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Different types of archery shoots.


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From: graydon at micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon Saunders)

Date: 16 Nov 91 00:51:58 GMT

Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.


Greetings unto the Rialto from Graydon who goes on and on...


Hal mentions the York Round, and implies that it's period.  Well - it

might be *more* period, but the York Round dates from the English Regency.

It consists of 6 dozen arrows fired at 100 yards, 4 dozen arrows fired at

80 yards, and 2 dozen arrows fired at 60 yards, for a total of 144 arrows.


It is important to remember that one of the chief advantages of the English

War Bow was *range*; Crecy was the occaision of a lot (maybe 15 000)

Burgundian crossbowmen finding out that they didn't have the range advantage

anymore... Period practice would have been at full war ranges - we're

talking 250 yard clout shoots; the Archers of Arden, an English Longbow

Society, still occaisionally shoot 12 score yard clouts.







From: 00mjstum at leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Matthew J. Stum)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Critique of new archery shoot wanted.

Date: 29 Jun 93 19:45:33 GMT

Organization: Widget Enterprises


Greetings unto the Archers of the Rialto!


I am preparing our archery competition for our September 11th event

(blatant plug!) and I've come to this Bridge to seek opinions on a new

part I'm devising.   After the required synchronized-clout and other

shoots I wanted to have something the archers could do off and on all

day to gather points w/o being stuck shooting required shoots or

shooting at boring 5-ring targets.


Here's what I've come up with:


[to archers based upon what I've read in Toxophilus] "As we all know,

the shooting of the bow is a good and honourable sport and every man

[forgive the gender... it's meant to be neutral] should partake of it.

But we also all know that some men partake of naughty and undesirable

activities such as dicing.  And so, in order to attract those mean and

naughty men to the sport of archery, today we shall use... dice!"


At that time sets of two large wooden dice are presented.  The 6 faces of

one are marked with an hourglass, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.  The other die is

marked with a solid-colored circle, a "wand", and a human-shaped figure. (2

faces of each marking)


At 20 yards will be a wand target.  At 30 yards will be a circular target

roughly the size of a 3-point ring.  At 40 yards will be a man-sized target

recycled from the clout shoot.


The shoot will basically be a challenge shoot... a pair of archers

decide to face off against each other and they each throw one of the

dies. The second die obviously determines which target they will be

shooting at. The first die determines how many arrows they will shoot.

The winner gets as many points as the difference between their number

of hits.  i.e. If Erik Sapsplitter scores 3 hits and Bob Barnsideseeker

only scores 1 hit, Erik gets 2 points.  If the first die rolls an

hourglass, the two archers shoot a 30-second timed round using as many

arrows as they wish.


Hopefully this kind of shoot will allow a more relaxed line and others

that don't wish to participate can still have fun practicing at the

clout or even the competition targets themselves.  Or wander over to

the merchents or whatever.


Have I missed something fundamental that will make this a pain to run

or participate in?  Anyone have any suggestions or twists that they'd

like to see?  Oh, and feel free to give this a try in your own practices

or competitions and let me know how it turns out.


And if anyone is wondering, when the designated hour arrives, the top

25% of the archers continue to the final competition and their scores are

all dropped...  (and the final round is a nerve-breaker to be sure... :-)


Many thanx!




Matt Stum                    Gwydion ap Myrddin       Ball State University

00mjstum at bsuvc.bsu.edu       Shire of Afonlyn, MK     Muncie, IN  USA



Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: salamon at brahms.udel.edu (Andrew Salamon)

Subject: Long range archery scoring

Keywords: Archery, long range

Organization: Calafia/Caid

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 05:25:59 GMT


Lord Bleyddyn ap Rhys, (soon to be) Captain of Archers for the Barony of

Calafia, doth send greetings to one and all.


The College of St. Artemas (thanks to UCSD) now has an archery range that

goes out to 100 yards. Since I have long been interested in shooting at

longer ranges than is standard in the SCA, I decided to start a new type of

ongoing competition based on longer ranges.


My first step was to follow up on a rumor I had heard about a group called

the Long Rangers. The Long Rangers were a Drieburgen order and I will only

present their method of scoring, but anyone who would like more information

should contact the Drieburgen Captain of Archers. (Any error in the information

below is mine alone.)

The Long Rangers shot two normal ends each at 20, 30, and 40 yards, plus two

ends at 60 yards with any arrow on the bale counting 1/2 point and all

scoring arrows counting double their normal value. If you shot over a certain

score and maintained a certain average you were admitted to the order.


Although this seems like a good scoring method, I wanted something that went

out to longer ranges, and here is the result:

Archers would shoot rounds of 3 ends of 6 arrows each, at each of three

ranges (18 arrows total). I also would like to have the archers start at the

longer ranges and work their way in. One practice end of up to 6 arrows is

allowed before each for-score end. Scoring would be on standard 60cm targets

with standard values, plus 1/2 point for each arrow outside the scoring rings

but still on the butt. The butt should be approximately the size of four hay

bales with the cut ends (non-string sides) facing the archer. This is

approximately 12?? square feet. One of the round sisal cord butts could be

used as well.

