fishing-msg - 12/25/09 ਀ഊMedieval fishing. Fish ponds. fish hooks, fishing equipment. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: fish-msg, seafood-msg, stockfish-msg, feasts-fish-msg, eels-msg, sauces-msg, pickled-foods-msg, fish-pies-msg, salmon-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:04:46 GMT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䬀椀爀猀琀攀渀 䜀愀爀渀攀爀  愀琀  䄀爀挀栀愀攀漀氀漀最礀∀ 㰀䬀䜀䄀刀一䔀刀 愀琀 栀猀礀㄀⸀猀猀挀⸀攀搀⸀愀挀⸀甀欀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䘀椀猀栀瀀漀渀搀猀ഊ ਀䄀 眀栀椀氀攀 戀愀挀欀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀 栀攀爀攀 愀猀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 昀椀猀栀瀀漀渀搀猀⸀  䤀 ഊrecently came across a couple of interesting sources and thought I ਀眀漀甀氀搀 瀀漀猀琀 琀栀攀洀 栀攀爀攀 椀渀 挀愀猀攀 猀栀攀 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀⸀ 㨀⤀ഊ ਀䄀猀琀漀渀Ⰰ 䴀 ⠀攀搀⤀ ㄀㤀㠀㠀Ⰰ 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䘀椀猀栀Ⰰ 䘀椀猀栀攀爀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 䘀椀猀栀瀀漀渀搀猀 椀渀 ഊEngland. BAR (British Archaeological Reports) British Series 182, vol ਀㄀ 愀渀搀 ㈀⸀ 伀砀昀漀爀搀⸀ ഊ ਀䌀甀爀爀椀攀Ⰰ 䌀䬀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀 Ⰰ ✀䘀椀猀栀瀀漀渀搀猀 愀猀 䜀愀爀搀攀渀 䘀攀愀琀甀爀攀猀 挀⸀ ㄀㔀㔀 ⴀ㄀㜀㔀 ✀ 椀渀 ഊGarden History, 18 no. 1, p 22-46 ਀ഊJulian ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 䄀爀挀栀愀攀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 䘀椀猀栀栀漀漀欀猀ഊDate: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:45:08 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䬀吀䴀䌀 㰀欀琀洀挀 愀琀 椀挀漀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG ਀ഊMarc Carlson wrote: ਀㸀 䤀✀洀 猀漀爀爀礀 琀漀 戀漀琀栀攀爀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀猀欀攀搀 琀漀ഊ> document metal fish hooks in the Middle Ages. At this time, I can ਀㸀 渀漀琀⸀  䄀渀礀漀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀漀甀爀挀攀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䴀愀爀挀⼀䐀椀愀爀洀愀椀搀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀挀⼀䐀椀愀爀洀愀椀搀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀椀渀最 洀攀琀愀氀 昀椀猀栀 栀漀漀欀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀⸀ 䤀ഊhave a book at home I'll get and make available. It's a translation of a ਀㄀㔀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀爀攀愀琀椀猀攀 漀渀 愀渀最氀椀渀最⸀ 夀漀甀 洀愀礀 戀攀 椀渀琀攀爀猀琀攀搀Ⰰ 䐀椀愀爀洀愀椀搀Ⰰ 椀渀ഊknowing that they were made from (I don't have the book with me,) a ਀猀栀漀攀ⴀ洀愀欀攀爀✀猀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 ⠀漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 挀氀漀猀攀氀礀 渀愀洀攀搀⤀ 愀渀搀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀ഊanvil and forge. I was thinking of doing a Kingdom A&S entry on some ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀氀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 䤀 眀愀猀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀椀渀最 夀伀唀 琀漀 猀攀攀 栀漀眀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 最攀琀ഊsome of the needles. I'll get the book and get back with you. ਀ഊValstarr ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ 㘀 䴀愀礀 ㈀      㨀㌀㠀㨀㄀㄀ ⴀ 㐀  ഊFrom: Bill Kenton ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀瀀爀漀挀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: New A&S webpage ਀ഊ A new webpage has emerged. A medieval angling page has surfaced. The ਀椀搀攀愀 漀昀 愀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀渀最氀椀渀最 ⠀昀椀猀栀椀渀最⤀ 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 昀氀漀愀琀椀渀最 愀爀漀甀渀搀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 ㈀ഊLaurels, Priscilla and Creador, 1 apprentice-Breac, and myself. Well, ਀愀昀琀攀爀 愀 昀攀眀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 漀昀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 愀爀漀甀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀挀氀甀猀椀漀渀ഊthat I can take it no farther without opening it up to the populace for ਀琀栀攀椀爀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 䤀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀琀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀㌀⸀漀渀攀⸀渀攀琀⼀縀戀欀攀渀琀漀渀⼀昀椀猀栀椀渀最ഊ ਀伀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 椀渀椀琀椀愀氀 猀甀最最攀猀礀椀漀渀猀 愀爀攀 最漀渀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀攀搀 愀猀 猀攀攀渀 昀椀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀愀礀ഊbe moved over to the midrealm server. I haven't decided that yet. But I'd ਀氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀欀椀渀最搀漀洀 猀椀琀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀 氀椀渀欀猀 琀漀 椀琀 昀爀漀洀ഊwherever. I'm hoping this lists gets to many kingdom A&S people to save me ਀昀爀漀洀 琀爀愀挀欀椀渀最 搀漀眀渀 攀洀愀椀氀猀 琀漀 攀愀挀栀 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀 䴀伀䄀匀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䤀 愀洀 猀攀攀欀椀渀最 漀渀攀 琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 愀搀搀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀ഊhelp me with. I'd like to collect a bunch of period fish recipes and have ਀愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀最攀⸀ഊ ਀夀䤀匀ⰀഊLiam O'Shea ਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䘀攀渀椀砀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:05:41 +0200 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 䜀氀漀渀椀渀最 㰀最氀漀渀椀渀最 愀琀 䴀愀椀氀攀爀⸀唀渀椀ⴀ䴀愀爀戀甀爀最⸀䐀䔀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Squary scad enquiry ਀ഊThe OED has two quotations for the expression in question; the latter ਀猀甀最最攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 昀氀愀琀 昀椀猀栀㨀ഊ ਀∀猀焀甀愀爀礀 ⠀⸀⸀⸀⤀ 匀焀甀愀爀攀ⴀ猀栀愀瀀攀搀㬀 猀焀甀愀爀椀猀栀⸀ഊ ਀㄀㘀 ㈀ 䌀愀爀攀眀 䌀漀爀渀眀愀氀氀 ㌀㔀 匀漀洀攀 最甀琀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 欀攀瀀琀 椀渀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 琀栀攀 氀攀猀猀攀爀ഊWhitings, Pollocks, Eeles, and Squarie Scads. ਀ഊIbid. 