netting-msg - 5/26/08
Netting for hairnets, snoods, fishnets, hammocks.
NOTE: See also the files: headgear-msg, fishing-msg, rope-msg, weaving-msg,
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:30:19 -0700
From: Brett and Karen Williams <brettwi at ix.netcom.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Netting
Susan Carroll-Clark wrote:
> I'm interested in learning fine-mesh netting in order to reproduce the
> hairnets in the Museum of London _Textiles and Dress_ books.
>
> Would anyone know where I might procure a netting needle? Even better,
> does anyone know a merchant who might be at Pennsic who sells them?
>
> Finally, does anyone with practical experience with this have hints they
> could share?
>
> Cheers--
> Mistress Nicolaa de Bracton
> sclark at chass.utoronto.ca
Robin & Russ Handweavers in McMinnville, Oregon, carry about five
different sizes of white plastic netting needles, each one for about
US$2.00 per needle. They also carry the appropriate size of silk thread
(100/3 silk sewing thread, usually the manufacturer is Guetermann-- but
at least in the US, Guetermann is commonly available in the thread
displays of a well stocked fabric store). Robin & Russ additionally
carries all kinds of linen threads suitable for lacemaking, too.
http://www.macnet.com/home/robinruss/index.html
Lacis also carries these supplies, and would be likely to have a book on
the subject.
I, too, have been toying with the idea of netting myself a silk hairnet,
but I haven't yet tried it out. I bought the smallest size netting
needle when I was in Oregon three weeks ago. It's my understanding that
the size of the needle determines the gauge of the net mesh.
ciorstan
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:21:28 -0500
From: flyingneedle at webtv.net (Betty Pillsbury)
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Netting
Lacis
3163 Adeline St
Berkeley, CA 94703
(510) 843-7178
This company carries netting supplies, threads, and all manners of
goodies. Their textile book selection is not to be missed.
I have not made netting, but have done lacis (embroidery on netting).
Lacis is period (check out any of the embroidery pattern books printed
in period). It involvles needleweaving in the mesh.
Good luck.
Bronwynn O'Loughlin
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:11:28 -0400
From: Donna Kenton <donna at dabbler.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Netting
Brett and Karen Williams wrote:
>I, too, have been toying with the idea of netting myself a silk hairnet
I have done netting with cotton, but not with silk. As you might
suspect, trying to achieve consistent tension is the worst of it. The
technique itself isn't difficult. If you can macrame, you can probably
net. Reader's Digest Complete Needlework Book (or some such title -- I
don't have it at hand just now) has pretty decent instructions.
Rosalinde
--
Donna Kenton * donna at dabbler.com * http://www.dabbler.com/
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:08:45 -0700
From: ladymari at GILA.NET (Mary Hysong)
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Netting
Susan Carroll-Clark wrote:
> I'm interested in learning fine-mesh netting in order to reproduce the
> hairnets in the Museum of London _Textiles and Dress_ books.
>
> Finally, does anyone with practical experience with this have hints
> they could share?
>
> Mistress Nicolaa de Bracton
> sclark at chass.utoronto.ca
I myself have done a hair net based on the above. I used fine black
cotton crochet thread and netted in the round. I have two clamps [don't
remember the brand, but they have long flat bars, bright orange
metal clamping parts with wooden handle, try Home Depot or Wal-Mart;
very handy for all sorts of things] any way, I clamp them with the long
bars above the table. I started by deciding how big I needed to begin,
increase and end, set the clamps the right distance apart and tied a
loop of thread around the uprights [clamps]. I used this as a base to
begin netting, when finished I pulled the thread up smaller and tied it
off at the smaller size and trimmed the ends. I added a fingerloop
woven band [in the same book] for the bottom and decorated it with
peices of amber sewn on.
For a needle I made mine by using some heavy copper electical wire, also
used brass welding rods. Both are fairly soft, beat the ends a bit to
flatten, then used a very fine file to make the forks on each end.
Probably not the medieval way, but the net needles came out same size
diameter and length as the artifacts shown. Just the fork on the
artifacts seems to be more rounded than my method.
My hair net is a little coarser than what is shown and the knots are
more visible, probably because I used heavier thread and a larger
guage. My next one will be of handspun and dyed silk as is the orginal.
BTW the netting is done exactly the same as for hammocks and fish nets.
Hope this helps,
Mairi
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Mary Hysong <Lady Mairi Broder, Atenveldt Kingdom Scribe> and Curtis
Edenfield <The C-Man>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:05:45 -0700
From: ladymari at GILA.NET (Mary Hysong)
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Netting
Brett and Karen Williams wrote:
> I, too, have been toying with the idea of netting myself a silk hairnet,
> but I haven't yet tried it out. I bought the smallest size netting
> needle when I was in Oregon three weeks ago. It's my understanding that
> the size of the needle determines the gauge of the net mesh.
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The size of the guage is not really determined by the size of the
needle; the needle is used to carry the thread, as if it were a weaving
shuttle. You bring the needle through the loop of the row before, and
use it while you tie the knot, then carry over to the next loop. To
keep all the meshes the same size you use a guage. I used a thin peice
of wood, about 1/2 inch or a little less wide, about 6 inches long,
tapered the edges of it [perhaps beveled is a better word here], tapered
the two ends to a blunt point. You hold the guage in place while you
bring the shuttle around it and through the loop, to hold the right
length of thread between the knots.
Clear as mud, eh? Check out something like Reader's Digest "Back to
Basics" book, the instructions for netting a hammock are the same as for
a hair net, only thread and guage vary.
Hope this helps, mairi
--
Mary Hysong <Lady Mairi Broder, Atenveldt Kingdom Scribe> and Curtis
Edenfield <The C-Man>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:46:38 EST
From: <Seton1355 at aol.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: hair nets - how to
I got this from the Historical Needlework NG. Perhaps it might be helpful
to some.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5145/hairnet.html
Phillipa
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