Which ranges they would shoot at would depend on their current "Long Ranger"

rank and what rank they were trying for. The ranks and their ranges are:


Apprentice Long Ranger    50, 60, 70 yds

Journeyman Long Ranger    60, 70, 80 yds

Master Long Ranger  70, 80, 90 yds

Grand-Master Long Ranger  80, 90, 100 yds


In order to qualify for a rank an archer would need to have the average of

his three best rounds at the appropriate ranges for any given year be at least

15 points. Also, an archer must work his way up the ranks, i.e. even if you

shoot for score and make Master Ranger, you don't hold that rank unless you

were already a Journeyman etc. Also, each archer would have a permanent rank,

which would be the highest rank that archer had ever achieved and a temporary

rank, which would be whatever rank his current three highest scores entitle

him to. An archer would have the option of using either rank during



Any and all suggestions would be appreciated, especially if you have any

better suggestions for the rank titles. Also, If you have access to a range

and can record some scores, I would very much like to hear from you. Please

send scores, and the name and standard rank of the archer to me at the address

below (and a description of your ranking system if your not from Caid) .

As a last note, none of this is set in stone, and for now none of this is

official. I am working on this as a personal project, and when I think most of

the bugs are worked out I may present it to my Baronial council and I will

certainly let as many other archers know about it as possible.


Yours in Service

Bleyddyn ap Rhys

salamon at jeeves.ucsd.edu




Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: kdz at sae.com (Douglas Zimmerman)

Subject: Re: Long range archery scoring

Keywords: Archery, long range

Organization: Template Software

Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 18:46:58 GMT


From Galen Woodwalker, Archery Marshal of the Barony of Storvik, Atlantia,

Greetings to All.


I fully approve of getting SCA archers out of the IKAC/Royal Round rut,

and getting them to shoot something resembling medieval archery.

I have long wanted to shoot competitions at distances over 40 yards,

but NAA-style archers with sights and stuff just clean my clock.

I encourage any efforts to introduce standard rounds at longer ranges.


But I have one major problem with your suggested rounds - the notion of

'on the butt'.  By not having a standardized target size, you cannot reliably

compare scores from different shoots.  I suggest that you go to a standard

122 cm (48") target face, and score it using English (9-7-5-3-1)

or FITA scoring (10-9-8-...).  Nobody shoots at 60cm targets at over 40 yards;

FITA, the NAA, and the English Grand National Archery Society all use

122cm faces.


If you have difficulties locating 122cm faces or targets, I can help.

I find that ethafoam works well, and comes in 4'x9' sheets, so you

can easily make a double-thickness 4' target out of it.  Faces can be obtained

from any number of places; call Lancaster Archery (717-394-7229) for a few,

or Maple Leaf Press (616-846-8844) if you want to order 100 faces (which may

be mixed sizes, e.g. 90 60cm and 10 122cm).  I am also getting info on

someone one makes cloth target faces, which last a long time.  Making

a target stand takes about $15 of materials and an evening with simple tools.


I also suggest that instead of making up some new short round of 54 arrows,

you use one of the standard English rounds, or even the American round.

The FAQ posted on Alt.archery gives all the standard rounds, ranging from 72

to 144 arrows.


Here is a quick summary of standard English rounds, taken from the

Alt.archery FAQ:


Outdoor - GNAS rounds (5 zone scoring)

only on 122cm face

                      100yd 80yd 60yd 50yd 40yd 30yd 20yd

York                  | 72   48   24

Hereford              |      72   48   24

Bristol 1             |      72   48   24

Bristol 2             |           72   48   24

Bristol 3             |                72   48   24

Bristol 4             |                     72   48   24

St. George            | 36   36   36

Albion                |      36   36   36

Windsor               |           36   36   36

Short Windsor         |                36   36   36

Junior Windsor        |                     36   36   36

New Western           | 48   48

Long Western          |      48   48

Western               |           48   48

Short Western         |                48   48

Junior Western        |                     48   48

Short Junior Western  |                          48   48

American              |           30   30   30

St. Nicholas          |                     48   36

New National          | 48   24

Long National         |      48   24

National              |           48   24

Short National        |                48   24

Junior National       |                     48   24

Short Junior National |                          48   24


One reason to introduce a new round would be if you added something

like timed rounds, which pretty much only the SCA shoots.  As an archery

teacher, I dislike speed rounds, as they tend to lead to bad form.

Especially at longer distances, form is critical, and I think having a

speed round in 'the' standard long-distance shoot would be counter-productive.


Another reason would be if you thought the xisting rounds were too long.

But if you do introduce a new round, please have it be at least 72 arrows,

say 24 arrows at each distance.  This is the length of an IKAC, which can

be shot in 2-3 hours.  Any less than this is hardly a real competition.


Back in the 19th century, most archery tournaments were York rounds.

They tended to take all day, and the scores were rather embarrassing.

For most of the 19th century, most archers didn't even *hit* the face

half the time.  Things improved by the early 20th century, and really

took of with the introduction of modern equipment, of course.

I would like to see the SCA eventually move up to shooting York rounds,

but I expect that is years off.  We need to work up to 100 yards,

but I see no reason why the SCA shouldn't be shooting at 60yd today.


As for the ranking system, I thought there were already ranking systems based

on Royal Rounds in most kingdoms.  A second system would get confusing.

And if I understand correctly, your ranks wouldn't be based on scores,

but only on shooting a minimal score in a given round.  I fail to see the

purpose in this; it encourages moving to longer ranges, but doesn't encourage

shooting better.  


I started a thread on archery rankings a bit ago, to understand how different

kingdoms do it, and what it has actually accomplished.  My opinion is that

the existing systems encourage skill at short ranges, while discouraging

even shooting at longer ones.  I think that this is far too limited and

far too easy.


