegranates). ਀㸀㸀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀 ⨀⨀⨀ 洀欀愀 刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀猀 椀琀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 ∀瘀椀渀漀∀ 椀猀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 氀漀漀猀攀氀礀 昀漀爀 愀渀 甀渀昀攀爀洀攀渀琀攀搀ഊ> fruit juice? Pomegranate juce (both sweet and sour) is mentioned in ਀㸀 琀栀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀⸀ 䄀渀搀愀氀甀猀椀愀渀 䴀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀琀漀 䄀渀漀渀椀洀漀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 猀漀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀ഊjuice ("jugo de granadas") in the same work. I checked it against the 1520 ਀䌀愀琀愀氀愀渀 攀搀椀琀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 猀愀洀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 猀愀礀猀 ∀瘀椀∀ ⠀䌀愀琀愀氀愀渀 昀漀爀 ∀眀椀渀攀∀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 樀甀猀琀 搀椀搀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 瀀漀欀椀渀最 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 圀攀戀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 漀渀 ∀瘀椀渀漀 搀攀 最爀愀渀愀搀愀猀∀ഊbrought up an interesting reference. There is an online transcription of a ਀㄀㔀㔀㄀ 栀攀愀氀琀栀 洀愀渀甀愀氀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ∀䰀椀戀爀漀 搀攀氀 刀攀最椀攀渀 搀攀 匀愀氀甀搀∀ 戀礀 䰀甀椀猀 䰀漀戀攀爀愀 搀攀 䄀瘀椀氀愀⸀ഊhttp://www.ucm.es/info/folchia/LOBERA3.htm ਀ഊHe says that in some cases, before bleeding a patient, the person should be ਀最椀瘀攀渀 愀 猀漀瀀 椀渀 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀 眀椀渀攀 漀爀 椀渀 瘀攀爀樀甀椀挀攀 ⠀∀猀漀瀀愀 攀渀 瘀椀渀漀 搀攀  ഊgranadas o en agraz"). ਀ഊMy guss would be that pomegranate wine was used medicinally, and as a ਀猀漀甀爀椀渀最 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀 椀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀渀礀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 琀栀愀琀  ഊit was used as a beverage. ਀ഊBrighid ni Chiarain *** mka Robin Carroll-Mann ਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 匀攀琀琀洀漀甀爀 匀眀愀洀瀀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊrcmnn4 at earthlink.net ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㐀 ㈀㄀㨀　㄀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Robin Carroll-Mann" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䈀氀甀攀戀攀爀爀礀⼀ 䜀漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀礀 圀椀渀攀 䐀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀㼀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊOn 19 Jan 2004, at 9:37, david friedman wrote: ਀㸀㸀 䐀攀 一漀氀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 猀漀甀爀 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀 眀椀渀攀 ⠀∀瘀椀渀漀 搀攀 最爀愀渀愀搀愀猀 愀最爀愀猀∀ ⴀⴀ  ഊ>> wine made from sour pomegranates). ਀㸀㸀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀 ⨀⨀⨀ 洀欀愀 刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀猀 椀琀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 ∀瘀椀渀漀∀ 椀猀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 氀漀漀猀攀氀礀 昀漀爀 愀渀 甀渀昀攀爀洀攀渀琀攀搀ഊ> fruit juice? Pomegranate juce (both sweet and sour) is mentioned in ਀㸀 琀栀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀⸀ 䄀渀搀愀氀甀猀椀愀渀 䴀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀琀漀 䄀渀漀渀椀洀漀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 猀漀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀ഊjuice ("jugo de granadas") in the same work. I checked it against the 1520 ਀䌀愀琀愀氀愀渀 攀搀椀琀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 猀愀洀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 猀愀礀猀 ∀瘀椀∀ ⠀䌀愀琀愀氀愀渀 昀漀爀 ∀眀椀渀攀∀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 樀甀猀琀 搀椀搀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 瀀漀欀椀渀最 