320 Of flat [fish there are] Brets, Turbets, Dories, Squary Scad, ਀匀攀愀氀攀Ⰰ 吀甀渀渀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀猀⸀ ⠀⸀⸀⸀⤀∀ഊ ਀倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 琀栀攀猀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀猀攀昀甀氀 昀漀爀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 攀渀焀甀椀爀礀㨀ഊ- -- Hoffmann, R.C.: Fishers' craft and lettered art. Tracts on fishing ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀⸀ 吀漀爀漀渀琀漀 ⠀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 吀漀爀漀渀琀漀 倀爀攀猀猀⤀ ㄀㤀㤀㜀⸀ഊ- -- Westwood, Th./ Satchell, Th.: Bibliotheca piscatoria. A catalogue of ਀戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 愀渀最氀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀椀猀栀攀爀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 昀椀猀栀ⴀ挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 ⠀⸀⸀⸀⤀⸀ 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 ㄀㠀㠀㌀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀漀洀愀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:23:53 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䜀愀礀氀椀渀 㰀椀愀猀洀椀渀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Garum and Piscinae ਀ഊSo this book I've picked up because of my addiction. To books, ਀琀栀愀琀 椀猀⸀ 䘀漀甀渀搀 椀琀 漀渀 爀攀洀愀椀渀搀攀爀 愀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 ⨀栀愀搀⨀ 琀漀 戀甀礀 椀琀⸀ 夀漀甀ഊknow how you get that feeling sometimes? The one that says ਀∀䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀戀猀漀氀甀琀攀氀礀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀礀∀㼀ഊThat's why I bought it. Here's the book: ਀ഊ Higginbotham, James. (1997). Piscinae: Artificial Fishponds ਀    椀渀 刀漀洀愀渀 䤀琀愀氀礀⸀ 䌀栀愀瀀攀氀 䠀椀氀氀Ⰰ 一䌀㨀 吀栀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 一漀爀琀栀ഊ Carolina Press. ISBN: 0-8078-2329-5 [Ed. Note: I got this ਀    漀渀 爀攀洀愀椀渀搀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 䔀搀眀愀爀搀 刀⸀ 䠀愀洀椀氀琀漀渀 䈀漀漀欀猀攀氀氀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊ 14$US. You might be able to find it cheaper elsewhere.] ਀ഊAs I was reading along this morning, I discovered something that ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀攀爀攀 洀椀最栀琀 昀椀渀搀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 最愀爀甀洀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰഊincluding some references that I don't believe anyone has ਀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 戀攀昀漀爀攀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 愀 氀漀渀最 漀渀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 猀琀愀礀 眀椀琀栀ഊme and accept my forgiveness for the cross-posting. ਀ഊIn the introduction, while discussing the modern scholarship ਀搀漀渀攀 漀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 瀀椀猀挀椀渀愀攀 ⠀昀椀猀栀瀀漀渀搀猀⤀ 䠀椀最最椀渀戀漀琀琀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀    ∀匀椀渀挀攀 䨀愀挀漀渀漀 嬀䔀搀⸀㨀 䰀甀椀最椀 䨀愀挀漀渀漀✀猀 猀琀甀搀礀 漀渀 一愀瀀氀攀猀 猀攀愀猀椀搀攀 爀甀椀渀猀ഊ of piscinae], the study of Roman pisciculture has progressed ਀    愀氀漀渀最 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瀀愀琀栀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 椀渀搀甀猀琀爀礀Ⰰ 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊ manufacture and trade of processed fish products such as garum, ਀    栀愀猀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 琀栀攀 氀椀漀渀✀猀 猀栀愀爀攀 漀昀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 ⠀㔀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 猀琀甀搀椀攀猀ഊ have focused on tanks and complexes in Spain, southern France, ਀    愀渀搀 一漀爀琀栀 䄀昀爀椀挀愀⸀ 吀栀漀甀最栀 最愀爀甀洀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 琀漀漀欀 瀀氀愀挀攀ഊ in Italy, the bulk of this trade emanated from the western ਀    瀀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀猀 ⠀㘀⤀∀⸀ 嬀瀀愀最攀 ㈀崀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 昀漀漀琀渀漀琀攀猀 愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀Ⰰ 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 䤀✀瘀攀ഊseparated out each reference to make it easier to read. I think ਀洀愀渀礀 漀昀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀猀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最㨀ഊ ਀    ⠀㔀⤀ 䴀⸀ 倀漀渀猀椀挀栀 愀渀搀 䴀⸀ 吀愀爀爀愀搀攀氀氀Ⰰ 开䜀愀爀甀洀 攀琀 椀渀搀甀猀琀爀椀攀猀 愀渀琀椀焀甀攀猀ഊ de salaison dans la MÈditerranÈe occidentale_ (Pariis 1965); ਀ഊ O. Da Veiga Ferreira, "Algunas consideracoes sobre as fabricas ਀    搀攀 挀漀渀猀攀爀瘀愀猀 搀攀 瀀攀椀砀攀搀 愀渀琀椀焀甀椀搀愀搀攀 攀渀挀漀渀琀爀愀搀愀猀 攀洀 倀漀爀琀甀最愀氀Ⰰ ∀ഊ _Archivo de Beja_ 23-24 (1966-67) 123-34; ਀ഊ R. Sanquer and P. Galliou, "Garum, sel et salaisons en Armorique ਀    最愀氀氀漀ⴀ爀漀洀愀椀渀攀Ⰰ∀ 开䜀愀氀氀椀愀开 ㌀  ⠀㄀㤀㜀㈀⤀ ㄀㤀㤀ⴀ㈀㈀㌀㬀ഊ ਀    刀⸀䤀⸀ 䌀甀爀琀椀猀Ⰰ 开䜀愀爀甀洀 愀渀搀 匀愀氀猀愀洀攀渀琀愀㨀 倀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 䌀漀洀洀攀爀挀攀 椀渀ഊ Materia Medica_ (Leiden 1991); ਀ഊ J. C. Edmondson, _Two Industries in Roman Lusitania: Mining and ਀    䜀愀爀甀洀 倀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 䈀䄀刀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 匀攀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ ㌀㘀㈀ ⠀伀砀昀漀爀搀 ㄀㤀㠀㜀⤀㬀ഊ ਀    䴀⸀ 倀漀渀猀椀挀栀Ⰰ 开䄀猀挀攀椀琀攀 搀攀 漀氀椀瘀愀 礀 猀愀氀愀稀漀渀攀猀 搀攀 瀀攀猀挀愀搀漀㨀 䘀愀挀琀漀爀攀猀ഊ geo-econÛmicos de BÈtica y Tingitania_ (Madrid 1988). ਀ഊ (6) For evidence of Italian production, see R. I. Curtis, "A. ਀    唀洀戀爀椀挀椀甀猀 匀挀愀甀爀甀猀 漀昀 倀漀洀瀀攀椀椀Ⰰ ∀ 椀渀 开匀琀甀搀椀愀 倀漀洀瀀攀椀愀渀愀 攀琀ഊ Classica in Honor of Wilhelmina F. Jashemski 1_ (New Rochelle, ਀    一⸀夀⸀ ㄀㤀㠀㠀⤀ ㄀㤀ⴀ㐀㤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 开䜀愀爀甀洀 愀渀搀 匀愀氀猀愀洀攀琀愀开 ⠀椀戀椀搀⸀⤀ 㠀㔀ⴀ㤀㘀⸀ഊ Fish sauce production is hypothesized at Cosa on the basis of rather ਀    琀攀渀甀漀甀猀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀㬀 猀攀攀 䄀⸀ 䴀⸀ 䴀挀䌀愀渀渀Ⰰ 䨀⸀ 䈀漀甀爀最攀漀椀猀Ⰰ 䔀⸀ 䬀⸀ 䜀愀稀搀愀Ⰰ 䨀⸀ 倀⸀ഊ Oleson, and E. L. Will, _The Roman Port and Fishery of Cosa_ ਀    ⠀倀爀椀渀挀攀琀漀渀 ㄀㤀㠀㜀⤀ ㌀㐀 ⴀ㐀㄀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 栀椀猀 挀栀愀瀀琀攀爀 漀渀 ∀䘀椀猀栀瀀漀渀搀猀 愀猀 䔀洀戀氀攀洀猀 漀昀 匀漀挀椀愀氀 匀琀愀琀甀猀∀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀ഊalso writes: ਀ഊ There was, however, great profit in the production of preserved ਀    昀椀猀栀 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀攀搀 昀椀猀栀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀⸀ 䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀攀爀愀爀礀 爀攀挀漀爀搀Ⰰഊ several sites in Italy were known for the production of garum, ਀    氀椀焀甀愀洀攀渀Ⰰ 愀氀氀攀挀Ⰰ 洀甀爀椀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀攀搀 昀椀猀栀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀⸀ ⠀㘀⤀ഊ ਀䄀渀搀 愀最愀椀渀 琀栀攀 昀漀漀琀渀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀    ⠀㘀⤀ 开刀䔀开 㠀 ⠀㄀㤀㄀㈀⤀ 㠀㐀㄀ⴀ㐀㤀Ⰰ 猀⸀瘀⸀ 䜀愀爀甀洀 ⠀刀⸀ 娀愀栀渀⤀㨀ഊ ਀    倀⸀ 䜀爀椀洀愀氀 愀渀搀 吀⸀ 䴀漀渀漀搀Ⰰ ∀匀甀爀 氀攀 