wearng-cornts-msg - 9/12/07 Comments on wearing coronets at SCA events. When to wear or not wear them. NOTE: See also the files: coronets-msg, headgear-msg, jewelry-msg, Signet-Rings-art, Baronial-Lead-art, Guid-f-Barons-art, SCA-royalty-msg, A-Peer-Within-art. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: Marthe Cole Date: September 4, 2006 4:59:32 PM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats > Should one always wear their Court Barony coronet at events? > Or is it equally as correct to wear a period hat that matches one's > costume, but then wear one's Court Barony coronet only during court? > Or must one combine a period hat with a Court Barony coronet? > > Answers? > Hillary Personally, I think it's up to the individual. I wear mine when I feel like it, and take it off when 1) I feel like it. 2) It doesn't go with my outfit. 3) It was giving me a headache. 4) I want to just "not wear it" for a while. I don't think anyone will say anything one way or another if you choose to wear your coronet or not. Well, unless you're wearing it to bed or the shower, in which case somebody might look at you funny, or ask questions..... Claryce from afar {back to lurking mode} From: Paul DeLisle Date: September 4, 2006 5:15:37 PM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats Remove "always" and "must", and all three choices are correct. Wearing regalia is a matter of personal choice. Neither Corpora, Kingdom law or the terms of *any* Award or Order's charter *require* the wearing of insignia or regalia... they grant the *privilege* of wearing a particular piece. As to Ansteorran (or any other) custom or tradition: I've seen Duke Frederick of Holland without any regalia but a white Baldric; I've also seen him spinning his Ducal coronet of the end of his Marshalling staff. And I've have seen Ansteorran Crowns attend events "in mufti", with no regalia at all. As long as no dishonor to the Order, Rank, or Award is easily perceived, any method of display (or none at all) is appropriate. In Service, I remain Alden Pharamond Tir Medoin, Ansteorra (Olde Farte Herald) From: Chris Zakes Date: September 4, 2006 6:43:55 PM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats > Should one always wear their Court Barony coronet at events? Well *I* don't. I normally wear a hat to avoid sunburn. > Or is it equally as correct to wear a period hat that matches one's > costume, but then wear one's Court Barony coronet only during court? "During court" is the most likely time to find me in my coronet, but even then, it's not 100% of the time. FWIW, I've seen very few Renaissance-era pictures of people--even kings and queens--wearing crowns or coronets > Or must one combine a period hat with a Court Barony coronet? That's also an option, but it's hardly mandatory. -Tivar Moondragon From: James Crouchet Date: September 5, 2006 4:26:38 PM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats I agree with Alden on this. The wearing is optional. However, if someone fails to give your rank the proper respect when you fail to wear the hat, you should have no complaint. I can guarantee you that in period there were many times that someone of rank went around without the regalia of office. Hundreds of portraits testify to that. There may be many reasons not to wear regalia of any type. Though I am a Don and a Baron, this past weekend I wore no White Scarf and no Coronet because I was playing a different character. By some strange chance that character just happened to be allied with another alternate character who was played by the Queen. She also wore no regalia in playing her role. We both appeared in court at various times as our alternate characters. Any requirements to wear our regalia would have spoiled all that. Neither the slip of white cloth nor the shiny hat was necessary for me to serve my Queen. The rank is invested in the person, not the regalia. Wearing a coronet [does not] make a person Noble; failing to wear one does not mean they stop being Noble. Christian Doré From: Michael Silverhands Date: September 6, 2006 12:24:39 PM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats On Sep 5, 2006, at 4:26 PM, James Crouchet wrote: > The rank is invested in the person, not the regalia. ... I couldn't agree more. > ... failing to wear one does not mean they stop being Noble. > > Christian Doré Agreed. When I was first invested Baron of Stargate, I asked a wise person (HE Sir William of Weir) whether I should wear the coronet to this, that or the other occasion. He replied much as you have: "Whether you wear the coronet or not, Michael, the fact remains that you *are* the Baron of Stargate. Behave always with the nobility of character befitting that office, and the coronet doesn't matter. You cannot take off the coronet and stop being Baron for a few minutes, any more than merely putting it on would make you Baron. It signifies what rank you hold, but it does not *make* you who you *are*." Or as another wise person said: "No matter where you go, there you are." :-) Michael Silverhands From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" Date: September 5, 2006 12:17:42 AM CDT To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org Subject: [Ansteorra] When to wearCoronets and Hats from Duchess willow The choice whether you wear your hat is up to you. In my time period the kings of England only wore their crowns on special days and it would had been improper to wear something if your king is not wearing anything. Have you noticed that many of our dukes only wear their coronets at high court. The Roses wear theirs most of the time but mainly as a way to finish off our garb. They are great for keeping veils on. They also solve the problem of what to do with your hair. Some people, like me wear period coronets that look like SCA baronial coronets. Be warned if you don't wear your "hat" or you do like I do and not wear the correct SCA coronet. It will be very possible that people will not address you by your proper title. If this is going to bother you please help people out and wear your coronet. In the SCA many barons put their coronets on their regular hats, but my studies suggest this is not a period style. Look at today's customs most nobles in England only wear their hats in full court situations and they don't wear them with hats. Duchess Willow de Wisp Edited by Mark S. Harris wearng-cornts-msg Page 4 of 4