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 圀攀戀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 漀渀 ∀瘀椀渀漀 搀攀 最爀愀渀愀搀愀猀∀ഊbrought up an interesting reference. There is an online transcription of a ਀㄀㔀㔀㄀ 栀攀愀氀琀栀 洀愀渀甀愀氀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ∀䰀椀戀爀漀 搀攀氀 刀攀最椀攀渀 搀攀 匀愀氀甀搀∀ 戀礀 䰀甀椀猀 䰀漀戀攀爀愀 搀攀 䄀瘀椀氀愀⸀ 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀甀挀洀⸀攀猀⼀椀渀昀漀⼀昀漀氀挀栀椀愀⼀䰀伀䈀䔀刀䄀㌀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀䠀攀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 挀愀猀攀猀Ⰰ 戀攀昀漀爀攀 戀氀攀攀搀椀渀最 愀 瀀愀琀椀攀渀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊgiven a sop in pomegranate wine or in verjuice ("sopa en vino de ਀最爀愀渀愀搀愀猀 漀 攀渀 愀最爀愀稀∀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 最甀猀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀栀愀琀 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀 眀椀渀攀 眀愀猀 甀猀攀搀 洀攀搀椀挀椀渀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀猀 愀ഊsouring ingredient in cooking, but I have not found any evidence that ਀椀琀 眀愀猀 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 愀 戀攀瘀攀爀愀最攀⸀ഊ ਀䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀 ⨀⨀⨀ 洀欀愀 刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀ഊBarony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom ਀爀挀洀渀渀㐀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Sue Warner" ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: the lion's tooth ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㐀 ㄀㘀㨀㌀㈀㨀　㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ ਀㸀 䤀✀洀 愀氀猀漀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 搀愀渀搀攀氀椀漀渀 眀椀渀攀㬀 䤀 栀愀搀 猀漀洀攀ഊ> once and it was not bad! ਀㸀ഊ> AG ਀ഊDon't have the recipe for the wine that Dad used to make from dandelion. ਀䈀甀琀 䤀 搀椀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 瀀椀挀欀 琀栀攀 爀漀琀琀攀渀 琀栀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 椀昀 礀漀甀 氀攀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 最爀攀攀渀ഊbits on the head the wine gets bitter. ਀ഊAnd it takes an amazing amount of heads to fill a measuring cup when all you ਀愀爀攀 甀猀椀渀最 椀猀 琀栀攀 礀攀氀氀漀眀 瀀攀琀愀氀猀⸀  ⠀栀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 愀 眀攀氀氀 ∀昀攀爀琀椀氀椀稀攀搀∀ 昀椀攀氀搀ഊto pick, heads are MUCH bigger) ਀ഊMariassa ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀甀攀 圀愀爀渀攀爀∀ 㰀愀猀栀最爀漀瘀攀 愀琀 戀爀椀最栀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 琀栀攀 氀椀漀渀✀猀 琀漀漀琀栀ഊDate: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:02 -0400 ਀ഊ> I'm also interested in finding a recipe for dandelion wine; I had some ਀㸀 漀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 戀愀搀℀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀䜀ഊ ਀䐀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 眀椀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 䐀愀搀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 昀爀漀洀 搀愀渀搀攀氀椀漀渀⸀ഊBut I did have to help pick the rotten things and if you leave the green ਀戀椀琀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 眀椀渀攀 最攀琀猀 戀椀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀搀 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀渀 愀洀愀稀椀渀最 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 栀攀愀搀猀 琀漀 昀椀氀氀 愀 洀攀愀猀甀爀椀渀最 挀甀瀀 眀栀攀渀 愀氀氀 礀漀甀ഊare using is the yellow petals. (he used to find a well "fertilized" field ਀琀漀 瀀椀挀欀Ⰰ 栀攀愀搀猀 愀爀攀 䴀唀䌀䠀 戀椀最最攀爀⤀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀椀愀猀猀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:41:03 -0700 (PDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀甀爀攀氀椀愀 䌀漀爀椀琀愀渀愀 㰀愀甀爀攀氀椀愀开挀漀爀椀琀愀渀愀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] raisin wine update in Texas ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 攀砀瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀Ⰰ 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀眀漀 眀椀渀攀爀椀攀猀 椀渀 吀攀砀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀欀攀 爀愀椀猀椀渀 眀椀渀攀㨀ഊ ਀䈀爀甀渀漀 愀渀搀 䜀攀漀爀最攀 圀椀渀攀爀礀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀爀甀渀漀愀渀搀最攀漀爀最攀⸀挀漀洀⼀爀愀椀猀椀渀开眀椀渀攀⸀栀琀洀ഊLehm Berg Winery: http://www.lehmbergwinery.com/wines.html ਀ഊI didn't find these easily while shopping for ingredients, though, so ਀䤀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀搀 愀 爀攀搀 瀀漀爀琀 ⠀眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 戀攀攀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 氀攀攀欀猀 愀渀搀 眀椀渀攀⤀ 愀渀搀 椀琀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 漀甀琀 瘀攀爀礀 渀椀挀攀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀縀䄀甀爀攀氀椀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:57:25 +0000 (GMT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 攀洀椀氀椀漀 猀稀愀戀漀 㰀攀洀椀氀椀漀开猀稀愀戀漀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀椀琀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] wines -- De diuersorum vini generum natura liber, ਀ऀ㄀㔀㔀㤀 ⠀戀漀漀欀猀⸀最漀漀最氀攀⤀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀ഊBook about the nature of the different kinds of wine ਀⠀氀椀戀攀爀 ⴀ 搀攀 渀愀琀甀爀愀 ⴀ 搀椀瘀攀爀猀漀爀甀洀 最攀渀攀爀甀洀 ⴀ 瘀椀渀椀 ⤀ഊ ਀渀愀琀甀爀愀⼀渀愀琀甀爀攀 㴀 栀甀洀漀爀愀氀Ⰰ 洀攀搀椀挀愀氀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀洀攀渀琀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀戀漀漀欀猀⸀最漀漀最氀攀⸀挀漀洀⼀戀漀漀欀猀㼀 ഊid=6O7VubsbM_QC&printsec=frontcover&dq=intitle:vini&lr=&num=100&as_brr=1 ਀☀栀氀㴀搀攀⌀倀倀吀㄀Ⰰ䴀㄀ഊ ਀䔀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:24:38 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀倀栀椀氀 吀爀漀礀 ⼀ 䜀⸀ 吀愀挀椀琀甀猀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀∀ 㰀愀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀㄀ 愀琀 瘀攀爀椀稀漀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 渀漀渀ⴀ最爀愀瀀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀椀渀攀猀ഊ ਀伀渀 伀挀琀 ㄀㐀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀Ⰰ 愀琀 㜀㨀㄀㄀ 倀䴀Ⰰ 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< While I have a few non-grape wine recipes, it appears that most ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀椀渀攀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 琀漀搀愀礀㼀Ⰰ 眀攀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 最爀愀瀀攀猀⸀ 䄀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 猀漀洀攀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀  ഊpears and apples, get their own name. We tend to say apple cider or ਀瀀攀爀爀礀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 眀椀渀攀 漀爀 瀀攀愀爀 眀椀渀攀⸀  䤀 搀漀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 搀愀渀搀攀氀椀漀渀  ഊwine and a few other non-grape wines. Does anyone know of other ਀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 漀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 渀漀渀ⴀ最爀愀瀀攀 眀椀渀攀㼀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀渀攀 琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 昀椀渀搀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀  ഊfruits are satisfactorily fermentable without added sugar. ਀唀渀氀攀猀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 椀猀 猀瀀攀愀欀椀渀最 漀昀 昀甀氀氀礀 爀椀瀀攀 焀甀椀渀挀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀搀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 猀甀最愀爀 戀攀挀漀洀攀猀 洀漀爀攀 愀挀挀攀猀猀椀戀氀攀Ⰰ 氀攀猀猀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 愀渀搀 氀攀猀猀  ഊlikely to be viewed as a pharmaceutical the ਀氀愀琀攀爀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀攀 最攀琀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 愀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 