瘀저爀椀琀愀戀氀攀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 搀甀 ✀最愀爀甀洀Ⰰ✀∀ഊ _REA_ 54 (1952) 27-38; ਀ഊ C. Jardin "Garum et sauces de poisson de l'antiguitÈ," _RStlig 27 ਀    ⠀㄀㤀㘀㄀⤀ 㜀 ⴀ㤀㘀㬀ഊ ਀    吀⸀ 䠀⸀ 䌀漀爀挀漀爀愀渀Ⰰ ∀刀漀洀愀渀 䘀椀猀栀 匀愀甀挀攀猀Ⰰ∀ 开䌀䨀开 㔀㠀 ⠀㄀㤀㘀㌀⤀ ㈀ 㐀ⴀ㄀ 㬀ഊ ਀    刀⸀䤀⸀ 䌀甀爀琀椀猀Ⰰ ∀䤀渀 䐀攀昀攀渀猀攀 漀昀 䜀愀爀甀洀Ⰰ∀ 䌀䨀 㜀㠀 ⠀㄀㤀㠀㌀⤀ ㈀㌀㈀ⴀ㐀 㬀ഊ ਀    刀⸀䤀⸀ 䌀甀爀琀椀猀Ⰰ ∀匀愀氀琀攀搀 䘀椀猀栀 倀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀 椀渀 䄀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䴀攀搀椀挀椀渀攀Ⰰ∀ 开䨀漀甀爀渀愀氀ഊ of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences_ 39 (1984) 430-35; ਀ഊ R.I. Curtis, _Garum and Salsamenta: Production and Commerce in ਀    䴀愀琀攀爀椀愀 䴀攀搀椀挀愀开 ⠀䰀攀椀搀攀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㄀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 愀戀戀爀攀瘀椀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 渀漀琀攀㨀 刀匀琀䰀椀最 椀猀 ∀刀椀瘀椀猀琀愀 搀椀 猀琀甀搀椀 氀椀最甀爀椀∀㬀 䌀䨀 椀猀ഊ"Classical Journal"; and RE is A. Pauly and G. Wissowa's "Real- ਀䔀渀挀礀挀氀漀瀠 搀椀攀 搀攀 欀氀愀猀猀椀猀栀攀渀 䄀氀琀攀爀琀甀洀猀眀椀猀猀攀渀猀挀栀愀昀琀∀⸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 愀瀀漀氀漀最椀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 戀愀渀搀眀椀搀琀栀Ⰰ 愀最愀椀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊwill find some use in these references considering the debate that ਀爀攀最甀氀愀爀氀礀 漀挀挀甀爀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀愀戀氀攀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀猀 昀漀爀 最愀爀甀洀 愀渀搀 氀椀焀甀愀洀攀渀ഊin the recipes we research. If you need copies of this information from ਀琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 椀琀猀攀氀昀Ⰰ 氀攀琀 洀攀 欀渀漀眀 愀渀搀 眀攀✀氀氀 眀漀爀欀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 漀甀琀⸀ഊ ਀䨀愀猀洀椀渀攀ഊIasmin "Yes, I'm Addicted" de Cordoba, iasmin at home.com ਀䄀伀䰀 䄀䤀䴀㨀 䤀愀猀洀椀渀䐀攀䌀漀爀搀漀戀愀ഊ ਀倀匀㨀 吀礀瀀漀猀 愀爀攀 洀漀猀琀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 洀礀 漀眀渀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀漀渀ⴀ䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ഊarticles. Also, apologies to those of you who get a little garbage in the ਀洀攀猀猀愀最攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 甀洀氀愀甀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:45:30 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 爀洀栀漀眀攀 㰀䴀䴀愀最渀甀猀䴀 愀琀 戀攀氀氀猀漀甀琀栀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: "- Gregory Blount - A&S. Food, Music, Brewing, and Dance SCA Pages (SCA) ਀ 䜀爀攀最 䰀椀渀搀愀栀氀∀ 㰀氀椀渀搀愀栀氀 愀琀 瀀戀洀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Webpages ਀ഊhttp://w3.one.net/~bkenton/fishing ਀䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䄀渀最氀椀渀最 倀愀最攀ഊ ਀䴀愀最渀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:37:56 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀倀栀椀氀椀瀀瀀愀 䄀氀搀攀爀琀漀渀∀ 㰀瀀栀氀椀瀀 愀琀 洀漀爀最愀渀挀漀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Fw: [Mid] Fishing page moved ਀ഊSince catching fish is an important part of cooking them, I thought some of ਀礀漀甀 漀渀 䌀漀漀欀✀猀 䰀椀猀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀倀栀氀椀瀀ഊ ਀㸀一䔀圀 䠀伀䴀䔀 䘀伀刀 吀䠀䔀 倀䔀刀䤀伀䐀 䘀䤀匀䠀䤀一䜀 倀䄀䜀䔀 䤀匀㨀ഊ>www.farreaches.org/fishing ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 㔀 䨀愀渀 ㈀  ㄀  㠀㨀㈀㔀㨀㈀㘀 ⴀ    ഊFrom: "Melanie Wilson" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: medieval angling site--? ਀ഊNot the site you want but a ref that might interest ਀ഊ"Angling in British Art" by W S Sparrow, ਀ഊMel ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 㔀 䨀愀渀 ㈀  ㄀  㔀㨀㐀㤀㨀㄀  ⴀ 㠀  ഊFrom: "Lorene Dinsmore" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: RE: medieval angling site--? ਀ഊI just happened to find it.... ਀吀栀攀 唀刀䰀 椀猀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀愀爀爀攀愀挀栀攀猀⸀漀爀最⼀昀椀猀栀椀渀最ഊ ਀䤀猀氀礀氀攀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ伀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊI recently received a missive from a gentle who has a medieval angling ਀猀椀琀攀⸀ 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 䤀✀搀 戀漀漀欀洀愀爀欀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀愀最攀 戀甀琀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 䤀 猀挀爀攀眀攀搀 甀瀀 愀渀搀ഊdidn't. I'm putting the site in my next update on the Resource URL list--but ਀昀椀爀猀琀 䤀 渀攀攀搀 琀栀攀 唀刀䰀℀ 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀漀 瀀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 猀椀琀攀 甀瀀㼀 吀栀愀渀欀猀 椀渀ഊadvance for any help you can give me in this matter. ਀ഊIsabelle de Foix ਀瀀愀琀爀椀挀椀愀⸀栀攀昀渀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:49:06 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䰀椀愀洀 伀✀匀栀攀愀∀ 㰀氀漀猀栀攀愀 愀琀 挀椀渀挀椀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀渀最氀椀渀最 猀椀琀攀ⴀⴀ㼀ഊ ਀䤀猀愀戀攀氀氀攀Ⰰഊ hehehe Hate it when that happens. However, the site belongs to me. The ਀唀刀䰀 椀猀 眀眀眀⸀昀愀爀爀攀愀挀栀攀猀⸀漀爀最⼀昀椀猀栀椀渀最   䤀昀 礀漀甀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 攀氀猀攀Ⰰ 昀攀攀氀ഊfree to contact me. ਀ഊLiam O'Shea ਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䘀攀渀椀砀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 愀 洀椀猀猀椀瘀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀 最攀渀琀氀攀 眀栀漀  栀愀猀 愀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀渀最氀椀渀最ഊ> site. I thought I'd bookmarked the page but apparently I screwed up and ਀㸀 搀椀搀渀✀琀⸀ ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀猀愀戀攀氀氀攀 搀攀 䘀漀椀砀ഊ> patricia.hefner at worldnet.att.net ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀 㰀栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 猀漀挀爀愀琀攀猀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀氀礀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最ഊDate: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:48:54 -0700 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀䜀栀攀氀攀渀愀㘀㘀㄀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> On the subject of period fly fishing, I would like to get my hands on ਀㸀 琀栀愀琀 吀䤀 椀猀猀甀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀      䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 搀漀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 挀愀洀瀀 爀椀最栀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊ> lake i can fish from my pavilion if I wanted to. ਀㸀 ഊ> I am a