bags-baskets-msg
- 12/1/11
Items for carrying
things in. Period and SCA.
NOTE: See also the
files: p-backpacks-msg, basketweaving-msg, carts-msg, rope-msg,
bucket-yokes-msg.
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From: bronwynmgn at
aol.com (Bronwynmgn)
Newsgroups:
rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Basic
bag
Date: 23 Mar 1998
01:03:12 GMT
Anna Horvath
<emmabean at phnx.uswest.net> writes:
>I was trying to
think of something to carry extra wool to spin without
>adding *another*
thingie hanging from my belt
Personally, I find a
basket to be the best thing for carrying stuff around in.
And a great place for
hiding needed mundanities like medicine bottles or such.
I have a basket with
a lid and leather hinges and a handle on round brass
hinges (THe
Longaberger "small picnic basket" if you're familiar with
that
company). An open
basket with a handle with a piece of cloth to cover the wool
and/or other items
would work just as well. Mine doubles as a sewing basket;
there is always
something in it that I am working on. Preferring to sew by
hand always gives me
something "period" to do at an event!
Brangwayna Morgan
From: nerak at
aol.com (Nerak)
Newsgroups:
rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Basic
bag
Date: 24 Mar 1998
23:32:13 GMT
I have always carried
a "Day Basket" packed with what I would need until I
returned to my
encampment. As my years in the SCA have passed, the contents
have ranged from
diary, camera, diapers, drinks, ibuprofen, sunscreen, not to
forget my constantly
changing but always present, current portable craft
(Spinning, knitting,
embroidery.) Naturally the contents for watching the
fighting differ from
when I go to revel or court.
I find a smallish
basket with a good strong handle not one that is just
tacked onto the top,
the handle should rest in the crook of my elbow and my
hand on the forward
rim for additional support to be the best.
Nerak at aol.com
From: noramunro at
aol.com (Alianora Munro)
Newsgroups:
rec.org.sca
Date: 17 Dec 2000
02:44:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Baskets?
The 18th-c sutlers
tend to carry the pack baskets, in an assortment of sizes.
Try:
http://www.jastown.com/
or
http://www.smoke-fire.com/
standard disclaimers
and all that ...
Alianora Munro,
Bright Hills, Atlantia
From: nerak at
aol.com (Nerak)
Newsgroups:
rec.org.sca
Date: 17 Dec 2000
06:29:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Baskets?
<< The 18th-c
sutlers tend to carry the pack baskets, in an assortment of
sizes.
Try: >>
The merchant at
Pennsic is from "Mountain Trails Baskets" they are very
well
made slat type
baskets (apple basket) and are guaranteed for life---no small
print. One was being
fixed at Pennsic this year, seems that the owner thew the
basket full of SCA
gear off the balcony during an apartment fire. Bottom burst
when it hit the
ground.
These are
wonderful quality, individually numbered and signed by the
craftsman, but are
NOT cheap.
Nerak at aol.com
From: owly at
hem.utfors.se
Newsgroups:
rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Baskets?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec
2000 20:09:24 GMT
Organization: Utfors
AB
Panther Primitives
does, their home page is at
http://www.pantherprimitives.com/
but to see all their stuff you have
to order their
catalog I think.
Anna de Byxe
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000
13:08:57 GMT, Andrea Gideon <ahgideon at earthlink.net> wrote:
>MotleySong wrote:
>> I just spent
a good deal of time searching the web for anyone who might sell
>>
backpack-type wicker baskets. That is, large wicker baskets with
straps so
>> they can be
carried on one's back. I thought something like that might be a
>> nice and
period-appropriate way for me to transport supplies at events. Can
>> any of you
folks recommend a merchant?
>>
>> - Qutudei
>
>Try jastown.com
>They sell to the
Rev War reenactment crowd, but I have bought one from them.
>
>Giovanna
From: Heather Rose
Jones <hrjones at socrates.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups:
rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Baskets?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec
2000 12:59:42 -0800
Organization:
University of California at Berkeley
MotleySong wrote:
> I just spent a
good deal of time searching the web for anyone who might sell
> backpack-type
wicker baskets. That is, large wicker baskets with straps so
> they can be
carried on one's back. I thought something like that might be a
> nice and
period-appropriate way for me to transport supplies at events. Can
> any of you folks
recommend a merchant?