琀漀 猀攀攀 洀漀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀  ഊtype of thing in later and post-period sources. ਀ഊAnd then, of course, there's the gap in exposure for most SCAdians ਀戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 愀渀搀 渀漀渀ⴀ䔀渀最氀椀猀栀Ⰰ 甀渀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:40:18 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀攀 愀琀 洀愀挀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 渀漀渀ⴀ最爀愀瀀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀椀渀攀猀ഊ ਀伀渀 伀挀琀 ㄀㐀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀Ⰰ 愀琀 㜀㨀㄀㄀ 倀䴀Ⰰ 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< Can someone post the recipe for this quince wine from this "Farley's ਀䄀爀琀 漀昀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀∀㼀 圀栀攀渀 眀愀猀 琀栀椀猀 瀀爀椀渀琀攀搀㼀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 愀爀琀 漀昀 挀漀漀欀攀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀漀甀猀攀欀攀攀瀀攀爀✀猀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 愀猀猀椀猀琀愀渀琀ഊ By John Farley ਀ഊQuince Wine. ਀ഊTAKE twenty large quinces, gathered when they be dry and full ripe. ਀圀椀瀀攀 琀栀攀洀 挀氀攀愀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 挀漀愀爀昀攀 挀氀漀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 最爀愀琀攀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 最爀愀琀攀 漀爀 爀愀昀瀀 愀猀 渀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀攀猀 愀猀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀㬀 戀甀琀 搀漀 渀漀琀 琀漀甀挀栀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀攀猀⸀ 䈀漀椀氀 愀 最愀氀氀漀渀 漀昀 昀瀀爀椀渀最ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀爀漀眀 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 焀甀椀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 戀漀椀氀  ഊfoftly about a quarter of an hour. Then strain them well into an ਀攀愀爀琀栀攀渀 瀀愀渀 漀渀 琀眀漀 瀀漀甀渀搀猀 漀昀 搀漀甀戀氀攀ⴀ爀攀昀椀渀攀搀 昀甀最愀爀⸀ 倀愀爀攀 琀栀攀 瀀攀攀氀 漀昀昀  ഊtwo large lemons, throw them in, and fqueeze the juice through a ਀昀椀攀瘀攀⸀ 匀琀椀爀 椀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀椀氀氀 椀琀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀漀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 琀漀愀昀琀 愀 琀栀椀渀 戀椀琀  ഊof bread very brown, rub a little yeft on it, and let the whole ftand ਀挀氀漀昀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 琀眀攀渀琀礀ⴀ昀漀甀爀 栀漀甀爀猀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 琀愀欀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 琀漀愀昀琀 愀渀搀 氀攀洀漀渀Ⰰ  ഊput the wine in a cafk, keep it three months, and then bottle it. If ਀礀漀甀 洀愀欀攀 愀 琀眀攀渀琀礀 最愀氀氀漀渀 挀愀昀欀Ⰰ 氀攀琀 椀琀 昀琀愀渀搀 昀椀砀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 礀漀甀  ഊbottle it; and remember, when you ftrain your quinces, to wring them ਀栀愀爀搀 椀渀 愀 挀漀愀爀昀攀 挀氀漀琀栀⸀∀ഊ ਀䤀琀✀猀 甀瀀 漀渀 䜀漀漀最氀攀 䈀漀漀欀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀  䔀搀椀琀椀漀渀㨀 㐀 ⴀ ㄀㜀㠀㜀⸀ 瀀愀最攀 ㌀㘀㐀ഊ ਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:00:58 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀攀 愀琀 洀愀挀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 渀漀渀ⴀ最爀愀瀀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀椀渀攀猀ഊ ਀伀渀 伀挀琀 ㄀㐀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀Ⰰ 愀琀 㜀㨀㄀㄀ 倀䴀Ⰰ 匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀猀欀攀搀㨀 㰀㰀㰀 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀  ഊreferences to or recipes for non-grape wine? >>> ਀ഊHere's the beginning of what ਀䴀愀椀猀漀渀 爀甀猀琀椀焀甀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 吀栀攀 挀漀甀渀琀爀攀礀 昀愀爀洀攀㼀 䌀漀洀瀀礀氀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 琀漀渀最甀攀  ഊby Charles Steuens, and Iohn Liebault, Doctors of Physicke. And ਀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 