lacemaker, so I suspect I can tie a fly ok. I know where to get ਀㸀 昀椀猀栀栀漀漀欀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀      䤀昀 愀渀礀 漀渀攀 栀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 愀渀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 猀漀甀渀搀 漀甀琀℀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 搀漀渀攀 愀渀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀 愀 昀攀眀ഊleads on the research end. There are a number of surviving treatises on ਀昀椀猀栀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀⸀ 匀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀 愀渀搀ഊ16th century are published in "The Fishers' Craft & Lettered Art: Tracts ਀漀渀 䘀椀猀栀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䔀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀∀ ⠀攀搀⸀ 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 䌀⸀ 䠀漀昀昀洀愀渀渀ⰀഊUniversity of Toronto Press, 1997). I've also seen a book entitled ਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 ∀䘀椀猀栀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 䄀渀挀椀攀渀琀 圀漀爀氀搀∀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀ഊof a work about fishing history rather than sources (in translation), ਀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 戀攀 愀琀 愀氀氀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀搀 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀ഊfishing information in Pliny. ਀ഊHoffmann's text includes all sorts of specific instructions on both live ਀愀渀搀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀搀 戀愀椀琀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 昀攀愀琀栀攀爀ⴀ戀愀猀攀搀 昀氀椀攀猀⸀  䠀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 猀愀洀瀀氀攀 ⠀椀渀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀⤀㨀ഊ ਀∀愀猀 猀漀漀渀 愀猀 琀栀攀 戀爀漀漀欀猀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 愀渀搀 挀氀攀愀爀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 椀渀 䴀愀礀Ⰰ 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 椀琀ഊis the first of the month or the second, then see to it to put 'stone ਀戀愀椀琀✀ 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀攀愀琀栀攀爀攀搀 栀漀漀欀 眀栀椀挀栀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀椀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 礀攀氀氀漀眀 猀椀氀欀 愀渀搀ഊwith pinkish-colored silk around the 'heart' and with a black one mixed ਀愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 ✀栀攀愀爀琀✀⸀  吀栀攀 昀攀愀琀栀攀爀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 猀瀀攀挀欀氀攀搀 氀椀最栀琀⸀  䈀甀琀 椀昀 琀栀攀ഊwater is dark, then the feathers should be that much the lighter, ਀琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 戀氀愀挀欀椀猀栀 昀攀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀最⸀  䤀昀 椀琀 椀猀 栀椀最栀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀ഊfeathering should be blackish with light brown mixed among it, fished ਀栀椀最栀 甀瀀 椀渀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀⸀∀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 搀漀稀攀渀猀 漀昀 昀氀礀ⴀ琀礀椀渀最 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 昀漀爀 洀椀洀椀挀欀椀渀最ഊparticular species of flies. ਀ഊTangwystyl ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䜀栀攀氀攀渀愀㘀㘀㄀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊDate: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:53:54 EDT ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀氀礀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最ഊTo: stefan at texas.net ਀ഊ Fish hooks are sold by either Smoke and Fire, or James Townsend. They ਀愀爀攀 ㌀ 昀漀爀 ␀㔀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 戀礀 愀 戀氀愀挀欀猀洀椀琀栀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 栀漀漀欀猀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 戀攀 琀椀攀搀 琀漀 ഊthe line. Fish hooks have a long and venerated history, and many aspects of ਀昀椀猀栀椀渀最 ⠀猀甀挀栀 愀猀 栀漀漀欀猀⤀ 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀搀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀栀愀渀最攀 甀渀琀椀氀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 ഊintroduction of metals like steel and titanium, and of course, the ਀椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀攀氀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀礀 礀漀甀爀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 琀愀渀最氀攀ⰀഊRoxanne Greenstreet ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䜀栀攀氀攀渀愀㘀㘀㄀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊDate: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 05:24:24 EDT ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀氀礀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最ഊTo: stefan at texas.net ਀ഊ I have been conversing with various fisher folk on this subject. Master ਀䈀爀漀欀 ⠀䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀渀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 昀漀爀 戀氀愀挀欀猀洀椀琀栀椀渀最⤀  栀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 昀氀礀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 椀渀 ഊthe past, and has gone so far as to make his own rods, smith his own hooks ਀愀渀搀Ⰰ 戀爀愀椀搀 栀椀猀 漀眀渀 猀琀爀椀渀最 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀椀攀 琀栀攀 昀氀椀攀猀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 䤀 愀洀 甀瀀 ഊto all that! I understand from another Laurel (Master Finnr, a Viking dude) ਀琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 栀愀搀 愀 猀琀椀氀氀 ✀栀愀渀搀氀攀✀ 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀 洀漀爀攀 昀氀攀砀椀戀氀攀 ഊmid section, and a rather whippy willow end. Like modern fly fishing, the ਀爀漀搀 椀猀 眀栀椀瀀瀀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀椀爀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 猀漀洀攀栀漀眀 猀攀渀琀 琀栀攀 最漀漀搀氀礀 搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 椀琀 渀攀攀搀猀 ഊto go to get into the water away from the bank. ਀ഊ I think this is a little ambitious for a beginner. I intend to tie some ਀昀氀椀攀猀 漀渀 洀礀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀 栀漀漀欀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀 瀀漀氀攀 昀椀猀栀⸀  䤀 愀洀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 ഊscavenging sticks that will be useful in the cause of a good pole. I will ਀琀栀攀渀 眀漀爀欀 