hand-muffs-msg - 2/3/12

 

Period hand muffs. Hand warmers.

 

NOTE: See also the files: gloves-msg, glovs-mittns-lnks, finger-rings-lnks, finger-rings-msg, fur-msg, cld-weath-cmp-msg, cloaks-msg.

 

************************************************************************

NOTICE -

 

This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.

 

This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org

 

I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter.

 

The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors.

 

Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s).

 

Thank you,

    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                          Stefan at florilegium.org

************************************************************************

 

Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:27:57 +1000

From: Alessandra Dellamorot <a_dellamorot at optusnet.com.au>

Subject: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

I am hoping someone on the list can help me with some terminology.  I am

wanting to make a hand muff, hand warmer, but am having no luck in

coming up with anything that is actually period.  I suspect that I have

the wrong term.

 

Does anyone out there have any info? I would really like to make one

before I have to head to Polit next month and I don't have time to make

gloves...

 

Alessandra

 

 

Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 10:44:15 +0800

From: N B <gatanoz at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

I have found such for late period venetian so far. Muffs I think they were

called, can hunt down doco when I get home

 

Tex

 

 

Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:52:12 +1200

From: bsibly at paradise.net.nz

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

Try hoggers and soggers. One of those is leg warmers, and one arm

warmers, but I can't recall which.

 

Roheisa

 

 

Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:22:03 +0930

From: L Turley <lisa.k.turley at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

This might help:

http://renaissanceitaly.net/mygarb/muff.htm

 

It shows a woodcut of a venetian muff and how to construct one.

 

Edine

 

 

Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:58:30 +1000

From: Alessandra Dellamorot <a_dellamorot at optusnet.com.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

Rohesia - hoggers were legwarms and scoggers were the armwarmers, but

they are nautical according to the lochac fibre guild page, but it meant

I learnt something new today!

 

Alessandra

 

 

Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:08:34 -0700 (PDT)

From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona at yahoo.com.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

Alessandra, in addition to the information I was able to find in 'Clothing of the Renaissance World' (translation of Vecellio) for the Venetian muff I made, there is some information (albeit limited to English examples) in 'Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd' if you can get hold of a copy. If I can be of help with either of those two sources please let me know.

 

Bella

 

 

Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:24:01 +1000

From: Tiffany Brown <teffania at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

Goddard debates if the 12th C french term moufle/muffle means a sleeve

long enough to cover the hands or a mitten like thing:

http://goddard.1186-583.org/#moufle

 

Neither of which is a muff, but does suggest the word probably

developed into the word muff. it also gives you some alternative ways

to keep your hands warm that aren't a muff.

 

Teffania

 

 

Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT)

From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona at yahoo.com.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

<<< Goddard debates if the 12th C french term moufle/muffle means a sleeve

long enough to cover the hands or a mitten like thing:

http://goddard.1186-583.org/#moufle

 

Neither of which is a muff, but does suggest the word probably

developed into the word muff. >>>

 

It did. Florio in his Italian/English dictionary of 1598 uses the word muff (along with snufkin, which is also mentioned in QEWU), so it is a period accurate word. The Italian words for muff are "manetta", "manicone" and "manezza" (the one most likely to have been used in Venice). You can find some of Florio transcribed (by me, so there may be mistakes) here:?http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/florio.htm? or you can go straight to the scans of the original here:?http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/florio1598/

 

Bella

 

 

Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:39:29 +1000

From: "Deborah Lane" <oonaghme at bigpond.net.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: "'The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list'"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

http://webspace.webring.com/people/lo/oonaghsown/curves/muff_in_sixteenth_century_dress.htm

 

This has a bit of information on muffs.  Construct them flat with fabric of

choice on one side and fur on the other side.  They button up to make the

muff, but open out to lay across your lap to help keep your legs worm when

you are using your hands for other things .. like eating.

 

You'll be needing it in Canberra, we are freezing a the moment, and next

month wont be any better.   A great opportunity to wear all those things

usually too warm on any other occasion.  Snow would be great.

 

Deb

(Oonagh)

 

 

Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:35:19 +1000

From: Raymond Wickham <insidious565 at hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers "not a spam"

To: <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

There is a mention in Du Canges "Glossarium mediae et infimae latinitatis"

 

MVFFVLAF Gall Meuffles chiro thecae pdlitae et hibernae Capitul Aquisgran ann 817 et Capitul Ca roli M addit t cap 22 Wantos in aefl uc Muffulas in hieme veruecinas Et cap 79 Muffulae veruecinae Monachis dentur Mulfolas habet callan notione Adelardus in Stat ??? Corbeienf LI c 3 Musfulas Leges Henrici I cap 70 l?u vt quidam Codd praeferunt mufflat V Moffula

 

To a sheep skin cover for the hand issued in winter to the monks.

this would be open to personal interpretation

 

 

Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:55:02 +1000

From: "Deborah Lane" <oonaghme at bigpond.net.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] hand warmers

To: "'The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list'"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

<<< http://webspace.webring.com/people/lo/oonaghsown/curves/muff_in_sixteenth_century_dress.htm >>>

 

<<< For some reason the link you have provided is just going to some web

ring?........ Do you have another avenue to that link because i am really

interested in making them?

 

Genevieve >>>

 

Try this then

http://tiny.cc/o8t8x

 

Deb

http://webspace.webring.com/people/lo/oonaghsown/

 

<the end>



Formatting copyright © Mark S. Harris (THLord Stefan li Rous).
All other copyrights are property of the original article and message authors.

Comments to the Editor: stefan at florilegium.org