戀礀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 匀甀爀昀氀攀琀Ⰰ 瀀爀愀挀琀椀琀椀漀渀攀爀 椀渀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀欀攀⸀  ഊNow newly reuiewed, corrected, and augmented, .... by Geruase Markham. ਀㄀㘀㄀㘀ഊ ਀猀愀礀猀㨀ഊ ਀䌀䠀䄀倀⸀ 堀䰀䤀堀⸀ഊA briefe discourse of making of drinkes of the iuices of Fruits. ਀开䤀一 猀甀挀栀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 愀猀 琀栀攀 瘀椀渀攀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 戀攀愀爀攀 昀爀甀椀琀 椀渀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀  ഊcold distemperature and churlish roughnesse of the aire, and whereas ਀渀漀琀簀眀椀琀栀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀爀攀 最爀漀眀 猀椀渀最甀氀愀爀 最漀漀搀 昀爀甀椀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀渀 最爀攀愀琀  ഊaboundance in recompence of the same (as in Britaine, Normandie, the ਀挀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀 漀昀 䴀愀渀猀Ⰰ 䌀栀愀爀琀爀愀椀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 吀漀甀爀愀椀渀攀⤀ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀攀 琀栀攀  ഊmeanes to make Wine of a certaine kind of corne, called Bier: yet by ਀爀攀愀猀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀攀猀猀攀 挀漀猀琀 愀渀搀 挀栀愀爀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀氀猀漀 戀礀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀攀爀  ഊprofit, they vse to make diuers sorts of drinkes of fruits: and to ਀最椀甀攀 琀栀攀洀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀攀甀攀爀愀氀氀 愀渀搀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 渀愀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 猀攀甀攀爀愀氀 愀渀搀  ഊparticular fruits whereof they are made. As for example, that which is ਀洀愀搀攀 漀昀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 挀椀搀攀爀 漀爀 挀椀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 琀栀攀 一漀爀洀愀渀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀  ഊbordering thereupon doe call it, as hauing a smell or other excellent ਀焀甀愀氀椀琀椀攀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀椀琀爀漀渀⸀ 倀攀爀爀椀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀  ഊPeares, and ceruise Wine, quinceWine, pomegranat Wine, mulberrie Wine, ਀最漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀 圀椀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀氀漀㼀圀椀渀攀Ⰰ 瘀瘀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 樀甀椀挀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀  ഊfruits pres|sed out. And hereof vve are to obserue that all fruits are ਀渀漀琀 昀椀琀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 圀椀渀攀 漀昀㬀 戀甀琀 漀渀攀氀礀 琀栀漀猀攀 瘀瘀栀椀挀栀 瘀瘀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 瀀甀琀爀椀昀椀攀  ഊeasily, and haue great quantitie of Wine juice vvithin them, of vvhich ਀欀椀渀搀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 瘀瘀栀攀爀攀漀昀 䤀 栀愀甀攀 渀漀眀 猀瀀漀欀攀渀⸀ 䘀漀爀 漀昀 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀  ഊnot any Wine to be pressed, because their juice doth easily corrupt ਀愀渀搀 瀀甀琀爀椀昀椀攀 瘀攀爀椀攀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀㨀 渀攀椀琀栀攀爀 礀攀琀 漀昀 䄀氀洀漀渀搀猀Ⰰ 䌀漀洀洀漀渀 渀甀琀猀Ⰰ  ഊFilberds, Pine, nuts, or other such fruits, for they yeeld an oylie ਀愀渀搀 渀漀琀 愀 圀椀渀攀ⴀ氀椀欀攀 栀甀洀漀甀爀⸀ 䈀甀琀 昀漀爀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 愀猀 眀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀搀  ഊto speake in this place of all these sorts of fruit drinkes, but onely ਀漀昀 琀栀攀洀 瘀瘀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 挀椀搀攀爀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀爀椀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀愀爀愀猀椀攀Ⰰ 瘀瘀栀椀挀栀 渀攀砀琀 瘀渀琀漀  ഊthe juice of the vine, are the most profitable and necessarie liquor ਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀昀攀 愀渀搀 栀攀愀氀琀栀 漀昀 洀愀渀㨀 瘀瘀攀 瘀瘀椀氀氀 