漀渀 昀氀椀攀 琀礀椀渀最⸀  䤀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 戀椀琀 漀昀 愀渀 愀爀琀 椀渀 椀琀猀攀氀昀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀礀 礀漀甀爀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 琀愀渀最氀攀ⰀഊRoxanne ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 䨀甀渀 ㈀  ㄀  㤀㨀㐀㄀㨀㌀㠀 ⴀ 㐀  ഊFrom: margali ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Italian fish in oil spreads ਀ഊYes, there were pisciniae shown on a number of blueprints of ਀爀漀洀愀渀 瘀椀氀氀愀猀 椀渀 愀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 爀漀洀愀渀 愀爀挀栀椀琀攀挀琀甀爀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀ഊquite a complex of them at the Villa of Tiberius on Capri. IIRC ਀琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀 瀀椀猀挀椀渀愀 爀甀渀 渀攀愀爀 爀漀洀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊmarkets of rome, and private piscinae in the peristyle gardens in ਀刀漀洀攀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 瀀椀猀挀椀渀愀 椀渀 琀栀攀 嘀椀氀氀愀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀礀猀琀攀爀椀攀猀 椀渀ഊPompeii. ਀洀愀爀最愀氀椀ഊ[wel, rob promised to build our retirement home to suit, and he ਀搀椀搀渀✀琀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 攀砀挀氀甀搀攀 愀 爀漀洀愀渀 瘀椀氀氀愀 爀甀猀琀椀挀愀 㬀ⴀ⤀崀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:37:04 +0200 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 嘀漀氀欀攀爀 䈀愀挀栀 㰀戀愀挀栀瘀 愀琀 瀀愀最愀渀攀琀⸀搀攀㸀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 昀椀猀栀 椀渀 漀椀氀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀猀ഊ ਀∀倀椀砀攀氀Ⰰ 儀甀攀攀渀 漀昀 䌀愀琀猀∀ 猀挀栀爀椀攀戀㨀ഊ> But you don't kill the fish before you send it to Florence. You put it, ਀㸀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀氀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 愀 戀愀爀爀攀氀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 愀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 昀椀猀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ> send it on a cart. ਀㸀ഊ> Or you have fishponds. Does anybody know whether they used fishponds in ਀㸀 䤀琀愀氀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀猀ഊfar as I know Italian fishponds were usually stone ਀漀爀 戀爀椀挀欀 猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 栀漀甀猀攀搀 猀攀愀眀愀琀攀爀ഊfish. They were definitely known from Roman times ਀漀渀眀愀爀搀猀 ⠀焀甀椀琀攀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀愀戀氀攀 椀渀 䄀甀最甀猀琀愀渀 琀椀洀攀猀⤀ 愀渀搀ഊused in medieval Italy. However, as fish was a ਀栀椀最栀ⴀ猀琀愀琀甀猀 昀漀漀搀 椀渀 䄀渀琀椀焀甀椀琀礀 戀甀琀 愀 氀漀眀ⴀ猀琀愀琀甀猀ഊitem in Lombard and later medieval Italy, it is ਀甀渀氀椀欀攀氀礀 ⠀愀渀搀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀 渀漀琀 瀀爀漀瘀愀戀氀攀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊelaborate Roman tradition continued in wide use. ਀ഊGot it: Massimo Montanari, 'la fame e ਀氀✀愀戀戀漀渀搀愀渀稀愀✀ ⠀䜀攀爀洀愀渀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 䈀攀挀欀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀⤀Ⰰ 瀀⸀ഊ48 (chapter 8, towards the middle): fishponds ਀戀甀椀氀琀 椀渀 猀眀愀洀瀀猀 椀渀 䰀漀洀戀愀爀搀 䤀琀愀氀礀 愀渀搀 氀愀琀攀爀⸀ഊUnfortunately, no more than that. THese were ਀氀椀欀攀氀礀 昀爀攀猀栀眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 瘀攀爀礀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 漀甀爀 氀漀挀愀氀ഊones. ਀ഊVolker ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀渀愀 一攀瘀椀渀 㰀挀渀攀瘀椀渀 愀琀 挀愀挀椀⸀挀漀⸀甀欀㸀ഊTo: "'SCA Cookslist'" ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 䨀甀渀 ㈀  ㄀ ㄀㘀㨀㌀㄀㨀 㘀 ⬀ ㄀  ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Fish ponds WAS Italian fish in oil spreads ਀ഊ Or you have fishponds. Does anybody know whether they used fishponds ਀ऀ椀渀 䤀琀愀氀礀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀㼀ഊ Margaret FitzWilliam ਀ഊAs the fishpond as used in England and France was introduced by the Romans ਀⠀瀀椀猀挀椀渀椀愀攀⤀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀愀礀 礀攀猀⸀ഊThe Seafood chapter in C. Anne Wilson's "Food and Drink in Britain" has a ਀昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀爀愀挀攀猀 琀栀攀 攀瘀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀䰀甀挀爀攀稀椀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:30:04 +0200 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 琀最氀 愀琀 洀愀椀氀攀爀⸀甀渀椀ⴀ洀愀爀戀甀爀最⸀搀攀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 漀渀氀椀渀攀 最氀漀猀猀愀爀礀㨀 瀀椀猀挀椀渀愀攀ഊ ਀瀀椀猀挀椀渀愀 ⠀䰀愀琀椀渀⤀ 㴀 愀 昀椀猀栀 瀀漀渀搀Ⰰ 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 攀渀猀甀爀攀 愀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 漀昀 昀椀猀栀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊkitchen. ਀ഊ-- Higginbotham, J.: Piscinae. Artificial fishponds in Roman Italy. ਀䌀栀愀瀀攀氀 䠀椀氀氀Ⰰ 一䌀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:48:21 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀漀栀渀渀愀 栀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀 愀琀 猀椀琀欀愀⸀攀渀最椀渀⸀甀洀椀挀栀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 昀椀猀栀 挀漀渀猀甀洀瀀琀椀漀渀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 戀甀琀 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀ഊat these studies and/or collections of papers first-- ਀ഊMedieval fish, fisheries, and fishponds in England / ਀戀礀 䄀猀琀漀渀Ⰰ 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀⸀ഊOxford, England : B.A.R., 1988 ਀㈀ 瘀⸀ ⠀椀砀Ⰰ 㐀㠀㐀 瀀⸀⤀ 椀氀氀⸀ 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ഊSeries: BAR British series ;; 182; ਀匀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 一漀㨀 䤀匀䈀一㨀  㠀㘀 㔀㐀㔀 㤀㄀ ⠀猀攀琀⤀㬀 䰀䌀䌀一㨀 㠀㠀ⴀ㄀㌀㠀 㘀㘀ഊ ਀䤀渀氀愀渀搀 昀椀猀栀攀爀椀攀猀 椀渀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 夀漀爀欀猀栀椀爀攀Ⰰ ㄀ 㘀㘀ⴀ㄀㌀   ⼀ഊby McDonnell, J. ਀倀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 嬀夀漀爀欀Ⰰ 一漀爀琀栀 夀漀爀欀猀栀椀爀攀崀 㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 夀漀爀欀Ⰰഊ Borthwick Institute of Historical Research, 1981 ਀㐀㈀ 瀀⸀ 椀氀氀⸀ 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ഊSeries: Borthwick papers ;; no. 60; ਀匀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 一漀㨀 䰀䌀䌀一㨀 㠀㈀ⴀ㄀㤀㄀㄀㔀㐀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 琀椀搀愀氀 吀栀愀洀攀猀 㨀ഊthe history of a river and its fishes / ਀戀礀 圀栀攀攀氀攀爀Ⰰ 䄀氀眀礀渀攀 䌀⸀ഊLondon ; Boston : Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1979 ਀ 砀Ⰰ ㈀㈀㠀 瀀⸀ 椀氀氀⸀ 