I certainly wouldn't introduce a ranking system until the round has been

shot for a few years, to see how people score.  One of the troubles with the

existing RR rankings is they were established before there were any really

good archers, when an 80 RR seemed like a major accomplishment.  I would also

think hard about the purpose of rankings - is it just a carrot to get people

to shoot, or  just another award to add to a collection, or a way of

seperating archers into different divisions in a shoot, or is it really

a recognition of skill at archery?


What I would like to see, however, is something like the IKAC, but shot at

longer distances.  As far as I know, the IKAC has no official sanction;

its just Fitz-Rauf keeping score and handing out prizes all on his own.

But the fact that it was presented as a Society-wide competition,

and the scores are printed regularly in Kingdom newsletters, has made it

a standard.  I see no reason why the same thing cannot be done again.


I was planning to run such a competetion myself next year in Atlantia,

using something like the American round, shooting at 40-60 yd.  Until we

get a lot better down here, anything longer will have too few archers

able to hit anything.  Should it work out, I was thinking of trying to

take it society wide in a few years.  But I would be just as happy

if somebody else did it first.


In any case, good luck with your archery.


                              Yours in Service,




Douglas Zimmerman  kdz at template.com  uunet!template!kdz   703-318-1218

Template Software  13100 Worldgate Dr, Ste 340  Herndon, VA 22070-4382



From: vader at meryl.CSd.uu.SE

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Long range archery

Date: 7 Nov 1993 06:47:21 -0500


William de Corbie, archery captain of Nordmark, greets all.


I applaud the ideas about longer range archery. Here in Nordmark,

we are presently moving away from the Royal Round and 5-ringed

FITA targets. Neither the round or the targets are period, and

we would like to do something more authentic with our archery.


The best idea that has been presented so far, is a round with

no limit. We could start at 20 yards and shoot 6 arrows at a

white piece of paper, e.g. a standard A4 sheet that has been

folded square. Or perhaps a paper plate (the kind you eat off).

Anyone who hits the mark with at least one arrow goes on to

the next segment.

We then increase the distance by 10 yards, again and again.

Anyone who misses all 6 arrows is out. Distance is increased

until either only one archer hits the mark (who will then

be the winner), or until nobody hits it; in the latter case

the winner can be the archer with the highest number of hits

total (accumulated). This means that distance could go as

high as 100 yards or more, theoretically. I guess that in

most cases, the competition would be over at 50 or 60 yards,

given the present standard of our archers here.


I see little point in combining this with a speed shoot.

Considering the military longbow archery, it seems to me

that speed shooting was more important when showering the

approaching froggie knights with arrows; hence, I would

prefer to combine the above with a clout shoot at some

pretty large distance (60-100 yards if possible), which

would be the speed round.


Any comments?





From: Paul A. Byers (6/27/94)

To: Mark Harris

RE>Lilies VIII - Pavel's view


> In article <C1EFC646BF at uasaturn.uark.edu> you write:

> >Lilies VIII  - Through Pavel's eyes

> >

> >    The next morning, Tues., after a breakfast of eggs with collard

> >greens, pancakes, sausage and bacon , I shot a lot of archery. His

> >Grace Lorell (Chubs) did a great job of having some very fun shoots.

> >The pop-n-jay was very fun. I even got one good hit on the critter.

> >Archery was more fun than it had been in a while.

> >

> What exactly was this pop-n-jay shoot? Sounds like it might be fun,

> but I'm not sure exactly what it was.


It was a foam turkey elevated on a pole about 25 foot. You shot at it

with Fu-Fu arrows supplied by Lorrel. Was a hoot! Also had head to

head 'kill the other guy' shoots that were fun.





From: James Prescott (12/4/95)

To: Mark.S Harris

RE>3YC Archery Schedule (and other missile activites)


On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Mark.S Harris wrote:


> What's a "York round"?


I had to go and look it up myself.


There are several flavours. The original, early 1800's, was:


72 arrows at 100 yards

48 arrows at 80 yards

24 arrows at 60 yards


Since I've never shot it myself, I don't actually know which

version of the York round is normally shot in the SCA.


All my best,

Thorvald Grimsson/James Prescott (james at nucleus.com)



Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:30:06 +0000

From: ulvar at pipcom.com <ulvar at pipcom.com>

To: John Edgerton <sirjon at netcom.com>

Subject: Re: SCA archery (fwd)


> Our Canton just received permission to use a city park to use for archery

> practice.  We will be having weekly practices and monthly tournaments.  We

> would like to know what other groups are doing for fun shoots.


Fun shoot!




We have a fun shoot up here in Petrea Thule (Peterborough Ont.,) that

we call a Thulish Distilation. We have a variety of target on 6

butts. We each get to shoot 6 arrows. The first person to shoot gets

to call the 6 shoots of 1 arrow each. example 60cm on butt five for

reverse score, Bulleye on target 2, closest to the bottom left corner

on 3, etc.


After all archers have shot we tally the scores. Person with the

highest score gets to call the next round.


Lowest score gets to sit down once you go below 7 archers you shot 1

arrows less than the number of archers. In case of a tie between the

two lowest archers all archers from previous round may stay in the



Eventualy 2 archers get 1 shot where the first archer calls the shoot

then shoot and the second archer gets to see where the first archer

shoot and tries to do better or at least equal to the first archers



Hey it's Thulish I know.





Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:27:09 -0500 (EST)

From:CarlNikki at aol.com

To: sirjon at netcom.com

Subject: Re: SCA archery (fwd)


   I just marshalled an event this weekend.  We had a Royal Round (see IKAC

rules), a slit shoot (6 inch by 2 foot vertical slit, representing an arrow

slit in a castle wall- objective is to get arrows into the slit and kill the

archer, arrows touching the lines don't count as they would have hit the edge

of the stone) and braggart's shoot (each archer takes six arrows and starts

walking away from the target, putting an arrow or arrows into the ground at

points where he/she thinks she/he can hit the objective- in this case, first

to hit the tatget and first to hit the gold on the target.  At the furtherest

arrow from the target, that archer takes his arrow and shoots.  If all

objestives are not done, next archer shoots and so on, until either all

arrows are shot or all objectives are met).  A wand shoot is fun. Run a strip

of duct tape verically on the target face (green, red or other stand out

color is great).  At 20 yards, with six arrows, hit the tape.  With good

archers, if more then one archer hits the tape, go to 30 yards and out until

only one archer hits the tape.  If two or more hit at one range and all miss

at the next, the archer with the most hits wins.  I have shot a contest of

call shot in Calontir wher the target face had different 4 inch circles.  We

had to call the color we were shooting for and got another shot (at another

color) only if we hit the called color (this can be tough), range 20 yards.


     Hope these are helpful.  Glad to see someone who is interested in

putting fun into practice.





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 20:58:54 -0800

From: Dana J. Tweedy <tweedyd at emh1.pa.net>

To: John Edgerton <sirjon at netcom.com>

Subject: Re: SCA archery ?ikaclist


I came up with a shoot that we had a lot of fun with here in the south

west corner of the East Kingdom,  It consists of dividing up the standard

target face into 6 sections, then each archer rolls a six sided die to

find out which section he shoots at, Points are standard Gold-5 Red-4,

Blue-3 Black-2, white-1 (with a 10 point spot in the very center), but

only in the section the archer rolls.  Arrows in other sections don't

count.   We have also done some "Roving Range" shoots with varous targets

at various distances.

                        Karl Rasmussen of Tvede



Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 00:38:46 EST

From: Jeffrey A Kulback <siegstan at juno.com>

To: gameroom at infowest.com


>We're planning an archery event this fall and would like some suggestions

>and requirements to holding one.  One of our ideas is a walking archery

>range where you are walking to various targets and related skill activities

>(similar to a mountain man contest).  Any ideas, comments, or suggestions?



>gameroom at infowest.com


Sounds like what we call a Walk-through in Calontir.  Small groups of

archers with a marshal walk along a path.  When they come upon a target

they shoot one or two arrows at it, score and retrieve, and move further

along the path.


This works well with a hunting theme (animal targets, especially 3-D

animal targets), or as a combat theme (enemy snipers in the woods, or

maybe just poachers).  The real challenge here is that being in the woods

or on a field, with targets at a variety of non-standard distances,

judging distance becomes a critical part of the competition.  Allowing

two shots lets the archer use one as a ranging arrow with a chance to hit

on the second shot.


This can be a straight path through the woods, or it can zig-zag to allow

more targets in a smaller area.  Depending upon where each target is and

where each firing point is, you often cannot let more than one group of

archers (with marshal) in the walk-through at one time.  This is not like

golf where you can just yell "fore" and hope everyone ducks.


Ideally this is best set up in a loop.  Groups walk along the loop with

the firing points at the outer edge of the loop.  The targets are outside

the loop with the firing lanes pointing outwards from the loop.  From

above this would look like a sunburst.


Another "walking around" type of archery shoot is "Archery Golf". This

one takes up a LOT of open space.


One "hole" consists of a firing point, usually a stake in the ground,

from where the archers shoot their first arrows.  The target is located

anywhere from 100 to 300 yards away (or more).  The target is often

marked with a pole or something visible if the target is not close enough

to see.  The target can be a bale of straw, a stuffed burlap bag, a

marked circle on the ground, or anything else that can be shot at from

360 degrees.  A typical shoot can have from three to nine or more "holes"

depending upon the space available and the ingenuity of the people

setting up (who says you can't shoot at each hole from each tee.)


All archers shoot their first arrow.  The one with an arrow farthest from

the target stands over the arrow, pulls it and  shoots his second shot.

The archer with the next closest arrow stands over it, pulls and shoots.

Then the next one, etc.  This takes coordination  to ensure that all

archers are BEHIND the one doing the shooting.  This gets especially

challenging when the arrows starts landing closer to and all around the

target. "Everyone move over here.  Now everyone move over there."

Still, it's a lot of fun.


This can be done, and is usually done, with standard field or target

points. When shooting at a target that is on the ground or just marked

on the ground, judo tipped arrows are handy.  If you miss, the overshoot

doesn't carry the arrow 20+ yards away.  I've also seen flu-flu (heavy

fletched) arrows used when an arrow landed behind a tree and the archer

wanted to lob a shot over the tree to the target area.


I hope this is helpful.


Siegfried Stanislaus (Calontir)



To: John Edgerton <sirjon at netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 14:00:16 -0800

From: Ravnos <sanctuary at koan.com>

Subject: Walking Archery Range


I thoroughly enjoyed a "field shoot" the Barbarian Freehold held at a Allthing (campout, party, etc) that was held in the Angelos National Park many years ago.  I believe Bragison (sp) was involved in setting up the shoot.  We were lead out as if on an actual hunting trip with a guide to lead us to where the game may be / or has known to have been.  It was our job to spot the targets. (these targets were pictures of wild life over what ever backing.


