goats-msg - 2/2/14
Period goats and how they were used.
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:22:06 -0400
From: Micheal <dmreid at hfx.eastlink.ca>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Castration WAS Dutch Recipes
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Yes it is still done pretty much the same still. Except Elastics instead of
strings mostly. The crushing tool is called a bardizo (could be wrong on the
spelling). But it looks like a large set of pliers with 4 inch wide jaws.
They do crunch when you squeeze those cords.
Prarrie Oysters are still collected in the same manner. Open sack remove and
rinse brown in a pan and serve forth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <rcmann4 at earthlink.net>
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Castration WAS Dutch Recipes
> Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise wrote:
>> I guess I don't know all that much about period methods of neutering rams.
>> Nowadays an elastic band is used around the testicles, so the penis
>> wouldn't be removed until slaughtering.
> Okay, all of you squeamish guys, hit delete now.
> Right. Don't say I didn't warn you.
> The 1551 edition of the "Book of Agriculture" by Gabriel Alonso de Herrera
> has animal husbandry information. The section on sheep refers the reader
> to the earlier section on goats, since the castration procedure is the
> same. It's a long passage, so I'm going to summarize and paraphrase what
> I've read, since I really don't want to take the time to transcribe and
> The section on castration begins with image # 319.
> Kid goats should be castrated under the age of one year, and the earlier
> it is done, the better they will tolerate it, and the better the meat will
> be. Castration should be done when the temperature is moderate; neither
> very hot or very cold. Kids born in September should be castrated in
> March. Those born in December should be castrated in April or May, before
> it gets hot. Those born in March should be castrated at the end of
> September, or in October.
> The animals should not be allowed to eat or drink before castration.
> There are several methods for castration. The first is to use a cord to
> tie the scrotum. This, Herrera says, is the least painful method. [note:
> I gather, from some casual Web research that a similar method is used
> today, though with elastic. Apparently, the scrotum dies from lack of
> blood and falls off in a couple of weeks.] The second method is to tie
> off the scrotum with a cord, open the scrotum and cut out the testicles.
> This makes better meat, very tender. A nerve is taken out with them.
> This way, you remove all of the lust and aggression.
> Others crush them [ie., the testicles] with something, and this is very
> painful. And others cut off the scrotum, having first tied it firmly with
> a cord as said before. It can be cauterized with a hot iron, and anointed
> with cow's butter.
> Castration is best done in the morning, when the animals won't have had
> food or water. They should not be given food or drink that day. They
> shouldn't be allowed to walk around much that day, and should be kept in a
> corral or stable.
> --- end paraphrased text --
> Okay, guys. You can come out now.
> Lady Brighid ni Chiarain
> Barony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:32:55 -0600
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Goats
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
From: "The Borg" <The_Borg1 at comcast.net>
> Is goat period?
Pliny refers to goats as cattle and comments on the (non-food) uses of
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: wheezul at canby.com
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Goat Cheese (Warning: Long)
I thought I would post this little bit from the 1512 edition of Crescentiis'
"Das Buch von pflanzung der ?cker". There is more here about the care of
goats including bits about proper penning for their jumping and something
about keeping them away from the garden :-)
Der nutz der gei? in den fellen /milch vnn gei?lin u? iren fellen werden
die besten gezogen leder ho?zen und sattel deckeen rc Ir milch ist
meschlicher natur artzny / und besundern ungeronene und wenig ke? materia
habende ir ke? syn nit als l?blich als der schaffe. Ir fleisch is z?
drucken und hart dawlich. Sunder der gei?lin fleisch ist das best und
vierf?ssigen gemeinen / und nemlich am so ge U? der gei?lin fellen werden
subtyl karten und gar lustbarlich sch? den zarten menschen.
The use of goats [is] in the hides/milk from kids out of their hides comes
the best worked leather hosen and saddle blankets (or covers) rc Their
milk is to man's nature medicinal / and especially unrunny [geronnen is
used to describe the curd/whey separation in other contexts] and has
little cheese material Their cheese is not as estimable as the sheep's.
Their meat is to dry and hard lasting. However the kid's meat is the best
and four-hooved ordinarily / and the same that so go Out of the kid's hide
are [made] thin cards and very desirable shoes for the finer folk.
The bit after the hooves was difficult for me to understand. I know that
the hooves were used to gelatinize dishes, so I think the author is
telling us that the kid meat is best and that also the hooves are
ordinarily used when called for. Or he is saying it is ordinarily cooked
with the hooves. I'd love other interpretations. Anyway, I thought you
might be interested.