㬀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ഊStandard No: ISBN: 0710002009 :; LCCN: 79-40460 ਀ഊFish : food from the waters / ਀攀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 圀愀氀欀攀爀Ⰰ 䠀愀爀氀愀渀⸀ഊOxford Symposium on Food and Cooke (1997) ਀吀漀琀渀攀猀Ⰰ 唀䬀 㨀 倀爀漀猀瀀攀挀琀 䈀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀㠀ഊ335 p. ill., maps ; English ਀匀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 一漀㨀 䤀匀䈀一㨀  㤀 㜀㌀㈀㔀㠀㤀 ഊ ਀夀漀甀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀ⴀⴀഊ De Friese palingaken / ਀戀礀 娀攀琀稀攀洀愀Ⰰ 䨀愀渀⸀ഊLeeuwarden : De Tille, 1976 ਀㄀㘀  瀀⸀Ⰰ 嬀㄀崀 氀攀愀昀 漀昀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 㨀 瀀⸀Ⰰ 椀氀氀⸀ 䐀甀琀挀栀ഊSeries: [Utjeften] - Fryske Akademy ;; nr. 500; ਀ 嘀愀爀椀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䘀爀礀猀欀攀 䄀欀愀搀攀洀礀 ⠀匀攀爀椀攀猀⤀ 㬀㬀 渀爀⸀ 㔀  ⸀ഊStandard No: ISBN: 9070010461 :; LCCN: 77-463633 ਀ഊThese cookbooks might help: ਀ഊJansen-Sieben, R./ van der Molen-Willebrands, M. ਀⠀䠀最⸀⤀㨀 䔀攀渀 渀漀琀愀戀攀氀 戀漀攀挀砀欀攀渀 瘀愀渀 挀漀欀攀爀礀攀渀⸀ഊ Het eerste gedrukte nederlandstalige kookboek ਀ 挀椀爀挀愀 ㄀㔀㄀㐀 甀椀琀最攀瘀攀渀 琀攀 䈀爀甀猀猀攀氀 搀漀漀爀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 瘀愀渀搀攀爀ഊ Noot. Bezorgt en van commentaar voorzien. Amsterdam 1994. ਀ഊHet eerste nederlandsche gedrukte kookboek ਀ ⠀䈀爀甀猀猀攀氀Ⰰ 吀栀漀洀愀猀 瘀漀渀 搀攀爀 一漀漀琀Ⰰ 挀⸀ ㄀㔀㄀ ⤀⸀ഊ Facsimile-uitgave naar het eenig bekende ਀ 攀砀攀洀瀀氀愀愀爀 椀渀 搀攀 䈀愀礀攀爀椀猀挀栀攀 匀琀愀愀琀猀戀椀戀氀椀漀琀栀攀欀Ⰰഊ M=FCnchen. 's-Gravenhage: Martinus Nijhoff 1925. ਀ഊEen notabel boecxken van cokeryen. ਀ 吀栀漀洀愀猀 瘀愀渀搀攀爀 一漀漀琀Ⰰ 䈀爀甀猀猀攀氀Ⰰ 漀洀猀琀爀攀攀欀猀 ㄀㔀㄀㐀⸀ഊ Fotografische herdruk gebaseerd op de uitgave ਀ 瘀愀渀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀甀猀 一椀樀栀漀昀昀Ⰰ 䐀攀渀 䠀愀愀最Ⰰ ㄀㤀㈀㔀⸀ 䄀洀猀琀攀爀搀愀洀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀⸀ഊ ਀䌀漀挀欀砀ⴀ䤀渀搀攀猀琀攀最攀Ⰰ 䔀⸀ ⠀䠀最⸀⤀㨀 䔀攀渀攀渀 一礀攀甀眀攀渀 䌀漀漀挀欀 䈀漀攀挀欀⸀ഊ Kookboek samengesteld door Gheeraert Vorselman ਀ 攀渀 最攀搀爀甀欀琀 琀攀 䄀渀琀眀攀爀瀀攀渀 椀渀 ㄀㔀㘀 ⸀ 唀椀琀最攀最攀瘀攀渀 攀渀ഊ van Commentaar voorzien door Elly Cockx-Indestege. ਀ 圀椀攀猀戀愀搀攀渀 ㄀㤀㜀㄀⸀ഊ ਀䈀爀愀攀欀洀愀渀Ⰰ 圀⸀䰀⸀㨀 䴀攀搀椀猀挀栀攀 攀渀 琀攀挀栀渀椀猀挀栀攀ഊ mittelnederlandse Recepten. Een tweede bijdrage ਀ 琀漀琀 搀攀 最攀猀挀栀椀攀搀攀渀椀猀 瘀漀渀 搀攀 瘀愀欀氀椀琀攀爀愀琀甀爀 椀渀ഊ de Nederlanden. Gent 1975. ਀ഊThis should provide you with some references to work with ਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀椀攀猀 最椀瘀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 氀攀愀搀 礀漀甀ഊto more materials on the subject. ਀ഊJohnna Holloway ਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀 氀氀礀渀 䰀攀眀椀猀ഊ ਀䤀搀攀猀 䈀漀漀渀攀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀 猀渀椀瀀瀀攀搀ഊ> I am working as an archaeozoologist in Belgium. I had to study sieved ਀㸀 猀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 昀愀甀渀愀氀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 昀爀漀洀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀渀搀 倀漀猀琀ⴀ䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 猀椀琀攀猀 昀爀漀洀ഊ> Namur (Belgium). ਀㸀 吀栀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀攀猀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 愀爀攀㨀 猀琀爀甀爀最攀漀渀Ⰰ 攀攀氀Ⰰ 琀爀漀甀琀Ⰰഊ> grayling, pike, carp, perch, catfish == still eaten now in Belgium. ਀㸀 䈀甀琀 愀氀猀漀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 䌀礀瀀爀椀渀椀搀猀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀㨀 戀爀攀愀洀Ⰰ 戀愀爀戀攀氀Ⰰ 渀漀猀攀Ⰰ 最甀搀最攀漀渀Ⰰ 挀栀甀戀Ⰰഊ> ide, dace, minnow (Phoxinus phoxinus), bitterling (Rhodeus sericaeus), ਀㸀 爀漀愀挀栀Ⰰ 爀甀搀搀⸀ഊ> Also, I found (almost in equal qunantity as the Cyprinids)a lot bones ਀㸀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀渀攀 氀漀愀挀栀 ⠀一漀攀洀愀挀攀椀氀甀猀 戀愀爀戀愀琀甀氀甀猀⤀Ⰰ 匀琀椀挀欀攀氀戀愀挀欀猀 愀渀搀 䴀椀氀氀攀爀✀猀ഊ> thumb (Cottus gobio). ਀㸀 䤀 愀洀 瘀攀爀礀 洀甀挀栀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀猀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 攀愀琀攀渀㨀 昀爀椀攀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 愀ഊ> soup,... Is there anyone who has some information about it or knows some ਀㸀 漀氀搀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 昀椀猀栀爀攀挀椀瀀攀攀猀㼀㸀ഊ> Thanks a lot, ਀㸀 䤀搀攀猀 ⠀䈀攀氀最椀甀洀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:58:34 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䨀攀昀昀 䜀攀搀渀攀礀∀ 㰀最攀搀渀攀礀㄀ 愀琀 椀挀漀渀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Big fish ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㸀 䴀礀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀 挀愀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀眀愀爀搀攀搀 椀琀 琀漀 洀攀ⴀⴀഊ> It is one massive fish. ਀ഊNot so large as one herring brought in at Caister during the ਀夀愀爀洀漀甀琀栀 䠀攀爀爀椀渀最 䘀愀椀爀 ⠀猀漀甀爀挀攀㨀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 夀愀爀洀漀甀琀栀 戀礀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀  ഊFinch-Crisp - Published 1877) extracted on web page ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀攀愀渀⸀挀漀⸀甀欀⼀䐀愀琀愀⼀䈀礀最漀渀攀猀⼀䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀⼀䰀漀挀愀氀⼀一漀爀昀漀氀欀⼀䜀爀攀愀琀开夀愀爀洀漀甀琀栀⼀ ഊCrisp/html/body_crisp1.htm ਀ഊ"Large fish, 17 yards long, the jaw 3.25 yards long, body 4.5 yards ਀琀栀椀挀欀Ⰰ 挀愀甀最栀琀 愀琀 䌀愀椀猀琀攀爀∀ഊ ਀䌀愀瀀琀 䔀氀椀愀猀ഊ-Renaissance Geek of the Cyber Seas ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ  ㌀ 䄀瀀爀 ㈀  㘀 ㈀㈀㨀㌀㈀㨀㌀㤀 ⴀ 㜀  ഊFrom: "Laura C. Minnick" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀䌀䄀 䘀椀猀栀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀㼀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ>> Are there any SCA oriented lists or websites on pre 1600's ਀㸀㸀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 戀漀愀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 昀椀猀栀 挀愀甀最栀琀㼀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀 匀栀愀爀漀渀ഊ>> gordonse at one.net ਀㸀ഊ> Yep. Apparently there's a group of folks into period fishing, both with a ਀㸀 瀀漀氀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀欀椀渀最 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 琀爀愀瀀猀⸀ ഊ> ਀㸀 倀栀氀椀瀀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 最漀 栀攀爀攀㨀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀愀爀爀攀愀挀栀攀猀⸀漀爀最⼀昀椀猀栀椀渀最⼀琀爀攀愀琀礀猀攀开椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ A treatise on fishing with an angle ਀ഊSlightly out of period: ਀ഊhttp://darkwing.uoregon.edu/%7Erbear/walton/index.html ਀          