If it was a raccoon, it was only the size of a raccoon and if it was a bear it was the size of a bear (backing and all). The first incentive for points was the first archer on the walking team to spot the target.  Then from that range (whatever it was) all the archers could take a shot or two, then they would advance in increments and shoot at each stopping point to shoot. Once it was hit _well_ (you define). That target was over on to search for the next target. Some were obvious once you got close enough, others were more well concealed by their natural colors etc.  At one point a pull system was engaged to move a deer target across our field of vision and we had to shoot fast to have any chance of scoreing a hit.  Others were nessled in rocks so if you wanted the extra points and trusted you aim you could risk your arrows breaking on the rocks.  


You weren't required to shoot at any one target that was offered, so you weren't forced  to  risk your arrows! The funtional "speed round" though, was the point at which the  guide  stopped the rest of the party, and took us one at a time around a bend and down a  gully. "Nock an arrow and be ready!"  then they to left. A few moments later down the  gully,  (not from the direction of the other archers, and from a higher position in the  gully,) a giant black bear came accelerating down the gully at you ( you must hit it and hit   well enough to kill it before it can get to and _"Kill"_ You).  Even knowing it was  all  pictures and simple rope pullies, I tell you it got the adreniline pumping in this  archers veins.  (I had the honor of winning that year, but that's not the point).  win  loose or draw, it was really FUN!.   I believe Lord Pagenus will remember that field   shoot as well. He did really well also as would be expected.  Truth be known  Bragison  shot the highest total point score that day by a few points if I remember correctly, but  honorably declined the prize etc. as he had worked on some of the field before hand.


Anyway it was a really fun event, I'll look forward to what you are going to do. I hope any or all of this will be helpful.  


In Service to the Dream

Lord Yvon Bater of Darkwood

... Rav ...                                                                       



To: Mark Harris

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:52:23 -0800 (PST)

From: John Edgerton <sirjon at netcom.com>

Subject: Re: candle shoot


On 6 Mar 1997, Mark Harris wrote:

> THL Paganus Grimlove posted (about GWW archery):

> >Candle Shoot - Robert Lanternsmith


> How is a candle shoot done? Is the object to blow out a lit candle? Or

> just a fancy rod shoot?


> Stefan li Rous,

> Barony of Bryn Gwlad

> Ansteorra

> markh at risc.sps.mot.com


To snuff the candle.  And it is done in the dark.





To: John Edgerton

Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 11:11:39 -0500 (CST)

From: Mike Bird <mjbird at clavdivs.MN.ORG>

Subject: Re: walking Archery Range (ikac-list)


I belong to a (mundane) archery club (Coon Rapids' Rapid Archers) and we have a walk-thru range.  It's a wonderful thing to have, but it requires many-many acres since you  have to  make sure that the targets are spaced such that the longest possible flight from an  arrow  will still fall short of any other targets in the range.  


You also want to have the  trails from one target to another (we use thoses little flags that are used by the  telephone, gas, electric and underground watering companies to show where to install lines) are also  kept  safely away from the shotting lanes.  One of our most favorite events is the night 'coon shoot (we are in Coon (short for  raccoon) Rapids so that's what we call it).  We have targets shaped like raccoons, and the  only  illumination is a candle below the target.  I usually lose an arrow or two, but it  surely is  fun!


Name:         Michael J. Bird

E-Mail:              mjbird at clavdivs.mn.org

WWW:        http://www.skypoint.com/~mjbird/

SCA:          Umberto della Foresta di Cento Ettari (in submission)

Telephone:   (612) 470-4264

U.S.Snail:   5520 Zumbra Lane

           Excelsior, MN 55331-7714



Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:05:36 -0400 (EST)

From: Mike Bird <mjbird at clavdivs.MN.ORG>

Subject: Re: Archery comititions (ikac/list)


> From: Jim L Morrison <eisenhart at juno.com>


> I'm looking for information on "different" shoots to hold at Lilies. If

> you have any info on this please forward it to me.

> Different is defined as fun shoots suitable for 20-30 archers to

> complete in a hour and a half or less.


Well, I am having the same search for our Schutzenfest event.  This is the list  I've come up with so far:


Bird - A bird effigy on a pole, if you have several sizes of poles, even better.    You fire from quite near the base.


War Doors - You get a couple of war doors from the heavy weapons fighters (these

     are the LARGE sheilds that are occasionally used for showers!) and have an    archer huddled behind each one.  When the call to shoot is given, the

     archer has five (5!) seconds to leap out, loose two arrows, and get  

     COMPLETELY behind the shield again.


Castle - Make an enclosure out of wood that has enough space for an archer to  

     huddle behind, and has only a small slit to shoot out of.  Timed event.


Slit shoot - Take the contraption used in the Castle shoot, and put a target

     where the archer was.  Archers then try to shoot INTO the slit


Ring (wreath) - take some wreaths (straw wreaths used in flower arrangements

     will work) of different diameters.  Zero points for hitting the wreath,

     NEGATIVE points for hitting outside the wreaths, and positive points for

     hitting inside with the smaller diameters worth more than the larger.


Advancing Man - Two variations:

      Static (ala Pennsic) - have targets set up every 5 yards or so.  Timed             event where everyone starts by shooting the furthest target off,

           then switches to progressively nearer targets as the count goes on.  

           Higher points for the further off targets.

      Dynamic - Have a target mounted on a sled or wagon, with a rope which goes

           through two pulleys.  One at the archer's feet, the other the same

           distance away from the archer (although in a safe direction) as the

           target, then attaches to a harness which is worn by a fighter.  A

           bell is placed near the archer. When the signal is given, the archer

           looses arrows at the target while the fighter runs towards the

           archer.  When the fighter reaches (and rings) the bell, the shoot

           ends.  As the fighter advances towards the archer, the target does

           too.  Kinda fun, shooting at a moving target.