猀攀琀 搀漀眀渀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 栀愀渀搀 愀  ഊcertaine summarie, and as it vvere a transition and plaine declaration ਀漀昀 愀渀搀 瘀渀琀漀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 琀栀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀猀 愀氀猀漀 漀昀 愀渀搀 瘀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 焀甀愀氀椀琀椀攀猀 愀渀搀  ഊvertues of the said cider, perrie, and carasie, and will referre the ਀刀攀愀搀攀爀 瘀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 䰀愀琀椀渀攀 䈀漀漀欀攀 渀漀眀 氀漀渀最 愀最漀攀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 昀漀爀 昀爀漀洀 䴀漀甀渀簀猀椀攀爀  ഊPaulmie Doctor of Physicke at Paris, therein to read and learne the ਀椀渀琀椀爀攀 愀渀搀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 猀漀 瀀氀攀愀猀愀渀琀 愀渀搀 搀攀氀椀最栀琀猀漀洀攀 愀  ഊdrinke. And to begin with our purposed matter, I intend not here to ਀猀琀愀渀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 椀渀簀甀攀渀琀漀甀爀 愀渀搀 搀攀甀椀猀漀甀爀 漀昀  ഊthis drinke; onely I will say, that as Noe carried away with the ਀瀀氀攀愀猀愀渀琀 琀愀猀琀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 樀甀椀挀攀Ⰰ 瘀瘀栀椀挀栀 栀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最爀愀瀀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀  ഊwild vine planted by him, was the first inuentor of making and ਀搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀 瘀瘀椀渀攀㨀 猀漀 愀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀攀 一漀爀洀愀渀 栀愀甀椀渀最 栀椀猀 琀愀猀琀攀 瘀瘀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀氀礀  ഊpleased vvith a delicate and daintie taste and rellish of the iuice of ਀䄀瀀瀀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 倀攀愀爀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀甀攀渀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 漀昀 䌀椀搀攀爀 愀渀搀 倀攀爀爀椀攀 䤀 猀愀礀Ⰰ 愀  ഊcertaine Norman, for this is in base Normandie called the Countrey of ਀一攀ⴀ稀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀椀猀 搀爀椀渀欀攀 栀愀搀 昀椀爀猀琀 栀椀猀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀攀渀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀猀攀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 搀爀椀渀欀攀猀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 椀猀 琀漀 最愀琀栀攀爀  ഊthe fruit not all out ripe, and after to let them ripen some certaine ਀琀椀洀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀瀀攀渀 愀礀爀攀 漀爀 琀漀 搀爀椀攀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀甀渀渀攀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀攀渀搀椀渀最  ഊand wasting of their waterie humour; then to breake and crush them ਀眀椀琀栀 䴀椀氀ⴀ猀琀漀渀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 猀甀挀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀攀愀甀椀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀洀攀渀琀猀㬀 愀渀搀 氀愀猀琀氀礀Ⰰ 琀漀  ഊpresse them out: but withall you must obserue this speciall qualitie ਀椀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀攀 䄀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀 氀漀渀最攀爀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 欀攀瀀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀椀瀀攀爀 琀栀攀礀  ഊbe, the better and greater store of iuice they yeeld, though then ਀椀渀搀攀攀搀 椀琀 戀攀 渀漀琀 猀漀 搀甀爀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀爀愀爀椀攀Ⰰ 眀椀氀搀 倀攀愀爀攀猀 搀漀攀 礀攀攀氀搀 洀漀爀攀 氀椀焀甀漀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀昀 愀 戀攀琀琀攀爀  ഊtast, and withall of longer continuance, than doe the tame and garden ਀漀渀攀猀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 椀甀椀挀攀 椀猀 瀀爀攀猀簀猀攀搀 漀甀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 瀀甀琀  ഊinto caske, for to boile therein a certaine time, and to be ordered ਀愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 