hand-muffs-msg - 2/3/12

Period hand muffs. Hand warmers.

NOTE: See also the files: gloves-msg, glovs-mittns-lnks, finger-rings-lnks, finger-rings-msg, fur-msg, cld-weath-cmp-msg, cloaks-msg.

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Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:27:57 +1000
From: Alessandra Dellamorot <a_dellamorot at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

I am hoping someone on the list can help me with some terminology.  I am 
wanting to make a hand muff, hand warmer, but am having no luck in 
coming up with anything that is actually period.  I suspect that I have 
the wrong term.

Does anyone out there have any info? I would really like to make one 
before I have to head to Polit next month and I don't have time to make 
gloves...

Alessandra


Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 10:44:15 +0800
From: N B <gatanoz at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

I have found such for late period venetian so far. Muffs I think they were
called, can hunt down doco when I get home

Tex


Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:52:12 +1200
From: bsibly at paradise.net.nz
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Try hoggers and soggers. One of those is leg warmers, and one arm 
warmers, but I can't recall which. 

Roheisa


Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:22:03 +0930
From: L Turley <lisa.k.turley at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

This might help:
http://renaissanceitaly.net/mygarb/muff.htm

It shows a woodcut of a venetian muff and how to construct one.

Edine


Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:58:30 +1000
From: Alessandra Dellamorot <a_dellamorot at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Rohesia - hoggers were legwarms and scoggers were the armwarmers, but 
they are nautical according to the lochac fibre guild page, but it meant 
I learnt something new today!

Alessandra


Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona at yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Alessandra, in addition to the information I was able to find in 'Clothing of the Renaissance World' (translation of Vecellio) for the Venetian muff I made, there is some information (albeit limited to English examples) in 'Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd' if you can get hold of a copy. If I can be of help with either of those two sources please let me know.

Bella


Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:24:01 +1000
From: Tiffany Brown <teffania at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Goddard debates if the 12th C french term moufle/muffle means a sleeve
long enough to cover the hands or a mitten like thing:
http://goddard.1186-583.org/#moufle

Neither of which is a muff, but does suggest the word probably
developed into the word muff. it also gives you some alternative ways
to keep your hands warm that aren't a muff.

Teffania


Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona at yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

<<< Goddard debates if the 12th C french term moufle/muffle means a sleeve
long enough to cover the hands or a mitten like thing:
http://goddard.1186-583.org/#moufle

Neither of which is a muff, but does suggest the word probably
developed into the word muff. >>>

It did. Florio in his Italian/English dictionary of 1598 uses the word muff (along with snufkin, which is also mentioned in QEWU), so it is a period accurate word. The Italian words for muff are "manetta", "manicone" and "manezza" (the one most likely to have been used in Venice). You can find some of Florio transcribed (by me, so there may be mistakes) here:?http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/florio.htm? or you can go straight to the scans of the original here:?http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/florio1598/

Bella


Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:39:29 +1000
From: "Deborah Lane" <oonaghme at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: "'The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list'"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

http://webspace.webring.com/people/lo/oonaghsown/curves/muff_in_sixteenth_century_dress.htm

This has a bit of information on muffs.  Construct them flat with fabric of
choice on one side and fur on the other side.  They button up to make the
muff, but open out to lay across your lap to help keep your legs worm when
you are using your hands for other things .. like eating.

You'll be needing it in Canberra, we are freezing a the moment, and next
month wont be any better.   A great opportunity to wear all those things
usually too warm on any other occasion.  Snow would be great.

Deb
(Oonagh)


Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:35:19 +1000
From: Raymond Wickham <insidious565 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers "not a spam"
To: <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

There is a mention in Du Canges "Glossarium mediae et infimae latinitatis"

MVFFVLAF Gall Meuffles chiro thecae pdlitae et hibernae Capitul Aquisgran ann 817 et Capitul Ca roli M addit t cap 22 Wantos in aefl uc Muffulas in hieme veruecinas Et cap 79 Muffulae veruecinae Monachis dentur Mulfolas habet callan notione Adelardus in Stat ??? Corbeienf LI c 3 Musfulas Leges Henrici I cap 70 l?u vt quidam Codd praeferunt mufflat V Moffula 

To a sheep skin cover for the hand issued in winter to the monks.
this would be open to personal interpretation


Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:55:02 +1000
From: "Deborah Lane" <oonaghme at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers
To: "'The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list'"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

<<< http://webspace.webring.com/people/lo/oonaghsown/curves/muff_in_sixteenth_century_dress.htm >>>

<<< For some reason the link you have provided is just going to some web 
ring?........ Do you have another avenue to that link because i am really 
interested in making them?

Genevieve >>>

Try this then 
http://tiny.cc/o8t8x

Deb
http://webspace.webring.com/people/lo/oonaghsown/

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