Clout - A 70 yard range with a VERY large target.  People have to shoot at 40+    



Water Bag - I have not done this at SCA.  I have seen it done at my archery

     club.  Two plastic baggies of water that are attached to each other via

     string over a pulley.  When you shoot one, it starts to lose water.  You

     have until the other one hits the ground to hit it.


"Traveling" target - Have a target (a mannikin in the livery of your

     traditional  foes is usually good) mounted with a pulley on a taught wire.  

     When a cable is pulled, the target moves. This could be combined with the

     dynamic advancing man if you     wish.


Reverse Scoring - A lot of fun.  Just take the standard target and reverse the

     score points.  You'll be surprised at how hard it is to deliberately get a  

     large score.  


That's all I can think of at the moment.  I will be attempting to implement at least some of these at the Barony of Nordskogen's Schutzenfest on May 31.  See the Web page  (URL below) for more details.  I invite ALL SCA archers to attend!  



Yours, in service.



Name:         Michael J. Bird

E-Mail:       mjbird at clavdivs.mn.org

SCA:          Umberto della Foresta di Cento Ettari (in submission)



Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:06:47 -0800 (PST)

From: Eric Bosley <ebosley at linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us>

To: John Edgerton <sirjon at netcom.com>

Subject: Re: Fun Shoots


Sir Jon,

        One of my favorite fun shoots was a William Tell type shoot where

we shot fruit off of someone's head.  We used war arrows at 15'.  Everyone

was wearing full light armor.  We used oranges instead of apples.  The

oranges were placed on the head of the teammate of the person shooting.

The first three of four shots pulvarized the oranges.


H. L. Eric de Dragonslaire.



From: Andrew Tye <atye at efn.org>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCA Archery Rounds (Types)

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:19:37 -0700

Organization: Oregon Public Networking


Adrian Hunsdon  writes:

>I am not yet a member of the SCA but you guys have really gotten this

>Brit intrigued!!.

>Do any of you guys (guys/gals/gentles/ARCHERS!!) shoot any of the "old"

>rounds - York/ST George/Herford etc rather than the modern FITA stuff??


Ivar here,


The York round is occasionally shot in the Canadian portions of An Tir,

(British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan).  It is not common because

the distance shot at (approx. 100 meters) requires a pretty large field

and a lot of time to walk back and forth.  I do not personally know the

rules and history of this particular round however.  Perhaps someone else,

(Thorvald?), knows.


Ivar Hakonarson

Adiantum, An Tir.



From: "Chatzie Massey" <admass at PETSmonsanto.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCA Archery Rounds (Types)

Date: 17 Jun 1997 12:27:17 GMT

Organization: Monsanto Company


Bronwynmgn <bronwynmgn at aol.com> wrote:

: Adrian Hunsdon  writes:


: >I am not yet a member of the SCA but you guys have really gotten this

: >Brit intrigued!!.

: >

: >Do any of you guys (guys/gals/gentles/ARCHERS!!) shoot any of the "old"

: >rounds - York/ST George/Herford etc rather than the modern FITA stuff??

: >

: I personally don't know any of those rounds, but I'd love to learn more!

: Please tell us about them!


: There are two standard rounds used in the SCA, the Royal Round and the

: Interkingdom Archery Competition (IKAC) rounds.  The Royal round is used

: to create the ranking system for archers.  Both are shot on a standardized

: modern target face (60 centimeter NAA-FITA five-color round). Scoring is

: 1-5 points from the outermost ring to the innermost.

: The Royal round is:

: 6 shots at your leisure at each of  20 yard,  30 yard, and  40 yard

: targets

: a 30 second timed shoot at 20 yards.

: The IKAC is:

: 12 shots at your leisure at each of  20, 30, and 40 yard targets

: 30 second speed rounds at each distance.


: We also do lots of other shoots that are relatively standardized, ie clout

: shoots, which is a target of a 10 yard diameter circle of stacked hay

: bales (anywhere from one to three high), with the center of the circle one

: hundred yards from the shooting line to simulate a castle tower (ideally

: shot uphill), with the object to get your arrows into the circle, and

: often extra points for hitting a life-size human figure set up inside the

: circle.


: Also an advancing warrior shoot; life-size targets set up at 70, 60, 50,

: 40, 30, and 20 yards from the shooting line, with each target called for 5

: seconds at which you may shoot only at it before moving to the next closer

: one, all to be shot in a 30 second time period.  The calling is done with

: a 5 second ready count (the word ready said on each second), followed by

: 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 50, 50, etc with each number being

: called on the second mark.


: There are a variety of other sorts of novelty shoots as well.

: Bronwyn

Well answered, Bronwyn!  There are LOTS of local fare for the toxophile.

In Arenal, we have the Dinky Dragon shoot.  Dinky is a creation that looks

like a fabled dragon.  He is usually made out of the nastiest or silliest

purple fabric I can find cheap, then he is stuffed with straw or pine

needles or cedar chips, whatever is handy (newspaper doesn't work as well

as it sounds).  Points are awarded for certain areas of the dragon, like 5

for the head, 4 for the neck, three for a leg two for the body, one for a

wing, and none for the tail (tail shots don't do much mortal damage, and

only tick off the dragon!).  In Osprey, they have a wall shoot.  The

shooters line up on the fort wall and shoot down to a target about 40'

below. The target is usually a very large sheet with various creatures

drawn upon it in different sizes.  There are more points for the smaller

creatures and special point areas for the dragon.( similar to Dinky)  Some

areas have an equestrian shoot, shot from horseback on a course of targets

(baskets) using combat arrows.  Arenal may set one up for the foot-traveled

archer. We are still in the planning stages, but we plan to utilize the

guidelines for the equestrian shoot.