I can't recommend a
specific merchant, but such things do exist, and
turn up on occasion
in stores that specialize in baskets and whatnot.
In addition to wicker
baskets of this type (which usually turn out these
days to be rattan
rather than willow, but you take what you can get)
I've seen ones done
from oak splits as well.
In medieval
illustrations of construction sites or harvests, you can
often see "backpack
baskets" of this type being used for transport.
Tangwystyl
*********
Heather Rose Jones
hrjones at
socrates.berkeley.edu
*********
From: rocious at
my-deja.com
Newsgroups:
rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Baskets?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec
2000 01:52:21 GMT
motleysong at aol.com
(MotleySong) wrote:
> I just spent a
good deal of time searching the web for anyone who might sell
> backpack-type
wicker baskets. That is, large wicker baskets with straps so
> they can be
carried on one's back. I thought something like that might be a
> nice and
period-appropriate way for me to transport supplies at events. Can
> any of you folks
recommend a merchant?
Not wicker, but
splits, from LLBean, Freeport, Maine. Very nice.
Date: Thu, 15 Feb
2001 06:45:03 -0500
From: Philip &
Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>
Subject: Re: SC -
Haversacks and nefts (??)
Jessica Tiffin wrote:
> "haversack"
as a bag used to carry feast gear to feasts. (The OED
> references it as
a bag used by soldiers to carry their lunch, 18th
> century).
Ummm, for what it's
worth, and I'm also working from memory, "haver" is
an Anglo-Saxon term
meaning "oat"; I'll have to look through the back
issues or see if
there's an index someplace, but there's an article in
some issue of PPC
about Northern English oatcakes; I _believe_ it
mentions a reference
to havercakes (more of a bannock than a sgian or
scone; in other
words, thicker and possibly leavened) in Langland's
"Piers the
Plowman". Somewhere I also have a text file version of Piers
Plowman; it is
presumably searchable.
Anyway, if this is
correct, it might conceivably mean words like
havercake, haversack,
and haverstraw have some period relevance. I would
assume that a
haversack might have other uses when the oats have been
used up, rather like
the things we can do with potato or flour sacks
after the potatoes or
flour are gone.
It may also be that
the compilers of the OED simply didn't search
through all the right
manuscripts and books in determining the earliest
known usage in this
case -- not unprecedented.
Adamantius
Date: Thu, 15 Feb
2001 07:17:32 -0600
From: "Decker,
Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
Subject: RE: SC -
Haversacks and nefts (??)
Haversack
is derived from the German Habersack, which literally means oat
bag.
Linguistic derivation is from Middle High German, habere, Old High
German,
habaro for oats and sac, bag in both Middle and Old High German from
the
Latin saccus.
I
suspect OED is looking at the entry of the term into English from the
Austrian
and German troops serving with the British Army during the
Revolutionary
and Napoleonic Wars.
Bear
Date: Thu, 15 Feb
2001 07:03:55 -0800
From: Anne-Marie
Rousseau <acrouss at gte.net>
Subject: Re: SC -
Haversacks and nefts (??)
Hey from ANne-Marie
for what its worth, I
know the term "haversack" is used in the non-SCA
re-enactment
community as the term for an over the shoulder bag used to
carry food, etc. AKA
"wallet" (see Alexander Neckhams 12th century
writings) or
"pilgrams bag". You see TONS of medieval illos showing
pilgrims with these
handy bags, often sporting a nice coquille st jacques
:) (showing that
they've been or going to Compostella)
--AM
To:
Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: travelling ala medieval
Posted
by: "Pete McKee" p_mckee3 at yahoo.com arrahateck
Date:
Fri Sep 5, 2008 9:53 pm (PDT)
---
In Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com, "balanttina"
<balanttina at ...>
wrote:
>
next year I am planning to walk an extended Camino (from Torino to
>
Santiago de Compostella, that's about 2200km).
snip
>
I put
>
together things I think I will need but would be grateful for any
>
comments you might have considering the equipment or if you have
done
>
some walking in period garb and have more first-hand experience.
snip
>
carrying gear:
>
- a wicker back-basket (I don't know an English name for it) or a
>
wicker trunk (both are here and I can't decide; are there
back-baskets
>
with covers also?:
http://www.enluminures.culture.fr/documentation/enlumine/fr/rechexpert
e_00.htm)
>
- a linen shoulder bag
>
- a linen scrip to carry around the waist that will also act as a
>
protector from the back-basket, I hope
snip
>
thanks for the answers, guys! I can't wait to start walking! :)
>
>
celestina
I've
been away for a while, but here's my next contribution.