䤀猀愀愀挀 圀愀氀琀漀渀✀猀 琀爀攀愀琀椀猀攀 漀渀 䄀渀最氀椀渀最ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀搀愀爀欀眀椀渀最⸀甀漀爀攀最漀渀⸀攀搀甀⼀─㜀䔀爀戀攀愀爀⼀戀愀爀欀攀爀㄀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ Thomas Barker on angling ਀ഊhttp://darkwing.uoregon.edu/%7Erbear/venables1.html ਀          刀漀戀攀爀琀 嘀攀渀愀戀氀攀猀 漀渀 愀渀最氀椀渀最ഊ ਀✀䰀愀椀渀椀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:05:19 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀倀栀椀氀 吀爀漀礀 ⼀ 䜀⸀ 吀愀挀椀琀甀猀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀∀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀䌀䄀 䘀椀猀栀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀㼀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊOn Apr 4, 2006, at 1:32 AM, Laura C. Minnick wrote: ਀㸀 匀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 漀甀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀搀愀爀欀眀椀渀最⸀甀漀爀攀最漀渀⸀攀搀甀⼀─㜀䔀爀戀攀愀爀⼀眀愀氀琀漀渀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ> Isaac Walton's treatise on Angling ਀ഊJust by way of perspective: this out-of-period source was published ਀琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 礀攀愀爀 愀猀 吀栀攀 䌀氀漀猀攀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀洀椀渀攀渀琀氀礀 䰀攀愀爀渀攀搀 匀椀爀 䬀攀渀攀氀洀ഊDigby, Knight, Opened (or however much of the 72-page-long title you ਀眀愀渀琀 琀漀 爀攀昀攀爀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 眀漀爀欀 戀礀⤀⸀ 䤀琀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 昀椀猀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀ഊrecall. ਀ഊRecommended even for non-anglers. ਀ഊAdamantius ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀  䄀瀀爀 ㈀  㠀 ㄀㠀㨀 㐀㨀㐀  ⴀ 㐀  ഊFrom: "Sharon Gordon" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䤀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最氀攀愀渀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀漀搀 戀漀渀攀猀ഊTo: "'Cooks within the SCA'" ਀ഊFrom The Times ਀䄀瀀爀椀氀 ㄀㐀Ⰰ ㈀  㠀ഊEuropean history in cod bones ਀吀爀愀搀椀渀最 愀挀爀漀猀猀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 爀攀瘀攀愀氀攀搀 椀渀 挀漀搀 戀漀渀攀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 愀 洀攀琀爀攀 椀渀ഊlength ਀一漀爀洀愀渀 䠀愀洀洀漀渀搀Ⰰ 䄀爀挀栀愀攀漀氀漀最礀 䌀漀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀攀渀琀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀愀琀愀猀琀爀漀瀀栀椀挀 搀攀挀氀椀渀攀 漀昀 一漀爀琀栀 匀攀愀 挀漀搀 愀猀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀甀氀琀 漀昀 漀瘀攀爀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 栀愀猀ഊhad an impact on all our menus, from the poshest restaurants to the corner ਀挀栀椀瀀瀀椀攀㨀 琀栀攀 昀椀猀栀 氀攀昀琀 愀爀攀 昀攀眀 愀渀搀 猀洀愀氀氀Ⰰ 挀漀洀瀀愀爀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀昀 氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 愀ഊcentury ago. Cod more than a metre in length are rare these days, whereas ਀愀爀挀栀愀攀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 猀栀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀猀栀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀椀稀攀 眀攀爀攀 挀漀洀洀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀䄀 渀攀眀 猀琀甀搀礀 猀栀漀眀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀搀 眀攀爀攀 攀砀瀀氀漀椀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀 昀爀漀洀 洀愀渀礀Ⰰഊoften distant, fishing grounds, with an international trade in dried ਀猀琀漀挀欀昀椀猀栀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 昀椀猀栀 攀愀琀攀渀 椀渀 愀 夀漀爀欀猀栀椀爀攀 瘀椀氀氀愀最攀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 猀漀洀攀 昀爀漀洀ഊoff the coast of Sweden, while merchants in what is now northern Germany ate ਀挀漀搀 昀爀漀洀 䄀爀挀琀椀挀 一漀爀眀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀䌀漀ⴀ漀瀀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀 戀礀 愀爀挀栀愀攀漀氀漀最椀猀琀猀 愀渀搀 猀挀椀攀渀琀椀猀琀猀 昀爀漀洀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀Ⰰ 䘀爀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 䈀攀氀最椀甀洀ⰀഊGermany, Scandinavia and the Baltic states has allowed medieval cod bones ਀爀攀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 猀椀琀攀猀 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀瀀愀爀琀 愀猀 倀漀氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 伀爀欀渀攀礀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀愀氀礀猀攀搀 昀漀爀ഊtheir stable-isotope content. Variation in the isotopes of carbon and ਀渀椀琀爀漀最攀渀 椀猀 爀攀最椀漀渀愀氀Ⰰ ∀洀愀欀椀渀最 椀琀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀 戀漀渀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 挀漀搀 挀愀甀最栀琀ഊin distant waters", James Barrett and colleagues report in the Journal of ਀䄀爀挀栀愀攀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀⸀ 吀栀攀椀爀 眀漀爀欀 猀甀最最攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 氀漀渀最ⴀ搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 昀椀猀栀ഊtrade had already begun by late Anglo-Saxon times, at the end of the ਀昀椀爀猀琀 洀椀氀氀攀渀渀椀甀洀 䄀䐀⸀ഊ ਀䴀漀爀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 愀琀㨀ഊhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/court_and_social/ ਀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀㌀㜀㌀㠀㌀㠀㌀⸀攀挀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:28:29 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀 㰀匀琀攀昀愀渀氀椀刀漀甀猀 愀琀 愀甀猀琀椀渀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] salt cod ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀㰀猀渀椀瀀㸀ഊ ਀圀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 琀攀爀洀 ∀欀椀瀀瀀攀爀攀搀∀ 最漀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 漀爀 猀漀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 眀攀  ഊthink of as "kippered" fish or "kippers" apparently dates to just the ਀㄀㤀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀搀 爀攀昀攀爀猀 琀漀 愀 氀椀最栀琀氀礀 猀洀漀欀攀搀 昀椀猀栀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀  ഊsmoking is mostly for flavor. This fish required the speed of the ਀爀愀椀氀爀漀愀搀猀 琀漀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀 椀琀 琀漀 洀愀爀欀攀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 椀琀 猀瀀漀椀氀攀搀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀爀攀  ഊwasn't enough smoking to add much preservation qualities. ਀ഊI am currently in the middle of reading this book. It has quite a lot ਀漀昀 椀渀昀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀  ഊsalted herring and the stockfish trade. ਀ഊFish on