netting-msg - 5/26/08 Netting for hairnets, snoods, fishnets, hammocks. NOTE: See also the files: headgear-msg, fishing-msg, rope-msg, weaving-msg, looms-msg, p-backpacks-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:30:19 -0700 From: Brett and Karen Williams To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Netting Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > I'm interested in learning fine-mesh netting in order to reproduce the > hairnets in the Museum of London _Textiles and Dress_ books. > > Would anyone know where I might procure a netting needle? Even better, > does anyone know a merchant who might be at Pennsic who sells them? > > Finally, does anyone with practical experience with this have hints they > could share? > > Cheers-- > Mistress Nicolaa de Bracton > sclark at chass.utoronto.ca Robin & Russ Handweavers in McMinnville, Oregon, carry about five different sizes of white plastic netting needles, each one for about US$2.00 per needle. They also carry the appropriate size of silk thread (100/3 silk sewing thread, usually the manufacturer is Guetermann-- but at least in the US, Guetermann is commonly available in the thread displays of a well stocked fabric store). Robin & Russ additionally carries all kinds of linen threads suitable for lacemaking, too. http://www.macnet.com/home/robinruss/index.html Lacis also carries these supplies, and would be likely to have a book on the subject. http://www.lacis.com/ I, too, have been toying with the idea of netting myself a silk hairnet, but I haven't yet tried it out. I bought the smallest size netting needle when I was in Oregon three weeks ago. It's my understanding that the size of the needle determines the gauge of the net mesh. ciorstan Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:21:28 -0500 From: flyingneedle at webtv.net (Betty Pillsbury) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Netting Lacis 3163 Adeline St Berkeley, CA 94703 (510) 843-7178 This company carries netting supplies, threads, and all manners of goodies. Their textile book selection is not to be missed. I have not made netting, but have done lacis (embroidery on netting). Lacis is period (check out any of the embroidery pattern books printed in period). It involvles needleweaving in the mesh. Good luck. Bronwynn O'Loughlin Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:11:28 -0400 From: Donna Kenton To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Netting Brett and Karen Williams wrote: >I, too, have been toying with the idea of netting myself a silk hairnet I have done netting with cotton, but not with silk. As you might suspect, trying to achieve consistent tension is the worst of it. The technique itself isn't difficult. If you can macrame, you can probably net. Reader's Digest Complete Needlework Book (or some such title -- I don't have it at hand just now) has pretty decent instructions. Rosalinde -- Donna Kenton * donna at dabbler.com * http://www.dabbler.com/ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:08:45 -0700 From: ladymari at GILA.NET (Mary Hysong) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Netting Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > I'm interested in learning fine-mesh netting in order to reproduce the > hairnets in the Museum of London _Textiles and Dress_ books. > > Finally, does anyone with practical experience with this have hints > they could share? > > Mistress Nicolaa de Bracton > sclark at chass.utoronto.ca I myself have done a hair net based on the above. I used fine black cotton crochet thread and netted in the round. I have two clamps [don't remember the brand, but they have long flat bars, bright orange metal clamping parts with wooden handle, try Home Depot or Wal-Mart; very handy for all sorts of things] any way, I clamp them with the long bars above the table. I started by deciding how big I needed to begin, increase and end, set the clamps the right distance apart and tied a loop of thread around the uprights [clamps]. I used this as a base to begin netting, when finished I pulled the thread up smaller and tied it off at the smaller size and trimmed the ends. I added a fingerloop woven band [in the same book] for the bottom and decorated it with peices of amber sewn on. For a needle I made mine by using some heavy copper electical wire, also used brass welding rods. Both are fairly soft, beat the ends a bit to flatten, then used a very fine file to make the forks on each end. Probably not the medieval way, but the net needles came out same size diameter and length as the artifacts shown. Just the fork on the artifacts seems to be more rounded than my method. My hair net is a little coarser than what is shown and the knots are more visible, probably because I used heavier thread and a larger guage. My next one will be of handspun and dyed silk as is the orginal. BTW the netting is done exactly the same as for hammocks and fish nets. Hope this helps, Mairi -- Mary Hysong and Curtis Edenfield Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:05:45 -0700 From: ladymari at GILA.NET (Mary Hysong) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Netting Brett and Karen Williams wrote: > I, too, have been toying with the idea of netting myself a silk hairnet, > but I haven't yet tried it out. I bought the smallest size netting > needle when I was in Oregon three weeks ago. It's my understanding that > the size of the needle determines the gauge of the net mesh. *~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~* The size of the guage is not really determined by the size of the needle; the needle is used to carry the thread, as if it were a weaving shuttle. You bring the needle through the loop of the row before, and use it while you tie the knot, then carry over to the next loop. To keep all the meshes the same size you use a guage. I used a thin peice of wood, about 1/2 inch or a little less wide, about 6 inches long, tapered the edges of it [perhaps beveled is a better word here], tapered the two ends to a blunt point. You hold the guage in place while you bring the shuttle around it and through the loop, to hold the right length of thread between the knots. Clear as mud, eh? Check out something like Reader's Digest "Back to Basics" book, the instructions for netting a hammock are the same as for a hair net, only thread and guage vary. Hope this helps, mairi -- Mary Hysong and Curtis Edenfield Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:46:38 EST From: To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: hair nets - how to I got this from the Historical Needlework NG. Perhaps it might be helpful to some. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5145/hairnet.html Phillipa Edited by Mark S. Harris netting-msg Page 4 of 4