Chatzie Massey



Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:32:09 -0500

From: "Michael Newton" <melcnewt at netins.net>

Subject: SC - Archers' feast (Fw: [SCA-Archery] The Perfect Archery Event)


I thought this was a good idea for a feast; sounds like one Ras talks about,

IIRC, his hunters' feast.


- ----- Original Message -----

From: <jrosswebb1 at webtv.net>

To: <SCA-Archery at egroups.com>

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:48 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] The Perfect Archery Event


A few years ago I ran an archery hunting event with 3d animal targets.

It was set up as a roving range and archers were split up into groups of

four(4). Any archer that hit the heart ring was awarded a chit pertaining to that animal. These chits were exchangable at the feast for a serving of the animal represented. We had Venison, rabbit, boar, and goose. If the archer did not wish the serving they could present it to a noble or even a sweetheart.


The archers with the highest score in each group advanced to the finals to select the three highest archers of the day. This was an eighty(80) yard shot at an elk (3 arrows each) where the archer that came in first was awarded a golden stag head amulet, second was a gold arrowhead and third was a silver arrowhead amulet(all alloys of course).


This makes a great fall season event and of course there was also a full feast of chicken, beef and fish for all. The game meat was additional. We ran it again a couple of years afterward and the militant vegetarian faction provided a broccoli, cabbage and carrot targets (3d) to be included in the games. It was pretty funny.


I don't know if you'd call it the perfect archery event but it was a lot of fun.





From: "Llwyd" <Llwyd at medievalcrazy.com>

Date: May 31, 2009 5:57:22 PM CDT

To: "Stefan li Rous" <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] GNW - Battle Clout


Greetings Stefan,


Battle Clout is an archery competition inspired by the one run by the Leongatha Medieval Society (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcZ6VXI2DRk) where archers that are competing supply a target showing their arms or device (or a represenation of). The size of the target is set as a minimum size - in our case, 450mm X 450mm (Half the size of one of the smaller sized boogie boards)

The intent is to hit your opponents devices with your arrows five times to 'kill' them. The last one surviving wins or in a team scenario, the team wins who 'kill' all the opposing team


The competition can be set up many ways - Individual, teams, groups etc.


It is similar to a clout shoot but as said, the devices are the target.

Each team or individual has their target set into an area of ground at the far end. The distance is usually around 100yards but this may be varied depending on conditions or other variables (Bow poundage or target size for instance)

The targets are packed so that as much area in the target zone has a device target as possible.

So, the ground area of each target could be 5M X 5M with 25 targets in it.

Each target is set onto a stake(s) at an approxiamate angle of 30 degrees facing towards the archers.


The intent is not to make it easy. This is supposed to be difficult!

There is an element of luck but skill also plays a large part and having five hits to a kill gives everyone competing a chance to get a hit on a target for personal satisfaction or fun.

Another reason for the long range is to minimize arrow loss. An arrow sticking out of the ground is far easier to find than one shot at a flat trajectory that vanishes into and invisibly under the lush grass if it misses the targets.

At GNW, the grass is very lush - around 4 inches thick and sometimes more. A lobbed shot is certainly preferable!


In an individual shoot, the targets are all placed on the same target area so it is possible to kill oneself!

This adds to the suspense, . . . and the pressure :)


The best target faces are the closed cell foam Boogie Boards. However, if they are unavailable or too expensive in the area, it can be made of other materials to resemble that, hence the suggested layers of 1/4" closed cell foam glued together out of the camping mat that has been used in the SCA as padding. The thicker the better so it stops the arrow without it passing through. Again I would suggest an absolute minimum of 4 layers and preferably 8 layers.


This is the first time for the SCA so I'm fudging it as I go along. I think I've got it pretty well right now and we will see how it turns out. I am anticipating it will be a ton of fun!

I will give you a complete description of the event after GNW.


Yours in Service,



GNW Archery Officer


=In the beginning, there was Archery=



On 31/05/2009 at 4:58 PM Stefan li Rous wrote:


>Greetings Llwyd,

>What is this "Battle Clout" competition? I see there comments about

>making targets? from foam, but how is the shoot being done? Is this a

>clout shoot or something else?

>I have this file in the ARCHERY section of the Florilegium, so this

>might make a good entry for it. But I can't really tell from this

>description what it is all about. A post-mortum review would also help

>in letting folks what they might want to change if they decide to do

>such a shoot.

>arch-shoots-msg (42K) 5/25/97 Different types of archery shoots.


> Stefan

>Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:52:20 +1000

>From: "Madog Llwyd ap Madog"

>Subject: [Lochac] GNW - Battle Clout, and more

>To: "Lochac_Archers List"

>Greetings Everyone,

>By now you would have seen the Schedule of events at Great Northern

>War (GNW)

>... And I have finalised details for the Battle Clout.

>After finding that many people have had problems finding cheap closed

>cell foam Boogie Boards (Which are still the best option if you can

>get one) I put out the suggestion of the 1/4" closed cell foam layers

>glued together. I would highly recommend having it as thick as possible.