Friday: Feasting, Fasting, and Discovery of the New World ਀䘀愀最愀渀Ⰰ 䈀爀椀愀渀ഊISBN: 0-465-02284-7 ਀䈀愀猀椀挀 䈀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀ഊ2006 ਀䘀爀漀洀 倀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀爀猀 圀攀攀欀氀礀ഊStarred Review. It was fish, not spices, that led to the discovery of ਀一漀爀琀栀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀Ⰰ∀ 猀瀀攀挀甀氀愀琀攀猀 愀渀琀栀爀漀瀀漀氀漀最椀猀琀 䘀愀最愀渀⸀ 䘀爀漀洀 ㄀㐀㤀㔀 琀漀 ㄀㔀㈀㔀Ⰰ 栀攀  ഊtells us, the monks at Westminster Abbey consumed almost 11,000 ਀欀椀氀漀最爀愀洀猀 漀昀 昀椀猀栀 瀀攀爀 礀攀愀爀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀栀攀攀爀 攀渀漀爀洀椀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 瀀椀猀挀椀渀攀 挀甀椀猀椀渀攀  ഊoffers a snapshot of the exalted place fish held in the life of ਀爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀洀甀渀椀琀椀攀猀⸀ 䘀愀最愀渀 ⠀吀栀攀 䰀椀琀琀氀攀 䤀挀攀 䄀最攀⤀ 爀攀最愀氀攀猀 爀攀愀搀攀爀猀 眀椀琀栀  ഊa fast-paced, edge-of the-seat tale of Christianity's role in the ਀搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 愀渀搀 昀椀猀栀攀爀椀攀猀 愀猀 挀漀洀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀 瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀⸀ 䈀礀 琀栀攀  ഊfourth century, fish had become the center of Christian fast days and ਀栀漀氀礀 昀攀愀猀琀猀⸀ 䔀愀爀氀礀 昀漀爀洀猀 漀昀 愀焀甀愀挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 琀漀 洀攀攀琀 琀栀攀  ഊdemand, but eventually, as Fagan points out, Europe's rapidly growing ਀䌀愀琀栀漀氀椀挀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 椀琀猀 搀攀洀愀渀搀 昀漀爀 昀椀猀栀 漀渀 䘀爀椀搀愀礀猀 愀渀搀 昀愀猀琀 搀愀礀猀  ഊled, as early as the Middle Ages, to a North Atlantic fishing industry ਀瀀爀漀瘀椀搀椀渀最 栀攀爀爀椀渀最 愀渀搀 挀漀搀 愀渀搀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀椀渀最 猀愀氀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀洀漀欀椀渀最 琀漀  ഊpreserve the fish for the transatlantic trip. But the onset of the ਀䰀椀琀琀氀攀 䤀挀攀 䄀最攀 昀漀爀挀攀搀 昀椀猀栀攀爀洀攀渀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 猀漀甀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀渀琀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀礀  ഊfollowed cod down to their winter waters off the coast of Maine. ਀䘀愀最愀渀✀猀 爀椀挀栀 瀀爀漀猀攀 挀爀攀愀琀攀猀 愀 氀椀瘀攀氀礀 猀漀挀椀愀氀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 挀愀瀀琀椀瘀愀琀攀  ഊreaders of Mark Kurlansky and Jared Diamond. B&w illus. ਀䌀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 㼀 刀攀攀搀 䈀甀猀椀渀攀猀猀 䤀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀 搀椀瘀椀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 刀攀攀搀 䔀氀猀攀瘀椀攀爀  ഊInc. All rights reserved. ਀ഊFrom School Library Journal ਀䄀搀甀氀琀⼀䠀椀最栀 匀挀栀漀漀氀☀渀搀愀猀栀㬀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀ⴀ瀀爀漀瘀漀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 眀攀氀氀ⴀ爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀攀搀  ഊexplanation for early European exploration. According to Fagan, the ਀欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 愀渀搀 琀攀挀栀渀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 椀渀渀漀瘀愀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀搀攀 漀挀攀愀渀 瘀漀礀愀最攀猀  ഊpossible were gained over hundreds of years by ordinary people in ਀瀀甀爀猀甀椀琀 漀昀 昀椀猀栀⸀ 吀栀攀 愀瀀瀀攀琀椀琀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 昀漀漀搀 眀愀猀 攀渀漀爀洀漀甀猀 椀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀  ഊduring the Middle Ages. Rare fish graced the tables of nobles as a ਀搀攀氀椀挀愀挀礀⸀ 匀琀漀挀欀昀椀猀栀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀搀 洀攀愀琀 搀甀爀椀渀最 栀漀氀礀 搀愀礀猀 愀渀搀 猀甀瀀瀀氀攀洀攀渀琀攀搀  ഊthe meager diet of peasants. Preserved fish fed soldiers when they ਀眀攀爀攀 昀愀爀 昀爀漀洀 栀漀洀攀⸀ 倀漀氀椀琀椀挀愀氀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 洀漀渀漀瀀漀氀椀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀氀椀洀愀琀攀  ഊchanges forced fishermen farther from shore. Better designs for boats ਀昀漀氀氀漀眀攀搀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 渀攀眀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 漀昀 搀爀礀椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀愀氀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀愀琀挀栀⸀ 吀栀攀  ഊlonger shelf life for fish allowed for even greater distances to be ਀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀✀猀 氀椀瘀攀氀礀 猀琀礀氀攀 愀渀搀 甀猀攀 漀昀 昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 洀愀欀攀  ഊthis an entertaining book that would also be useful for students doing ਀爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 漀渀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 漀昀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 氀椀昀攀⸀ 䄀渀 愀渀愀氀礀猀椀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀  ഊvarious claims of who reached the New World first is particularly ਀椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀ 䘀椀猀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 挀氀愀猀猀椀挀愀氀 刀漀洀攀 琀漀 ㄀㜀琀栀ⴀ挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 一攀眀  ഊEngland, are sprinkled throughout the narrative. A reverse ਀挀栀爀漀渀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 琀椀洀攀 氀椀渀攀 椀猀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀搀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 ㄀㈀ 洀愀瀀猀 愀渀搀 ㈀㜀 戀氀愀挀欀ⴀ ഊand-white illustrations that include reproductions of contemporary ਀瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最猀 漀昀 琀漀眀渀猀 愀渀搀 猀栀漀爀攀猀 愀渀搀 眀漀漀搀挀甀琀猀 猀栀漀眀椀渀最 猀洀漀欀攀栀漀甀猀攀猀Ⰰ  ഊwaterwheels, and other inventions. Drawings of fishing boats, fish, ਀愀渀搀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 琀漀漀氀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 昀攀愀琀甀爀攀搀⸀☀渀搀愀猀栀㬀䬀愀琀栀礀 吀攀眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䌀栀愀渀琀椀氀氀礀  ഊRegional Library, Fairfax County, VA ਀䌀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 㼀 刀攀攀搀 䈀甀猀椀渀攀猀猀 䤀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀 搀椀瘀椀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 刀攀攀搀 䔀氀猀攀瘀椀攀爀  ഊInc. All rights reserved. ਀ഊStefan ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊTHLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra ਀   䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀           䄀甀猀琀椀渀Ⰰ 吀攀砀愀猀          匀琀攀昀愀渀氀椀刀漀甀猀 愀琀 愀甀猀琀椀渀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris fishing-msg Page 14 of 14 ਀ഊ