This
type of pack basket is readily available from merchants in the
U.S.
They have been criticised as not being documentable until the
late
19th or early 20th century. The fault seems to be in the split
wood
material rather than the style. My own research on baskets only
reaches
back to the late 16th century. What I've seen there is
willow
or root baskets rather than the split wood style. However,
over
here, these are more readily available than the willow baskets.
http://coht.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=18&;pos=8
From
your list, it appears you have already located a basket.
Perhaps
the carrying strap arrangement in the photo will be helpful.
You
asked about a cover for the basket. In this photo, the young
lady
on the left is carrying one of these baskets with a commercially
made
top cover. It should be a simple thing to sew one to fit your
own
basket.
http://coht.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=55&;pos=3
Protecting
the things in the basket from the rain is mostly in the
method
of packing. Your idea of making canvas bags for separate
items
works well. In a downpour, you can expect the things on the
top
and outside layers will get more or less wet. You can also make
a
canvas liner for your basket to serve as the outermost layer. Pack
the
things you can least afford to get wet deep in the middle of your
other
things. I don't use a pack basket, but, I usually have a pair
of
stockings and a shirt packed deep inside my bedroll. If I'm
drenched,
I at least have a chance to put something dry next to my
skin
while the other stuff is drying out. You may want to put your
bedding
in the middle and surround it with the more "expendable"
items.
Hope
this helps some. Do keep us updated on your progress. Your
Camino
is the first I've heard of anyone attempting an historical
journey
in a medieval setting. I am fascinated, and a bit jealous :).
Pete
McKee
To:
Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: travelling ala medieval
Posted
by: "balanttina" balanttina at yahoo.co.uk
Mon
Sep 8, 2008 6:20 am (PDT)
Here
we have no problem getting a wicker basket, they are very common
(and
period, but there might even be some of the split-wood variety
present,
I can send some pictures, if you wish). I also know of a
self-thought
man who makes making baskets a hobby and is actually very
good
at it. I plan to go to him when the time for harvesting the
willow
is right. He says in November. But until then I have to figure
out
what I want and how I want it. And how big. How big baskets are
usully
used?
There
are two basic styles, one with narrower bottom and one with the
bottom
of the same width as the top. The latter, I think, might be
better
for the journey.
How
good is wicker at rain protection? If the rain goes through, does
it
go through all the way, ie leaves the basket through the holes in
the
bottom, or does it stay in the basket? I thought perhaps to make
an
inside 'cover' for the basket. You know, so that from the outside
it
will still look wicker alltogether.
The
upper straps seem to be at the top rim of the basket, though that
again
is not always the case. It depends a lot on the hight. I think I
might
have them a little lower because I am not very tall. I am
planning
to visit our etnography museum and see if I can get a closer
look
a some baskets there. The straps seem to be made of either wicker
or
leather. Unfortunately in the pictures it's almost impossible to
tell
how they are attached to the basket. The majority suggest that
there
are simply four horizontal holes in the back of the basket
through
wich leather straps go (perhaps there is only one strap for
one
shoulder, forming a circle?), anoher suggests that at the bottom
the
straps go round the little wickers protruding from the bottom of
the
basket, yet another might even be something like in the photo you
sent,
with the strap round the top of the rim, and wicker straps seem
to
be made at the same time as the basket itself, somehow built into it.
>
Hope this helps some. Do keep us updated on your progress. Your
>
Camino is the first I've heard of anyone attempting an historical
>
journey in a medieval setting. I am fascinated, and a bit jealous :).
:o)
I have read of a Scandinavian group doing medieval trips but have
lost
the address of their site.
take
care, celestina
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