>The dimensions (Sorry to leave this so late) are now an absolute

>minimum of 450mm X 450mm (Larger is better) and I have shortened the

>range 75 yards to compensate for this.

>Your device or charge on your target should be as clear as possible

>and as large as you can make it. It can be paper (I recommend spraying

>it with something waterproof like clear enamel paint in case it rains)

>and it needs to be able to be attached firmly in some manner that is

>acceptable. Bright colours are certainly preferred but black and white

>at a pinch is OK.

>Lastly, it needs mounting holes to attach it to two stakes behind

>which I will supply.

>I would appreciate a 'heads up' if you intend to compete so I can have

>the needed number of stakes there. Let me know at llwyd at medievalcrazy.com

>Being the very first SCA Battle Clout means I am having to find

>answers to the problems archers are having trying to enter the Battle

>and so there are changes. My apologies and please bear with me as I do

>so. I think this about ties it up and we will be ready to go and have

>some new fun.

>So, to summarise the event regarding archery, on Saturday, there is a

>Royal Round, Kings Round and IKAC throughout the day and then on

>Monday morning, we will have the Battle Clout.

>Bring your bows, arrows and a keen eye and I hope to see many of you

>at GNW.

>If you don't come to GNW, you are going to miss a ton of fun!

>Yours in Service,

>Llwyd (Madog Llwyd ap Madog)

>GNW Archery Officer



Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:27:14 -0400 (EDT)

From: loreleielkins at aol.com

To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org, archers at atlantia.sca.org,

        brnsacstone at yahoogroups.com, forsythsca at yahoo.com

Subject: [MR] A sneak peek.


I broke into the MiC's house while he and his Lady were away and stole a peek at the upcoming shoots happening at the Southern Atlantian Archery Day. Shhhh....don't tell him. (wink)


A Friday Night Shoot (yes, in the dark....but I could not discover any details about it. Drat.)


- Matches: By shooting the "match" you extinguish the flame and save the camp. Static, three distances, three shafts per distance.


- Eggs: The mis-colored Phoenix is an impostor. It has laid its eggs among the good Phoenix's eggs. You must shoot the bad eggs to prevent them from hatching. 6 shafts, one shaft per grouping.


- Scotsmen: The diabolical Scotsman is trying to set the camp on fire and he has brought friends.  You have to shoot the Scotsmen before they can light their fires.  Each target has three scoring areas. Only one shaft counts per scoring area per Scotsman.  Nine shafts, three shafts allowed per Scotsman.


- Swinging Cubes: Each cube has a good Phoenix on two sides and a bad phoenix on two sides. You must hit the bad phoenix. All shooters in groups must shoot at the same time. This is a timed shoot.  As many shafts as you can get off in time allowed - 45 seconds.


- Clout: Three targets ranging from about 75 yards to 125 yards. You may shoot at any or all targets.  6 shafts (This station has a kids and youth scoring)


- Running Donkey: The donkey is part of setting the camp on fire. He will be running left to right across your range.  You may shoot at the donkey as soon as he leaves his hiding place and stop when he finds his new hiding place. As many shafts as you can get off in time allowed.  Moving, timed target.


- Bubba and the Scot/Pendulum: The target is behind the swinging pendulum. You must shoot for score until the pendulum stops and hides the target from view. As many shafts as you can get off in time allowed.  Moving, timed target.


- Shoot through the Murder Hole: You have found a small murder hole in the side of the castle.  You must shoot through the hold to hit your target.  Six shafts, stationary.


- Edward's Ring Shot: Your challenge here is to shoot the scoring dots through the rings hanging in front of them.  Six shafts.


- Archers Slot/Castle Main Gate: You are outside the castle trying to shoot its defenders inside.  You see a target behind an archer slot or just inside the main gate.  Six shafts stationary.


These are just what I found out about the field stations.  Rumor has it there will be at least 10 targets in the woods in a "hunt style" shoot.


And all this finished off with a fantastic potluck dinner and amazing Bardic...PLUS A&S.  I'm about to faint, someone catch me.




TH Lady Lorelei Greenleafe



Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:03:57 +1000

From: "Madog Llwyd ap Madog" <llwyd at personals.net.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Festival Map

To: "The Shambles" <lochac at lochac.sca.org>


<<< Archers who wish to participate in the Battle Clout demo and shoot on

Monday :- Please bring along a boogie-board AND a garden stake or similar

so we can stand your boogie-board up to be shot at. I will supply wire

ties if you can supply your target and stake. It would also be nice if you

paint something distinctive on the top face.

Be aware in case you have not realized by now - it will be shot at and

sustain damage. Cheap boogie-boards can be obtained from many sources - I

have bought them at Crazy Clarks in the past :)



Festival Archery Coordinator AS-XLV >>>


On 17/04/2011 at 10:24 AM Lynlee O'Keeffe wrote:

<<< How do you use boogie boards in clout shooting? and why do they need

wiring up? I was under the impression it was closest to a flag or other

pole markers??



Claricia >>>


This is a variation on Clout Shooting. Because it is competitive, it is called 'Battle Clout'.


The boogie board is standing up at long range and the goal is to hit your opponents and 'kill' them before they 'kill' yours.

It can be as a team or individually.


It =is= possible to kill oneself in individual shooting as all targets are in one bunch [grin].

This year, I will be starting it at 100yds reducing to 75yds and finally 50yds. This simulates (sort of) the advancement of a group of knights on a battlefield towards the archers. Hence the name Battle Clout.


This competition has been run before at GNW and will be run there again this year. It is the first time at Rowany Festival to my knowledge.




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