洀愀渀渀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀搀攀爀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀甀椀挀攀 漀昀 䜀爀愀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀 椀渀琀攀渀搀  ഊto declare more particularly. ਀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 ㄀㘀㔀㠀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 甀瀀 渀漀眀 漀渀 䜀漀漀最氀攀 䈀漀漀欀猀 戀礀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 愀猀 椀猀  ഊthe 1640 French edition. The work appeared as early as "published in ਀㄀㔀㘀㐀 愀猀 䰀✀䄀最爀椀挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 漀甀 氀愀 洀愀椀猀漀渀 爀甀猀琀椀焀甀攀⸀∀ഊ ਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:23:29 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀攀 愀琀 洀愀挀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 渀漀渀ⴀ最爀愀瀀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀椀渀攀猀ഊ ਀䌀漀甀氀搀 戀攀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 瀀爀椀渀琀椀渀最 䄀爀渀漀氀搀 搀攀 嘀椀氀氀愀渀漀瘀愀 椀渀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 猀漀 瀀漀爀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 眀漀爀欀猀 愀琀琀爀椀戀甀琀攀搀 琀漀 栀椀洀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 椀渀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀欀栀愀洀 椀洀瀀爀漀瘀攀搀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀㄀㘀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀愀椀氀漀爀攀搀 琀漀 愀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 愀甀搀椀攀渀挀攀⸀ഊWe know he often borrowed too. This advice all gets recycled to some ਀攀砀琀攀渀琀 椀渀 吀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 䠀漀甀猀攀眀椀昀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 挀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 愀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 ㄀㘀㔀㠀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀   ഊup now on Google Books is wrong. I think that's just another French edition. ਀ഊJohnnae ਀ഊOn Oct 16, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius wrote: ਀伀渀 伀挀琀 ㄀㘀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀Ⰰ 愀琀 ㄀㄀㨀　　 䄀䴀Ⰰ 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< Here's the beginning of what ਀䴀愀椀猀漀渀 爀甀猀琀椀焀甀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 吀栀攀 挀漀甀渀琀爀攀礀 昀愀爀洀攀㼀 䌀漀洀瀀礀氀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀  ഊtongue by Charles Steuens, and Iohn Liebault, Doctors of Physicke. ਀䄀渀搀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 戀礀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 匀甀爀昀氀攀琀Ⰰ 瀀爀愀挀琀椀琀椀漀渀攀爀 椀渀  ഊphysicke. Now newly reuiewed, corrected, and augmented, .... by ਀䜀攀爀甀愀猀攀 䴀愀爀欀栀愀洀⸀ ㄀㘀㄀㘀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀猀渀✀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀 眀椀搀攀氀礀 爀甀洀漀爀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀愀氀氀礀 挀爀椀戀戀攀搀 昀爀漀洀  ഊArnold de Villanova? ਀ഊAdamantius ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀　㨀㌀　㨀㌀㜀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: David Friedman ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] non-grape period wines ਀ഊI believe there is some basis in Islamic tradition for holding that ਀搀愀琀攀 眀椀渀攀 昀攀爀洀攀渀琀攀搀 渀漀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀爀攀攀 搀愀礀猀 椀猀 瀀攀爀洀椀猀猀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 ഊseen any recipes and I don't know whether one should describe ਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 愀猀 愀 眀椀渀攀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀漀爀琀 愀 昀攀爀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ-- ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊwww.daviddfriedman.com ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ昀爀甀椀琀ⴀ眀椀渀攀猀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㄀㈀ 漀昀 ㄀㈀ഊ ਊ